his is how this shitshow will end
>Ukraine gets back all land outside of the 4 oblasts
>Russia gets Crimea, all of Luhansk, what they have now in Kherson; and some of Donetsk and Zaporizhzia depending on what is negotiated
>DMZ set up along front line
>Russia gets sanctions relief
>Ukraine gets EU membership
>Russia gets recognition of its land
>Ukraine gets security guarantees but NO NATO
Any questions? copes? seethes?

>>512719950 (OP)
now show the khazaria map

>>512719950 (OP)
14:1
:
1

I don't think that's how it will end, but you sound salty about the petrol prices in your American raion.

>>512719950 (OP)
ukraine needs to dissolve EU needs to aggressively claim land for collatoral, UK needs to get nuked

as long as the killing stops, i'll be happy.

>>512720139
you forgot to change your VPN

Yeah sure Donny is going to give putin land he never conquered.

He's a cuck but not that deep.

>>512720099
The Ukraine lost and all you NAFOtroons have left is cringe memes made by senile boomers and CIA fags
Good luck next time

>>512719950 (OP)
it's going to end when a Ukrainian patriot finally gets a clean shot at Zelenskii
As long as he's in office, the meat grinder will go brrrrr, and he's not allowing elections
Only one way to end it

>>512719950 (OP)
Basically Russia obtains the bulk of Ukraine's natural resources.

>>512720250
no u

>>512719950 (OP)
>Ukraine gets back all land outside of the 4 oblasts
Possible.
>Russia gets sanctions relief
Some sanctions. Probably the minor ones.
>Ukraine gets EU membership
Unlikely
>Russia gets recognition of its land
Not officially. Nobody is going to accept the borders. Pointless.
>Ukraine gets security guarantees but NO NATO
It won't get shit.

>>512719950 (OP)
>Ukraine gets EU membership.
Nah dude, moldova and Albania have double the median wage of Ukraine and will be waiting for some time

>>512720099
Irrelevant. Humans are expendable.

>>512720397
>>512720402
>>512720206
honestly I only put in the EU thing because I've seen it mentioned so many times as something that's part of a deal.
I don't really care whether they're in the EU or not and it won't be a deal breaker for Trump lol. Does Russia care?

>>512719950 (OP)
the shitshow will not end untill the ukraine is wiped off the map

>>512720099
>source: jewish people

>>512720279
>it's going to end when an English patriot finally gets a clean shot at Washington

>>512719950 (OP)
Im seething if i dont get more dead russian communists, every communist must die

>>512720486
I don’t want them in EU just their land whatever protactorate that hold kyiv can call itself shitcraine zverything west of it needs to go to poland/romania/slovakia whole coast needs to be claimed

>>512720632
Well just wait for antifa to chimp out more and you'll see more dead commies

>>512720721
Yes thats good, more dead commies the better, i dont want the pace of marxists dying, after all 70% of russians view Stalin or Lenin as the greatet modern world leaders so 70% of Russia must die.

>>512720632
My ideal would be this turning into an India/Pakistan situation where they have some skirmishes that kill people, but change nothing all the time. For a few weeks both sides throw drones and shells at eachother, some cqc, and then it ends. Would be kino

>>512719950 (OP)
>Ukraine gets EU membership

the problem here is that Ukraine is really-really poor even by russian standards, and requires enormous amount of gibs

It can easily destroy EU from within

>>512719950 (OP)
> Ukraine gets EU membership
This would be vetoed by quite a few members. Ukraine is destroyed, a failed state, they are not fit to become a member, they don't meet any single one of the requirements. The EU would break apart if the commission tried to force this. It's plain impossible for the time being. They might promise them membership for the future but the EU probably ends before Ukraine becomes fit to join.

>>512719950 (OP)

>>512720099
Make it 28:1 you still lost.

>>512719950 (OP)
This is. Aloss for Russia btw. After all this time and it managed to secure only one single oblast. Embarrassing

>>512720840
>>512720883
They're already on the fast track to membership though right?

>>512720840
>>512720883
EU membership without NATO membership is nonsense
without NATO guarantees russia will just wait 15 year for the EU to invest in Ukraine's infrastructure, then come and take it
it's either NATO first, then EU or nothing

>>512719950 (OP)
>russia says they want 4 regions
>yiu draw 2 regions and half of 2
you might be a retard

>>512721000
> fast track to membership
Another meme. Currently they are on a faster track to annihilation of their nation.

>>512720987
Neither side gets a clean win, those usually make the best deals. >>512721056
>they want
well then they should've been better at war
they're never getting the other side of the river in kherson, they haven't even tried to take Zaporizhzia city, and they've been bogged down in Donetsk since the beginning even though they're making progress.
It seems Russia wants to trade all the territory outside of the 4 oblasts for more of Donetsk.

>>512721000
fast-track to collapse

>>512721000
track to where? off a cliff? going to be more debt ridden than greece.

>>512721035
> EU membership without NATO membership is nonsense
It will be neither then.

>>512719950 (OP)
>nafo cope
zog is just trying for a Minsk 3 since they lost, Russia should agree to nothing or agree only to backstab immediately after. zog needs to stop wasting arms in jewkraine so they can attack Iran and China.

>>512721161
mhmm theres a reason zelensky isnt allowed in the meetings.

>>512721203
I just want more dead russian communists is that too much to ask?

>>512721266
we call do, Einar, we all do

>>512721035
>>512721126
>>512721170
>>512721190
I doubt Putin or Trump cares about their membership, Russia will probably just say they don't object to it.
That's up to the europeans desu.
>>512721246
This is just an introductory meeting for Trump and Putin as a way to have a bilateral meeting focused on Ukraine. After this there would be a Trump-Putin-Zelensky meeting.

>>512719950 (OP)
Putin proposed this because he knew that Zelensky and the Ukie nationalists will never agree to it.
He's trolling Trump.

>>512721266
> communists
Globohomo/EUSSR are more communist than Russia.

>>512721324
This.

>>512721266
Counter offer, you get dead ukrainians, they're the same shit anyways, but worth less

>>512721324
>Putin proposed this
>this
I just made it up lol, Putin's plan is they get all the oblasts they want.

>>512721322
bilateral meeting for a war where one of the sides isnt there? are you retarded? its a sign zelesnky is about to have to swallow a lot of concessions. that is some incredible mental gymnastics since the eu and ukraine (you know the guys in the war?) are not there.

