There is no language that is harder than Japanese and Old Japanese.

Even the Obama Administration admitted it.

https://www.state.gov/foreign-service-institute/foreign-language-training

During the obama years, this had an asterisk next to Japanese saying it's harder than the other languages.

Would you learn Japanese?

>>512728713 (OP)
In what way? They have a limited vocabulary, need subtitles (furigana) over their own language, and basically have baby grammar on par with SEA language. The only complicated part I can see is that they use kanji like hieroglyphics, they don't have a radical system, and you kind of just need to guess words that use kanji based on context. The language also has an ungodly amount of homophones, to the point where the average person talks like a cave man.

>>512728713 (OP)
Anime made it easier

Yes, it's complicated to learn as an English speaker. It takes several years of studying full time to become fluent.

>>512728713 (OP)
Basic dumb fuck bug language.
Everything is hard for the amerishart.

thats why their flag is the literal solipsism dot. they are the most alone nation on earth

>>512728713 (OP)
>Would you learn Japanese?
No I learned Thai, Shan, and am studying Burmese.

Japan is honestly too safe and boring. People there are stupid and not in an endearing way. It's also almost a police state. I'd rather hang out with jungle monkeys driving around without a license and drinking moonshine and gambling

>>512729676
To speak or read? Because Japanese is one of the easiest languages to learn how to speak, but in terms of writing and reading not even natives can do it sometimes. What I find funny about Japanese is that the last national literacy test they took was in 1948 and was only around 16000 people, this was 4 years prior to the 1952 language reforms. So we have no real data on how literate the average person in Japan is, the written and spoken language are still very different.

>>512730058
Okay. But their women have purple pussies.

>>512730866
They are very rapidly switching to the alphabet due to technology. Their intonation in media is basically replicating western speech patterns for intonation. Anime itself is a loan word from French.

>>512731112
Western speech patterns for emphasis*

>>512728713 (OP)
Yes it’s hard, but if you stay motivated and surround yourself with Japanese input, it’s doable.
>>512731112
Im not sure what you mean by this… Japanese has a ton of English loan words but they’re not gonna be switching to using full English anytime soon

>>512731112
Nah they don't need to switch, they have furigana. You can even write full sentences in furigana/katakana (same shit) if you add spaces. If you don't believe me all of the original NES games used to be entirely in kana, they just added spaces. It would be ludicrously simple to convert the language into kana, they already ditched the traditional kanji characters in the 1950s for shinjitai. I think the reason they keep both languages and didn't axe kanji completely was because of trade with China, if you learn literary Japanese it's basically the same shit as Chinese, I'm not kidding the words if you look up how to pronounce them are literally Chinese. So they do this weird linguistic hedging between the US and China and I think the US REALLY doesn't want them to learn English because they cut the professional English programs in the 1980s. Japan was rich enough to fly in Oxford professors to teach English in the 1980s and the US axed that program for ALT in 1989.

>>512731071
Wow you're right time to study Japanese

>>512728949
>need subtitles
>hieroglyphics
>need to guess words
>ungodly amount of homophones
>in what way?
who knows bro, truly a mystery

>>512731274
The average Japanese person is so used to writing on keyboard that they forget how to write even simple kanji.
Bilingualism is way higher in younger generations and there are a lot more mixed families. We are doing a slow motion fusion dance.

>>512731433
Katakana is rough. So many digraphs.

>>512731433
They could switch to just using kana but it would make the language harder and slower to read. Kanji is only a reading obstacle to children and people who are learning the language. For people who already know the kanji, it makes reading easier.
>>512731543
Sort of like how I know a lot of zoomers who can’t spell basic words because they’ve relied on spell/grammar check their whole lives

>>512731689
Exactly. So many homophones that it would be a nightmare without a ton of context which would also be really hard to parse.

>>512731659
Not really you can learn katakana and hiragana in about a week if you put effort into it. That's around the average.

>>512731689
They put furigana over kanji all the time. If you put spaces on kana it would read about at the same speed, sometimes faster because if it's an obscure word you have no chance of guessing what it is. They don't have much vocabulary and their use of kanji contracts the *practical* vocabulary enough as it is because no one wants to be impolite and use complicated words. Because of this they use a lot of loan words for complicated subjects because they're easy to learn.

>>512731932
'ruby' is slang for furigana btw. For some reason furigana is a more formal word.

>>512731543
Bruh ok tell me more about my country dude

>>512731932
As soon as it uses sounds that aren't typical for Japanese, it becomes annoying. A lot of the time I will come across a loan word from a language I speak and I simply don't recognize it at first.

I wish I was more motivated to actually learn it but I spend all my free time playing video games

>>512731932
based BWC sucker

>>512728713 (OP)
While i like Japanese language (mostly because of music) i don't know why i would be studying it thing is it don't have too many usages outside of Japan only if you are hyperotaku that really wants to learn because of either Japanese game or anime or in super rare cases you want actually study something historical but there are no books in english that being said AI can translate most of it today.

>>512732018
https://youtu.be/sJNxPRBvRQg?feature=shared

It's easier to recognize the correct kanji from a drop down menu than to remember all the strokes. Writing phonetically is just easier.

>>512728713 (OP)
Learning a second language is cuckold behavior.
Nothing important has ever been said that wasn’t said in English.

>>512732128
nah language barriers are good, they keep nations separated. keep playing videos games and stop trying to merge with other people by learning their language

>>512731932
>They put furigana over kanji all the time.
If you put spaces on kana it would read about at the same speed, sometimes faster because if it's an obscure word you have no chance of guessing what it is
There are so many homophones in Japanese that removing kanji would make it a nightmare. There’s a reason why none of them want to do that.
Kanji allows words to maintain the connection to their etymology and root meaning.
考察 is literally the kanji for “think” and “theorize” that’s pretty much what it means
絞殺 is the kanji for “tie” and “kill” it means murder by strangulation
They are both spelled こうさつ
Japanese has way more homophones than any other language in the world. It’s not even close
Some words have like 10+ homophones literally

>>512728713 (OP)
True i only know like 3k vocab words and it haunts me thar i need to learn 20k read most stuff.

>>512728949
>the average person talks like a cave man.
Their conversations are like:
>Ne? Nanka? Un. Yabai! Nanka? Eeeeee?

>>512732301
As opposed to just absorbing every foreign word you need into English?

>>512728713 (OP)
日本語は簡単じゃないよ

>>512728713 (OP)
No way it’s more difficult than Korean or Georgian

>>512732331
actually this gave me a good thought. whites should come up with a new high effort advanced language so it blocks out third worlders. would make an excellent filter :o

>>512732693
It's not easy. You need three writing systems.

