Hatred of socialism is the product of oligarch brainwashing. More than anything, the oligarchs fear the people rising up and taking back their ill gotten wealth and making them face justice for their crimes.

People that rightly despise Blackrock, Big Pharma, Big Tech, the MIC, etc. but would stop short of nationalizing their assets because "tHaT's CoMmUnIsM! better dead than red!" have no solution.

The "horrors" of communism are as exaggerated as the Holocaust. The 100 million victims are as bullshit as the 6 million.

The failures are likewise heavily engineered.

Britain burned their empire to the ground to stop Socialist Germany.

US has mired itself in perpetual conflict to suppress socialist uprisings around the globe, and they're going to do what Britain did to try to stop China.

Oligarchs despise the people and have no compunction with burning the entire world down, as long as they can rule the ashes.

>>512600434 (OP)
It's half the solution, we need a hybrid economic system. Capitalism maximizes freedom, which human nature corrupts, Socialism tends to destroy freedom over time. The solution is a hybrid of the two where both compete through innovative disruption.

>>512600434 (OP)
National Socialism is the solution not your commie faggots. That entire ideology is a plague and stain upon mankind. It will never be forgiven.

>>512600576
>we need a hybrid economic system
That’s National Socialism

>>512600434 (OP)
Corporate socialism is the endgame of the elites.

National Socialism.

>>512600775
Nationalism is a given. I don't know really know what to call what I have in mind, but it's not socialism alone, it's a mixed system that leverages the best of both, but designed to run as a check & balance on each other as well. National Check and Balance doesn't really flow off the tongue though. It needs a name.

>>512600667
>>512600775
National socialism is a rebranding of corporate socialism, you're forced to pay taxes and they go towards state owned corporations, the "profit" these state corporations recieve is then shared between state appointed corporate officials and the government.

>>512600576
>hybrid economic system.
Distributism

>>512600576
What level of socialism do you think achieves an equilibrium?

Look where things are going with robotic manufacturing and AI. Without a communistic/socialist ethos, people will eventually have nothing to contribute to the economy besides consumption, and be relegated to burdens of society.

Small businesses should still be private enterprises, the government doesn't need to run restaurants and stores, but with the way things are trending, major corporations that control the means of production (which will involve ever decreasing amounts of human labor) shouldn't exist solely for the profit of oligarchs.

>>512600434 (OP)
every single thing you call that is fault of capitalism is actually communism in works. The billionaires who get government grants are part of socialist redistribution of wealth. High taxes are part of communistic redistribution of wealth, you having less and less rights its part of communistic systems. You are just too brainwashed by commies to see the facts - that they sell you the rope they will hang you on and billionaires you hate are already part of their commie system and no commie revolution will take them down. If anything you useful idiots will be the first to be killed (it is even in Marx commie manifesto - where he writes that old commie revolutionists will not be fit to live in commie utopia)

>>512600988
Not even close.

Cool memeflag bro.

>>512600667
>>512600988
Could you describe how Italian Fascism, German National Socialism, Communism under Stalin (who defeated the International Communist Trotsky faction and had a more inwardly focused, nationalistic type of socialism), and Communist China (which very nationalist and socialist) differ from each other?

>>512600434 (OP)
>Hatred of socialism is the product of oligarch brainwashing
Socialism is the product of the brainwashing, dipshit. NatSoc might be the best version, but socialism is a natural extension of the kike strategy to extract from the entire population.
Just like democracy allows to put an entire country into debt, socialism creates institutions that are funded by all taxpayers to be fleeced by an elite.
On top of that, it's entirely anti-eugenic, as the very extractors make the most profit out of keeping the unfit alive. It's you paying for every diabetics insulin, operations and end-of-life care not because anyone loves the guy so much, but because you were stupid enough to create a giant pool of money a few can tap into forever under the guise of "helping people".

>>512600434 (OP)
My rush limbaugh tier dad has been shortcircuiting

Its only a matter of time

>>512601354
Well China makes it easy not to be homeless. Our countries do the opposite.

Stalin was interesting. Hitler should have utilized his massive support in the East instead of warring. Battle of minds perfect opportunity lost.

German Nationalism is one of the last pure elements of Europeanism, Hitler aside. They are progenitors of many of us only opposed by the Scythians before them.

>>512601411
Or just dont let barbarians try socialism

>imprison and kill everyone thats a problem

Weve moved past this, yes?

>>512601116
Negative. Socialism would be limited to health care and maybe some basic welfare in terms of direct aid. The goal of the socialism for what I have in mind is to leverage the government to fund disruptive innovation against the free market, but only in terms of seeding it, more like experimental methodology.

Anyway, I have a model in mind, I just haven't put any time into trying to come up with terminology. I mean the fact that there is no name for this idea is already proof of it's novelty. It's what I believe would be a transition state to a more advanced civilization.

The real redpill is anarcho-primitivism

But humans are still in the "rats on a sinking ship" phase of morality so we aren't there yet

>>512601239
Communist China executes corrupt politicians and bankers, something that NEVER happens in capitalism. Billionaires like Jack Ma get put in their place when they try to use their wealth to subvert the state. China has way lower taxes than the west, and no property tax.

Open your eyes to a broader view. I know Poland didn't have a good time, but that's not indicative of the ideology. You were caught in the middle of a geopolitical struggle between great powers, it's never sweet being in the buffer zone.

>>512601201
All businesses would be private. There would be no government owned businesses under it. The government's role is to simple SEED the competition. Capitalist systems won't fund their own disruption, so the primary purpose of government is to then seed the disruption of the private companies. I even have models built out for how to achieve this I did years ago. At some point though I just gave up bothering because there's no feasible way to implement any of it until every collapses.

>>512601240
Argue against what i said or be quiet, an infographic isn't an argument

>>512601693
sorry, typos. It's late, or early, as the case may be.

>>512600434 (OP)
Solution to what? The hard problem of life, food and prosperity?

>>512601707
Eat a bullet subhuman.

