What race were Ancient Romans?

>>512673033 (OP)
>WE ARE EMPERORS SAAR

>>512673033 (OP)
Whiter then shit color.

>>512673033 (OP)
Jewish and Black.

>>512673033 (OP)
You might want to look up what color the statues were painted.

>>512673033 (OP)

The science is settled. They were Spaniards

>>512673033 (OP)
Mediterranean and Alpine caucasoids like Italics have always been, with rarer Dinaric and Nordic types thrown here and there
Severus was disgusted by the sight of a nigger soldier btw, North Africans are not that dark and even though I don't like Nafris i hate attempts to niggerwash them

Closest genetic relatives to the original Romans before imperial mass immigration are Spanish people

lol you fucking stupid indians and niggers reslly shouldnt have anything at all. no internet access not even human rights.

we wuz dem kangz up in dat rome n sheeeeit nigga jus lak we wuz dem muhfuggin kaaaaangz up in egyp nigga! rememba? memba dem peermeidz n sheeeit nigga? black KANGZ had da yt man build dem peermeidz fo us kang ass niggaz u feel me nigga?

>>512673033 (OP)
most of them were peruvians

>>512673340

>>512673340
Central italians have the highest roman blood tf are talking about?

>>512673427
EL PERUANO: DURANTE SU
NIÑEZ... ES OBLIGADO A ESTUDIAR
ALGEBRA..MEDICINA... LLEVAR LIBROS CONTABLES
``EL PERUANO ``SIEMBRA`` CONTACTOS DE NEGOCIOS`` Y HACE TRABAJOS
EN LA INDUSTRIA DE SERVICIOS!!..el PERUano NO NECESITA BAÑARSE , NI ESTUDIAR ,
NI IR A LA ESCUELA , AL COLEGIO NI LA UNIVERSIDAD YA QUE ES UN SER EDUCADO DIESTRO,
EXTROVERTIDO , SENSIBLE , CORRECTO , FINO , AGRADABLE

-QUE ES PERUano EN ``LATÌN ???

*``AMERICANUS CAESAR MAXIMUS``

¿ COMO RECONOCER A UN PERUano NO ES FACIL DADO A SUS GRANDES DONES, PERO AQUI CITAMOS VARIAS CARACTERISTICAS COMUNES:

0- SON HERMOSOS, NOBLES, IMPORTANTES...HONESTOS
1- SON BLANCOS, COLOR LECHE, TIRANDO PARA PLATEADOS, PARECEN NORDICOS
2- SON ALTOS, 2M10 A 2M20, PARECEN GIGANTES ANDINOS
3- SON PATAS LARGAS, VERDADEROS ADONIS DE LA NATURALEZA
4- TIENEN UN ESCULPIDO CULO, ESPECIALMENTE SUS GUAPAS MUJERES
5- TIENEN CUELLO MUSCULOSO, PARECEN FISICOCULTURISTAS
6- TIENEN UNA NARIZ PROPORCIONADA, DE MODELO, O ACTOR DE HOLLYWOOD
7- SON RUBIOS O PELIRROJOS, YA LOS ESPAÑOLES LOS LLAMABAN ASI
8- SON MILLONARIOS Y NO TIENEN DEUDAS
9- TIENEN UNA RIQUEZA CULTURAL PROMINENTE
10- TIENEN CARA DE EUROPEO GERMANICO , ESTOS CARA DE DIOSES DEL OLIMPO

>>512673289
>like Italics have always been

“Everything was now in the hands of freedmen; the senators were mere shadows, their voices drowned out by those who had once been slaves.” - Tacitus, Annals 13.27

“The Quintii, the Valerii, and the other ancient patricians have perished, and in their place you see freedmen from the East, with their swarthy skins, wearing the toga.” - Augustus, Cassius Dio, Roman History 56.1

“Many of those who claim the name of Romans are not of our blood but are foreigners who have taken refuge here. If we do not encourage our own citizens to multiply, then soon the city will be theirs, not ours.” - Cassius Dio, Roman History 56.7

average.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi7673

“Despite comprising diverse individuals of central European, northern African, and Near Eastern ancestry, the local gene pool is largely maintained across the first millennium BCE. This drastically changes during the Roman Imperial period where we report an abrupt population-wide shift to ~50% admixture with eastern Mediterranean ancestry."

