We gave it a shot but only the rich got richer. It’s time to try socialism.

>>512783820 (OP)
Faggot.

>It's time to try
Feralism

>>512783845
>>512783902
Cope and seethe liberals

>>512783820 (OP)
I see your socialism and raise you ethno national socialism. Your move.

>>512783820 (OP)
>rich people are... le bad!
shut the fuck up commie

>>512784027
its the same thing and always was the same thing.

>>512784080
Shut up cuck

>>512784080
Based. We worship CEOs and Jews to own the leftoids.

>>512783820 (OP)
>posted from my capitalist computer

>>512784027
>>512784117
It will always be a liberal cope by those who know nothing

>>512784199
Worker made computer

>>512784231
you're insufferable and are probably a glownigger. nobody cares what you say

Why don't we try actually enforcing the rules of capitalism first?

>>512784315
>you're insufferable
Good. Fuck you.
>>512784364
You did.

>>512783820 (OP)
Is it really capitalism tho? isn't capitalism suppose to be a free market that regulates itself after supply and demand?
But all the biggest "capitalistic" companies get INSANE amount of government subsidies and tax-breaks from the state... which means nobody is even allowed to compete with the big boys.

>>512784283
>Worker makes things that work in capitalism

>>512784364
So much this. Real capitalism has unironically never been tried.

>>512783845
_thread

let's swap, you come to belarus to try socialism, and i'll go to the USA to live like a king under capitalism

>>512783820 (OP)
Both have been tried.
Try the third way. We got nukes now.

>>512783820 (OP)

>>512783820 (OP)
Eradicating the greedy doesn't actually entail feeling any certain way about one economic theory or another.
If someone has too much, shoot them. This doesn't require rebuilding anything.

>>512784477
uh yes it has

Central Banking devoured everyone's stonks over the past 30 to 40 years and it's only getting worse

>>512783820 (OP)
Capitalism: rich get richer

Socialism: poor get poorer.

>>512784418
You realize that most of the shit you have a problem with is, infact, very illegal under a legitimate, properly ran capitalist system?

>>512784437
Capitalism’s only benefit is that it is better than feudalism. Only the capitalist needs the system. The worker will do just fine without fat cats breathing down their necks.

>>512783820 (OP)
Let's see... Capitalism where the rich get richer but I still have a smartphone, a house, any groceries I want, the Internet, and disposable income... Or communism, where people with the right connections live the same way as the rich do under capitalism while everyone else waits in bread lines and people are forced to work the same shit jobs they would under capitalism but get no reward based on how specialized/complex the tasks are... Nice bait thread faggot. All fields.

>>512784576
This. It worked great in South America. It's time to export our ideology to North America.

We can finally unite both Americas into one cohesive culture with the crabs in bucket economy that we know and love.

>>512784696
It’s not even a quarter. Don’t even try to pretend you know what I speak of.

>>512784681
And most of it was done illegally. What is this special property that communism has that just 100% prevents corruption? What is it, tell me

>>512784888
And what make you an authority?

>>512784027
>Ethno national socialism
Kike

>>512784877
>disposable income
Slave wages
>where people with the right connections live the same way as the rich do under capitalism while everyone else waits in bread lines and people are forced to work the same shit jobs they would under capitalism but get no reward based on how specialized/complex the tasks are
Congratulations, you just described capitalism

>>512783820 (OP)
Dude, I've been an orphan since I was 7 and I've got a fucking super computer on my desk with a $3600 Wacom Cintique 24" Pro. with it. No communist country can rival that. So fuck off.

>>512784929
Do you think politicians would just lie to the people?

>>512784080
This is embarrassingly shit
Go back

>>512784477
BASED

>>512785072
>Commie predditor telling anyone else to go back

>>512785052
Uhh ya. Duh retard

>>512784979
The authority of what exactly you stupid fool?
>>512785045
You should have been an abortion instead
>>512785149
Return to dust

>>512785218
Lol okay meme flag. Hope you have fun today

>>512784882
Pulled down from below or pushed down from above, you pick.

>>512783820 (OP)
1pbtid

>>512785257
I hope you have a miserable day with an accident that leads to your more than timely demise

>>512785311
>1pbtid by a literal 1pbtid
sigh…what a faggot.

>>512785369
How very tolerant and compassionate of you

>>512783820 (OP)
I gave that a shot and i was a billionaire who could afford nothing

>>512785149
>Heh if you're not THIS side you're on the other!
Do you get paid to be retarded, or does it just come naturally to you?