>>512600434 (OP)
>People that rightly despise Blackrock, Big Pharma, Big Tech, the MIC, etc. but would stop short of nationalizing their assets because "tHaT's CoMmUnIsM! better dead than red!" have no solution.
End the Fed. No more infinite free money for them.

>>512600434 (OP)
>Original
>Russian Copy
>Chinese knock-off of Russian copy.

>>512601354
That's a long question, i would group fascism, national socialism and socialism with chinese characteristics all under the umbrella of fascism, which is itself socialism, specifically corporate socialism, which works as i described. You could call Stalin's socialism simply state socialism, as everything was controlled directly by the state, state departments etc.
It is interesting to note that even in the USSR there were defacto corporations, that were only called government departments.
Socialism always tends to work in the same way, i would argue that all socialism is corporate socialism, the only difference between the different socialists is their justifications for the same system, all of their systems operate like corporate socialism, with taxes and central banking being critical to their operation.

>>512601783
You lost the argument by default, you have no mind, enjoy slavery.

How many genocides will it take to make it successful this time?

>>512601693
>All businesses would be private. There would be no government owned businesses under it.
So Blackrock gets to keep buying up property to be the nations landlord.
Big Tech remains private and control of information is still in the hands of oligarchs.
Manufacturers replace all the workers with industrial robots and control all the profits.

You think that concentration of wealth doesn't inevitably lead to undue power and influence?

What about infrastructure and basic utilities like energy? Should electricity companies be privately owned and charge as much for energy as the market can bear? No. Those should be state owned and strive to make those essentials as abundant and cheap as possible, to cause as little drain on the lives of people as possible.

>>512601811
End the fed, but let them keep what they already have?

>>512602053
Most of what they have is imaginary.

>>512602023
Easy enough to deal with BlackRock. Just tax every non-homestead property up the ass on property taxes that can't be passed on to the renter. I'd also eliminate the stock market entirely, and decouple all retirements from the stocks.

>>512602023
And no, utilities would remain as part of local governments.

>>512601522
>Weve moved past this, yes?
We've moved deeper into a jewish system that extracts the wealth every citizen creates, giving them debt per capita for either overprotective or outright anti-social legisation and bail-outs for "systemically important" institutions.
What we didn't do is more to a more wholesome view on the value of human life. Or do you think burdening children with life-long student debt or bankrupting people with medical bill reflects a renewed appreciation of you and your kin?
It's just a pretense to justify spending money on care that leads nowhere. Same shit with our currently collapsing pension systems in Europe: If you entitle people by false promises (the old kike strategy), you create an entire ecosystem around fulfilling that promise and it's those people that then hold the population accountable for the money they need to run their grift.
Nothing about this expressed a more sophisticated view on human life. How could it when your lifetime pays for it?

>>512601988
110

>>512602298
Pretty simple mr write a lot of words

>barbarians
People are most free when they can capitalize on wealth

>literally anybody else
People are more free when violence is not looming over them

Its about the background rules

>>512601966
It is indeed a long question, one which should be thought about here more. I admit my thinking on the matter isn't fully resolved.

I see German NS and the current NS-ish state of Chinese Communism to be most similar, as they're the only ones with a distinct racial identity, though China keeps their racialism on the down low and doesn't sperg out like Hitler unfortunately did. Also China still aspires to achieve a more ideal communist state.

I wonder how Hitler would have adapted the economic policies of the Reich to the modern age had he swallowed his pride about Danzig like China has with Taiwan, and peacefully developed Germany into a great nation.

Stalin's USSR couldn't adopt such a racial view, because they inherited a multi ethnic empire from the Russian Empire, but they were very socialist.

Italian fascism is the outlier imo, as it's national syndicalism based on trade unions, with no racial component, and not nearly as socialist.

>>512602475
Let's talk when you managed to move into the 21th century, Hobbes.

>>512600434 (OP)
why not just mix communism with nazism(i.e. same thing as communism but with only white people)? would solve both economic problems(solvable with communism/socialism) and societal problems(solvable with nazism).

>>512602582
Sir I am trying to go to 10,000 b.c. actually

Uncle Ted was right

>>512602582
See
>>512601652

>>512602619
What you need to realize is that after we established the rule of the betas and vested the leviathan with the monopoly on violence so as to not be ruled by alphas, we inadvertently opened the doors for a new kind of predation: rulebreakers who pretend to be innocent, compliant betas like us (oy vey, we're the victims here, goy).

https://odysee.com/@WehrwolfMedia:7/WE-WILL-RISE:e

>>512602923
https://odysee.com/@%E2%9C%A0WehrwolfMedia%E2%9C%A0:7/WE-WILL-RISE:e

>>512601652
>The real redpill is anarcho-primitivism
That works until people learn how to collectivize, invent a sharp stick or figure out that they can kill you while you sleep.
One thing even the kikes figured out very early is that greed and jealousy are human universals. It's why, for centuries, they also never flaunted their wealth.

>>512602908
Game theory is for cowards

>>512603048
You assume human development is static

We will evolve our way back to the liberation of animals, but it will come from spiritual enlightenment, representing a full circle. To be free, to suffer, to be free again.

>>512603103
If people weren't generally predisposed to being cowards, we'd never established a non-violent society.
>People are more free when violence is not looming over them
Remember?

>>512603203
Yes.

>>512600434 (OP)
>Socialism is the solution
>Hatred of socialism is the product of oligarch brainwashing.
Whoa, cool it with the antisemitism, this board loves jews

>>512603203
>monkey mind
Yes.

>People are more free when violence is not looming over them
This is a statement about development, namely development over barbarians. It is directly implying this isnt universal, while here you are trying to say the opposite.

The monkey is in the process of losing his freedom from nature and will soon seek spirituality, like humans

>>512603153
>You assume human development is static
No, why would you think that?
There simply are some universals we don't seem to be able (or even willing) to overcome. Rather, since Bernays, our entire media-driven marketmaking is all about harnessing desires to fuel consumption. Meaning our economies sure want us to remain static and predictable - but that doesn't say anything about whether I believe we have to be or not.

