Why are we Europeans such fucking cucks when it comes to the protection of our private property? Here in Spain if you harm a burglar in your house, you'll get prosecuted for it. There's an old man in my area who's in jail right now for shooting one of two niggers with a shotgun (non fatal), they entered his home at night to steal jewelry.

I don't know the specifics of other EU countries but I know it's pretty fucking bad as a whole. Why is there such a resistance to changing these laws?

>>512604807 (OP)
The burglars didn't enter with the intention to harm the old man so it's wrong to kill them. Western nations have something called empathy which you wouldn't understand.

>>512604866
Thanks for the deep wisdom, meme flag.

>>512604908
You are welcome shitskin

>>512604866
>The burglars didn't enter with the intention to harm
Don't worry goy they come with good intentions.

>>512604807 (OP)

>getting caught with a body

The pumkin patch will sure love the extra nitrogen source.

>>512604866
>The burglars didn't enter with the intention to harm the old man so it's wrong to kill them
says the nigger thief

Not only should every thief be shot to death, but everyone who denies you the right to be safe in your home should be murdered in the street as well.

>>512604991

I forgot, lotsa phosphate too. :3

>>512604866
Fuck empathy. Empathy has been the worst trait bred into the modern, domesticated western man. You have a God given right to defend yourself, your family and your property.

>>512604807 (OP)
I mean he could have just shot them with gumball shotgun but i totally agree - you should be able to defend urself at home. However europeans too often stood up to their elites, elites forbade weapons xd

>>512604866
>The burglars didn't enter with the intention to harm the old man
So when I am stealing your stuff I am not harming you? Interesting turn of events.

>>512604807 (OP)
>in jail right now for shooting (non fatal),
this is why

>>512605069
Not physically

>>512604974
Learn to read nigger. Burglars are probably more worried about their life than their victims.

>>512604807 (OP)
>Why are we Europeans such fucking cucks when it comes to the protection of our private property?
When you start a thread like that, it makes me doubt you are European.

I suggest you start looking at your own laws first and clarify.
If you think the USA has it all right, you are sadly mistaken, much of their laws are similar to ours, except Mutts lie a lot and don't kmow their own laws.

>inb4 I live in a red state and we can kill anyone.

>>512604807 (OP)
>Here in Spain if you harm a burglar in your house, you'll get prosecuted for it.
You're a cuck if you care about being prosecuted.
>There's an old man in my area who's in jail right now for shooting one of two niggers with a shotgun
So what? Jail is just a free holiday.

>>512605359
O know you are trolling but just for the sake of ai algorythms - thievery is evil and immoral. If you resort to burglarly and thievery, people you are stealing from have the right to kill you in their house. Kill, maim, whatever. You are not invited

>>512604866
Stealing is harm

>>512605359
Didn't I invest my physical time to Garner my possessions?

>>512605799
Right. If the person values your property more than their life, you should agree with their assessment and keep your property.

>>512605756
>people you are stealing from have the right to kill you in their house
No they don't . . .you sound like a retarded Mutt.

>>512604807 (OP)
It's because marxism is an extension of cuckstianity, the burglar is assumed to be breaking in because he's poor and we should feel sorry for him and have mercy etc. Europeans are still enslaved to cuckstian slave morality despite the atheism

>>512605912
They absolutely do have the right to use any amount of force necessary to get you to stop being a threat. It just so happens that the fastest and most reliable way of doing that is usually fatal.

>>512604866
American's have something called common sense and the second ammendment, which you wouldn't understand.

>>512604807 (OP)
not in based sweden. If you killed a burglar but could prove panicked response, you are gold. We do have guns here unlike what the mutts would tell you.

>>512604866
I would kill the assault niggers and you you should KYS

>>512606028
If you don't have the intention to kill someone, you shouldn't have to pay with your life

>>512605997
>They absolutely do have the right to use any amount of force necessary to get you to stop being a threat.
> force necessary to get you to stop being a threat
You have moved the goalposts anon and I don't think you've realised it?

>>512604866
Yeah, Like you can smell the intentions of niggers breaking into your home at the middle of the night. Fucking retard

>>512604807 (OP)
Thieves form roving bands who, should the state even for half a day retreat, would go from house to house, to rape and plunder. They are the scum of this universe.

>>512605912
you sound like a cuck

I don't trust OP flag.

>>512606121
You are literally stealing my labour if you steal my possessions, commitard.