>>512732395
ganbare anon kun!

>>512732633
It's easy-peasy Japanesey though
I can prove this with formal logic if necessary

>>512732379
That makes absolutely no sense otherwise they wouldn't be able to speak the language since the sounds the words make are represented by kana. People can speak the language easily, there's few problems. If it's as dysfunctional as you say to the point that even vernacular language doesn't work then the language needs a third reform because that's beyond horrible.

>>512728713 (OP)
Japanese is a relatively simple language mated to an abomination of a written system.

>>512731932
It has an absolutely massive vocabulary. You don't even know wtf you're talking about. An unlike English, it's actually used in real life, whereas 95% of English vocab is book jargon only.

>>512732379
>Japanese has way more homophones than any other language in the world.
That's because of all the high level languages in the world, Japanese has the fewest actual sounds.

>>512732845
In spoken language, intonation often makes things more instantly understandable and less ambiguous. For instance, the words for bridge and edge are both spelled the same. But they’re spoken with a different intonation. Their writing system doesn’t capture that. And it’s not something that’s taught by many Japanese teachers or classes

>>512732845
Japanese literally have a kanji dictionary in their head and flip through many possible character combinations in microseconds when they hear an utterance. Sometimes, if someone doesn't get it, they will draw the kanji in the air with their fingers for clarification.

>>512732845
The way they differentiate words is a combination of intonation and context.
So two words might be written the same way in hiragana or katakana, but one starts with a low note and the other with a high note, so people get it. They won't communicate this effectively to you, though, just like how we have trouble communicating some of the intricacies of our verbal pacing. They don't stretch out or compress words like we do. Each syllable gets the same duration like a metronome.

>>512728713 (OP)
mandarin is harder, theres a reason why it had to be simplified for the general populace in china. cantonese is a close second. korean is also harder to learn than japanese. dont get me wrong japanese is a hard language to learn, but there are harder languages out there. although they all pale in comparison to icelandic, that is the actual hardest language to learn.

>>512732990
If only Irish had been so convenient in that regard. I tried that shit and figured you have to dislocate your jaw to make some of their sounds.

>>512733196
Slainte

>>512728713 (OP)

พาสายี่ปุ่นยากสุดจริงเหลอ ไอ่ตุ๊ด

>>512732921
A lot of Japanese words taught in language courses are not used in everyday speech though. I even got told not to use ookii by Japanese people, and it's one of the most common words in Anki decks, textbooks, etc., even manga

>>512728713 (OP)
Correct. I stopped learning Japanese and started Chinese. Despite the hanzi, it's much easier. No retarded triple conjugations and enough syllables so that not all words sound the same. Also, what is pretty much unknown in the West: They have their own huge universe of media and literature. Downside: the language sounds retarded and listening is hard. Japanese is the French of the East, phonetically.

>>512728713 (OP)
shit!

ITT: People with little to no Japanese language ability speak as if they're authorities on it

>>512728949
Kanji is one of the easier parts of the language. The spoken language is the difficult part, because they have like 5 sounds they use over and over so they have like a billion homophones.

>>512733224
Le do thoil, ta bron orm.

>>512733259
Unfortunately, learning it as an adult means sounding like a child with a weirdly large vocabulary about office work

>>512728713 (OP)
>HARDEST
KHM ..try mine

>>512733259
大きいバカやろう

>>512732486
As opposed to nothing you ESL retard

>>512733374
I confess fully that I bitched out of trying rather than subject myself to learning three writing systems to pass a language course. Shit's intimidating.

>>512733480
Half the language is French, bud.

>>512731932

Yes, ... but kid this days not really wants to understand Japanese to see hentai anime anymore...
Like all of us in mid 90s

>>512728949
They literally have four different ways of talking and none of the textbooks teach you how to talk like Japanese people actually do. If you're lucky you'll run into a nice girl who talks in simple casual Japanese. Most guys talk with so many contractions and slang that it's incomprehensible unless you're been trained in that skill set and gotten thousands of hours of immersion.

a while back i spent a year doing duolingo 5 minutes a day and probably got up to like n4 level.
nothing to brag about, but i mean i could read moege visual novels in japanese and understand what's going on, and it was pretty fun learning.
ai bullshit killed my interest in it though.

>>512733526
No, it definitely isn’t.
Go be brown somewhere else..

>>512728713 (OP)
I grew up speaking japanese at home because of my family, went to bilingual school, etc

>>512733138
>mandarin is harder, theres a reason why it had to be simplified for the general populace in china

Bullshit. The simplifications save some strokes. That's all. And you get retarded stuff like this:
夠 - traditional
够 - simplified

>>512733454
You and the Basque need to be put in a locked room and forced to learn each other's languages, just so you know what a pain it is to learn a language yours has NOTHING in common with despite being separated by mere tens of kilometers. Fuck you.

>>512733374
Implying you’re any different, Davido-kun

>>512733610
Yes, it is, and you can thank the Normans for that.

>>512728713 (OP)
>During the obama years, this had an asterisk next to Japanese saying it's harder than the other languages.
Uh yeah ALONG WITH FOUR OTHER LANGUAGES

>>512733676
That's Ken-sama to you, omae

>>512731112
Japanese needs kanji. Without kanji the written language would be crippled. There are too many homophones.

>>512728949
Their vocabulary isn't less than most languages, adults don't need furigana to read, there's no such thing as "baby grammar", it's a highly agglutinative language and that's not unusual around the world. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about

>>512728713 (OP)
There's an anime that teaches Japanese
binge watch it on Netflix and within 72 hours, you'll be able to make an ass of yourself, but that's a good thing. It shows that you at least tried, and aren't a cunt.

>>512733974
The nigger really had it in for you guys.

>>512731543
Same thing with Chinese, they are forgetting how to write the characters. But does it really matter, everyone is using computers now. The input method editor allows you to select the right kanji so you don't need to know how to write them.

>>512734081
This is how we do it in Quebec. If your French is atrocious but you tried, you'll get answered in (probably pretty terrible) English.

>>512728713 (OP)
It's completely easy other than lmao kanji which even native Japanese people can't learn.

>>512728713 (OP)
I don't see no asterisk

>>512730058
>I'd rather hang out with jungle monkeys driving around without a license and drinking moonshine and gambling
Fucking based kek

>>512734029
Kanji are cool and great anyway.
Imagine if Japanese lost kanji, and it was no longer obvious that the 人 in 人生 is the same as the one in 日本人 or even words where it’s pronounced differently like 人々 or 三人
If you took away kanji, all these words would lose their connection.
Kanji ties everything together in a neat way

>>512728713 (OP)
I'm going to be learning japanese and teaching my kids japanese because I feel it is a better language than english

>>512728713 (OP)
The most important thing (as other anons have said) is learning to speak it as the japanese do, and not as textbooks (or especially anime) say.