>>512600434 (OP)
Socialism, aka gaberment control of the economy, aka Keynesianism, is literally what destroyed the western civilization. (and the faggot was no Jew btw you mongoloids)

>>512603406
The problems of the monkey mind are not universals

Humans let a genie out of a bottle, and we just have to put it back

We must cool the boiling blood

>>512602117
>property taxes that can't be passed on to the renter
How do you do that? If they have a monopoly on property, the tax burden will be passed down to the renter? If you enforce rent control, the balance will be made up with neglecting maintenance to save money, like how it's already done in rent controlled areas of the US.

What do you think of China's model? Where all the land is officially owned by the nation, and you "buy" it with a 70 year lease, which is typically renewed automatically with no additional payments or property tax. You own the structures built on the property, and if the land needs to be repurposed you get fully compensated in that regard.

No one is losing their family home because of inheritance tax or ever inflating property tax bills. Monopolies can be broken up. Real estate bubbles can be allowed to collapse without government bail outs or mass migration to prop up prices like in the west.

>>512603486
>We must cool the boiling blood
Humans didnt boil the blood. Kikes did.

>>512600434 (OP)
Yeah, well, about that:

>>512603352
>It is directly implying this isnt universal
That's harping on a technicality to critique the rule without any real substance to it. Ghengis Khan might be the outlier you think of, but all of his men must've followed an in-group non-violence pact to make his conquest get off the ground in the first place - they'd just kill each other for the leadership role and the promise of the best spoils otherwise. Cowards, in your terms, afraid of challenging the Great Khan, surely - but even they ultimately rather took the scraps than "man up" for the top spot.
So, how is this disposition to enter non-aggression agreements not pretty much universal, even if there are notable exceptions?

>>512600576
That is called social democracy.

>>512600775
Exactly which socialist policies was enacted by natsoc?

>>512603631
The fact of the matter is "spirits" might as well be real, because of the way human behavior ebbs and flows with perceived positivity and negativity. Like a flock a birds in the sky.

The process is this
>animal
>spooky ghost world of anger
>spiritual enlightenment
>back to animal because the ghosts went away

"we didnt start the fire" -billy joel

>>512603791
Nope, this shit actually changes a lot more than that. Even today there are cultures that have massively different perceptions of self-harm, on an individual level. In greenland there is an account of a boy jumping off a cliff, simply because he lost a game and that was the consequence, he was the one that made the rules. The guy he was playing the game with was inuit, and was totally shocked. None of the nordics were bothered.

>>512603839
We are evolving from feelings to actions now mein freund.

https://youtu.be/U4GykEEmo5c

>>512600434 (OP)
>imagine being this stupid
I never thought people believed the socialist writings about the proletariat eventually taking over. It's the most comedic writing I've ever read and people actually believe such? Like how stupid do you have to be? It truly is a testament to the fact that people really don't think for themselves especially when interpreted in a group format.

>>512603791
were still trying to convince some tribes to stop being cannibals by the way

>>512603791
I think the thought process issue you may be encountering here is

process =/= universalities

things are processes, anon

>>512602604
Weird coming from a Brazilian, seeing as it's highly unlikely you'd pass the DNA test. If there was a race war in Brazil, you'd probably all kill each other down to the last man.

You can't just look at it as German National Socialism for the volk vs Bolshevik International Socialism for the workers of the world. China in its present state is de facto national socialist, but they lack the distinct ideologies of Nazism like racial supremacy and waging aggressive wars of conquest for lebensraum.

There needs to be a mutually respectful ideology, where different people can cooperate and live harmoniously in their respective nations.

>>512603791
>Ghengis Khan might be the outlier you think of, but all of his men must've followed an in-group non-violence pact to make his conquest get off the ground in the first place - they'd just kill each other for the leadership role and the promise of the best spoils otherwise
That's basically what happened after Ghengis Khan died. The empire immediately fractured into all the successor states of the various hordes his children inherited, because the whole thing was held together by his strong rule and cult of personality. It fell apart nearly as fast as it came together, like the Diadochi states after Alexander the Great died.

>>512604328
based history knower

>>512600434 (OP)
Nationalism is the solution. Anything else is chutzpah.

>>512604388

>>512600434 (OP)
You sound like a glownigger

>>512600434 (OP)
It’s funny to me how you people try and seperate the rich from the rest of the populous and act as if they are some seperate evil entity. Grow the fuck up and stop thinking with your emotions.

>>512603925
>>512603996
>>512604053
Seems to me like you're just freely associating at this point.
A kid making a contract with himself based on the outcome of a game of luck, maybe alluding to a belief that bad luck ought to be understood as predictive for his entire life. Cannibals attributing some spiritual affordance to the flesh of the dead and, finally, the reduction that "things" are processes, maybe an allusion to the Greek "panta rei" - which, sure they are, but a river still remains geographically predictable no matter how dynamic the flow of water is.

>>512600434 (OP)
Socialism naturally implies unity of the people, and group awareness, regardless of any bad actors who might initially be in power, it will always tend towards the same end.

>>512602538
>I see German NS and the current NS-ish state of Chinese Communism to be most similar
Yes I agree, i don't think China really wants to be communist, China is a unique country, it's hard to even understand their language, but their model is very clear, Rockefeller funded them and was publicly a huge fan of China, if you want to know what the Chinese really believe, look at what all the wests billionaires say about them.
>I wonder how Hitler would have adapted the economic policies of the Reich to the modern age had he swallowed his pride about Danzig like China has with Taiwan, and peacefully developed Germany into a great nation.
The problem is jingoism was always kind of baked into national socialist ideology, and for national socialism to be pragmatically pro peace would destroy it. Which I think Mussolini greatly regretted, after all Franco didn't involve himself in the war and survived for longer.
>Stalin's USSR couldn't adopt such a racial view
I think Russia has always had that since they became a multi-racial empire.
>Italian fascism is the outlier imo, as it's national syndicalism based on trade unions, with no racial component, and not nearly as socialist.
Yes I think so, I think it had the most promise in terms of distinguishing itself as an ideology, but the socialist aspect of it ended up overwhelming the various ideologies that spawned from it.