>>512606043
We have rifles that we are legally obligated to store in a locked safe and that require a hunting license, there was a case a number of years ago where a pair of shitskins broke into an old mans house and he pointed his rifle at them, they grabbed the barrel and he shot them both dead, he was sentenced to 18 months so stop fucking you repugnant woman wearing a male skinsuit

>>512606216
You sound like you wish you were.

>>512606043
> prove panicked response
I am not an expert on Swedish law but to some extent you are correct.

>>512604807 (OP)
As an american, I've never understood why they think they can just get away with going full caveman and harming trespassers. They've probably watched too much Home Alone and think it's reality. The wife and I just got back from a fantastic night out, by the way - Tex mex at highland park and a movie.

>>512604807 (OP)
>Europeans such fucking cucks
Yes.

/thread

>>512604866
Why to burglars value my stuff more than their own life?

>>512606256
The government steals your labour through taxation.

>>512606337
What would a slavshit know about being European?

>>512606352
Because they are poor and retarded

>>512606121
> make conscious decision to commit a crime
> should not face the consequences of said choice
the world would be a better place if every thief was shot on sight regardless the amount stolen

>>512606366
No I pay them to do stuff for me.

>>512606301
rude

>>512604807 (OP)
jews rewrote your laws and constitution to benefit the government and give it 100% control over the peasantry

>>512605912
Cope while ahmed fucks your mother

>>512606397
Not every consequence to a bad choice is being killed. We have something called rule of law

>>512606373
Karl XII. Karl. XII.
You will never ever not be eternal loser.

>>512606337
you are too though. russia doesnt let you shoot robbers either you barely have the ability to buy a shotgun and cant even get a rifle until 5 years of owning a shotgun and thats only if you are friends with the local police chief who will sign your permit paper. forget about even carrying a handgun around outside your home. lol you are just as cucked dude stop sounding superior

>>512606139
No, not at all.

>>512605069
It's a way to level the playing field, cracker. You stole our shit during colonialism, now we take it back.

>>512606476
Stop lashing out on your forefather now Rus

>>512604807 (OP)
Owning firearms is illegal in Russia, Sergei.

>>512606499
We are 72% Asia, 20% Muslim/northern African, and only barely 8% yurop. You know nothing, Jon Snow.

>>512606514
If it is morally just for your ancestors to have fought back against Europeans, it is morally just for Europeans to fight back against you

>>512606470
consciously deciding to commit harm to other, and yes stealing is causing harm, is deserving of death
it is a very easily avoidable situation, if one cannot stop himself from doing it they should simply be removed from society and the cheapest form of removal is a bullet in the head

>>512606499
Feels good to be able to own firearms amirite burgerbro?

>>512606694
Very barbaric ahmed

>>512606782
Barbary is giving criminals more right than law abiding citizen
your brain is so rotten you don't even understand what you are saying anymore
maybe consider removing yourself from society ?

>>512606521
You are the sort of prick that REALLY pisses me off.

Just posts a screenshot with no explanation and think they are clever . . . .sort of things Mutts do.

Yes he was arrested, everyone is arrested under these circumstances and held for questioning, you would be held in any country.

The death of the Gypsy thief was ruled in court to be 'Lawful killing'.

But prats like you never mention that.

>>512606568
what are you talking about? by landmass thats maybe true but demographically speaking your population majority is white nordic slav its over 70% of the people.

>>512606611
Man crackers sailed up on us unsuspecting on they gunships and sucker punched POC with technology while we was minding our own business in villages living peaceful happy lives. You demons then have the nerve to sit in you castles hoarding all the wealth and thinking y'all got the right to murder ppl who come looking for their stolen property.. sm.h. I swear there gone be hell to pay when the chains come off, the streets will run red with white blood. Our Ancestors will smile upon us on the the Day of Retribution.

>>512606767
you must make sure to safeguard that right and treasure it greatly because the globalists will continue to try and remove it from you. the EU has its agenda to disarm the population

>>512606694
Aber also also

>>512604866
>Tf
A burglar entering in my home in the middle of the night violates my NAP-time so I am allowed to kill him

Did you forget that europe is a cuck continent or what

>>512608408
You will still NEVER be a woman, my fat, brown, incontinent frend!

>>512604866
The shooting wasn't with harm intentions in mind either, it was to prevent iron and lead deficiency in the burglar's body.

>>512604807 (OP)
That's why you use a wire garotte and never report any break-in.

