he thinks other countries pay the tariff

It's fucking beyond hilarity migatards dont realize hes taxing them to give cuts to the ultrarich

>>512745528 (OP)
>t. other countries who are paying and mad about it

They do lmao
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/japanese-automakers-losing-20-million-day-us-tariffs

>>512745593
chink seethe best seethe

They do, but we still feel the price increase. I really don't understand why people are arguing about this when it's an easy concept to grasp.

>>512745711
reading comprehension not your strong suit is it?

>>512745528 (OP)
both pay for it, retard

Economics PhD here. The answer is actually, it depends.

If foreign exporters have enough pricing power or the importer cannot easily switch suppliers, the tariff’s cost can be passed on to domestic consumers through higher prices.

Conversely, if exporters face intense competition or a strong domestic alternative exists, they may absorb more of the cost by lowering their prices to stay competitive. In short, importers write the cheque, but the economic incidence of the tariff can fall on exporters, consumers, or both, depending on price elasticities.

>>512745593
he cut healthcare and put tariffs to give tax cuts to the rich. Doesn't really matter, same is happening everywhere in the west. Here, since like 2000 government healthcare is getting worse and worse because private healthcare is lobbying the shit out of government to siphon public companies funds to themselves. It's also funny that government privatizes parts that are profitable and keeps the parts that are unprofitable and then keep saying that "see? Public healthcare doesn't work because it costs so much"

>>512745593
When the fuck has this line ever worked?
>"ermagherd tax cutz for da reech"
Nobody gives a fuck, nigger.

>>512746093
Fag, pay for your own military before you whine about how expensive healthcare is. You haven't seen anything yet. Your government healthcare costs will double overnight.

>>512746062
>Conversely, if exporters face intense competition or a strong domestic alternative exists, they may absorb more of the cost by lowering their prices to stay competitive.
Maybe in theory. But in practice? No. They just leave that market until the tariffs fall again. It's not as if they have a mandate to supply the Americans with cheap future technology.

>>512746264
in the old system before 2014, my government owned hospital owned xray machines and I had to pay 4 euros for xray scan, after 2014, xray shit was privatized and now I get one free scan a year(i dont need more lol) and government pays 50 euros for that scan. System before 2014 was a relique of USSR, this new system is cancer of capitalism.

>>512745528 (OP)
They do.
But they pass those costs on to the consumer.
As usual.

>>512746062
Yup. And when the consumer says, "I'm not paying that" prices will drop. This means either wholesalers and/or retailers will shrink the margins, either to keep up volume or market share.

I think you're going to see about a 70/30 split here in the states with retailers eating most of it because they have the largest margins by far. Most Americans don't realize just how much they've been getting fleeced at the register, paying sometimes 600-1000% retail markup.

>>512746264
oh yeah and about NATO myth, you are not paying for our military, you never fought a war for US so stfu. As for Ukraine, you caused it, if you don't remember it wasn't EU leaders in 2014 flying to Ukraine and telling them to fight, it was Victoria Nuland and John McCain telling ukrainians to fight for ((freedom and democracy)) so you caused all this shit now fight your war.

>>512746425
>"government healthcare sucked before 2014 when I paid for my xray"
>"government healthcare sucks after 2014 when the government pays for my xray"
>"capitalism did this"

So your "commie" healthcare was cheaper when you paid for it yourself, but your "capitalist" helathcare is more expensive now that it's "free".

>>512746553
>you never fought a war for US so stfu

Turns out militaries cost money even when you're not at war. Weird.

You don't really understand much, do you?

>>512745870
you don't have a response for a reason memeflag

>>512745657
I don’t understand how stupid or disingenuous Migapedes can be. Is it because your a christcuck who has insane coping mechanisms or are you genuinely subhuman like a pajeet that thinks it smells nice

>>512746864
a grand total of $0.00 tariffs have been paid by the exporting countries

>>512746953
It's just because we're smarter than you, and you're like a little baby who can't understand what everyone is doing.

>>512746811
you have less than 1000 soldiers here who will just fly out the same minute Russia invades. Your presence here just makes it more of a chance that this will be a warzone instead of a quick take over with no casualties.

>>512747072
Yeah, your economy is crashing and you’ll be much poorer 3 years from now. The US dollar already lost 15% of its value against the euro and the year isn’t even over

Tariffs are just taxes on importers, it's actually a clever way to tax businesses and make them pay their fair share. Unfortunately, the revenue generated from these taxes will not be used to make America great, they will be used to make Israel great.