Maybe it's lazy thinking on my part but i think all of these ideologies are tied together with corporate socialism, with just varying levels of statism (taxes etc) and different justifications, in the USSR total government was the highest ideal, but in Italy the obedience of individuals towards the state society was the highest ideal, but they are all bound together by the wish for a strong government.

>>512604573
No, you're just plainly wrong about human nature being one specific unchanging thing.

Monkeys are currently achieving the curse of human nature.

We humans, over the last few thousand years have been in a process of leaving human nature.

You just don't grasp, due to Austrian stupidity, that this is a moving thing.

>>512604573
It is in man's future return to nature that we find our balance with the resources of the planet. Man no longer existing as a human but as a force of nature. For behavior to no longer account for the notion of scarcity. The denial of death evaporating away. Living to live, action unrestricted. Life passes into death without resistance. The achievement of the natural balance via spiritual advancement rather than the base animal instinct represents a completion of the system. To be free, to suffer, and to be free again.

>be afraid of death
>scarcity now exists in your mind
>be a dick

This came and it will go, as humans gain the Aurelian capacity to comprehend why it doesn't fucking matter.

>>512603580
If you don't own your land you don't own your house either, it's not like you can just lift up your house and move it if the government decides you don't own the land anymore.

>>512604847
protip: you only own what you can personally defend

the government owns your land, they allow you to stay on it, this is because ultimately, if they want it, they can take it and you cant do SHIT

>>512604888
>protip: you only own what you can personally defend
Practically, of course, morally, no.
The only way you can get around this is denying morality altogether.

>>512604646
>in a process of leaving human nature.
You can look at niggers to see what the inability (or refusal, if that's your solution) to defy nature looks like. Is living with starvation, predated by wild animals, crippled by disease, etc. really the way to go?
There is no truth to the Rousseauian delusion that nature is a benevolent cradle that we defy at our own peril.
What you seem to be doing is to reduce both the power we get from our technological prosthetics and the McLuhan-y imperatives they impose on us in return to a simple "return to monkee"-answer. It's way more complicated than that.

>>512600434 (OP)
Has always been. And the left is not socialism but Atlantic meme ideology, only borrowed the name to grift it out like the "third way" buzzword, typical tricky western behavior.

>>512605018
Anon use your brain for 5 seconds

Property is an illusion

It is always owned by whoever is strongest, and that guy simply permits others to have things

the laws of nature exist regardless of whatever is written on paper

>>512605053
You seen to wholly lack the understanding of the perceptual capacity of scarcity. Niggers are simply the largest victims. This is a matter of mental capacity, which is why it is transient in nature. It is not a rule. It is a process. It came. It will go. We will continue to wrap our brains around the world until scarcity no longer bothers us like it does niggers. We will achieve that primordial peace again.

This is temporary. Jackass.

>>512605079
You are making a descriptive statement not a prescriptive one, learn the difference.

>>512604728
>To be free, to suffer, and to be free again.
This cycle immediately ceases to exist if you subjugate your existance to reason. Freedom, then, is simply the permission to ignore necessity, which will lead to suffering just as giving in to reason and doing what's right rather than what's pleasant will.

>>512604388
Thank you and checked.

Education, knowledge, and wisdom are what people should strive for, not material possessions.

I dream of a future where machines do all the menial labor, and humans are unburdened so we can pursue learning, creativity, and happiness. I don't want us to be slaves to the machines and the few people that own them, which is inevitable under capitalism.

One of the problems with the west is that the smart people go into finance and bright minds are wasted on financial schemes.

You know Deepseek AI? That was a side project started by quant traders after China tightened up finance regulations. Imagine if all the bright minds working for Wallstreet were pursuing science, engineering or philosophy.

>Peaceful mind want of nothing, too primitive to want
>Chaotic mind want of everything, brain advanced enough to count, not advanced enough to see big picture
>Developing mind, want of peace, can see big picture, realizes chaotic mind was a bad time
>Developed mind, peace achieved, big picture understood, because this is Earth, behaviorally this is shown as return to monkey

It's really obvious unless you're still a nigger

>>512605245
If you had any reading capacity you would realize I'm speaking words that directly agree with your chosen flag

But I assumed you would take my tone without registering the words

I was right and it was funny

>>512605293
hey look this anon is further up the chain than you >>512605257

see
>>512605372

>>512605172
>We will continue to wrap our brains around the world until scarcity no longer bothers us like it does niggers.
How would that work?
Would we not still covet the prettiest girl, or are you suggesting communism via breeding pods that equalizes social capital like beauty?
Would we not still desire the top spots in any hierarchy, or are you again proposing communism where "all animals are equal"?
Scarcity, like you rightfully said, is subject to human perception and thus only overcome if you revamp the entire world to be equal tikkun-olam style, or you reeducate people against their nature. Obviously, neither is desirable.

>>512605532
The fact that you view these things are impossible is utterly fucking hilarious

That's a you problem, bud

>>512605532
Is your entire life the last 5 minutes of your memory or something? lmao this is so fuckin funny

Just proclaim louder "I'm more of a nigger than you" because that's all I hear lmao

>>512605532
Not universals
Not constants
Not forever

Sorry bud but you know very little about humans, history, what is possible, what has occurred, or anything else really.

>>512604564
I don't think the rich are inherently evil. They simply act in their own best interest, which is perfectly human, but that inevitably leads to evil behavior when left unchecked.

Excellence is a virtue and needs to be rewarded, but the excessive concentration of wealth leads to nepobabies with no personal virtues or accomplishments to have undue power and influence.

You can have wealthy people, whose fortune can ensure their great great great grandchildren will be comfortable, but that shouldn't grant them or their descendants the power to dictate how things are run to their continued benefit and everyone else's detriment.

>>512600434 (OP)

Why

do

you

type

like

this?

>>512605532
"I can't break free of the monkey mind"
"I'm a nigger"
"That makes everyone a nigger"

thank you for the this on this fine morning

>>512605431
>People are more free when violence is not looming over them
Shaming tactics.
Got to be a classic of communism:
>If you don't believe we're equal, we'll make sure you're treated worse than everyone else.
>How can you treat me worse if we're equal?
>Stop asking questions, fascist.