>>512721322
>Russia will probably just say they don't object to it
of course Russia won't object to Ukraine's EU membership
but the EU would be retarded to accept Ukraine without NATO military guarantees
it's like asking to lose your investment

are ukrainians stupid? why they try to join nato in first place? they literally shot himself on the foot. They didnt won anything. Kikensky should be hanged on kyev

>>512721358
70% of russian think Stalin or Lenin were the greatest modern world leaders and 27% of russians voted for the russian communist party last election so no, no western europian country has a pro stalin communist party getting 27% of the vote.

>>512719950 (OP)
How about, Russia says fuck off, takes all of jewkrainia over the next few years after jewlensky runs out of banderite niggers and then Russia will border Poland, Baltics etc etc and you and nafo trannies will seethe for eternity

>>512721266
you’ll get more dead slavs regardless what happens

>>512721324
must be why the kike of kiev is trying his hardest to push a russian front somewhere to cause them to stall. lot of people are dying for it.

>>512721464
>takes all of jewkrainia
take Stinky first and please hurry, I'm getting old

>>512719950 (OP)
nice fanfiction bro. Can you point to Ukraine on a map?

More likely: The war continues. More sanctions. This should be a great deal for Russia because I have been told many times the sanctions don't work + they make Russia stronger + Russia is winning.

>>512721464
it's clear russia wouldn't take all of ukraine in 50 years. enough of the fighting ffs.
>>512721435
Russia doesn't want NATO missiles stationed in Ukraine. They can have security guarantees but not formal NATO membership.

>>512721435
sounds perfect for EU traitots but I doubt von leyen can pull it of would collapse the union we should go for landgrab

>>512719950 (OP)

The war isn't about land. It's about security. Unless, Trump agrees ro settle security issues we have been worrying for 25 years, this war of attrition will continue until the frontline collapses.

And that meeting will end just like any other, because so far no one wants to hear us.

>>512721234
Minsk deals were broked by Russia in Debaltseve and Donetsk airport

>>512721419
No it's a bilateral meeting, with some of it being about a war. But I agree with you desu.
Also the Europeans are fucking irrelevant. They're run by unhappy old women and aren't taken seriously by Russia or the US. That's why this has just been US-Ukraine-Russia talks. They want to inject themselves into it but they're not really a concern.

>>512721266
Commie shitskins like you will die along their subversions

>>512719950 (OP)
Nah Russians can't afford to have nato in Ukraine. Ukraine is ideal for a land attack on Russia. It can't be done through georgia/latvia/Finland

>>512721660
The US has been consistent under Trump there's no NATO membership for Ukraine.
>>512721524
>Can you point to Ukraine on a map?
But I posted a map of Ukraine.

>>512721413
Yes, but they don't want all of them, only the resource rich and strategically important. In my book this would be only Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk in addition to the currently occupied and partly occupied Oblasts. If I was Putin, I would not stop my war machine before I have these sacked and secured.

>>512721455
100% of Europeans live under the reign of Ursula who loves implementing socialism. Die commie kike die lmao

If an agreement is reached any time soon, it's unlikely that Russia will get any more or less than Donetsk and Luhansk. Ukraine doesn't get NATO membership but gets fast tracked to EU membership, which will still take a while lol. Nobody walks away from this one a winner I'm afraid.

>>512720402
Don't forget the other 10 balkan shitholes also on waitlist. Bulgaria is a bit better and still needed like 20 years before we pretended they were ready for the euro. Ukraine would need 1 full century to catch up to Poland and Croatia, let alone Portugal or Greece lol.

>>512721660
You have nuke
You are not in danger (unfortunately)
This is about your elites irredentism and refusal of ukrainian nationhood

>>512720632
>Im seething
Indeed, yes you are.
The war must continue. And no one will care about your deaths.

>>512719950 (OP)
Nah, this is not enough to provoke a big war in Europe. And there's no other way for kikes to explain the coming financial meltdown. They need another covid. Ukraine must collapse completely to embolden Russia to go further.

>>512721783
>100% of Europeans live under the reign of Ursula
You have no idea how EU works friend

>>512721688
all of the eu players are irrelevant in negotiations. as is ukraine. in 2022 Biden enacted a $90 billion dollar congresisonal budget for the war. It is now nearly out of money. We pay for their entire government to function including soldiers pay as well. There IS no money left and the EU isn't going to eat the cost. Ukraine is about to have to make some tough choices.

>>512721738
>can't be done through Finland

>>512721890
That's the thing my Ukrainian friend, they're not getting the big war they wanted :)

>>512720233
All I care about is unconditional surrender of nafo trannies

>picrel: bunker of last nafo tranny

>>512721413
There are massive cities in Donetsk Oblast that were basically Russian before the war started and the Russians haven't taken them yet.
Kramatorsk and the other... Slaviansk.

I doubt Putin will accept this.
Also, leaving Odessa to be a naval base of NATO (even if Ukraine doesn't join NATO) on the black sea on a fucking Russian city is probably not something the Russians are happy with either.

And there's no way Ukraine joins the EU. Because nobody wants Ukraiine in the EU, not even Poland. Ukraine would be a massive vaccum of funds for the EU and would have a permanently virulent anti Russian population hoping to bring all of the EU into a second war agaisnt Russia.

But it will be whatever the American jews decide and whatever Russia tolerates by not being willing to shed blood to prevent.

>>512719950 (OP)
My only cope is that NATO won’t honor this agreement. They can’t. NATO as it exists today is solely about boxing Russia in.

>>512719950 (OP)
Fixed it for you

>>512721957
Ponder the aroma

>>512721568
anything less than formal NATO membership isn't worth shit
only the biggest stick keeps the rabid dog in line
it's going to be all or nothing

>>512721419
The war is between the USA and Russia.
It's just fought with Ukrainian men and European cheering and resources.

>>512722040
I... I don't want to.
>>512722016
It looks like Putin is going to offer giving back all territories outside of the 4 oblasts in exchange for more of Donetsk. I doubt Ukraine accepts but if Pokrovsk falls and Russia keeps advancing they might want to accept the lose.

>>512719950 (OP)

ukraine will NEVER have (((security guarantees)))
the only guarantees of security ukraine will ever receive are simply lowering its tone when it speaks to Russia,
and stopping the nigger pitbull behavior its perpetrating on behalf of london
it will ONLY be the unilateral and unconditional surrender of the ukraine
period
the end
there isnt going to be some nato patrolled "demilitarized zone" on the Russian border

>it's called "losing a war to Russia", a common way for european empires to end

>>512721932
It can't you disgusting jungle mutt. It absolutely cannot be done.