>>512785436
You deserve neither.

>>512785442
Sounds good to me!

>>512785560
You are soooo edgy, I can't even. Your pussy game must be OFF THE HOOK

>>512785529
You are brown and a commie.

>>512783820 (OP)
nigger you live in the most centrally planned economy of all-time
you are a fucking retard

>>512785756
Aw, did you get upset over that little declaration of hate? Had to come up with of the most simpleton statements to counteract that? Let me add to that declaration. You should die alone, in miserable agony.
>>512785914
Cracker breaking
>>512786036
>you live in the most centrally planned economy of all-time
K.

>>512785914
Half right, but only when it's sunny!
Good job!
>We love to see improvement

Globalist economies need to watch their interest rate

>>512786289
You're so cool man! I bet you know all the hazbin hotel characters by name! Can we hangout?

>>512786470
Only if you're the gay one!

>>512786470
I’m insulted you brought up that trash to me. Go jump off a bridge, now.

>>512785567
Stacks of these

>>512786640
Ah, I see the issue! You put 5 instead of 6!

>>512786588
lol okay buddy, okay. You have no argument and so call for my death, very communista

>>512783820 (OP)
I'd have to agree. With AI and robots coming to take most or all jobs we'll need something different since people won't be working. It's the inevitable future.
Furthermore at this time, the bottom 50% of Americans hold less than 3% of the wealth.
The top 10% of Americans hold 2/3rds of the wealth almost 70%.
It's gone entirely out of control.
Trump gave the rich further tax cuts at the expense of the bottom Americans.
The money keeps funneling to the top and to the few.
Indeed capitalism has just about run it's course.

>>512783820 (OP)
It's like a dangerously malfunctioning old car, you change it or die crashing. Socialism or barbarism.

>>512783820 (OP)
Agreed. We should implement the socialism they have in chyna, the nationalist type
We dis our best but it’s time to try something new

>>512787057
>Things are bad because of government corruption and so we must transition into a fully state controlled system to solve the problem
??? Am I missing something here
You realize that most of the corruption in America is facilitated by socialist policies yes?

>>512787228
>>512787362
See>>512787371

>>512787047
>You have no argument
I don’t care to have an argument with you. I just don’t want to share the same plane of existence with you, that’s all.

>>512787371
So Trump is socialist now?
In any case as I said socialism is the future.
It is inevitable. Machines and AI will do too much and we can't let most of the country be homeless living in tents.

>>512787449
Ditto buddy ditto. Difference between us is, I can actually fight

>>512783820 (OP)
Tell us dipshit, when's the last time socialism worked out?

I’d try anything honestly. The world has been governed by money since the time Jesus literally spit on the priests over it. I will take fascism, monarchy, I’ll be a slave to a good man with a fat dick before I let a dollar glaze my fucking eyelids shut, and I will kill anyone in the way

>>512787485
Maybe 100 years from now.
Too bad, you're going to have to work you lazy fucker.

>>512783820 (OP)
I invoke the power of LeMay doctrine.

>>512787599
Communism is ruled by money just as much as capitalism is. Don't let these lying fucks try and convince you otherwise

>>512787500
You can fight your self interest, and that’s all you can do. But what you should really do is hop off the nearest bridge to your current locale.

>>512787762
Communism doesn’t have money. Cope.

>>512787625
>Maybe 100 years from now.
Yea under capitalism it probably will be even longer than that. After all, you combine AI, with free/abundant energy, with robotics, that breaks capitalism. Which is why the US government for the last 100 years has been confiscating technology particularly energy based. Under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 if you invent a 50% efficient solar panel they'll come and steal all your work, destroy your lab, and maybe even vanish you.
China is trying to build a fusion reactor where's ours? Why all the scare mongering about AI?
Why the confiscation of energy tech? Beware the machines they'll take your jobs!
It's all to keep us wage slaving and to keep the system going the elite enjoy.
They like being the havers and everyone else being the have nots and working their bones to the breaking point.
It's all to keep the status quo.
Instead of freeing humanity.

>>512787906
Lol, why does every "communist" country go full on capitalist?
China, vietnam, and russia all went straight to a capitalistic economy, why is this?

>>512787978
Good grief, do you have any actual proof for what you claim?

>>512787997
Maybe because they weren’t communist to begin with

>>512788075
Ah, you're one of those "haven't really tried it" type of idiot, that shit was played out 20 years ago.

>>512788069
You can research all I've just claimed yes the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 is a real thing they confiscate around 2000 patents a year and allow the military to use some of it. Most of it is energy based technology.