>>512601654
>I know Poland didn't have a good time, but that's not indicative of the ideology.
That didn't take long.

>>512605916
Violence is the direct result of scarcity awareness

Scarcity awareness is a capacitance of the mind

It is the monkey mind as the asians call it

It is for niggers

Before it, scarcity awareness is not there, after it scarcity awareness is overcome

Stop insisting on being a nigger

>>512605570
>>512605632
>>512605716
Hysterical histrionics.
If the "meds now"-meme was made for any real person in mind, it was for people like you.

>>512606190
You are my entertainment for the morning

Autistic little austrian that isnt capable of abstract reasoning

>>512604629
>if you want to know what the Chinese really believe, look at what all the wests billionaires say about them.
That's a mixed bag. China's a complicated civilization with a history that goes back to before the founding of Rome. Some might understand the current politics, maybe a few understand the history, but I doubt any appreciate the psyche, as no American has ever experienced the hardship Chinese suffered through.

>The problem is jingoism was always kind of baked into national socialist ideology, and for national socialism to be pragmatically pro peace would destroy it.
I agree. Aside from being baked into the ideology, the economics of rearming the Reich made it a necessity. The debts from the MEFO bills could only be serviced by conquest: seizing resources and exporting inflation to the currencies of conquered countries.
Franco played his cards well by not getting involved.

>I think [Italy] had the most promise in terms of distinguishing itself as an ideology
I dunno. I'm least informed about Italian Fascism, but I see them as being less ideologically and economically coherent than the others. I'm not sure I fully understand what Mussolini's end game was though.

>>512605404
>thinking entirely in terms of agreement or disagreement

>>512606255
>Got to make sure he knows I'm better than him.
Pitiful.

>>512606870
>just simply couldn't understand my words
sad
All civil laws and outcomes and predicated on force capacity, you just never followed the chain far enough. You don't own things, you're allowed to have things. Unless you personally can defend that thing, it isn't yours.
>>512606904
You've entirely given up. You know it's true. You know you autistically focused on what seems to be a rule but in reality it's not a fixed position at all whatsoever and in fact anybody with any sense acknowledges the monkey mind as something to move away from. The christians call it sin. Everyone has always acknowledged a prior state, the current state, and the state we are meant to become. Stop shilling for a state that many people have individually overcome thousands of years ago. You pathetic jackass.

>>512607151
I perfectly understood you and clarified your position which annoyed you because it undermined your preconceived biases.
As i said you are making correct descriptions and choosing to make no prescriptions.

>>512607357
Confirmed cannot read

>>512604629
>Maybe it's lazy thinking on my part but i think all of these ideologies are tied together with corporate socialism, with just varying levels of statism (taxes etc) and different justifications, in the USSR total government was the highest ideal, but in Italy the obedience of individuals towards the state society was the highest ideal, but they are all bound together by the wish for a strong government.

They all had expressions of corporate socialism, but I'm not sure the ideal end state is the same for all of them.

Germany and Italy didn't fully nationalize the major industries, but made sure they were run by loyal oligarchs like Goering.

People say China is state capitalism, but most of the major corporations are straight up owned by the state, and they're adamant that they're still on the path to achieving true communism.

USSR went downhill after Stalin. Mao had good successors in Deng and Xi that took things to the next level, whereas the leaders that followed Stalin weren't fit to polish his boots.

>>512607395
Not an argument.

>>512600434 (OP)
this
they teach you how bad hitler was
but they never teach you about breaking interest slavery

>>512607612
t. lives in a glass house

>>512604847
We don't own our land in the west. We pretend to, but we just rent it from the government and pretend property tax isn't rent, the same way Trump worshipers pretend tariffs aren't tax.

Fail to pay your property tax and you'll be evicted off the land you "own" the same way a landlord will evict you for not paying rent.

>it's not like you can just lift up your house and move it if the government decides you don't own the land anymore.
They offer fair compensation to relocate. Even when people refuse, China is way less heavy handed with "eminent domain" than the west. They routinely divert major infrastructure projects, building detours around single houses and eating the cost of renovating it later, just to avoid treading on the rights of one stubborn old man.

I don't think you get that much consideration even in the Land of the Free™

>>512607544
To further clarify, i'd say they are all varying degrees of corporate socialism, still with a large amount of it at minimum. Semi nationalization is still a huge control on the economy.
>People say China is state capitalism, but most of the major corporations are straight up owned by the state
To me china is the most fully realized corporate socialism ever achieved, they made it work with technology, which is horrifying to me, there is a whole rabbit hole on technocracy i don't full understand.
>and they're adamant that they're still on the path to achieving true communism.
Lol, i think that's a chinese saving face thing, because even in china everyone pretty much knows that blind communism with 100% state control was a disaster, but no one wants to admit it because it would delegitimize the CCP who rules the country.

>>512607643
Not an argument either lol.

>>512608025
Whatcha mad about jewnig?

That violence is the backdrop for anything you call society?

>>512608001
To be fair the subhuman slavic barbarians did pretty decent when they tried it for having absolutely massive amounts of western treachery to cope with

>>512607944
>We don't own our land in the west. We pretend to, but we just rent it from the government and pretend property tax isn't rent, the same way Trump worshipers pretend tariffs aren't tax.
Yep, but at least we had a semi private property society, private property was respected culturally and that forced the system to at least pretend to care about it and back off a little.

I don't even know if china has a concept of private property, everything is "the peoples" property, if a billionaire has a quarrel with the government, he is executed and all his property is expropriated.
There are no rights in china at all, not even the idea of them, much less any kind of private property rights.

>>512607944
>We don't own our land in the west.
>we
Get a fucking job and buy some land, Ranjesh.
>Fail to pay your property tax and you'll be evicted off the land
How many times has that happened to you or someone you know?

>>512608378
In the southwest one man can own the river

It is a white virtue that no one man can own the damn river

Imagine that guy gets to heaven, god looks at this rancher, laughing his ass off, "hey gabriel, look! The guy that thinks he owns the river!"