>>512722047
then faggot nigger ukraine will get nothing, which is the only option it has

ukraine gets nothing

do you understand this?
ukraine will simply be lucky to be an intact nation after all this

>>512722104
that is obvious. ukraine has no autonomy, economy, industry, or land to really even offer. russias goal is to just get america out of the picture which is likely coming to a close. as meme worthy as israel made irans boogalloo out to be we are in the hole nearly a$80 billion for that shit.

>>512722141
What Ukraine wants is irrelevant.
Putin has not been a maximalist as he just claims the four oblasts he almost controls.
It's still bitchy because he doesn't control them.

>>512722216
nice reddit spacing, HIVan

>>512722158
>on behalf of london

>>512719950 (OP)
Zzzelensky says he's not giving up any land so THD continues

>>512720698
let's partition Belgium while we are at it.

>>512721435
> investment
So the EU would only help rebuild Ukraine if they first became NATO+EU member? There are objective obstacles to this scenario. In their current state Ukraine can't become neither NATO nor EU. They would first have to prove that they are a fit, stable, worthy and no incalculable risk. They need help with this or it will never happen.

>>512722276
youre not on /k/ you faggot nigger
>>512722303
yes, london

>>512722233
Indeed.
But I think the US wants this war.
Trump would have already ended it otherwise simply by stopping the support for Ukraine.

To the Americans (especially the elites) this is the end of the unipolar moment, lost to the country they hate most: The (supposedly) anti jewish and way too white Russia.

The Americans are witnessing the country they raped and laughed about it in the 90s becoming the unconstestable great power in (Eastern) Europe.
And they know that after Putin, whoever comes will be way more Nationalistic and bent on taking over Europe. Although not through a military invasion.

>>512722233
>russias goal is to just get america out of the picture which is likely coming to a close
What was the mineral deal about then mutt ?

>>512721745

>Ukraine

Ukraine is only a part of global picture. The part they willingly became. There are plenty of dangers to us coming from Finland, Baltics, Poland, etc. Only two countries so far are ready to talk - Hungary and Slovakia. They are exceptions which confirm the rule. The rest behaves irrational. I guess, in Eastern Europe there are only two candidates to survive the nuclear apocalypse.

>>512721817

>You have nuke

You do not understand how nuclear deterrence work. Too lazy to explain, but I say in military planning if someone can strike us - then it's necessary to assume they will. Especially if they keep doing what they are doing after our warnings. Also, nuclear deterrence works only if nukes can be launched prior or after nuclear strikes. That's why presence of hostile forces near our borders worries us. They can render our strategic defences useless.

>This is about your elites irredentism and refusal of ukrainian nationhood

"Let me tell you about your country". I won't even bother responding.

>>512722477
>yes, london
>Shows an agent for American jewery

>>512722410
>So the EU would only help rebuild Ukraine if they first became NATO+EU member?
yes, just like Poland first became a NATO member before the Germany put its first precious Lidl here to make profit
>In their current state Ukraine can't become neither NATO nor EU.
like I said, it will be all or nothing
as things stand today, it looks like nothing

>>512719950 (OP)
False. Rheinmetal is making too much $$$ right now. Europe is losing to China and needs a comeback and that’s going to happen through killing machine production. Shit is going to end up with WW3 where me and you will have to fight the Russian once again. Well, i won’t. Baltic states and Poland can go fight but me? Fighting for globohomo? Ain’t gonna happen.

>>512722477
>youre not on /k/ you faggot nigger
I'm up your mother's ass though, you shitstain

>>512722504
europe suicided itself in this insane vain war "For as long as it takes"

which we finally figured out what the
>"it"
was

and it was
>"for as long as it takes for ukraine to realize it lost"
and were finally fucking here, 3 years and 48hrs late

>>512720274
Uh-huh, uh-huh, quick question, Who controls Kyiv?

>>512719950 (OP)
Does Zelensky get hanged?

>>512722325
That's just posturing, he doesn't own the land anyway so saying that makes it seem like a big concession.
>>512722258
>What Ukraine wants is irrelevant.
Not necessarily. Trump will try to get them the best deal he can but ultimately Ukraine will have to agree.

>>512721520
Join Straż Graniczna so you can shoot assorted brown pooslimes lol.

https://files.catbox.moe/n05mrd.mp4

>>512721455
> 27% of russians voted for the russian communist party last election
About the same percentage voted SPD, Linke, Grüne in Germany. The fact that the Orthodox Church could gain tremendous influence in Russia proves that they are no longer commies. They push traditional values and ban degenerate tendencies, the opposite of what our Globohomo stooges do.

>>512722552
Trump genuinely wants normalized relations with Russia. He wants trade, cooperation, etc. I think ti's too far gone personally, but he also wants to try and decrease or reverse the China-Russia ties that have gotten so much closer over this.
It's been a terrible decision by the neoliberals who simply thought it wouldn't happen even though it was obvious it would.

>>512722641
How did Europe suicide itself with this war?
We didn't even have a say on it!

>>512722552
>There are plenty of dangers to us
Lol.

>>512722615
There will be a military build up regardless, Europe needs to restock it's armories so the MIC will make money anyway.

>>512722625
youre gunna wish you were the day the ink drys on ukrains official surrender

its going to be fucking hilarious to dunk on you faggot pussy /k/ twerps

>>512722750
>shoot assorted brown pooslimes
if only it worked tha way
that one solider who actually shot in the general direction of an illegal immigrant crossing the border got a military court case in his face
our government is soft like yesterday's pudding

>>512722354
back to shitcraine pig we need you in the mine

>>512719950 (OP)
There is no reason for Russia to agree to this. If you did not notice, Russia is in the middle of successful summer offensive, hohols on other hand:
1)falling back everywhere
2)have critical shortage of manpower(which is ridiculous considering their permanent mobilization)
3)have problems with logistics going all the way into EU.
4)Getting pounded by rapidly increasing number of drones, 6000+ Geranes july alone.

In this situation Russia makes demands, not concessions.

>>512722775
You’re talking to a nafonigger don’t waste your breath or any meaningful effort at that

>>512721464
> all of jewkrainia
Why? It's not worth the hassle. They want the resource rich parts and the rest to become a nice mostly demilitarized buffer to NATO.

>>512722779
>How did Europe suicide itself with this war?
europe economically shattered as a result of funding this shit,
and you have been completely demilitarized in every meaningful way

>>512722852
>youre gunna wish you were
it's cheap and recommended by many

>>512722521
>thinks ukraine even has control of the minerals in the deal
they lost all but the last lithium deposit south kiev

>>512722896
But if Russia can get 95% of what you want through talks, why fight it out?