>>512673468
>we wuz niggers

>>512673468
It's a xitter shitpost that somehow found its way here, the story behind it is quite retarded

we wuz romans

>>512673522
>The Quintii, the Valerii, and the other ancient patricians have perished,
Thank God 1% of the population (the senatorial class) doesn't account for much in raw demographic terms

we wuz tanned vikangs

>WE WUZ ROMANZ AND JEEET

Romans were woke. They made a literal tranny emporer.

>>512673033 (OP)
latin mostly

>>512673033 (OP)
Well, he wasn't fucking Indian. Ew.

>>512673247
this and they actually know what colors they were painted which was mostly white. they were whiter than jews

>>512673485
you forget our big dicks italian twinks like to suck

>>512673773
This was painted less than 600 years ago
>>512673780
Trve....

>>512673644
They were a lot of things. The empire lasted a long time.

>>512673033 (OP)
Septimius Severus was a Liby-Phoenician man from Leptis Magna.
I quibble with facial reconstructions like these on account of Roman Imperial portraiture not actually representing how the actual ruler looked. Did the famously bald Augustus look like a 17-year old boy into his 70's? No - he did not.

>>512673773
I doubt that. Roman women didn’t want to wear light colored wigs since blonde hair was associated with slaves and prostitutes (aka Germans). They were swarthy as modern south Italians.

>>512673902
The statue also omitted his unibrow and bent nose lol, funny how many people don't know how extensively imperial imagery was modified

>>512673033 (OP)
Severus killed the empire so it checks out

>>512673033 (OP)
I dont get why you whites are so against us. We come here to study and have a better life. We dont bother anyone, you guys are probably just fucking jealous you lose to us on tinder.

>>512673942
People are usually surprised when I say this but there isn't a massive phenotypical divide between northern and southern italians- on a 1 to 1 basis it's nearly impossible to tell who's from where until you ear their accent- you need to compare a large group of southerners to a large group of northerners to be able to kinda tell who is who based on the fluctuations of averages

All I'm saying is that if germanics and nordics were the actual romans, there'd be genetic evidence for it based on genetic material from ancient Rome.

>>512673102
>>512673069
>>512673033 (OP)
well considering we can just look at their own depictions of themselves...

>>512674120>>512674104
there would be evid-ACK

>inb4 white supremacist flag joins and starts ranting about lombardy

>>512674204
Why the uck does a blonde person have dark eyebrows? LOL

>>512674120
Exactly, as you can tell from both of those collages they had an appreciable phenotypical range like modern Mediterraneans, ranging from really light to really swarthy outliers with most being somewhere in the middle

here's more

>>512674298

>>512674204
Tbf you should post a wider range of stuff than just Late Roman mosaics, eg you could also post early Italic frescoes like these Samnite warriors

>>512674204
C'mon show us real blondes with dark eyebrows.

That's like dyed redheads whose eyebrows don't match the hair.

>>512674341
So you're implying they didn't do that?

>>512674341
That's wood and canvas my american friend, not a stone or glass mosaic nor a fresco. I take you aren't very familiar with restoration or classical art in general

>>512673773
That's The School of Athens, completed in 1511. I bet you didn't know the author was Raphael Sanzio da Urbino.

>>512674425
There's nothing weird in portraits of blonde or ginger people in Rome, they have always been a consistent minority in the Italian peninsula since Etrurian times at the very least, likely earlier
Though ofc it must be noted he is mostly posting late Roman stuff, as it can be desumed from the art style or, in case one doesn't know much about Roman artistic progression, from the fact the Romans are wearing pants or that their panoply consists of spears and round shields and spathae instead of gladii, pila and scuta, and by the late empire Rome was getting germanicized. Earlier Roman and Italic stuff seems to have more swarthier types instead.