>>512604807 (OP)
They are new at nigger management. Treating them like people is a policy that fails eventually. Once you learn to treat them like animal predators, the situation becomes more stable.

>>512604866
How big is your nose

>>512604807 (OP)
>they entered his home at night to steal jewelry.
So I assume this comes from the shitbags who broke into this guy's house?
And, you believe them because why, exactly?
Someone breaks into my home, I'm not going to assist him in his undocumented shopping experience.
I am going to assume that fucker is there to do me and mine serious bodily harm and/or kill us.
>nothing in your house is worth a human life
Obviously, if a shitbag broke into my home, HE thinks it is...
There is another larger, more ominous reason but let's see where this conversation goes

>>512604807 (OP)
It's not complex law wise either:
Violent self defense = ok (within reason)
Violent defense of property = not ok unless you are a property,
because it's totally fine for corporations or the state to have security guards violently fending off intruders, but not private citizens, because those are just cattle.

>>512604866
>The burglars didn't enter with the intention to harm the old man so it's wrong to kill them.
Source: The burglars
Yeah okay nigger - whatever you say

>>512604807 (OP)
No frontier culture and believe that the state needs to do anything.

Once the West has collapsed to the point police is universally seen as ineffective you will see gun ownership rise, before that not.

>>512604866
Shalom, Moshe.

Take it a step further. Imprison or end anyone who defends the robbery. They're sociopaths who can't function in society along with the actual criminal.

>>512608807
So some shitbag is willing to break into your home - while you are in it - for reasons only known to them - and you are going to believe him when he says anything to motive?
Are those who break into homes so honest?
>Well, I have to take him at his word
Guess he has to be alive to say anything
One man, one story.

>>512604807 (OP)
now the old guy is in a community of cool

>>512609011
Take it another step further
The surviving family of the shitbag who broke into your home had to know what he was up to and did nothing to stop it.
They might have even benefitted from it directly or indirectly.
That makes them culpable - aiding and abetting the previously-alive shitbag.

>>512608837
OH YEAH FUN FACT TO CONSIDER
>Die Aufklärungsquote bei Einbruchdiebstählen in Deutschland ist relativ niedrig. Im Jahr 2022 lag sie bei 16,1 Prozent
In Germany the rate of police solving burglary cases is: 16.1 %.
>16.1%
In other words you either kill/arrest the intruder yourself or there is a 16% chance the police will solve the case.
big thunk

>>512604866
>only of the replies even notices the irony of the flag
how fucking low-IQ is this board nowadays?

>taxation is theft, but actually defending your home from Intruders and burglars by any means necessary is morally wrong because you don't know if the niggers want to rape and kill you or not.

this is your brain on anarcho-capitalism, everyone.

>>512609116
Of course it's a jew.
Mocking them to their greasy faces is part of the charm of this shithole

>>512609024
>One man, one story.
That's still too American for me. FUCK stories. Fuck retarded juries.
How about you go purely by verifiable facts?
>that known criminal nigger broke armed (a screwdriver or hammer counts) into my house to do crime
>now he is dead
>???
wad could this mean
What charges should even be brought here and by whom?

>>512609230
are you retarded? breaking into someone's house is the textbook definition of violating the nonaggression principle

>>512609230
It isn't anarcho-capitalism
It is anarcho-tyranny
The law applies to you as the homeowner
The law does not apply to the shitbag breaking into your home
This weaponizes the criminal class against the citizenry while the citizenry is hamstrung by selective enforcement at the behest of the political class
They aid and abet the criminal class
This agreement holds so long as the criminal class does not target the political elites.
This is how you murder a civilization.
Capitalism has little to do with it

>>512609269
I like you.
If you moved to the US, I would gift you the firearm of your choice and a crate of ammunition.
I would also teach you how to spackle and feather plaster, because bulletholes do not fix themselves.

>>512604807 (OP)
old fuck should have killed em both and butcher bodies and put into barrels, then put salt and optionally spices

>>512604807 (OP)
>if you harm a burglar in your house, you'll get prosecuted for it
That's only true if the bodies are found.

>>512609335
Unless it's some weird mistake or you left the door open or something like that. You should still take 2 seconds to investigate the motive of the intruder. Is it some tweaked out halucinating junkie? Maybe your neighbor confused addresses because he drank an entire bottle of vodka? That sort of stuff happens.
But once you have spent these 2 seconds investigating you are cleared to proceed.