If you go around calling everyone あなた (Anata) you'll just fucking embarrass yourself. ESPECIALLY if you use Omae, Teme, Kimi, Anta, etc. instead of just using the name of the person you're speaking to, or just leaving it out entirely because it's implied.

Same to a lesser extent with stuff like Samui, Atsui. In regular speech it's just Samu, Atsu. And the regular greetings / sayings (yoroshiku onegaishimasu, ohayou gozaimasu) end up just getting shortened down until you're almost saying USSSSS after a certain point. One of my favorite exchanges is below, it's why you have to learn all the ways to say what you need so there's no misunderstandings.

a itai!
あー痛い
Oh, it hurts

aitai?
会いたい?
Do you wanna see someone?

ore ni?
俺に?
Me?

chigau!
違う!
No!

i
胃
Stomach
i itai!
胃痛い
My stomach hurts

iitai?
言いたい?
Do you wanna say something?

nani o?
何を?
What do you wanna say?

chigau!
違う!
No!

>>512734343
Just use context though. I honestly think kanji might be eliminated in our lifetime. The only reason to keep it is to prevent foreigners from learning to read. Which has worked fabulously.

>>512733974
>Uh yeah ALONG WITH FOUR OTHER LANGUAGES

did you even read? They took away the asterisk when Trump got elected

>>512728713 (OP)
Yeah I learned it anyway and I'm not supposed to be smart
>le ivy grad

>>512731659
i learned katakana in an hour through forced repetition and mnemonic devices and i'm retarded
the digraphs are intuitive
º makes h's p's
" makes h's b's or softens t's and k's into d's and g's
ヒ hi ピ pi ビ bi
ハ ha パ pa バ ba
ト to ド do
カ ka ガ ga

>>512734476
Kanji makes vocabulary easier to learn for foreigners. A lot of words are just compounds of kanji. Their meaning is just a mixture of the characters’ meanings. It makes them easy to remember. I honestly think Japanese would be harder to learn if you took kanji away

Best part of the language for me is the tongue twisters. You just can't make stuff like this in English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLiny9Ef8Vc

>>512728713 (OP)
Already did. Certified Davido-kun here with a degree in Japanese and working on N3.

>>512732018
>>512733374
>>512733974
Send japanese gf. Onegaishimasu.

>>512734476
To clarify on this, yeah learning kanji up-front is a pin in the ass, but that’s 1500-ish symbols that you memorize to accelerate the process of learning 10k+ vocabulary words. It ends up paying off later when you’re able to pick up words for free based on your kanji knowledge

>>512728713 (OP)
>doesn't have tones

Fuck off, bollocks, you're a cunt.

>>512734781
>working on N3

get the shin kanzen master n3 series

>>512734343
dekinai yatsura can complain all they want about kanji but it would be impossible without it
making these connections is the whole language

>>512732921
Can't tell if ironic, but please argue with this guy
>>512733016
Sounds like they have a problem with vocabulary if so many of them sound and are spelled exactly the same to the extent of needing a hieroglyphic to demarcate them.

>>512734772
There are two chickens in the yard

>>512734781
N2 or N1 are the only way to actually prove you know it, because otherwise Japanese companies will never hire you instead of maybe a 5% chance of hiring a semi-illiterate gaijin


マジで情けないや…しっかりしろよ

>>512734476
nah
if i hear some word that i dont know, depending on context i guess which kanji are used and already somewhat understand it
without knowledge of kanji i'd have zero idea

>>512734476
Kanji makes it way easier. Consider 子. I know this means child whilst "ko" could be hundreds of things. Same with 小 meaning small. Kanji are instantly recognizable in isolation whilst the spoken language requires deep understanding since everything sounds the same.

>>512735124
It gets a bit fucky when a kanji is made of like seven smaller kanji stacked up on each other. You really gotta squint with some fonts.

>>512734952
It’s not really just that which is the issue. That’s part of it, but it’s also because of what I said in >>512734343 where kanji lets you know that different words are etymologically related and have the same roots or share a similar meaning. It’s honestly nice to have as a learner especially. As a learner I think it really helped me to form associations and remember meanings more easily

>>512734952
あなたの上にはくもがいる
if i said this to you in speech, whether or not you should freak the fuck out would have to do with the intonation of the word kumo

>>512734408
>My stomach hurts
I have a bad case of diarrhea

>>512735329
wait no, that was a bad example because iro wouldn't work for clouds as they're inanimate and would be aru
was trying for cloud and spider which are intoned differently but have the same kana

I'm a lazy dekinai that never got past learning the 2 kanji, but if I was a normal person and not retarded, I think the biggest obstacle would've been the intonations.

>>512733374
Amerimutts can barely speak their own language, in a few decades they'll speak Spanish or some African dialect.

>>512734343
>Kanji are cool

>>512735374
I would like some coke

>>512733138
>icelandic, that is the actual hardest language to learn.
Respectfully I disagree. My rabbi always tickled my little schmeckle and put a digit or two up my tuches while he taught me esperanto so I think that is the most difficult language to learn.

>>512735812
The character for guy basically translates to "field power".

>>512735842
And ask them the price of cock

Hard? How?
I haven't taken any classes for it but it makes sense, spoken. Written is the harder part

>>512728713 (OP)
I started learning Japanese with 1 sem at uni then switched to Mandarin, did 4 sems.

I'd still learn Japanese but their economy has peaked and their country isn't as exciting as it was in the 80s and 90s. If you like reading classic Buddhist texts, Japanese is not necessary but obviously Japan is a viable country to live in as western Buddhist and the PRC is not really.

I'm more interested in Sanskrit now. If the religion the main thing you like about Japan you don't have to go to Asia at all, you can live where you already live and learn Sanskrit.

I think of Japan as being good mostly for certain specific specialties like the Bonsai community.

>>512733570
>Most guys talk with so many contractions and slang that it's incomprehensible unless you're been trained in that skill set and gotten thousands of hours of immersion.
I am glad to hear this because this will impede the jeet rape rat plague threatening our Nipponese bros.

>>512736047
Japanese nerds/geeks are world class.
Their food culture is also quite good. It's very similar to French cooking in its autistic detail to ingredients and preparation.