>>512719950 (OP)
why would ukraine agree to that when Zelensky can keep on getting unlimited "assistance" directly into his bank account?

>>512722896
the idea Russia would ever leave some festering "DMZ" on its border for nato to set up shop on permenantly like SHIT korea is fucking so ludicrous it could only come out of a nafo shills mouth

>>512722926
britain is the dumbest. these guys are going down with them so i can see why they are so aggressive. france played it smart. poland lost a lot.

>>512722852
who stole his chin?

Uh, the hobols dont want an end, they want more money

>>512722994
>But if Russia can get 95% of what you want through talks, why fight it out?
Russia doesnt want to fight
its ukraine who refuses to surrender and is drawing out the conflict as long as it can using draft-vanned human sacrifices

>>512722852
is this a Syrian?
Why are poles so brown?

>>512722995
>unlimited
Europeans don't have the resources to do it

>>512722994
>But if Russia can get 95% of what you want t
You cut Kherson in your map, which is important part of Russia now, bridgehead over Dnepr.

>>512721932
It would be so much more difficult to route all the supplies up there and then the terrain....

>>512723054
poland and the uk went batshit insane with the hole
>"Putin must lose"
ideology and it utterly wrecked their nations, and in the case of poland got 10's of thousands of its (((Contractors))) killed

tons of british mercs for that matter too

>>512722896
Ok why does putin need to meet trump then?

>>512721890
> They need another covid
They will create it + climate emergency + false flag attacks here and there. Whatever it takes.

>>512722642
Some Jew whose term expired a long time ago

>>512723140
come on rooskie you know you're never getting across the river. I doubt Putin thinks he'll get that in talks anyway.
You'll get what you have in Kherson, what you have in Zaporizhiza, all of Luhansk, and then seemingly will try to negotiate for more of Donetsk.

>>512719950 (OP)
Not a question but some more speculation
>zelensky gets ousted
>a more moderate person gets elected
>eventually ukraine becomes belarus 2.0 (probably after putin dies).

>>512723278

Why not? It's not like he loses anything. If there is a chance to talk it's is quite obvious he should use it. But it most likely will end just like any other meeting.

>>512723212
yes, these are 100% undeniably Polish mercenaries
you can tell that by the pattern on their camo
lol

>>512723278
seeing an offer is free. accepting an offer is where it hits.

>>512723379
Russia would benefit from a peace deal because it would mean Ukraine would have elections. I assume that's something Russia is counting on.

>>512723436
why would russia want elections? zelensky is a terrible leader. russias biggest gain is that he is so awful as this war would be in a much better state if they ddint perform such horrendous offensives.

>>512723428
>yes, these are 100% undeniably Polish mercenaries
>you can tell that by the pattern on their camo
>lol
https://files.catbox.moe/2h5ej5.mp4

the absolute state of you nafo kikes
>"you wear your own countries uniform as a mercenary, like a sports team or something!"
holy fuck you poles are the dumbest people alive

>>512722104
> The war is between the USA and Russia.
But the EUSSR and Perfidious Albion seem to be much more interested in keeping it going than America (well, Trump i.e.).

>>512719950 (OP)
here's how it's really going to end.
>zelenskike wants to keep the war going last man standing style
>most of the male ukrainian population gets deleted
>putin gets all of ukraine by 2030
>zelenskike is given a new identity, a couple million dollars and a fancy designer villa in the US to live out the rest of his days for his loyal service to US interests

>>512723534
the leader of ukraine wouldn't matter for the battles on the ground, it matters for relations.
why do you think the color revolution happened in the first place?

>>512723278
Who knows,
1)show Trump what his, Trumps, influence over Hruckraine is limited(Zelensky already refusing to give up any land)
2)buy time for Russia to the max extent before North American Israel deep state kicks in with their new sanctions.
3)Play with morale of hohol civilians by offering them opportunity of deliverance from war in contrast with war until THD chant from Zelensky and London etc.

Many reasons.

>>512723436
>>512723534
it fundamentally no longer matters what seething idiot is incharge of ukraine, whoever is next will have to deal with the fallout of ukrainians coming to terms with how absolutely wrecked they are and how they went gleefully into natos sadistic meat grinder for "as long as it took" their entire nation to be reduced to a hopeless, blasted out moonscape

>>512722258
> It's still bitchy because he doesn't control them.
Just give him two more two more two more weeks and he does.

>>512723626
the leader is basically him and his old tv buddies making decisions. it very much influenced these offensives because investors wanted results. well they certainly dont see them nowadays. its actually incredible when you look at his cabinet how most of these clowns came from his old tv career.

Nothing is going to happen. The summit is just a photo op.
>Russia and US hash out some meme armistice deal
>Yidlensky refuses
>Trump says "I tried" and washes his hands of the whole business
>Eurocucks seethe
>Ukrainians continue their collective national suicide

>>512722258
>It's still bitchy because he doesn't control them.
yes they absolutely do you aboslute dogshit retard /k/ tard

>>512723780
No one is expecting much from the summit, it's just a first step.

>>512719950 (OP)
>Russia doesn't get anything
I don't think this carnival trick will work this time, Shlomo chan.

>>512723545
>https://files.catbox.moe/2h5ej5.mp4
the English captions do not correspond to what he's saying you pidor propagandist lmao
he says
>the fucking Poles COME AND GO IN THEIR KRABS
>here are six dead
never does he say the dead are Poles
the Poles come and go but the Ukrainians die
learn to Ukrainian if you want to not embarrass yourself

>>512723788
the black line is the extent of the 4 oblasts that voted to join the russian federation
>>512723823
what? you get sanctions relief, recognition of crimea and the gains in Ukraine, and no NATO membership for Ukraine. Stop being a bitch.

>>512719950 (OP)
You crazy. Ukraine will be active warzone forever. Like middle east.
Sometimes less, sometimes more. Always sabotage, always intelligence operations, always weapon sales, and always an active threat to guarantee increased funding flow into military sector of all nearby countries.

As a result most European regimes will slowly turn far-right and nationalistic to follow suit with US of A, without doing a crazy 180 like the latter did.

Without Odessa I doubt anything will come of it.
Why would Russia cease just after they increased productions of all weapons?
Both sides are happy in the current way that weapons manufacturing is bringing them money.
At the end of the day its all about how many zogbucks both sides can make. And China and India after like 4 years are officially taking Russias side after playing footsies with the West for a decade

Why stop when you're just ramping up?
It's not like Ukraine is really disturbing the lives of Russian citizens in general

>>512723898
you keep making it sound like russia is on the backfoot for some odd reason. they will get sanctions taken off even if ukraine collapses as europe wants the energy.