>>512608498
How many people should be allowed to own a river?

>>512608621
In white people's culture nobody owns the river and the idea is laughable

most states, except for the southwest have water rights that reflect these virtues

but the southwest was founded by medieval spanish slavers and so a different, non-white morality is going on there

you gotta learn what the fuck you come from

>>512608001
China currently is the best example of state capitalism. They absolutely retooled going from Mao to Deng, and ditched rigid communist ideological adherence out of necessity.

It's hard to understand what's going on. Technology is changing so fast, and they're constantly adapting to navigate the path. The degree the economy has changed every decade for the last generation is unfathomable.

If they fully resigned from communist ideals and accepted state capitalism, I don't think Jack Ma would have been dressed down the way he was.

> think that's a chinese saving face thing, because even in china everyone pretty much knows that blind communism with 100% state control was a disaster, but no one wants to admit it because it would delegitimize the CCP who rules the country.
I think they all admit it. No one denounces Mao like Stalin's successors did. Everyone recognizes that Deng and Xi were right, by virtue of the success of their policies, but they also acknowledge that was built on the foundation Mao laid.

>>512608916
I call China the "hypocrite model" which is effectively the traitor in game theory

They have their foundational beliefs, but anytime there is a benefit to be found, they will negate their own belief to absorb a temporary benefit. They then revert back to their foundational belief.

It works really fucking well when everybody else is too pussy to do it so openly.

>>512608725
So nobody should be allowed to own a river, moronic nonsense.

>>512609264
No nobody owns a river

Occasionally you get a delusional idiot that thinks he does though

I spent my entire childhood trespassing in Appalachia

My feet belong on every inch of this planet and I cant be told otherwise

cuck

you literally RELY on a bunch of fags to be organized and have weapons and use violence in order to maintain your childish greed

>>512609510
If you think your feet belong on my private property you're gonna have a bad time.

>>512609558
Bet I already walked all over it

>fearing death
Typical scarcity brained nigger mind

>>512609588
So I can just walk into your kitchen and you'll be fine with it

>>512609698
Either that or I would defend it either successfully or unsuccessfully.

Any of these outcomes does not result in the dreadful damnation that scarcity implies.

>>512600434 (OP)
Nah, it is the product of socialism's many failures and particularly its unwillingness to countenance those.

>>512609780
We acknowledge when capitalism gets deliberately tampered with but not other systems

One must wonder, just what would work if not for 3 letter agencies?

>>512600576
>Capitalism maximizes freedom
Shalom

>>512608378
Pretending is the worst. We pretend we have democracy and can change the system by voting, all that does is keep people going to the ballot box to give legitimacy to the system and consent to be ruled.

Far better to be honest about how things are and live in reality.

>I don't even know if china has a concept of private property, everything is "the peoples" property, if a billionaire has a quarrel with the government, he is executed and all his property is expropriated.
There are no rights in china at all, not even the idea of them, much less any kind of private property rights.
That's just not true. Private property is very much a thing, Chinese are obsessed with hording wealth and passing it down to their kin. Something like 80% of millennials are home owners, probably because they inherited their family land. Compare that to Japan where there's so many vacant houses because kids CAN'T AFFORD to pay the taxes involved in inheriting their family homes.

The wealthy and party members alike are executed for corruption, fraud, and financial crimes, but there's loads of rich people in China.

Jack Ma crossed the line. He didn't get executed, but his business empire got broken up, and now he's only rich enough to secure the future of the next 100 generations of his kids rather than 10,000.

>>512600434 (OP)
Don't put Stalin and Mao next to Hitler you enormous faggot.

>>512610044
Glowie post

>>512609959
>>512610076
You've literally just produced a glowie response. You are not fooling anybody, sir.

>>512600434 (OP)
kys

>>512609264
You shouldn't be allowed to "own a river".

If 1000 people all own riverside plots, should they all be allowed to collect a toll to pass their section of the river? Siphon off wealth from all commerce that uses the waterway and live as rent seekers in perpetuity?

Natural resources are the birthright of the people. Buying or inheriting a plot of land that happens to be situated over a geologic formation that may have existed for millions of years (whether a water way or mineral deposit) shouldn't elevate you to king status.

The wealth of the land should benefit the people of the land. I say that as a geologist that has had mineral exploration claims and every economic reason to support your position. I just don't agree with it on principle.

>>512610747
My heavens you sound like a white man

>>512610044
desu Hitler doesn't deserve to be pictured next to Stalin or Mao. He's included for your sake.

I admire aspects of Hitler, but he was an historic failure who brought ruin to his people and nation, and all of Europe for that matter. He couldn't have played his cards worse(better?) if he was a genuine ZOG puppet.

>>512611029
well I dont see YOU trying to eradicate the kikes

give the man some credit

>>512600434 (OP)
Anyone with a hairline like this is inevitably going to wipe out millions of people.

>>512600434 (OP)
Socialism, capitalism, communism are all buzzwords. The key to economic prosperity is to be self-sufficient and immune to economic pressure from foreign (((bankers))), who have been known to cause global economic depressions at will, in order to further their agenda and make more countries indebted to them.

>>512600576
we do have a hybrid economic system tho

>>512610821
You must perceive white men as being so avaricious that they'd let their brother starve because you deny their birthright.

desu you sound like a Jew.

Have you ever read the Bible? Around Genesis 25. You sound just like Jacob, the father of the Jews, who stole his brother Esau's birthright, by withholding food from his starving brother after he had returned from working the land, then by trickery by deceiving his father into making him the sole inheritor.

>>512600434 (OP)
Nationalism is the solution and Nationalism is inherently socialistic, it’s about the people, capitalism is incompatible with nationalism

>>512611722
It was a joke you fuckin fag holy hell you're a dumb bitch

>>512611145
That's the hairline of a man that led his army on a 10,000km long march.

Bone Spurs Trump couldn't even walk 18 holes in his prime after dodging the draft.

>>512611977
Give yourself a pat on the back for mastering jewposting then. Why are you so bent out of shape by the rebuttal if you're just joking? Sounds like it struck a nerve.