Niggers

>>512674527
A lot of people, primarily from the anglosphere, have a tendency to just see columns, togae and marble and assume it was made in ancient Rome/Greece.
I've seen people say Michelangelo's David, Trevi Fountain and the Altar to the fatherland were made in Roman times lol

>>512674569
Well yeah, but why would they give them dark eyebrows? Blonde people do not have dark eyebrows. So why the mismatch?

>>512674076
It's true, but anglo racism and race theory is a huge (((D&C))) against humanity. Italians should realize their enemies is the anglos.

>>512674703
Idk, eyebrow hair is usually a bit darker than head hair and mosaics only have a limited range of colours as opposed to frescoes and paintings which allow for less nuance I guess

>>512673644
Don’t believe that leftoid propaganda. They want you to believe that every piece of white history was full of faggotry but there’s no evidence the Roman’s openly supported any of that shit.

>>512674819
>Italians should realize their enemies is the anglos.
I already have and am currently trying to get my countrymen there

>>512674661
ROFL

>>512673644
Those accounts are hostile. They’re calling him a faggot, they’re not happy he was like that. That faggot was installed as emperor due to conspiracy and they killed him shortly after.

>>512674930
I wouldn't really lump Slavs in with Germanics, they have suffered too much at their hands to deserve that. Also they haven't been that destructive to us anyway

>>512673033 (OP)
Patricians were usually blonde and had coloured eyes.
Nearly all patrician derived emperors were light haired with coloured eyes and pale skin.
Ancient romans looked like middle italians today. Lombard DNA is heavily overstated as they were outnumbered by the romans they conquered.
Like saying the sicilians are all blonde and blue eyed because the normans conquered them.
It is retarded and only people who have no idea how demographics work and have a child's understanding of history would presume it to be true. 100k people moving into a country of 5 million and taking up their leader roles is not going to change the dna of the 5 million that much.

>>512675015
I know, I've been trying to make other divisions on that map (mainly Eastern and Central Europe), but the borders are a problem because some Europeans get offended if they're categorized with some of their neighbors.

>>512673565
> didn't read or understand the second paragraph
You must be one of those fabled niggers I keep hearing about.

>>512675048
>Lombard DNA is heavily overstated as they were outnumbered by the romans they conquered.
>Like saying the sicilians are all blonde and blue eyed because the normans conquered them.
Completely correct, you're one of the few people to realize this
Only note: we have no evidence, neither genetic nor in the form of written remarks, Patricians were significant blonder (or darker) than the average, though there may have been minor fluctuations as there will likely be within any two given groups. If anything, off the top of my head, Sulla, who was both blond and a patrician, stood out precisely among his peer because of his blondness, suggesting they didn't have Scandinavianlike rates of blondism

>>512675048
What if these patricians actually were jewish, like the elites that govern you currently? Jews also have blonde hair and blue eyes.

>>512673033 (OP)
Severan dynasty was a disaster.

>>512675189
>because some Europeans get offended if they're categorized with some of their neighbors
I think I know that you're primarily talking about Polish people here lol.

>>512675204
Which one Ivan Sosunkov there's so much shit ITT I lose track of some of it

>>512675048
Not this shit again...

BTW, GENETIC studies have DEBUNKED you here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx90MPXeagw

>>512675230
>I know that you're primarily talking about Polish people
LOL, I was going to mention them as an example

>>512675206
If they were actually, really blonde, Polemon would probably also not have said something like this while being under roman rulership.

>>512675315
They remind me of those Padania spergs begging to be called Mitteleuropean
Completely spiritually buckbroken, actually sad to see

>>512675288
Funny, Trajan loved Polemon, gave him special rights. And Polemon wrote that >>512675425
while Trajan was blonde. That's something.

>>512673033 (OP)
Saptamanas Savareesh

they were niggers

>>512675425
Yeah I don't think rates of blondism in Roman Italy were sky high either, there's no visual nor written nor genetic proof demonstrating anything like that, if anything they were likely within modern rates ranging from 10 to 20% depending on gender and geographic location
Frankly idk why some NW Europeans, primarily their anglosphere diaspora, feel so triggered at the fact people on avg a shade darker reached civilization before them. Italians don't seethe because Mesopotamians reached civilization before us.