>>512736052
Keep in mind most Japanese high schools still have judo, karate and the like.

>>512728713 (OP)
>Japanese is the HARDEST LANGUAGE ON THE PLANET
Only if your native language is English.

If you're Korean, then Japanese is fucking simple because the grammar is the same.
>Would you learn Japanese?
I'm nearly 6 years into learning it.
>>512728949
You have absolutely no idea about how japanese works.

>>512736052
Honestly I would agree with you but when jeets want to go to Japan, they just go there. Whites will stay in their rooms afraid to go to Japan until they’re near native level lmao. That’s what matt vs japan did

>>512733570
Sounds like just regional dialects and the language has so many homophones that they resort to needing context to explain everything. I can't learn how to speak like someone from Alabama in a textbook, it's the same in every single country, even France has hundreds of dialects many of which aren't even mutually intelligible.

>>512736047
zen buddhists write sanskrit mantras in ateji
all the buddhist stuff is a whole different language, really, too alien for an average japanese

>>512728713 (OP)
>Would you learn Japanese?
I learned Japanese, and I tried learning Mandarin. Honestly? Mandarin is way harder.

>>512730866
Nothing you said makes any sense.

>>512732128
Play JRPG's in Japanese. Then you can learn while you play.

>>512728713 (OP)
Learning Latin is way harder than learning Japanese. Good luck trying to talk without articles and conjugating your nouns.

>>512732437
Those are reaction sounds. That's not what a conversation sounds like.

That's like saying all English conversations are like this
"woah, huh?, really?, yeah!, wow!, cool man!"

>>512728713 (OP)
>During the obama years

>>512733138
>mandarin is harder
For an English native? It's not. Their grammar is a lot easier than Japanese.

>>512728713 (OP)
なぜと?

>>512733338
>triple conjugations
The way japanese conjugations stack is maddening.
The single ones are easy, but then you get stupid shit like
>[verb]+らさせていただかなければならなかったのです

>>512736393
Japanese people are smart enough to tell us apart from Indians, Anon. Respect is earned and showing at least an effort to learn the language goes a long way, especially if you graciously accept correction from native speakers. There are plenty of stories of people who actually try to learn the language dining at those 日本人だけ places just fine because they followed the customs to the letter.

>>512733374
.... says the english guy with his VPN set to "japan"

>>512736481
Play JRPGs in Japanese and then watch let’s play videos of that game
When I was hardcore about studying, I had months-long periods where I would spend nearly all my free time doing immersing in Japanese. It really worked but I wouldn’t recommend it to people who have social lives

>>512736482
It's actually not that bad for French speakers.

>>512733393
Anyone that says kanji are hard doesn't know any japanese.
Kanji are like cheat codes that make reading japanese 1000 times easier.

>>512728713 (OP)
noo...
icelandic is the worst

>>512733138
The simplification of Mandarin is just with the font, it doesn't have that much to do with the difficulty of the language. If you word process on a computer the char style is just a setting. And as for reading the characters, it makes no difference. Actually tradit chars are more distinct and can be easier to read, the font size has to be big enough though. Tradit chars are only bad if you have to hand write notes really quickly in Chinese, but I never do.

Cantonese I agree is harder and has less resources available in general, but it's fun and very beautiful if you like Chinese, kind of better than Mandarin just not more useful in general. Hong Kongers and use tradit chars too.

Korean shouldn't be harder because no Chinese characters.

I've looked at Icelandic, seems similarly difficult as Greek or Latin, it's maybe a little harder than German. Which would make it mid- or high-mid-tier difficulty.

>>512733570
Same with any language - Real spoken language isn't like it is in a text book.

>>512736794
Are you using the correct stroke order? They WILL get angry if you don't.

>>512736875
There are general patterns to stroke order that will help you get them correct 90% of the time. No need to memorize them all individually

>>512736857
We do actually use a spoke version of written French as "international" French. Euros can't understand my dialect.

>>512733393
So it's a good language for puns?

>>512736929
Some of them are just straight-up bullshit and super counterintuitive.

>>512736875
I don't even use the correct stroke order for English. Though my elementary school teacher did note my method were more efficient.

>>512728713 (OP)
Nah, Chinese is WAY harder.

I can't hear any difference between the 2nd and 3rd tone at all.

In japanese ma means ma regardless of the tone.

>>512736446
Correct a single thing I said. If I see a wall of kanji in Japanese I need to guess the meaning unless it has okurigana. The grammar is similar to SEA languages, they double words because they don't have grammatical plurals, the syntax is similar, no subject-verb agreement, the major difference is the SVO vs SOV word order that's it. Writing is more or less supplanted by digital infrastructure many people can't write (or sometimes even read) each other's names. If I'm wrong correct it because I see furigana over kanji almost all the time.

>>512736995
Spoken*

>>512737024
Yes, their dad jokes are off the charts.

>>512734772
My fave is this hakata dialect one. When spoken by a native it's fucking nuts:

>おっとっととっといてっていっとったとになんでとっとってくれんかったと

>>512734408
I don’t need to speak Japanese because my penis does the talking

>>512734850
>Has pitch and intonation instead
Next.

>>512736929
he probably doesnt even know about radicals

>>512728713 (OP)
i'm learning japanese now. it's not that hard. just takes time.

>>512737046
>In japanese ma means ma
No it doesn't. It depends on the pitch and intonation.

>>512728713 (OP)
It’s piss easy to learn, the issue is most teachers are garbage, have their head so far up their ass they focus on stupid shit most Japanese people never use because it’s so circumstantial, or the Japanese the gaijin are speaking to are the issue (retarded/deliberately pretending to be retarded by saying they don’t understand).
The language itself just takes constant practice to master, like any other language.

>>512732772
Formal logic dictates it is easy empirical data suggests it's really difficult and slow to learn. Is the map or the terrain incorrect?

>>512728713 (OP)
I want to learn Russian

There aren't enough pictures of cute Japanese chicks in this thread

>>512737040
Yeah you’re right, some radicals have counterintuitive stroke orders and I know I mess them up sometimes. I wouldn’t put a ton of effort into stroke order unless I was going to live long term in japan. I think it’s probably one of the less useful skills for a gaijin. Except in cases where you’re looking up characters by drawing them. Those algorithms usually work better when you use the correct stroke order

>>512737385
I think the problem is native English speakers (Americans especially) don’t know what the process of learning another language is like. They think language learning happens mostly in the classroom. People who got fluent at foreign languages spent 10x as much time outside of class actually engaging with the language, watching shows, reading, communicating with natives etc. The people who don’t put in effort outside of the classroom never get fluent. This goes even for “easier” languages like German and Spanish. People who are fluent in these languages have listened to thousands of hours of native speech outside the classroom.