>>512783820 (OP)
but I got richer though

why do you hate me?

>>512788196
Yup, no proof.
I bet the world is flat too, huh?

>>512788132
Who are you to say otherwise exactly?
>that shit was played out 20 years ago
Never did play out. It simply made you too uncomfortable.

>>512788350
No, teens and early twenties morons have made the same shitty argument since the 60's.
Obviously history isnt your strong suit or you know communism cant work due to base human nature.

>>512788350
We are you so against trying rules based capitalism were when rich corpo assholes trying to game the system they go to jail? What is so bad about that?

>>512788318
In a different timeline Tesla would have set us free 100 years ago. We'd have built steam punk machines in the beginning and by now we'd have a different world.
But the government confiscated his lab. And all his work. And we have never seen any of it experimented with or employed for the public.
And that's just the start, the beginning of the horrible confiscation of technology from the public. It's been happening ever since. We are being held back technologically because if we aren't, it breaks capitalism. You don't need human workers with the combination of AI, robotics, and abundant energy.

>>512783820 (OP)
>Drinks wine while people starve to death.

The powerful will always control the poor.

>>512788464
> No, teens and early twenties morons have made the same shitty argument since the 60's
And they’ll keep making it, because it turns out it’s not the shitty thing here. That would be you, and the system you so desperately protect.

>base human nature.
Oh boy, this shit.
>>512788598
Because it’s already been tried. And it failed. So now heads will roll soon enough.

>>512788714
Where will all these robots come from?
Which battery has the energy density to run robots for the lengths of time needed for your utopia?
I dont hink you how expensive tech like that is.

>>512788844
No one is stopping you from creating or joining a commune, why not start there?

>>512783820 (OP)
Yes. Mixed with nationalism

>>512783845
>>512784080
>>512784877
Your nose.

>>512785218
>>>512785045 (You)
>You should have been an abortion instead


(((Communists))) are always obsessed wiht ripping babies out of their mother's wombs limb from bloody limb. I wonder why that is??

>>512785149
You are not ONLY from r*ddit, you are also Jewish and well poisoning.

Your tactics aren't working anymore.

>>512788893
I don't think you understand how the ether works small brain. Or what Tesla was trying to do.
With free energy flowing through the air light bulbs don't need to be plugged in, Tesla demonstrated this. His copper towers were going to light up everything. You can turn things on and off but you wouldn't have to plug them in.
And then if you have that going you build automated factories to build robots. You build robots that build robots and then robots that repair robots and robots that harvest all resources and robots that fabricate all resources in a fully autonomous system that never sleeps, doesn't get tired or pregnant, doesn't need time off.
And then we harvest from the earth everything we need.

>>512788844
Okay, just cause YOU say it has been tried, doesn't make it so

>>512783820 (OP)
Socialism isn't enough.
Material conditions are only part of the picture.
Our relationships with nature, each other, and knowledge are also essential.
Mechanistic materialism is just as much brain rot as Abrahamism, and capitalist materialism has been baked into our language in the form of the metaphors we use, our values, and how we talk about things.
Curiosity, creativity, and intellectualism needs to be massively promoted not as a luxury, not as "good to have," but absolutely ESSENTIAL.
Want a material reason? A society that doesn't learn is doomed to burn, as it is rendered incapable of dealing with its ever-changing problems and challenges.
We're dealing with the consequences of this as global corporate capitalism needs to keep the masses dumb, numb, and ignorant to keep them controllable.

>>512789069
Communism doesn't fix your picrel

>>512789119
>The government ruined this place and so, the answer, is obviously, more government
This is what you guys are saying by supporting communism and it breaks my brain

>>512783820 (OP)
Nah, last time that killed tens of millions, a few fags getting richer is a small price to pay in comparison.
Genuinely new suggestions remain welcome, not tried and failed ones.

When hundreds of millions dead under communism wasn't enough? Just move to a commie country OP. And take your death cult ideology with you.

>>512788942
>No one is stopping you from creating or joining a commune
Your naivety disgusts me
>>512788975
I just want you as nothing more forgotten dust. You simply overthought things and projecting unto others yet again.
>>512789090
You are correct. However there’s a small issue with your argument: that’s a two way street. And another small issue is that you have zero examples of a valid communist project as well.
>>512789366
>hundreds of millions
>>512789346
>tens of millions
Someone is confused again

>And then we harvest from the earth everything we need.
This is an example of materialist brainrot.
"Harvest from the Earth."
Echoes of Abrahamism in pseudo-secular garb.
Genesis 1:26-28
>26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
>27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
>28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Treating the Earth as a lumberyard and gravel pit is metaphysical capitalism.
I'm not saying that we go back to pre-civilization, but unless we address the metaphysical brain rot behind capitalism (starting with human supremacism,) civilization is destined to catastrophically collapse.