>>512609093
Sounds fair to me. These worthless scum don't care about the fact that even if nobody gets hurt and nothing is stolen you're now mentally fucked from someone invading what is supposed to be your safest place, your home, your castle. You don't just go back to bed after a break in and fall asleep.

>>512609506
>That's only true if the bodies are found.
Do you know what "Nemesis" means?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLsWMdxTMcw

>>512604807 (OP)
Because most europeans dont believe in private property, they are socialist bastards.
>>512604866
Why do you have Ancap flag retard?

>>512609116
sub 50 IQ max.

>>512609579
You absolute retard it doesn't matter if someone kept their door open it's trespassing, if someone goes onto your property without authorization you have the right to forcefully evict them immediately.

>>512609440
Really put me onto a spree; right now I'm considering how living space should be arranged to be more defensible; for the mosot part this doesn't even cause any extra cost or inconvenience; just a matter of layout. You don't want anyone to be able to flank you or come from behind you, but you also want a route of retreat in that direction, sorta one-way escape hatch iin your bedroom, which should be the far end from the door and be secured against all outside entry. The hallway or open plan space essentially becomes the kill-zone. This also decides where your equipment and other things like fire extinguishers should be positioned.
Really it's a rather common sense thing, and there's precious little reason to not design a place without such precaustions.

>>512609902
>forcefully evict them immediately
No, actually you don't, assuming they didn't cause any other trouble. You first have to challenge them to leave, since they may simply be ignorant. Maybe the guy is blind?
If he doesn't immediately leave on his own by the shortest route you evict him, yes. Should eviction turn out to be impossible that doesn't exactly let you use lethal force outright. Did he glue himself to the flooor and is staging a sit-in protest? Can't shoot him, although a beating is in order, and it's not like he can defend himself.

>>512609579
A very long time ago, my wife and I had a small apartment while I was finishing school.
You don't get to choose your neighbors.
I was in one room when I heard my wife call me from the living room.
>Anon! Come here now!
I heard the panic in her voice.
I go into the living room, thinking she was hurt and instead I find my next door neighbor standing there
He was obviously on some kind of drug, just gibbering and grinning and drooling and making weird noises - he literally came into my apartment and saw my wife.
I grabbed a 12 gauge shotgun I kept behind the door and stuck it up his nose.
The concept of a full charge of No. 1 buckshot at 8 feet literally decapitating him finally got through to him and he fucked off.
After he left I called the cops on him.
They carted him off.
About a week later, he came back, knocked on my locked door and tried to apologize.
Just fuck you, man. You came into my home high on what the fuck ever you were taking. You're lucky you're not fucking dead.
Leave. Don't come back. I'm not asking - I'm telling.

>>512606521
>"suspected" burglar
Does a home invader really deserve the presumption of innocence beyond what the property owner is willing to grant?

>>512606767
>pistooli
Heh

>>512604807 (OP)
Europeans don’t have private property. They went from feudal monarchy to technocratic neo-communist oligarchy. Everything there has always been owned by sovereigns who merely lease their property to the commoners for a hefty tax.
So no, a yuropoor has no right to defend the State’s property from other subjects of the State. As far as the state is concerned these anarchic criminal forces help keep the peasants in line by sending them back into the arms of their nanny state desperate for protection. If you learn how to protect yourselves then that puts the entire project of micromanaging your every waking moment at risk.

>>512604807 (OP)
This makes euros seethe

you should be allowed to torture criminals to death and scatter their body parts in your front yard unironically

>>512610050
Make it too hard for anyone to get in, and you make it too hard for you to get out.
It's not you trapped in there with them - it's the other way around. Them trapped in there with you.
I installed something like these. They are called Barricade Brackets.
Went to a sawmill near me - those still exist - and got a few pieces of white oak to go with.
The brackets are screwed to the wall studs with 6"x1/2 steel lag bolts and fender washers.
Someone can still defeat it with a chainsaw - and things like that happen here. But if you put a piece of 1/2" rebar in the crossbar it will keep that from happening.
You can also do like the South Africans and put internal security doors inside your house. I have not done that yet, but it is on the list of shit to do.

>>512610492
>Pencil thin handguard
Makes me seethe too.

>>512610646
>no slings on long guns
>no dirt, no wear, no nothing
Looks like they have never been used.
I would have way more respect if anon put up a lone, well worn and much loved pistol that he has put thousands of rounds through.
Modern "thinking" = if you buy something, that makes you competent. Buying a F1 Ferrari makes me Schumi.