>>512747161
You keep saying stuff that every smart person just ignores, and you don't know why

and then your prediction doesn't come true and you don't know why
and nothing you do matters and you don't know why

>>512747197
It's also a great way for me to get caught in the crossfire of a dumb boomer fantasy and have one of my hobbies ruined.

>>512747089
>militaries are only soldiers

God damn, man. You are 0 for 3.

>>512746445
In a free market, you're right.

But in a market where 5 parent companies own 90% of the products you can purchase, that's just not true, because they can use their market share and capital reserves to keep prices high regardless and you'll eventually buy it anyway, because you have no choice. See: groceries.

It doesn't matter if Americans can see they are getting fucked or not, there is no meaningful competition, so they either pay or go without.

>>512745528 (OP)
Democrats finally got the corporate taxes they wanted, now it’s bad somehow

>>512747197
Businesses pass the tax on to consumers as price markups to offset the tariff cost.

>>512747330
It's going to billionaires and Israel, not Americans who desperately need help.

>>512745528 (OP)
they kinda do if the tax revenue is going up

>>512745593
Are leftists seething? If the answer is yes, then it doesn't matter what he's doing.

>>512747297
Bullshit. People aren't forced to buy chinkware at gunpoint. When people's disposable income doesn't stretch as far, they don't line up to buy the next widget they don't need. They stop buying shit and focus on what they need, not superfluous trash that's going to end up in some African landfill. That means even if you have a complete monopoly you can not force behavior, so if your prices exceed what people are willing to pay, you lose volume in a monopoly, or market share otherwise.

They won't believe tariffs are taxes and they won't believe the inevitable price controls are price controls but whatever based free market anticommie thing Trump spins it as

>>512746093
wtf even is healthcare I haven't even been to a doctor in a decade and all I hear from my boomer family sitting around lately is
what healthcare u got
heh I pay for mine
ooo the government gives me mine
then I say I don't give a shit and they're like racist incel and go back to going around in circles about what healthcare they have, yet what does it even do for you
it seems like all they can do is civil war, amputate you if something has gone horribly wrong. by that point idgaf if I have 80k in medical debt if I'm missing a limb. what a scam.

>>512745593
true, instead we should directly tax corporations who wont raise prices or fire workers to compensate

>>512745528 (OP)
men aren’t smart, more news at 11

>>512746445
Tariff transfer to the consumer in the US is typically 130%.
You're greedy and you're lazy. Yeah, maybe if you're trying to sell shit in Burma or something they tap out but the American consumer isn't going to suddenly put on an extra 20 IQ points and the ready availability and social acceptability of credit means they will just go on spending.

>>512745528 (OP)
It’s a tax on hylics, which may unironically put us into a surplus

Economics goes as far to call people “consumers” but that’s a generous term, and we have decades of recorded history proving definitively that most people are completely and irredeemably stupid.

Tariffs are far-removed enough from the buyer that they’ll piss and moan and that’s that.

>>512747609
The same tactic is being used for shit people need as well. Like food, hence why I used the grocery example. Prices skyrocketed because you can't just...not buy food. The grocery chains are owned by 2 companies that collude prices. Even your farmer's markets are organized by regional market organizations and many of them have standard pricing as a requirement to set up. You can't just not buy plates, not buy food, not buy medicine, not fix your air conditioner, not own a vehicle, et cetera.

This isn't a problem of people buying too much random Chinese garbage. I don't think you understand how far the market in the US has been consolidated. We haven't meaningfully enforced antitrust laws since Reagan.

>>512745528 (OP)
Yes, the tarrif is on the other country.
They can (and often do) pass the cost to the customer.
Either side chooses if they are going to pay. It's still up to the tariffed party to choose how to deal with it.

Either the other country eats the cost, stops selling to the customer (the US in this case), or raises their prices.

This effects cheap, very low margin profit items and companies the most since the increased cost destroys that strategy.

Saying the tariff is a tax on the customer is a flat lie. It's not even the country that the tariff is applied to unless you're talking about government run business (like all of China) if you want to get technical, it's the companies in those countries that choose what to do with the tax.

Yes, companies can pass it to the customer but it's going to eat into their margin and make the product they're trying to sell less attractive.

I have read the entire thread and declare >>512746264 the biggest retard here

Thank you all for your attention to this matter!