>>512730058
>I'd rather hang out with jungle monkeys driving around without a license and drinking moonshine and gambling

Lol awesome shit

>>512736558
>Those are reaction sounds. That's not what a conversation sounds like.
Eeee? Maji de? Yabaaaai!

>>512728713 (OP)
It’s just kanji mate.
Kindergarteners learn it over there

You aren’t dumber than a kindergartener, right anon?

When you think about it, adopting Chinese characters in the 6th century or whatever really fucked them over. Sure they eventually bastardised it into two different syllabaries at around the same time (hiragana and katakana) but the mixed use of varying levels of Classic Chinese (sometimes as pure Chinese, sometimes only for the syllables, sometimes for the meanings of the characters) really overcomplicated their writing system.

>>512729676
>It takes several years of studying full time to become fluent.
No it doesn't. You can master it in less than a year. https://archive.is/23HNK

>>512739871
Phoenicians didn't go far enough.

>>512728713 (OP)

Nope...I think it is basque which is not relative for any other language.

>>512728713 (OP)
It has a slow as fuck spoken information rate and it's got a retarded alphabet. Shit tier language

>>512739942
N1 in 8.5 months starting from zero is insanely fast. There's a LOT that the JLPT doesn't test for, so it's not necessarily indicative of mastery, but yeah, if you grind hardcore and do All Japanese All The Time, you can get good within a few years. Probably not 8.5 months though, unless you're gifted or something. I think N1 in 8.5 months is extraordinary, even for people who are obsessive about learning Japanese. I'm not saying it's impossible by any means but it's not typical. Khatzumoto (inventor of AJATT mentioned by the guy in the Reddit thread) said it took him 18 months to get fluent, and Matt vs Japan said it took him 3-4 years. Both are people who gave it 100% of their effort, and invented many of the methods used by Japanese learners worldwide today. I think those time frames are more realistic desu

>>512728713 (OP)
>There is no language that is harder than Japanese and Old Japanese.
Good. That's what protects Japan from external influences.

>>512734076
I do think their language on average uses less variety of words they rely more on archetypes rather than description imo.

i wasted like 3 years of my life trying to learn japanese and once i finally got the balls to fly to japan.... EVERYONE spoke english. even when i tried to order food or ask questions in japanese, they were annoyed with me and just told me the answers in english. NOBODY wants a fat white guy to attempt japanese in front of them. nobody. it's the hardest language and the least useful. learning that shit is just retarded

>>512732920
The grammar may seem simple but the usage is idiosyncratic complex and basically every way to say something has to be memorized.

>>512741139
If I could go back in time and do it all over again, I probably wouldn't spend all the time learning Japanese that I did. It's a fascinating language and I enjoyed the challenge of it, but it's honestly just not a very useful skill to have unless you plan on spending large chunks of your life in Japan

>>512741316
For me it's just about understanding it better. Translations suck now.

>>512741139
You need to spend three more years if you want to do anything useful with it.

>>512741242
Every human language is basically a collection of memes that has to be memorized. Antimoon, a website by Poles about studying and learning English, has a great article about this.

>Such general rules constitute only a small percentage of usage. Most of “usage” is thousands of little facts that apply only to a specific word or combination of words:

>collocations (which words go together):
>last hope but final decision
>completely different but fully aware
>electric motor but electrical components
>fast car but quick look
>heavy smoker but bad/terrible headache
>strong medicine but severe pain
>clean your teeth but wash the dishes
>make a plan / a phone call / money / a mistake / a jump
>do an experiment / business / an exercise / the laundry
>have a conversation / an effect / breakfast / a party
>take a photo / a step / an exam / a risk / a note
>deal a blow, strike a balance, pose a threat, stand a chance, hold a belief, give way

>connotations
>Do you guys sell hardware? I need some bolts. but not Do you guys peddle hardware? (peddle is disapproving)
>It was just a stupid little joke but not It was just a stupid small joke (small is emotionally neutral)

>other examples
>We drove to the nearest gas station but not We drove to a near gas station
>She’s a hard worker but not Our workers are hard
>What size is it? but not What weight is it?
>(handing somebody the phone) “It’s for you.” not “It’s to you.”
>Here, have a cookie not Here, eat a cookie
>He has a headache but He is having a heart attack
>I love to build but not I love to fix
>talk about something but comment on something but discuss something
etc.
Languages are just hard in general. They're all full of shit like this

>>512740600
He means he memorized the N1 kanji in 8.5 months, measured by correct anki answers

>>512739871
This sounds like someone who knows about Japanese but doesn’t know a lick of it actually.
Their writing system is NOT complicated at all.

>>512741979
People don't parse language much differently than how AI reads language, you're basically predicting the meaning of any word. You can have the same sentence interpreted in two different ways even if both readers are native. It's different for visual media, where you get clear consensus, but written media always produces multiple interpretations. Just look at any book discussion, even stuff that follows strict logic like philosophy, there's always multiple different interpretations.

>>512741979
Yeah, this is the stuff I find interesting.
Like in French, you don't say "I'm hungry". You instead say "I have hunger".
In Japanese, you don't "brush" your teeth. You "polish" them.

>>512737127
That’s just an extended intermediate conversational Japanese, good lord with the to ius

>>512741979
English is tough though.

Latin languages are fucking easy and pretty algorithmic

>>512742390
French is going to be easiest for you as an Anglo.

>>512728713 (OP)
the african click language is obviously harder, for phonological reasons.

>>512732718
Like English?

>>512742111
welll


i mean it is, but it's not chinese

Why are you trannies so obsessed with Japan

>>512742390
I only have experience with English and Japanese, so I'm not actually sure about other languages yet, but just from these two, what seems to be true about human language is that people don't think algorithmically. Well, they actually do to an extent, and that's why LLMs can do language, but the algorithm is like a complex black box. You don't learn the language by algorithmically going through a list of grammar rules. You learn it by training your brain, filling it with tons of exposure and input so that the black box inside of your head can form the necessary connections and weights that it needs to understand and communicate in the new format. That's why those old, purely algorithmic language translators were so fucking awful and made all kinds of basic errors. They tried to code in translation using algorithmic grammar rules and it simply didn't work. Machine translation only got somewhat decent after they invented transformers that create these black box algorithms that are capable of modeling the nuances of human language

>>512742713
nese
OLD English

>>512732693
Japanese grammar is basically the same as Korean, but the writing system is much harder.
>>512732718
Slavic languages already exist, yet this doesn't stop the Chinese from learning Russian. I mean, you don't have to actually be good for simple conversation, and you can learn the basics of any language no matter how complex it is.
>>512735812
While 姦 in 姦しい means "noisy", the main meaning of 姦 character is "lewd", "obscene", etc. It can also mean "wicked".
For example, 姦通 = adultery, 強姦 = rape, 姦悪 = wickedness, etc.
>>512735927
More like "someone who provides the strength (power) for (agricultural) field labor".