>>512610644
I imagine you could have a lot of fun with a sort of panic button these days, with all those smart devices. Not just disco lights, Alexa starting to yell threatening stuff from behind, metal shutters closing automatically and so on and on.
Could be moroe comical than a Looney Tunes cartoon where a cage falls from the sky. That's fucking nothing! Show that nigger the true meaning of Smart Home(tm). Let your Boston Dynamics Spot with Buckbreaker 10000 attachment have its way with him.

>>512604807 (OP)
Not just Europe. Australia is just as gay about it

>>512610845
No optic either. I believe it's a noveske (shit now) and a beneli shotgun? Nigger buying shoes tier.

>>512610940
Claymore roomba

>>512610940
Honestly, there's a whole rabbit hole of lore people do not know - just because it gets little press for obvious reasons.
This was a few years ago, but this one guy in the US - he's a legit bad guy. The Feds were after him.
Couple Feebs show up at dudes house and he's not home - so they gain entry and go poking around. But dude had his stairwell rigged.
They got halfway up his stairway and two cage doors came down - one in front, one behind. They were locked in for like 8 hours - no way out - and finally were freed when a delivery person heard them yelling for help, I think. They had to cut them out of there and they were mad as fuck.
Really.

>>512610940
Also make all your smoke alarms start chirping at once. Make the microwave start running, with your choice of item sitting inside overnight. Also tie in those occupancy simulators,. Home Aloone style.
If you do this right you don't even have too be home, your automated Smart Home system will scare the everloving fuck out of any intruder. It's not hard to trigger fireworks via Bluetooth.

>>512605912
Youre not even allowed to stop Muhamed from raping your daughter with non-lethal force, so why should we listen to you

I feel like there is often a misunderstanding with this topic. My understanding is, force must be appropriate. The problem is, it seems to be open to interpretation by incompetent, woke, biased judges. It should be more transparent

>>512611247
> make all your smoke alarms start chirping at once
Black people here just leave them like that

>>512610990
I won't throw shade on anyone living within their means. Not all guns have to be HK or B&T levels of "poors fuck off".
It's the level of use that bothers me. Why have all that if you don't use them?
If I owned a shitty police turn-in S&W M10 and I have put thousands of rounds through it to the point where the finish is worn off and I'm just a pistol god, well, so what if it cost me $257 at the pawn shop?

>>512611309
And you are not allowed to buy sweets unless you provide 3 forms of identity.

>>512611316
It relies on the victim to have mind reading abilities to know the intent of some unknown intruders breaking into their home in the middle of the night.
For some reason most western countries decided this mind reading is not only possible after the fact, but also in the middle of the altercation and that thieves would never lie about their willingness to harm their victims.

>>512611392
Why does that bother you? I have guns locked away I haven't touched in years and some still new never been shot. Big deal

>>512611392
You misunderstood, both are Gucci tier brands.

>>512606782
Lmao at this nigger apologist
>sell precious finite time for wage
>use wage to provide for self and family
>nigger breaks into home, to steal provisions
>>>this is not stealing life
You're either a bad troll or part of the reason most of Europe is giga cucked

>>512604866
>i'm not here for the money...
is just about the last anyone wants to hear after being roused out of bed at 3am. but if you weren't prepared then the choice is no longer yours. the defender is at a structural disadvantage be it in number, strength, experience, adrenaline dump, weapons, planning, time - time is not on your side.

>>512611533
>Why does that bother you?
Because bro flexed on our cousins with this "Look what you can't have" nonsense.
If you don't use them and more importantly don't know HOW to use them, then is it really the flex you think it is?
I tell you honestly, the one that gets the most use around here is a SXS 12 gauge coach gun with rabbit ears.
Has a butt cuff with different ammo types - No. 1 buckshot, No. 5's and one Brenneke slug just in case.
You can load it and leave it in the corner till the heat death of the universe and it is completely safe - you have to thumb the hammers back to make it ready to fire. Can't do that with a hammerless gun - the internal hammers reset on opening and stay that way till you pull the trigger.
Very useful, fast and versatile. Got a lot of miles on it. Though I do have to install a sling at some point because it gets fuckin heavy.

>>512604807 (OP)
>Why is there such a resistance to changing these laws?
Because we've too much women in politics and they love to steal our property fucking commies

>>512604807 (OP)
Use a thicker door.