>>512675586
NW Europeans sometimes go as far as to claim Mesopotamians were white, and if not that, they bring in Ancient Aliens or Atlantis.

>>512675794
Yeah it's really sad how they do that, subsaharan wewuzzing I can at least understand because they've got very little going on for them today like 500 years ago, but NW Europeans have accomplished enough in the past 2 centuries alone that they shouldn't feel so insecure and try to claim that no one on Earth could have ever stacked two bricks together if not for ancient Nordic kangs ordering them around. It's frankly really pityful to see, it reeks of insecurity and fragility; us Italians, for all our faults, do not feel the compulsive need of reimagining ourselves as omnipresent ancient aristocrats hidden behind the creation of every civilization.

>>512676008
True. It's really pitiful.

>>512673033 (OP)
NIGGERS
EVERYBODY WAS NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS

>>512675048
>55 posts later
finally. Suetonius describes the majority of the first 12 emperors as having blonde hair and blue eyes.
in the space of 10 years /pol/ has gone from having the most well read anons to a board full of room temperature IQ newfags.

>>512676008
They were insecure for 1,000 after the Roman Empire fell. One of the reasons protestantism spread was through the RACIAL HATRED against Italics, from Luther's usage of the term "romanists" to some anglo using term "romish" (romish beads referring to the rosary). Even before protestantism, SOME Germanic princes were already displaying an inferiority complex; that's why the name of the "Holy Roman Empire" (which was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire) was changed to the "Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nations". For the good of Europeans, EVERYONE should distance away from the anglos, there is no way all the suffering of humanity (from genocides to poverty) is going to be forgiven. We saw a glimpse with the Irish fighting back against England's oppression a few decades prior.

>>512676387
>blonde
You keep using the English word, but not the Latin word... why?

You DO know Romans didn't speak English, right?

>Let the people that do not look like us and are from another people rule us
>american flags
Sounds like projection.

>>512673033 (OP)
What about the Romans?
If they see King Jesus Crowned
Do you think they will just stand around
Cheering and applauding?

>>512676387
Does he? My memory must be faulty, I only remember Sieglin translating every latin adjective relating to hair (from "light brown" to "flowing") as "blond" to make his case. Truth is /pol/ was always low IQ wignats circlejerking over how smart they are- plebbit for right wingers, basically.

>>512673033 (OP)
Israelites. Therefore White/Aryan

>>512676604

Finally the true answer.

>>512673033 (OP)
They were mediterranean, Latin, Celtic and Germanic. Also known as white

>>512676447
>One of the reasons protestantism spread was through the RACIAL HATRED against Italics
Yeah that is a good point and very few people know of this, protestantism absolutely had a racial element to it and Luther clearly hated Iberians and Italics. He was also a coprophiliac btw

>>512673468
Brother check this out https://youtu.be/YhIXW2rnm-U?si=YBQMf0konUyA1CUG

>>512676639
Sadly that truth is kept hidden from most people.

>>512676557
Most of the wewuzzing and over half of the hatred against non-Germanic European groups (Italians especially) comes from Americans and other anglospheric mystery meat, I have observed. There comes a point where one just looks at immigration patterns into their countries and laughs, because who gives a fuck if people who hate me die off?

>>512673033 (OP)
They were clearly Chinese

>>512674341
Yep it's brown ppl who painted images white throughout history

>>512675794
Part of that is the nebulous cutoff point for what "white" is. To a lot of people white is just nordicism. To others it's a much broader category that would include Arabs and nafris. Its a category without a real she's upon definition beyond the vague European generic cluster as a starting point

>>512676747
True, I also always say, let those Africans and Middle Easteners pause through. They want to go to France, the UK, Germany.

>>512676920
Exactly, and while at it why not providing them with boat and plane tickets for the Americas too, I say?

>>512673033 (OP)
Severes were a literal Syrian imigrant family, which still wasn't even remotely that dark. Not even yemenis are that dark. IT's like the first poster said: pure jeet fantasy

>>512673340
Is this another D&C by anglos to get South Europeans (aka the REAL Occident) to among themselves?