>>512724093
>you keep making it sound like russia is on the backfoot for some odd reason.
No I'm not, I'm saying Russia has a chance to save lives ffs. If they can make a deal to get what they want why continue fighting?

>>512722615
> a comeback and that’s going to happen through killing machine production
You seem to have no idea at what alarming rate German industry is dying. Rheinmetall can do shit on their own in a deindustrialized Germany. They currently leech on our dwindling substance.

>>512724056
It'll basically be the new East and West Germany.

>>512719950 (OP)
Or, hear me out:
>there is no peace
>conflict gets to the "last" ukrainian
>russia defacto controls whatever it wants in Ukraine, i mean ALL
>EU and US ignores the problem
>sanctions will still be in place for more 10+ years
>Russia naturally creates a NWO with China, because you're fucking retarded
>EU bleeds out money because no cheap gas

I fucking hate the EU leadership like you have no idea.

>>512724066
china and india have been on russia's side since day 1. when von der leyen from the EU commission tried to meet with modi from india to ask him to stop buying russian oil the indians cold-shouldered the bitch.

EUfaggots thought that playing the world's moral police is giving them geopolitical power while everyone else is engaging in realpolitik only.

>>512724139
so crimea has been under their control for over a decade. sanctions have nothing to do with soldiers lives. you keep making it sound like "they should just do it they'll get THIS small accomplishment". right now ukraine is basically set to collapse. the us is considering pulling out and investors n o longer see a benefit. you should be under the impression ukraine is about to swallow some hard truths in a bit and be more worried about what they will even have left in the end. not russia.

>>512724056
Damn, anon, you're a crazy retarded son of a bitch...

>>512719950 (OP)
It was well worth it to waste up to 2 million dead pidors for those gains I guess.

>>512724391
Nigger, you live worst than people in Africa.

>>512724330
Neither Ukraine or Russia is about to collapse ffs.
Neither Ukraine or Russia is about to take all the territory they want.
It's over. Make a deal to save lives.

>>512724273
>EUfaggots thought that playing the world's moral police is giving them geopolitical power while everyone else is engaging in realpolitik only.

Yep.
This would even be called mental illness if it was not called "sucking on the judeo-american cock"

>>512724139
Russia wanted more even before, but especially after what a shitshow it has been they need to do better than just a land connection to Crimea and minerals in Donbass.

They already had natural resources before, the true reasons to keep fighting are political control and power.

>>512724473
>Make a deal to save lives.

>>512724273
No at the start of the war china was happy to sell drones to both sides. Ukraine was getting Chinese drones from Pakistan for a while and India was still not taking any sides officially

This year china literally said
>No more weapons to Ukraine even through middle men
And increased investments into giving Russia more technology
While India literally made peace with china just to continue buying Russian oil EVEN after being threatened by the West to stop doing so

To think that India would stand up for its own national interests after capitulating to the West for almost a decade is really unprecedented

I 10000% believed they would fold immediately
Something economically is brewing and I think the dollar no longer has the same allure as it once did, or they know something we don't to make such a hard stance after playing both sides for so long

>>512724066
>weapons manufacturing is bringing them money
I don't think you understand how MIC works in Russia. Most of weapon contractors are in debt to the state. The only way to become rich is through criminal scheme, by making a deal with a high rank general from MoD for a bribe where he signs a inadequately high priced per unit order. Dozens of generals went to prison for this prewar activity in the last few years.

You cannot become rich by just making weapons for the state, are you are usually part of this state apparatus.

>>512724499
Yea I agree I don't think they care about the resources. Russia has enough of them regardless, it's about territory.

>>512724473
you must be blind then. we foot 65% of their entire economy. their soldiers are paid by us from money biden approved through congress. that money is out bud. their entire government is basically held up by us at the moment. the wierd thing is its not even a secret yet you act shocked about it.

>>512720099
All your shilling for ukraine was for nothing lol
hope a pack of niggers kill you)
1000 Hohols die for 1 Russian.

>>512720099
>14:1
>not 16:9 or 21:9

>>512724584
the government will let you get rich through bribes and will turn a blind eye to corruption
until you fall out of political favor for whatever reason
then they will bring you up on corruption charges
and you either go gulag for 20 years
or accidentally fall out the balcony after having slipped on a banana peel

>>512722926
You live in bizarro world? Russia is the one spending 40% of government budget on the war
Europe's funding for this is a drop in the bucket in comparison

I like how nafo is desperately trying to claim the war will end now and Ukraine won. Like everyone is gonna magically forget Zelensky and Budanov and Zaluzhny saying all of Ukraine's territory would be restored. Russia's military capacity isn't even broken, their numbers are up, their factories are producing, they're still selling oil. Ukraine still has zero EU or NATO treaties, if the war ended tonight, it could resume in a week.

>>512719950 (OP)
It sounds logical, but it still leaves Ukraine as an independent, well-armed and venomously anti-russian state right on russia's borders. So, it only sets the stage for Three-Day SMO vol. 2.0.
Also, sanctions against russia are not going anywhere.
So, no, with a little thought, it won't work out for more than a couple of months. Maybe 1-2 years.

>>512724642
My point is if the fighting and death can be stopped through talks, why not talk?

>>512724093
>they will get sanctions taken off even if ukraine collapses as europe wants the energy.
The US literally commited several major acts of international industrial terrorism just to stop Russian resources flowing into EU. They certainly won't allow that relationship to be restored anytime soon. Especially now that Trump has shown how responsive the Eurocucks are to cracking the tariff whip.
>>512724139
>If they can make a deal to get what they want why continue fighting?
That was true 3 years ago. Far too much has been invested since then to just settle for some meme recognitions and promises. We need a proper Endloesung der Piggerfrage.

>>512724857
3 years ago you just wanted the DPR and LPR ffs, you've gotten way way more now. And it's not Trump's fault the talks were subverted at the beginning.

Ukraine will get all of their land back because Russia is losing so badly that they will literally lose the war

>>512724093
>europe wants the energy
leftie fascism has grown too strong among the EU bureaucracy. they've undermined all important positions. they would happily set all of europe on fire if it pleases their ideology.

>>512724778
>or accidentally fall out the balcony after having slipped on a banana peel
This is the way of top managers in our oil/gas industry, 13 fell off from window or died from heart attack, generals simply go to prison.

