>>512678351 (OP)Well Russia isnt in any position it hasnt been in like 20 times in its history, and come back from.
meanwhile Ukraines barely an independent ethnicity thats had most of its next generation flee to other countries or die in the trenches.
the scar this will leave on Russia when they collapse is negligible, if at all existent. they'll just find another strongman leader, lick their wounds for another few decades, then repeat as always.
Ukraine, however, is already a nation irreversibly changed, and not for the better.