>>512612272
Im genuinely flabbergasted, I called you white as a compliment for having good morals and you started posting like this.

So yeah. Fuckin odd duck you are.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8UND0RToEZQ

>>512609755
So I can defend my private property too, got it, retard.

>>512612551
If you have the capacity. You fucking idiot. That is the whole point. You probably don't. You're probably a pathetic jackass that relies on mommy government to entitle you to things. The vast majority of people arent realistic. It was always acceptable terms for you to shoot me. If you can.

>>512610006
Define private property. I almost guarantee china has an inheritance tax.

>>512610044
Why? They're all socialist dictators, Sneed.

>>512612539
Sorry. I'm very drunk. It's 8am and I've been drinking since yesterday afternoon.

I reread and see can see that it wasn't the double entendre troll post I thought. However, if it were, my biblical critique still stands.

>>512612039
Oh yeah for sure he's cooler than Zion Don. I'm just saying, objectively speaking, someone with that hairline will destroy nations if he gets his hands on power. That hairline is tantamount to Azrael.

>>512612770
My definition is "that which you can personally defend"

This is reasonable and BTFOs greedy cunts trying to have shit that they cant realistically manage

Protip: if america had right to roam like some european contries do our freedom would instantly increase 1000x

>private property means you can only enter wilderness from this very specific entrance 50 miles away
>now you MUST have a car
>the chain of slavery continues from here
>because a dickhead was greedy
>the dickhead also loses on freedom but hes too much of a dickhead to notice

>>512610747
>If 1000 people all own riverside plots, should they all be allowed to collect a toll to pass their section of the river?
If it's their private property, yes.
>Natural resources are the birthright of the people.
No, owning private property is the birthright of individual people.
There is no such thing as public property, there is unowned property and private property.
>Buying or inheriting a plot of land that happens to be situated over a geologic formation that may have existed for millions of years (whether a water way or mineral deposit) shouldn't elevate you to king status.
Every man is the king of their castle.
>The wealth of the land should benefit the people of the land. I say that as a geologist that has had mineral exploration claims and every economic reason to support your position. I just don't agree with it on principle.
What principle? Public property doesn't exist.

>>512611556
national socialism is a buzzword

>>512611737
Nationalism is inherently anti-family.

>>512612770
>I almost guarantee china has an inheritance tax.
They don't. That would be an anathema and the worst kind of theft to Chinese, who obsessively horde wealth to pass down to their kids.

>>512613047
Where does this property originate from? Chief council of jews?

Lmao

>>512612727
Ok. So I will just increase my capacity as much as possible, the conversation is over.

>>512613160
Goodluck, but despite your greatest efforts it will all be for nothing. There is always a bigger fish.

>>512613122
>What about inheritance tax in China? China has no inheritance tax, but charges a transfer fee (Fangchanguohufeizong) when real estate assets are transferred upon death.
In other words, an inheritance tax, sorry but you CCP guys are full of shit.

mr yellow/black flag is such a rabid defender of jews he is nearly a ben shapiro

>>512613208
You've said nothing, you have no point, there is only emptiness to your words.

>>512600434 (OP)
Anon I personally don’t want any government to attempt to make things equal. Giving bureaucracies more power never solved anything in human history, ever

To understand white morality you must understand pre-Roman history of the germanic and celtic tribes

So many of your values are just jewish filth that romans picked up and spread around

>>512613328
not an argument moron

You'd think with all this leftist hatred of Israel and dystopic capitalism they'd totally be on board with the right.

>>512613128
Where does public property originate from?

>>512613351
Wrong. You are just very dumb and selfish. No amount of effort will make you into an all powerful entity. There is always a bigger fish. There is always someone that can and WILL take your shit. You are simply living a lie and the only balance is what is reasonably managed, unfettered growth is false on all fronts.

>>512613365
trust me the government needs to take your money by force and give it to government officials and billionaires... for equality.

>>512613420
>>512613388
you are the peak of stupidity

It was here when we first started having thoughts

"ownership" and "titles" came a few million years later

>>512613492
and you support this system by having things beyond your own personal management, empowering their management of those things

your greed makes you outsource your responsibilities and empower the government

>>512613435
>Waaah you dumb and selfish
Again, no point apart from adhoms, you're boring.

>>512613567
Your butthole can't be any more gaped you have absolutely no argument

You government slut, the big bully enables you to be greedy, you will lick its taint forever

>>512601411
>Just like democracy allows to put an entire country into debt,
That's fractional reserve fiat banking not democracy .

>>512600434 (OP)
Feudalism is the result of the success of tribalismm, and the bridge to Capitalism

Capitalist empires are the result of the success of feudalism and are the bridge to socialism

Communism is the proletarian revolt due to the success of Capitalism (monopoly) that makes everyone so miserable it forces Communism to be a bridge from Capitalism to Socialism, an intermediate state.

Marx said all this and people took him so seriously that modern history since then can be seen as the 1% doing every trick they can to keep us going in Capitalistic circles. Every comfort and distraction stops us from naturally eating the 1% and making a decent world.

>>512601654
>China
>communist
Marx wants to have word with you.

>>512613499
So you jump from thinking to public property, that tells everyone precisely nothing but ok.
>>512613549
Don't even know what you're talking about at this point calm down you incoherent schizo.

>>512613618
>you butthole gaped LOL
Ok buddy i'm done, dont forget to change your diaper.

>>512613750
Who was the first owner of land? Ownership began with humans? You're insanely dumb. Insanely fucking dumb. Private property is one of the newer concepts for humans.

>>512613378
>>512613435
>>512613499
>>512613549
Here have these 4 posts for the road, you turbo fucking retard.

>>512602117
>Easy enough to deal with BlackRock. Just
Just ban fractional reserve banking. Classify it as money counterfeiting.
*Puff* financial debt complex disappears overnight.

>>512613810
You did not once make an argument the entire thread.

>>512600434 (OP)
> Hatred of socialism is the product of oligarch brainwashing. More than anything, the oligarchs fear the people rising up and taking back their ill gotten wealth and making them face justice for their crimes.