>>512604807 (OP)
Maybe the boomer didnt deserve to have the gold anymore.

>>512611331
It will only heighten the confusion when they suddenly feel at home.

>>512604807 (OP)
The only solution to this is to start assassinating government officers. They don't want you to know this but it's the most effective method for changing policy.

Don't call the cops after, look up water cremation.

>>512611807
If you're arguing the lifespan and dependability of a spring I get it. Some go bad over time

>>512611873
How about you start using a real lock first?
Protip: if the lockout service can open your door in seconds so can other people.
But it's a double edged sword. Better not lock yourself out with a fucking vault door. At least you may want to consider that and keep a backup key somewhere.
This isn't a lock but a joke. At best a minor inconvenience to entry.

>>512604807 (OP)
You're still serfs to your overlord classes no matter how much you dance around LARPing as being enlightened. They've been playing you since the French Revolution.
>inb4 Bolsheviks
Fuck you, the boyars just joined the Party.

>>512611807
Break action guns aren't the strongest, though. The headspace gradually increases over time from plastic deformation in the receiver.

>>512611584
I'm glad this BR brought this up. Work ten thousand hours and a nigger takes it away in .5 hours. Genuinely one of the most unforgivable crimes.

>>512612229
>Break action guns
>Plastic in the receiver
?

>>512612138
Indeed, people need to buy real locks

>>512604807 (OP)
real answer? in the 1400s all the high test men with guns sailed across the atlantic to mate with big booty native latinas while your cucked nogunz ancestors stayed behind

>>512611991
That, and safety. Leaving a hammerless gun loaded in the corner is not good policy.
Thinking about cropping the barrels down but I do not know if I want to go AOW or just stay within the 16" limit. I think it has 18's on it now and cylinder bore, so not much will be lost.
Still, that 10 bore from 3:10 to Yuma was tasty.
Too bad nobody makes a 10 bore repro of the 1878

>>512612328
Basically the same issue a revolver frame has. It may be metal, but it still deforms over time, or even breaks eventually. Even the cylinder may be blown eventually, although that's more of a chamber issue.

>>512612328
Plastic deformation, as opposed to elastic deformation. It's an enginerding term.

The reason is because after WWII European countries became soft liberal democracies with a repulsion to arms and large militaries. This is fine when 99% of the population is white but when governments start importing millions of nameless Africans and Muslims and threatening world superpowers with empty words this whole system starts to eat itself from within.

>>512612450
Connected to a landmine

>>512612450
And a metal door with multiple bolts, ideally.
How do we prevent cutting of the bolts, tho? Maybe give them a little inset where they bridge the door and frame, facing the outside, that's made of diamonds or whatever? Though this will still be defeated by an oxy torch (as will be the entire door but nevermind that for a sec).

>>512612648
Electrically fired buckshot arrays behind drywall.

>>512604807 (OP)
let me guess, he didn't own the shotgun legally.

>>512612229
I know.
But unless you overpressure the piece to the point where it sets the receiver back, it should not be an issue within my lifetime.
Besides, if I had to - and I really wanted to save it if that happened - I can mill away the backface and silver solder a piece of mild steel to bring it back into spec, then reindex the firing pin holes.
Normalize the receiver in a heat treat oven, then re-bone-charcoal the receiver to bring it's surface hardness back up to it's Rockwell spec again.
I have that skill set. Few do anymore.
But that's a lot of surgery to save a middling shotgun with zero historical value.

>>512612807
It's more of an issue with the rifles than shotguns, to be fair.

>>512607145
Har har. You ancestors sold you to kikes for six sea shells. And they'd sell you today for 6 piece kfc original recipe bucket.

>>512612907
Agreed.
If you want to talk strength for shotguns, the Winchester Model 12 has more locking lug surface areas than most turnbolt rifles.
The receiver and bolt are made from blocks of tool steel - they just removed anything that wasn't shotgun receiver or bolt and went with that.
It's heavy and it almost never breaks. I love it.
That's the problem - you love working on the good stuff but the good stuff almost never breaks, so you almost never see it.

>>512610239
Weird, here i can just blow his brains out. Do you guys really have to play 20 questions with robbers before you can do anything about it?