>>512733974
What were the easiest languages

>>512743068
ebonics

How so?
Even the low IQ villagers from my country are learning Japanese language and going to Japan to become their wage slave.

>>512743068
Romance and Germanic (except German).

>>512743068
I googled it. This is what rosettastone dot com says the Category I languages from that list are:

>Danish
>Dutch
>French
>Italian
>Norwegian
>Portuguese
>Romanian
>Spanish (Latin America or Spain)
>Swedish
>It takes approximately 24-30 weeks (600-750 hours of practice) to reach professional working proficiency in these languages. They are very closely related to English, so many of the same grammar rules and similar vocabulary apply.

>>512732018
Your country?

>>512743196
The people in your village probably grow up speaking 5 languages so adding one more to that isn't a big deal

>>512728713 (OP)
Armenian is harder, its so hard even Armenians dont use the proper literary Armenian and slang with half of the language being loanwords is accepted even in an official capacity.

>>512730058
he is not lying

>>512728713 (OP)
そんなに難しくないよ
但し、ウンチの色肌の人が日本語を覚えられない

>>512743602
what's shan

>>512730058
Japan is for low T guys, and SEA is for high T guys.

LEARN SPANISH

>>512732395
How long have you been studying?

>>512743962
shut up nigger

>>512730058
Just say you like fucking ladybody hookers

>>512730058
>No I learned Thai, Shan, and am studying Burmese.
>>512744812
huh

>>512731932
With the way Japanese sounds, one would think it would be far simpler if all they had was kanji and romaji.
Instead they keep trying to make it simpler to read and write Japanese with several new systems which can all be used interchangeably.
It's the XKCD cartoon of introducing a new standard, but applied to language.
All they needed was their normal squiggle with an inky brush, and European squiggle with a pencil, square and compass.

>>512728713 (OP)
guis, are language AI models good enough to teach me how to speak japanese fluently enough for casual conversations/business/weebing out?

Hardest language for English speakers


English is very hard for Japanese people to learn also. Despite learning it in school and being exposed to it almsot daily none of them can speak it

>>512745174
Romaji fucking sucks. Anyone who's spent time engaging with japanese will tell you that. Japanese was just not meant to be written with roman letters. There's no way anybody can actually sit through a long passage of romaji text without getting a headache.
>it would be far simpler if all they had was kanji and romaji.
Kanji are the chinese chicken scratch symbols that everybody complains about. I think you meant something else.

Here's how I think of the writing system:
>Kanji are the core building blocks of native vocabulary
>hiragana are used for grammatical manipulations and connecting shit together
>katakana is alien text is used for foreign loanwords
it's just compartmentalization

>>512740703
Tell that to the millions of niggers in Shinjuku

>>512742824
They are incels who know asian women are their only chance

>>512745522
I don't know why retarded Japanese even want to learn the globohomo language.

It's super easy. Three irregulars total, the hardest part is learning the Joyo Kanji really.

>>512745986
It's just human nature, anon. Some of them feel isolated on their small island and they want to explore the world from other perspectives. Remember that people who have no experience with globohomo are naive to its evils. That's why the Japanese are at the risk of sleepwalking into death by mass immigration right now

>>512728713 (OP)
Yeah it's pretty hard. I'm halfway through N2 on Bunpro and finished RTK1 and 2 and a bit of 3. Once I'm able to read and write, I'd like to take the jlpt test. Oddly enough I don't think I want to visit Japan, kek. I just want to read their books. Ty for reading my blog

>>512745634
I hate when they give the romaji and not the furigana for a word

>>512746081
Better to be isolated on an island than to become one with globohomo. Learning globohomo language makes muttification easier. English teachers have produced millions of mutts in Japan

I always thought Finnish was the hardest language to learn since it barely has anything to do with it's Scandanavian neighbours and generally being whacky as fuck with it's conventions.

>>512746913
On a surface level, Finnish seems extremely difficult. So many impossible to produce sounds, and the overall structure of the language is completely alien to anything I've ever seen. I wish I could understand it. I honestly think it would be harder to learn than Japanese.

>>512733622
>my family is weeb trannies every generation
i hate brazil so fucking much

>>512732921
You are absolutely wrong. English has one of the largest vocabularies in history. Jargon mostly is completely false.

>>512747070
Show flag

>>512728713 (OP)
Difficulty of language is relative to whatever your native language is. It's easier for a Korean to learn Japanese than it is Danish.

>>512743933
お前こそ「ウンチの色肌」の人だよ

>>512728713 (OP)
Such a handicapped language, the writing systems are a nightmare I can never express myself fully.

I studied it for about 6 months a few years back. I find it a very appealing language, which is why I started, but I quit after 6 months because I was so frustrated with my progress. I realized that genuine fluency would take a decade or more, and native level comprehension would take my entire life.

>>512734781
>degree in Japanese and working on N3.
wait wtf? I thought for sure folks with a Japanese language degree from an accredited 4 year university should at least be N2 and semi-fluent

>>512747779
Bachelors gets you n3+

>>512737086
>be japanese
>drunk all the time
>everything is a dad joke
>sideways vagina
truly the greatest country in the world

>>512728713 (OP)
it's actually not that hard to learn, the biggest problem is learning vocab
grammar is easy if you know how it works, if you try to learn the language the western way, you will have problem tho because retards try to teach it like they teach english, which you cant

>>512728713 (OP)
We will see the death of the Japanese language in our lifetime because of the declining population and more immigrants who will not be able to master the Japanese language. In addition, the Japanese government would consider adding English to their official language list in the future for the sake of immigrants.

>>512728713 (OP)
It’s hard but not nearly as hard as other Asian languages. Cantonese is way fucking harder. Japanese is not tonal, all the sounds are easy to pronounce, the grammar doesn’t have a bunch of strict and convoluted rules, and even though it’s hard to understand native speakers speaking slang and regional dialects it’s really easy for those same native speakers to understand your sloppy textbook/anime Japanese.