>>512677140
It's from a xitter spat involving a franco,-belgian sperg who got bullied by frog nationalists because of his partial andalusian descent and started larping as iberian and sperging at italians to compensate
Hilarious stuff really

>>512677254
Sounds basically like those Chuds from the US. Or mexicans acting as white nationalists and all that stuff.

>>512677336
It's what we call "mongrel complex", more common in the new world for obvious reasons but can happen anywhere

>>512673644
He was a teenager installed by his mother iirc
He was batshit insane and everyone was happy when he died

german
/thread

>>512673033 (OP)
>What race were Ancient Romans?
Sand niggers.

>>512677254
LMAO

,exicans and nafris larp as ancient Romans.

>>512673456
Wow look you found a picture of people mostly descend from the MOORS. Where did they come from again?

>>512673942
Also patrician Roman women covered their hair, while slave women were banned from doing so.

>>512674076
Trvke

>>512673033 (OP)
They were NOT black or swarthy, constantines son, or son in law had blond hair. Look at the bust of ceaser and tell me that's a nigger.

>>512673549
Greek mosaics subject left to right take a look at the whole mosaic that you image is trimmed from and you will notice a rider on a very large black horse that has the spears from the men of the right image heading towards it.
What you are showing is a basic soldier not The subject title of the work.

>>512673549
>>512680430

Alexanders image has been deliberately defaced on that mosaic note the rider of the very obvious bucepheles is destroyed .

>>512673033 (OP)
Most like modern south french or something

>>512673942
>prostitutes (aka Germans)
2k years, and most things never change

>>512676499
>>512676567
Emperor Reign Hair Colour Source Eye Colour Source
Augustus 27 BC-AD 14 "blond-haired" (subflavum) Suetonius, 79 "grey-eyed" (glauci) Pliny, XI, 143
Tiberius AD 14-37
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"grey/blue-eyed" (caesii) Pliny, XI, 142
Caligula AD 37-41 "golden-bearded" (aurea barba) Suetonius, 52; cf. Sieglin (1935) 105
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Claudius AD 41-54 "grey/white-haired" (canitieque) Suetonius, 30 "grey-eyed" (γλαυκόφθαλμος) Malalas, X, 246
Nero AD 54-68 "blond-haired" (subflavo) Suetonius, 51 "grey/blue-eyed" (caesis) Suetonius, 51
Galba AD 68-69 "grey/white-haired" (μιξοπόλιος) Malalas, X, 258 "blue-eyed" (caeruleis) Suetonius, 21
Otho AD 69
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Vitellius AD 69 "redheaded" (πυρράκης) Malalas, X, 259; cf. Sieglin (1935) 110 "grey-eyed" (γλαυκός) Malalas, X, 259
Vespasian AD 69-79 "grey/white-haired" (πολιός) Malalas, X, 259 "wine-coloured eyes" (οινοπαης τους οφθαλμούς) Malalas, X, 259
Titus AD 79-81 "blond-haired" Sieglin (1935) 109
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Domitian AD 81-96 "blond-haired" (ξανθός) Malalas, X, 262 "grey-eyed" (γλαυκός) Malalas, X, 262
Nerva AD 96-98 "grey-haired" Day (2001) 106
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Trajan AD 98-117 "golden-haired" (caesaries) Sieglin (1935) 109
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Hadrian AD 117-138 "dark-haired" (κυανοχαιτα) Sieglin (1935) 112 "grey-eyed" (γλαυκόφθαλμος) Malalas, XI, 277
Antoninus Pius AD 138-161 "grey/white-haired" (πολιός) Malalas, XI, 280 "wine-coloured eyes" (οινοπαης τους οφθαλμούς) Malalas, XI, 280
Marcus Aurelius AD 161-180
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Lucius Verus AD 161-169 "blond-haired" (flaventium) Sieglin (1935) 110
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Commodus AD 180-192 "blond-haired" (ουλόξανθος) Malalas, XII, 283; cf. Sieglin (1935) 106 "grey-eyed" (υπόγλαυκος) Malalas, XII, 283

>>512681293
>ξανθός
You don't know what that word means.