>>512724842
you have a lot of baggage with these "talks" as you say.

>>512725088
should be good for you then because you have no way to provide the energy under lefties. you cant keep paying the exorbitant rates the US offers you right?

>>512724782
europe plain cannot afford to funnel such amount of monies into a war. pushing diversity has ruined social cohesion; good luck shutting down the welfare systems in favor of drone and ammo production. trump was right when he said that lazy euroshits weren't pulling their weight in NATO and relying on uncle sam to come save them in case of an emergency.

>>512719950 (OP)
No. How about you go suck more zigger cock, rooster?

>>512725206
this means the top managers know much more than the generals

>>512725423
lol wait is rooster a play on rooskie? if so that's pretty funny

This is not a lasting peace, Kiev is a Russian city and must return home.

>>512725469
no, the russian word for rooster is also prison slang for bottom faggot

>>512725331
devilish cougars like von der leyen can suck quite a mean cock. 30min of sucking trump's dick in the men's restroom at the next NATO summit and she will make him drop the tariff percentage by half. there's a reason why she only fails upwards in her career, if you catch my drift.

>>512725518
Not a tiny bit German? Nikolai, I'm disappoint.

>>512725611
has 7 kids so she did a lot of pound town in the past. she isnt even from germany i dont know why you listen to her.

>>512719950 (OP)
seems like russia will emerge victorious from alaska.
russia has been capturing territory for months, ukraine lacks infantry, soldiers are fleeing the battlefield.
shaheds strike kyiv while TCC are kidnapping people. ukrainians don't want to fight for country.
and ukraine won't get into eu anytime soon

>>512720258
Putin really got on Trump's bad side when he kept bombing Ukraine while on the phone with him. He's no fan of Zelensky but at least Zelensky apologized to trump is willing to sit with putin. Putin is trying too hard to be the boss like Trump but that manlet is pushing it. Releasing that hot Russian ballerina after 15 months is a start. My prediction is putin was pressing trump to see what he'll do and now that trump will likely side with Ukraine and sanction tf out of Russia, putn will likely chill out for the moment until Bibi makes another bold move against hezbollah

>>512720402
>>512721798
doesn't matter in the least, the EU stopped pretending to give a shit about its own rules a while ago
they want Ukraine in so their audits will find that Ukraine meets every requirement, be it about economy, transparency, rule of law, legal harmonization or minority rigths

it's literally illegal to say "Good morning!" in Hungarian in Ukrainian state buildings and the EU doesn't see the problem

>>512726010
bibi wants to stage a full occupation of gaza so putin won't have to wait very long.

>>512719950 (OP)
>>Ukraine gets EU membership
Probably no
>>Russia gets recognition of its land
Certainly no, except maybe Crimea

Agree with other posts

What about NATO expansion, what about the military size limit for Ukraine, what about western weapons flow, Russia will certainly demand these.

> inb4 thread is already flooded with 15 rubbles bots

>>512726010
Trump never really applied pressure to Putin. Ukraine only started to play ball when Trump withheld aid for a week. And even now Ze is getting uppity

>>512720099
Literally vatnigger tier opinion, its not 14:1 is 14:0... I dare you to google just ONE ukrainian who has died. Like google cemetery in Odessa. The ziggers did not kill anyone.

>>512722615
>Rheinmetall
Yeah, good luck making bank with steel production in "green" germany.

>>512719950 (OP)
>but NO NATO
then its worthless
>Russia gets recognition of its land
never happening

>>512724473
>>512724330
Both Ukraine and Russia can suddenly collapse. Ukrainian army can collapse. Russian economy can collapse and if the economy goes so will the Russian mercenary army. I honestly find it bizarre that both Russia and Ukraine seem to be so unwilling to make compromises for peace, both can lose badly if this continues

>>512725584
Ah, I don't keep up with the /ugh/-/chug/ tier shitposting. I still don't know what a vatnik is.
>>512726214
No NATO membership for Ukraine, and how the fuck would you even impose a "military size limit" on Ukraine? That was never going to happen.

>>512726480
But you know why that won't happen? Because nothing ever happens.

>>512720279
it's going to end when a Russian patriot finally gets a clean shot at Putin
As long as he's in office, the meat grinder will go brrrrr, and he's not allowing elections
Only one way to end it

>>512720099
this is getting inflated like the holohoax

>>512723132
>money to ukraine to defend against invaders
:(
>money to israel for no reason
:)

>>512726480
russia hasnt changed its ukraine that acts like a nigger in the meetings. do you not notice how every time russia is about to begin negotiating ukraine trys to perform an offensive? i also think the country completely fuelded by foreign aid and investor sentiment is far more likely to collapse than whatever head game you use to make them look like they are on the same playing level.

>>512724857
>The US literally commited several major acts of international industrial terrorism just to stop Russian resources flowing into EU
Vatnigger lie
> They certainly won't allow that relationship to be restored anytime soon. Especially now that Trump has shown how responsive the Eurocucks are to cracking the tariff whip.
Le ebil American puppet masters over Russia, the most honest, open, good faith nation on earth. Fuck you.

>>512719950 (OP)
nice fantasy, but here's how it will end: WITH TOTAL HOHOL DEATH DOWN TO THE LAST HOHOL

>>512725518
forgot to change your flag comrade

>>512726501
>I still don't know what a vatnik is.
a vatnik is a blind supporter of Putin
usually middle aged or older
older russians wear these warm quilted jackets filled with cotton wool
cotton wool is vata in russian
simple

>>512721828
I wonder how much BRC she took before she killed herself?

>>512725518
Shouldn't have withdrawn from the area thinking the Biden era overlords of Ukraine would actually sue for peace.
>>512726647
Israel has to buy what it gets now.

>>512720233
as long as all hohols and kikes and all the rest of the nonwhites die, i'll be happy

>>512726501
>how the fuck would you even impose a "military size limit" on Ukraine
How was it imposed on Germany after WW1, how do various international arms reduction treaties work in general

>>512726697
ah, thanks polack. there's a huge polish community near me and they make some great fucking food.
I just found out they actually walk like 2 hours to the church in the area and they sing the whole way there. kinda comfy.

>>512726649
I'm sure there's a veto proof majority in congress to continue funding for Ukraine so the "investors" aren't exactly looking to abandon this project yet

>>512726697
Are you Russian/Ukrainian in Poland?