A one party state of new oligarchs that are often far more psychopathic is not “the people rising up” you absolute shitstain of a human being. It’s more of the same, just much more brutal and far less legitimate.

>>512614011
To be fair the modern man's stomach for violence is waaaay less than it was a century ago

>>512612770
>Define private property
According to Soveit definition, property that is used to create profit.
If you have car and just drive it it's personal property.
If you have car and drive people for money (taxi service) that is private property and this is verboten.
Fun fact: in 80s Soveits literally stopped passengers cars drivers and checked passengers documents, if those weren't relatives of the driver, drivers were fined for illegals entrepreneurship. BASED! No mercy to capitalist scum!

>>512613889
I did and all you did was shout retarded ad-homs.
Public property does not and cannot exist because more than 2 or more people cannot control property at the same time.

If you just ad-hom me again with no argument i won't give you another reply.

>>512601654
>Communist China executes corrupt politicians and bankers

ITT 13 year old redditors who think THEY can usher in the utopia embarrass themselves by putting their gullibility and naivety on full display.

>>512614093
This is nonsense. This is really your argument? Very funny.

Imagine thinking that ownership *must* occur, lol, lmao. Each atom in the world *must* have a title and an owner. Lol, lmao.

You live in a joke reality. You're a joke.

I actually wanted to give you a reply, but I am not going to take you seriously. You're hopelessly foolish and I wish to leave you now so that you may die of old age on your own. I will expend no further energy on something so inferior.

>>512614060
Lol these people are violent chimps that can't be reasoned with, so they essentially banned renting cars.

>>512613047
>be a man indigenous to a land
>since time immemorial your ancestors poured sweat and blood into the land, working it and defending it from invaders
>the land is rich
>richness before time
>before man or even mammals, that richness was in the ground
>waiting to bless the keepers
>along comes a Jew
>he purchased the mineral rights for pennies on the dollar
>quit seething poor fag
>what are you a communist who doesn't respect property rights?

Mineral wealth belongs to the nation and its people.

>>512600434 (OP)
> Killing the bankers
Completely on board
> Using that as a vehicle to shill for communism the bourg trick
No thank you faggot both communism and late stage capitalism are a system in which a few rich elite own everything through a statecorporation monopoly and you the goy own nothing and have to rent/beg to get anything from these priviliged leaders. Communism was a deliberate psyop by jewish bourg to trick the proletariaat to speedrun a nation towards a late stage capitalism system. Midwits and retards constantly get filtered by communism truly biolenist subhuman faux intellectual faggots

>>512614194
China currently has a higher standard of living and homeownership rate than the usa. Your argument is invalid.

>>512614215
>Imagine thinking that ownership *must* occur, lol, lmao. Each atom in the world *must* have a title and an owner. Lol, lmao.
I never said or implied any of that shit so nice strawman fallacy.
>You live in a joke reality. You're a joke. Blablablabla
More ad-homs, go talk to some other socialist retard.

>>512614336
Until you criticize a government official then they strap you to the torture chair.

>>512614246
There was no argument in that diatribe.
>Property belongs to your ancestors
That sounds nice but it's a bunch of bullshit, private property belongs to the current owner.

>>512614336
China is a freemarket capitalist country and its wealth is solely held up by its capitalist neighbors using its cheap industry china would not be that wealthy without capitalism

>>512614290
National socialism is a statecorporation monopoly.

>>512614700
Correct where did i advocate for fascism you whataboutism Npc? I believe in a culling of the elite every 100 years and then a restart of capitalism so you only get the prosperity periods not the clownworld periods

>>512600434 (OP)
Socialism doesn´t work because we got too many legit disabled people, old people are living for far too long and too many retarded losers, who smoke weed everyday, claim they are "dIsAbLeD" and are too good to work any job.

If our society can come together and deal with such problems, then only then, it could have a chance of succeeding.
Otherwise it´s just feeding a bunch of useless leaches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RmArwGGmPY

>>512614767
Thats why they will have to be eurhanized in 15 years something liberals will gladly do in the name of hecking humanity altho in reality its because their psychopaths incapable of ingroup empathy of loving their families people community and culture nor race

>>512614759
>Correct where did i advocate for fascism you whataboutism Npc?
Didn't say that, just stating a fact, relax.
I agree all systems undergo cycles even capitalism.

>>512614532
"current owner" isn't written in stone. A company like Blackrock could buy up every residential property in America and no one would shed a tear besides their share holders if it was redistributed.

It's determined by the law of the land, and the law is determined by who rules.

The capitalist fears the socialist.

>>512614767
Socialism doesn't work because theft and mass murder of the innocent is immoral and unproductive.

>>512600434 (OP)
no question
capitalism has failed
socialism is the way forward

>>512614924
>"current owner" isn't written in stone. A company like Blackrock could buy up every residential property in America and no one would shed a tear besides their share holders if it was redistributed.
Then they would own the property before someone steals it, who has no right to own the property.
>t's determined by the law of the land, and the law is determined by who rules.
So anything goes in your ideal system, in fact you're not advocating for anything, you have no morals at all.
>The capitalist fears the socialist.
Of course i fear thieves and murderers. I want them removed from society.

>>512615079
Move to china then and stop yapping then.

>>512614881
Fair

>>512600434 (OP)
what are your thoughts about Carl Schmitt?

>>512600434 (OP)
In practice it is just "hey rat out anyone who is against the party."
Even Hitler speeches where I hoped to find some idealist utopianism, it was more just a pressure campaign to saying to "root out the bad socialists" or something similar.

If socialism is so great, why do they have to build walls to keep people in? Compared to democracy which has to build walls to keep people out?

>>512615237
That which doesn't rightfully belong to you, can't be stolen from you. Tough luck oligarchs, your monopolies aren't sacrosanct.
Capital doesn't dictate morality, and there's nothing you fear more than being judged by a jury of ordinary people.

>>512614336
>higher standard of living
at an average $250 salary?
>homeownership
But don't own the land underneath them, so the government can seize that any time they want and do then demolish the home above.