>>512611858It is the mother. If I as a father had a problem with what my daughter was wearing, I took it up with her mom. I do not get involved directly in that, it is a low level discussion and if I bring it up, its just old man worldview and dismissed but from the mother it is not disputed. If my wife says "that's what they are wearing, I might relent, but I also might issue a fatwah, "don't care, no way" and that is taken as an order. I grew up with four sisters, I know how this is handled. I also know these cunts then go to their friends house and change into sluttier outfits. I mention that I could show up anywhere at anytime and make a scene the daughter will never live down. I say it nicely and end it with "because I love you". You are shaping what she picks in a man and does as the mother of your grandchild. This is how a western man shapes society from within his own home. Engagement, expectations, tact. Get on my level mud peoples.