>>512726848
the whole "denazification" shit was never going to happen

>>512727070
no I'm Polish with the tiniest modicum of curiosity
also my grandpa told me to know my enemy and speak his language

>>512719950 (OP)
Make rus language 2nd official language of Ukraine (90% of them use it anyway). Then we see they gave up on cave nationalism. Then we talk. Otherwise no point. Hohols literally can not control their nazi brigades that will launch drones on ru side next day.

>>512726688
When Putin, the Muslims' doormat, dies in Russia and a Russian patriot comes to power. We will hold a referendum and join Russia. But for now the flag will remain the same.

>>512725699
All the Germans who knew German left for Germany. The rest have long been Russian, I know two Wagners, ordinary Ryazan mugs, one works in the "assessment bureau", the second was my classmate at the institute.

>>512726888
>make some great fucking food.
it's one pierog
many pierogi
not pierogies, which is a double plural and an abomination in the ears of God

Russia cannot take anything. It’s lost. If you imagine it was anything other than a set up scam to begin with. So why give the losers anything, why not finish them off now?

>>512719950 (OP)
>>Russia gets recognition of its land
not happening, retard
nobody will recognize territory gotten that way
if USA does, then expect china to invade taiwan, serbia to invade kosovo, arabs to start invading each other, morrocco to invade niggerlands, venezuela to invade guinea, etc, etc, etc.

the moment it becomes legitimate to conquer land thusly, is the moment we get actual world war 3, and not this boomer doomposting

>>512727234
Yeah because original "vatnik" term was coined by Russian libs who hated Russia back on VK Russian social media, crazy to think these times were even possible, now all Russian teens are ziggers and their only concern about their state is too many muslims

>>512727330
the kielbasa is great desu. my dad loves that shit
>>512727301
>Make rus language 2nd official language of Ukraine
would the ukrainians even be opposed to that?
>>512727357
oh, you mean things that are already happening?

>>512727085
Probably but the question is, will Putin blow up the negotiations over this

>>512719950 (OP)
Russia would never agreed to this it's retarded.

>>512721324
Trump doesn’t give a shit he just wants to end the war.

>>512727409
>would the ukrainians even be opposed to that?
Ukrainian nationalists would, and they are quite influential

>>512719950 (OP)
DMZ will be patrolled by western tripwire forces. No NATO membership for Ukraine itself, but there will need to be western forces on the border, probably swedish or polish if I had to guess.
any ceasefire that ends without additional western forces on the border is just a timeout until russia thinks it's strong enough to take more shit.

>>512726480
Nigga plz, you and France are two Muslim garbage dumps where ISIS will rise tomorrow.

>>512722956

>>512724807
something something crimea beach party
>>512724583
>No at the start of the war china was happy to sell drones to both sides.
yeah I remember the debacle about ukraine using DJI drones and the US throwing a hissyfit about it; whole thing got completely memoryholed too.
>>512724056
ukraine becoming iraq is also plausable

>>512727571
> watabout watabout watabout
+15

>>512727428
>>512727496
There's a bunch of these side issues that will probably get some language in a peace deal but are completely secondary to the territorial dispute. Like making ruskie the 2nd language in Ukraine lol. The main things are NATO membership, territory, and recognition of territory. I think Russia very much wants recognition of Crimea and would give up things to get it.
>>512727565
I think a good idea for any kind of patrolling of a DMZ is to get a western non-NATO member to do it. I doubt Russia would accept a NATO member patrolling it. Someone like Austria or Serbia.

>>512727409
>kielbasa
there's a type of russian kielbasa called
>doktorskaya kolbasa
literally doctor's sausage
why?
in the 1930s it was a special kind of rich sausage prescribed by doctors to undernourished and ill people
imagine the shitholery of a place where sausage is medicine

>>512727409
>would the ukrainians even be opposed to that?
Yes. Ein reich ein language. It's extreme cave nationalism, very 1930s mindset. If their people get freedom to watch movies in russian or speak in courts in russian the ukr language will die in a week and they know it so can't allow it.

>>512721932
Invading Russia through Finland worked out terribly for Germany.

>>512727330
Pelmeni a clearly superior. Ludmilla, a fren of mine from Latvia, makes deli Pelmeni.

>>512727020
no my friend there isnt. in fact its not even in the budget.

>>512725611
She can suck-start this after Europe leaves this Jew-caused mess empty-handed, bankrupt, disarmed, and destroyed.

>>512727748
who the fuck cares what the 2nd language is? it's not the official language
>>512727020
there's no Ukraine funding in the big beautiful bill that just passed which had the military spending in it.
currently it's european countries buying weapons from us and giving them to Ukraine for free.

>>512727613
>one event in a country of 30 million
>totally voluntary
>only big city leftists send their daughters there
yes I'm sure this will ruin the country

>>512727903
You're the one supporting globohomo NAFO.

>>512719950 (OP)

ukraines not gonna get shit they have 0 soldiers left its why theyre mass conscripting 14 year olds

>>512727790
pelmeni are what we call pierogi, only smaller
what we call pierogi, the russians call varniki
or pirozhki, which are similar but different in some ways
tl,dr: it's complicated but it's all tasty

>>512727900
>there's no Ukraine funding in the big beautiful bill that just passed which had the military spending in it.
Because there's still Biden's budget for Ukraine
>currently it's european countries buying weapons from us and giving them to Ukraine for free.
There's that too, Ukraine isn't running out of sponsors any time soon

Just as the Soviet Union collapsed because it refused to admit its failure in Afghanistan until it was too late, this military disaster in Ukraine will be the end of the current Russian Federation. It has gutted the Russian economy and male population. Currently the only plan they have is to essentially replace the ethnic Russian population with Africans and Indians. The Russians are so utterly brainwashed that they actually crow about ethnic replacement of themselves as a triumph.

>>512728165
>Because there's still Biden's budget for Ukraine
that's quickly coming to an end.

>>512719950 (OP)
>Russia gets sanctions relief
From whom? USA? Definitely not Europe, kek

>>512728197
>Gutted the Russian economy
Lel
>And male population
Russia has lost a tiny fraction of a fraction of the male population it gained through annexation. NAFO cope is the best cope.

>>512728197
We don't need to replace anyone. We have several million new citizens from the new territories.

>>512728251
the smelly unhappy women who run the EU will do whatever Trump says to do.

>>512728197
You dont get the scale of the economic collapse of the USSR, plus Gorbachev was genuinely a democrat

>>512728279
And when it runs out all Ds and half of Rs will pass a new one

>>512728197
Correct, russians are completely delusional, their next crisis is already set to be unleashed the moment they lose the war.