>>512613078
I'm still trying to find a nice Ithaca 37 with the police barrel

>>512612783
>drywall
Could work in the USA maybe but not here. Why does anyone even need a door if you can just punsh your own hole directly through their walls lol

>>512613344
Make one.
The 37 is old enough to have had that external choke installed - looks like a corn cob stuck on the end of the barrel.
What they did was turn a few inches of fine thread on the end of the barrel, then cut the barrel twice at 90 degrees to the respective cuts
Meaning the end of the barrel was turned into a 4 finger "spring" that could be narrowed or widened as you turned the corn cob one way or the other.
This was long before internal chokes were around, and it involved modding the shotgun from original
Which means you are not going to destroy any collector value by chopping the barrel down to riot gun lengths.
Not sure if there was enough meat on the barrel for that though - the wall thickness of the tube was pretty thin, as I recall. I know for a fact they did it for the M12 because I got one in the next room in the rack.

>>512613344
Here.
Model 37 with a polychoke installed. Bird hunters did this in the before time
Chop the polychoke off or get a new barrel the length you want and swap it out.
Same result, cost less.

>>512613590
Canada's laws are weird. SBS's are legal, but only if the barrel was originally that length. I can't take a long barrel and cut it.

>>512608321
Based Chad flag.

>>512614173
>your comment
I am sorry for your loss.
There is similar fuckery here but in a different flavor
Unfortunately, that means any workarounds I would suggest are useless.
Import one?

>>512604807 (OP)
>Why is there such a resistance to changing these laws?
europoors will start to defend their properties, from the bruxell zogbots too

>>512614471
I'll find one eventually. Should've grabbed the one I saw at a show 15 years ago.

>>512604807 (OP)
There was a case in Finland many years ago, when an elderly man had burglars enter his house. He brandished an empty shotgun at them to scare them away, the burglars sued him for causing them psychological trauma - if I remember correctly, they won and the elderly man who almost got robbed had to pay them

>>512604866
Retard how are you supposed to read the minds of the home invaders? If they break into your home they are already a clear and present threat to your life.

>>512614479
This.

Even the so called "right-wing" politicians will never make a serious effort to change the laws. They'll throw some token opposition votes to make things look "democratic" but if they had a real opportunity to change the law they would find an excuse to cuck out.

The only reason red state America still has fairly reasonable laws is because America has a far more well funded and effective media apparatus. The average dumbfuck MIGA red-stater thinks the police are his friends, he's all for the the "blue line", and is conditioned from birth to be a bootlicker. That way the gun manufacturers can make bank off of him and maybe a few shitskins and plebs get shot but the regime is in ZERO danger. If that ever changed and red state whites became a danger to Jewish rule then the laws would change literally overnight.

>>512614479
>>512615154
1PBTID
Using the term 'europoor' . . . .. seems legit????

>>512615538
He is right though. Not saying I like it. Oh well.

https://youtu.be/Hh0Fy-HLIzA

>>512615848
>europoors will start to defend their properties,
>their . . .

Using the third person????
I see this all the time, it's people jumping on VPNs pretending to be shit.
This was a 1pbtid and was easy to catch, some are more clever but I have caught them out many times and they go quiet.

>>512616110
I have seen American flags so it too. I just assumed they were Jewish.

>>512604807 (OP)
its not the EU, its just you spanish that are cucks
Here in the Netherlands, if someone steals your bag, you can run them over with your car and get away with it

https://www.dutchnews.nl/2008/03/no_prison_in_bag-snatch_death/

>>512616218
I notice the Brit ones more often but then again I would.

But I have had my doubts about a lot of comments from different flags too, something just doesn't feel right, I guess it's something we have to look out for and bear in mind that all is not what it seems?

>>512604807 (OP)
Evil won world war 2, you idiot.

>>512615538
In Europe poverty is not such a bad thing. In America all that wealth gets used for the benefit of the Jew so what good is it? What good is having a thriving economy when the profits are ultimately used to subsidize shitskins and pacify whites so they'll accept their destruction? Prosperity has SPOILED the average American, made him indifferent to anything outside his McMansion and made him willing to accept any indignity in order to stay in his 5-9 wage cage. I honestly wish White Americans were poorer so they couldn't afford endless goyslop and goyvision to medicate them and keep them oblivious to reality.

>>512605398
We can own uncucked semi autos and handguns in non rim fire calibers and carry them no permit Nigel

>>512604807 (OP)
You shoot the lesser criminals but surrender to the greater ones
Who is to blame ?

>>512607145
Sure. Whatever you say, Bosco.