2 kinds of people try to learn japanese as a second language
>weebs nobody talks to anyway
>mass migrants trying to ruin japan better
just leave them alone. let them be japan without you

>>512729173
jew-sama gomenasai, watashi wa filthy goyim desu ne

>>512749394
mass migrants dont learn it, same as mexicans in burrgerlad

argentina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZo0tBBwxdk
bulgaria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPQlkFP1uw
chile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ug9SEBpCDA
croatia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84AA99ZMSgs
finland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBZrlFh-s2M
greece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6La80gdmG4w
guatemala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIgeTowc-U
honduras https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-XZRVyL1WM
hungary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeR_FLtAls0
ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMFLt_kwa7U
japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3RQ1ykyLzs
korea (worst) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ucPOUgqcA
latvia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWc_3tPrKfI
lebanon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQEXbU9S4I
moldova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj0BnP-y9rA
montenegro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5QYq-QTwA
peru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqA-ICZamvQ
poland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dYWkJzo25s
slovakia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4XGicWgZro
slovenia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjwdCFv2ktI
switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7hrsNVYuU
vietnam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F13b0iE6b0
>try it yourself: youtube search "indian immigration to [name any country]"

>>512749619
You're not welcome bloody bitch

saaaaargentinaaaa

>>512749394
The kind of migrants people want never learn the language, unless it's necessary for labor like coding, engineering, etc. English doesn't have this problem since you pretty much need to know it to code and most literature in the sciences are entirely in English, even India and China post almost all of their papers in English. If you're moving to another country as a specialist government will not care if you speak the language at all, they'll see that you're an aerospace engineer and let you in for however long you want. Russian specialists do this all the time in places like Kazakstan, they expect the host country to accommodate them and they often don't even plan on staying.

>>512749619
good thing I am safe

>>512750242
no... the list is only a sampling.
nobody is safe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiPqZ9QQ_I
i'm starting to think the secret of antarctica is it's full of backup pajeets

>>512728713 (OP)
Japanese is dirty easy as a language. Its just hard to learn when you know other languages.
Pure anthropology points to Japanese being very near to babble, that is how human babies for sentences. If you want to talk about real things it's great. They borrow so many words and have fucked up words for modern concepts because they are still using so much of the base language that talks about the real world.

Want to talk about cutting wood then moving it and making a house, great.
Want to talk about the effects of technology on changing political habits in subsections of society... Well now you are fucked.

>>512728949
Exactly, I'm wondering wtf OP is talking about.
There's a reason very few Chinese speak English clearly but many Japanese do.

>>512749619
Biological weapon.

>>512742547
I learned Romanian and all the college level words come from French same as Wnglish

>>512742859
Latin peoples are fairly algorithmic actually

>>512728713 (OP)
>Would you learn Japanese?

If I was independently wealthy and had a lot of free time, sure, maybe. But really only if I thought I would travel to Japan on any regular basis.

I currently know Spanish, which to me makes sense given that countries that border the US speak Spanish, and it's a language I can actually use regularly.

If I were to learn a third language, it would probably be German or French, because even if I didn't travel to Germany or France regularly, there is a lot of literature and historical works of art written in those languages that has not been well translated. I'd love to read some German philosophy in German and actually truly understand it how it was written.

I can't say there are really any ancient Japanese works of art that I'd love to read in Japanese, and I don't care enough about Anime or Manga to want to read it in Japanese.

>>512728713 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVGwK6N1iGs

>>512736708
It's actually easier if you just go fast and turn your brain off while listening.

>>512737046
Chinese tones are a thousand times easier than Japanese pitch accent.

>>512734408
>胃痛い
literally no one says that.
They'd say
お腹が痛い。

>>512751824
Pitch accent in Japanese is only for the most autistic and dedicated of learners.
Most Japanese learners go their entire lives without ever even being aware of pitch accent.
Many Japanese teachers don’t even realize it exists. They don’t acknowledge it at all during their courses.
Pitch accent is for Japanese learners who want to really approach native level more than previous generations of learners

>>512730058
>No I learned Thai, Shan, and am studying Burmese.
I agree with you on how japanese people are an absolute soulless slog.

Which area of northern thailand do you base out of? I'm laid off, 32, and have $1.6M and a dream. already been out here in asia for 3 years but I was mostly banging random girls in philippines

Which of these would you learn first if you did it over? and where would you place me to live? I like riding motorcycles, having a comfy apartment, and slim women that enjoy sucking off their man

>>512751824
>>512752206
im still convinced this whole 'oh yeah other languages also work off of the pitch of each letter and whether you say it ascending or descending!' is just straight up lies or misunderstood antiquated knowledge etc etc, because english is the fucking same

oh really?
and
oh, REAAAlly?
mean the opposite thing. its not that the language has different conditions for pitches, its just the human element of communication, its not something you need to be taught or learn
anyone who things 'mi-zu' MUST be said in either ascending pitch or descending pitch or else the literal entire word will change IS retarded

>>512746616
extremely based blog post. you're hardcore

>>512728713 (OP)
No lol, beside hanji Japanese is damn easy especially the spellings for us Romanians since they're similar with ours

>>512745986
>I don't know why retarded Japanese even want to learn the globohomo language.
most of them don't, which is why the pay to cost of living ratio is some of the worst in the english teaching world right?
>>512745522
>Despite learning it in school and being exposed to it almsot daily
it's apparently a joke class that they fuck around in while having a bunch of academic pressure elsewhere. english class is like break time in comparison I hear

>>512747540
白人じゃない者を発見!

日本語を学んで痛い。俺はバカ外人だからな。

>>512728713 (OP)
Why would you study a dead language? English alone gives you access to 99% world knowledge already.

>>512731932
Katakana and hiragana take only a couple days to learn. If you spent more than a week on it as a full grown adult you're just retarded.

let's sing along with the alphabet

>>512752893
Pitch accent in Japanese is more akin to stress accent in English.
Think of this this way. A form you submit might by invalid. A person who can’t walk is an invalid. The way you say these is different. The difference is the stress accent in English. One syllable is always emphasized. Right? InVALid. INvalid.
Pitch accent in Japanese is exactly the same. The pitch peaks one one syllable and falls for the rest of the word. That’s always how it works.

>>512750436
it's over the subhuman oligarch mafia won't resist replacing the entire workforce

>>512752893
Think of HOW you proNOUNCE ENGlish. You put a CERtain EMPhasis on SOME SYLLables over OTHers, RIGHT? Like… We say DOCtor. Not docTOR. Think about it.
JapanESE has something diRECtly aNAlogous to this.

>>512730058
It's true, Japan is boring and safe. Good to raise a family. Spend your young buck days wiling around wilder countries. Don't get caught being 40 and broke doing that though. Then it becomes sad.