>>512728342
You can't even tell Zelensky to surrender, Ivan, it's time to admit you lost, sign the contract

>>512727387
>and their only concern about their state is too many muslims
lmao good luck with that
literally 20% of the Russian Pidaration are muslims
the fuck lil' Alyosha gon' do?

>>512728431
Lol the US will collapse way before Russia does.

>>512719950 (OP)
There is no such place as "luhansk." But Lugansk is Russia.

>>512727900
>who the fuck cares what the 2nd language is
the hohols do, so much so that they started massacreing russian speaking civilians in the donbas and in odessa over it, for 8 years straight until russia put its foot down and put a stop to it

>>512728506
Reminder the entire Russia collusion narrative was a CIA psyop that liberals fell for.

>>512728529
LMAO LMAO

>>512728601
Reminder that you lost the war, it's time to sign the contract.

>>512728616
>Impotent seething
Keep it coming.

>>512728763
Sign the contract, so you don't have to cope

>>512722642
The US State Department.

Who chimp out first?

>>512729183
clearly ukrainians

I wouldn’t give russia a mouldy prawn cracker. A bunch of old cripples & inbred face wonders running into minefields and shooting themselves? Gee they’ve sure proven themselves mighty. Mighty easy. Ukraine however, well that was a surprise wasn’t it.
RUSSIAN STRATEGY
>give me thing or i’ll keep cutting myself
Just ditch support for your oligarchy & media russia. Everything they ever told you is lies, obviously your worst enemies.

It's been 4 years. The Ukranian women who fled have been getting their backs blown out and married for permanent residency in better countries. They won't go back. Enjoy your 95% male country.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5-YfK1Erng
Halloween edition

btw have anyone noticed how few hohol posters there are remained on 4chan in the last 3 years

>>512719950 (OP)
>Russia gets Crimea
What? I don't get it.
They have it since 2014, what's the point of negotiating over it?

>>512730956
First rule of negotiations, give what is not yours. Bismark.

>>512728616
Well it's already whiter than an American school.

>>512729580
And men died on the front.
Ironically, the population is now 50/50

>>512720233
it won't

>>512726553
Russia has elections though. And is interested in ending the war. And tried to prevent the war. And Russians fucking love Putin. He has higher approval than anyone in the west.

>>512720538
This is true, though. Washington was a fuccboi who gained weight during Valley Forge.

and don't forget:
>355,000 Ukrainian cunny-holes and bussies stay in circulation until they age out or are classically finished pizza.

>>512724473
ukraine is absolutely positively going to collapse

>>512719950 (OP)
>some of Donetsk and Zaporozhye
>what they have now in kherson
Oh you poor poor retard, you just don’t get how badly the Ukraine is fucked do you…
>DMZ
>EU membership
Lol, lmfao
Manned by who lmfao…

ukraine was dumb enough to be used as expendable cannon fodder by grudge holding jews in the uk in order to provoke a regime change in Russia.
It failed completely and now ukraine will be thrown in the trash like a used condom.
To think Putler wanted to cuck out in 2022,
but Boris Johnson and rest of ZOG crew stepped in and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
(Comedy gold)
Now Russia will achieve total victory, ukraine willl uniliterally and unconditionally surrender
there isnt going to be a "ceasefire" so london can catch its breath
there isnt going to be some nato patrolled "demilitarized zone" on Russias border

ukraine will NEVER have (((security guarantees)))
the only guarantees of security ukraine will ever receive are simply lowering its tone when it speaks to Russia,
and stopping the nigger pitbull behavior its perpetrating on behalf of london


the fate of the ukraine is to be demilitarized, de-industrialized,
and turned into an effeminant rump-state that the eu will innudate with lgbtq propaganda,
inextricably tied to the meager and and inssufficient 'aide' to rebuild whatever is left of your country
after Russia is done smashing it

When the pimp and the customer are negotiating the price, the whore doesnt have a say.

this is the only endgame

>>512734292
The pic you wanted to post.

followed by this

>>512734492
Their original plan. Didn't work out like expected though.

>>512719950 (OP)
I don’t know why, but I still have the creeping feeling that Russia will not retain any part of Kherson or Zaporozhia, even East of the Dnieper. I think it’s certain that they will retain the two Donbas oblasts, those of course being Donetsk and Luhansk. It goes without saying they’ll retain Crimea. I feel it was stupid for them to fake referendums so blatantly. Neutral and even pro-Western sources have claimed that they could have easily won a legitimate referendum in Crimea. As for Donetsk and Luhansk, it would’ve been somewhere between 35-55% of the population, so I understand it somewhat there, but they could’ve just fudged the numbers somewhat. As for Kherson and Zaporozhia, impossible, which made it so much more obvious and pathetic how blatantly they altered the numbers by claiming it was upwards of 70% of the population voting in favor of annexation. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve just had the feeling ever since they announced official annexation that they won’t retain those two provinces.

>>512734657
>their original plan
Russia is still capable of implementing it by retreating, paying reparations, giving back all the stolen children and sending Putin to the ICC. Then the carpets, the cottons, and the refinery fires stop, and the air defence cuck can finally go to the bathroom

>>512728616
Dear god, there’s maybe, what, 4-5 kids here that could even POSSIBLY be white? Russia needs to deport all Turkic and Mongolic populations immediately, as well as all other East Eurasian-like populations such as Tungusic peoples as well as non-European Finno-Ugric people (Khanty, Mansi, etc.)

>>512719950 (OP)
Russia will get all of kherson, donetsk, zaporihzhzia, not just parts

>>512734492
what the actual fuck were Nuland and friends smoking?

>>512720099
Dude, do you think Russians care?
That's similar odds to how they won WW2.
Read Tigers in the Mud to get an idea on how Russians fight wars.
This isn't a sport where you get special awards for losing but getting a really good KDR.
You win or lose, and for whatever it's worth, the Russians have land that was originally Ukraine, and Ukraine cannot and has not taken any of it back.
That's winning by war standards. Maybe pyrrhic, but only time will tell with that.

>>512735346
>Nuland
come to the Dark Side
We have cookies

>>512735346
>what the actual fuck were Nuland and friends smoking?

whatever it was,
it was one of the most powerful drugs of all time

>>512719950 (OP)
That's not how it's going to end, cope, seethe, and dialate.

>>512722160
Hitler proved otherwise, only reason they didn't go further was the Finns decided "We're good with what we took."

>>512722504
>Russia
>White
>anti-Jewish

None of these words belong together. Hell half the Jews in Israel are Russians

>>512720397
> Nobody is going to accept the borders.
If the US accepts the borders as rumored, then all its vassals will have to.