>>512728713 (OP)
You should define what you mean by the hardest.
I suspect that it is just very different from English which would make it difficult for native English speakers but not necessarily objectively hard.

>>512757170
You can have the most difficult, the most irregular, retarded language on all of planet earth. But if you grow up speaking it, it will feel as natural as breathing air to you. That’s just how it is

>>512728713 (OP)
I thought chinese was supposed to be harder?

No I would not waste my effort learning their nazi scumbag language for pedophiles they can learn English if they want to sell us pedophilia and groping women on trains all day. They are the mot overrated country ever to exist.

>>512728713 (OP)
Eto ohayo gozaimasu ano watashi wo gajin baka kawaii desu ka

>>512728713 (OP)
It's not even on the "hard" list, let alone "hardest".
Although for retards any language could pose a challenge.
If you are looking for a real diffuculty try Chinese.

>>512743000
>Slavic languages
Nigga what is there to learn its the most basic language and you literally can't fuck it up no matter how you try, if something unclear just say it louder: вoдкa дaй блять, блять дaй вoдкa, блять вoдкa дaй. No matter how you juggle words, no matter which vowel do you stress, it'll always have the exact same meaning, its a fool proof language so even the dumbest of idiots could learn it.

>>512756861
>Good to raise a family
lol no it's not
it's horrible to raise a family (at least ~10yo when I was there)

literally 0 support, 0 government help, 0 understanding from society
people and businesses just don't care about kids at all in Japan

back in Germany
>get 250€/month government gibs for every kids
>education is free from 1yo
>company understand if kid is sick and I gotta work from home
>every venue accommodates for children
the list goes on and on and on

the only countries I've been to that are genuinely better for kids are
>France
and only because there's more understanding for big families (fuck "2 adults 2 kids" family entries, what about my 3rd child)
>Israel
unironically
mostly because literally everyone had 2 or 3 kids and everyone understood
so no childless demons

>>512741678
I’ve been watching anime for 38 years and I agree a lot of translations suck dick (never formally learned lmao).

>>512733659
>some strokes
What it's like posting about stuff you have no clue because you're retarded/narcissistic?

>>512756555
>>512756728
some people DO say docTOR and inVALid, its literally just hundreds of years of mimmicary across millions of families/areas/districts/counties/countries, theres no 'correct' answer, its just that native speakers have an easier time understanding 'oh he means an invalid'

>>512728713 (OP)
It is the hardest if you native language is English.

>>512747013
Japanese is easier than Finnish.

>>512733374
I stopped at enough Kanji to read doujin raw. That's all your language is good for rofl.

>>512731543
>The average Japanese person is so used to writing on keyboard that they forget how to write even simple kanji.
lol you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

>>512728713 (OP)
No kurwa rzeczywiście. Jebany mieszaniec na necie będzie pierdolilc że jakiś japoński jest ciężki. Kurwik nie słyszał o polskim chyba kek

doki doki gozaimasu ^^

>>512728713 (OP)
You can learn any language easily using the comprehensible input method. Japanese is way easier than English, it has simple rules with no surprises. Instead, how about admitting that you should make illegal male infant genital mutilation?

>>512728713 (OP)
Japanese is one of the easiest languages I’ve spent time learning. It comes natural for some reason and the grammar is logical.

>>512728713 (OP)
there's no reason for anyone to learn or know japanese, unless you're japanese and don't plan to leave japan.

foreigner in japan:
>either slave worker, english teacher, or rich expat
no need

foreigner abroad:
>any japanese abroad will know english or be with people who do
also no need

japanese abroad:
>nobody except giga-weebs will speak it
need to learn english

it's going to become a dead language eventually.

>>512728713 (OP)
>Would you learn Japanese?
No. Same reason I won't learn a romance language. Too feminine sounding.

>>512752836
Bumping my question

>>512733570
finna learn to talk the live talk fr fr nocap f a m

>>512728713 (OP)
>Even the Obama Administration admitted it.
Niggers, trannies faggots and halfbreeds.

>>512728713 (OP)
Arabic is harder than Japanese grammatically. It has intricate, strict and very technical rules. Japanese writing system is far harder.
What I have noticed though is that Japanese is far easier to pronounce for most people due to lack of gutteral or unique sounds. Arabic is sometimes called the language of ض because that letter and its corresponding sound is unique to it (among non-obscure languages.)
So Arabic: very hard to *speak* proprrly in. Japanese: Very hard to *write* properly in.

>>512764972
Japanese has very simple sounds, yes. It's also actually phonetic, so when you read three hiragana or katakana you actually know how to pronounce it.

>>512766932
Read the* hiragana
Fucking autocorrect, I swear to god... It gets worse every fucking year

>>512728713 (OP)
Japanese is ONLY hard for speakers of languages like English or German, or even French. Asia has languages similar to it, like Korean or Chinese.

I reckon cantonese and mandarin are harder. Definitely harder to speak it.

>>512760174
Yeah, in both English and Japanese, you can still understand someone even if they get stress:pitch accent wrong. Many foreigners just ignore stress accent in English but you can still understand what they’re saying. Getting the correct pitch/stress just sounds more native like and natural. It’s not essential to speaking or understanding.

>>512728713 (OP)
From Duck.AI:

## Difficult Languages to Learn for an American

Learning a new language can vary significantly based on the learner's native language. For an American, some languages are considered more challenging to learn due to significant differences in grammar, pronunciation, and vocabulary. Here’s a list of the most challenging languages:

### Tonal Languages
- **Mandarin Chinese**: Tone is crucial; a change in tone can completely alter the meaning of a word.
- **Vietnamese**: This language is also tonal and has a grammatical structure very different from English.

### Languages with Complex Writing Systems
- **Arabic**: It has a completely different alphabet and is written from right to left. Additionally, dialectal variations can further complicate learning.
- **Japanese**: It uses three writing systems (hiragana, katakana, and kanji), making reading and writing particularly challenging.

### Languages with Complex Grammar
- **Hungarian**: It has a very complex grammar with grammatical cases and a sentence structure different from English.
- **Finnish**: It features a case system and morphology that can be difficult for English speakers.

### Languages with Very Different Lexicon and Structure
- **Russian**: It has a Cyrillic alphabet and a grammar with declensions that can be complicated.
- **Polish**: This language also has complex grammar and a case system, along with sounds that can be difficult for native English speakers to pronounce.

These languages require significant commitment and consistent practice to be learned effectively.

>>512728949
LOOOL
Try chinkenese