>>512789602
Two more weeks.

>>512789571
Ya well, I did tell you to jump off a fucking building you nasty little shit

>>512789702
*Didnt

>>512783820 (OP)
> the rich got richer.
We tried socialism many times, millions died.

>>512784199
No, see, with socialism we will just get free iPhones and computers. And don't bother asking who will make them, I'm not playing your "what about" games

>>512789160
What is the cause of picrel?

>>512789702
Which one are you dumbass. Regardless, go jump off a bridge.
>>512789809
Confused yet again

>>512789818
>don't bother asking who will make them
Workers participating in society, without your disgusting mercenary way of thinking

>>512783820 (OP)
Whoa, cool it with the antisemitism

>>512789830
Corruption. It's present in every political system conceivable but communism, in my opinion, is especially susceptible to it because there are very little checks and balances installed

>>512789973
Of course the confederate flag wearer has the dumbest response

>>512787762
Like I said I don’t give a shit what the flavor of the month is, but the current trash is gonna fucking go

>>512783820 (OP)
>It’s time to try socialism.
Yes, we are doing National Socialism now, try to keep up Anon.

>>512785529
It's actually kind of incredible because that's peak reddit behavior. If you criticize anything about democrats, they tell you you're in a pedo cult even if you're not American

I actually hope the whole Western civilization doesn't fix their society and stick to the deadbeat deadend techno feudal hyper neoliberal virtue signaling liberal left(it's not)ism and sink into the oblivion of history. Russia will rapidly regulate its economy USSR style and adopt the hybrid model after this final Khazarian war which purpose is destroying the West. I disdain the West so much that I hope they continue to do this, Godspeed.

>>512783820 (OP)
Way ahead of you fren

>>512790064
Only Jews are procapitalist antisocialist

>>512790157
>>512790253
>>512790315
From
>Communism killed a gorbillion people
To
>Communism is actually nazism
I see a wall in your futures. And it’s not a nice one.

>>512789571
>>>512788975 (You)
>I just want you as nothing more forgotten dust. You simply overthought things and projecting unto others yet again.

You said "abortion". Of course you said "abortion" or (((abortion))). (((You))) jews are obsessed with murdering babies. You want to wallow in an ocean of freshly slaughtered baby blood. You are murderous villains, lower than tapeworms.

>>512790427
>communism didn’t kill millions
>if you disagree with me you’ll face the wall
Here we see the spiteful mutant tendencies of most communists.

>>512790460
>blur blur blur blur blur blur blur I’m obsessed blur blur blur blur
K

>>512783820 (OP)
Haha
You funny

Why are almost all abortionists jews?

Why??

>>512790427
You will never be a woman

I went to the grocery store the other day and bought five bananas for $1.08. Like how can anyone think that Capitalism isn't absolutely amazing?

>>512790427
There is a massive and fundamental difference between Nationalist Socialism and Internationalist marxist kikey Communist "socialism" : National Socialism actually works well, while communism inevitably devolves into a totalitarian dystopia where there are still massive wealth disparities.
>Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. -Adolf Hitler, 1923

>>512783820 (OP)
Yep, you should move to Venezuella or Cuba. Give it a try.

>>512790598
>communism didn’t kill millions
>if you disagree with me you’ll face the wall
ITS DIALECTICAL YUO SEE
>>512790750
Ok

>>512790598
>the spiteful mutant tendencies of most communists.
They are all delusional, and don't realize they are exactly the kind of worthless parasite of a person who would be liquidated on day one of a gommunist revolution.

>>512790784
>There is a massive and fundamental difference between Nationalist Socialism and Internationalist marxist kikey Communist "socialism"
Yeah, one of them is liberal cope named by snakes that is partly based on racial pseudoscience, and the other one is actually socialism.

>>512790819
>DIALECTICAL
The shit so jewish it makes me suspect Hegel of being a cryptokike. And the kike you posted was a son of main rabbi of that town.

>>512791120
You think I care for you using the Jewish as an insult. All you’ve done is reaffirm my judgment that you belong at the bottom of a bridge.

>>512790802
Venezuela and Cuba are communist
OP is saying we need to try socialism because all the wealth is being hoarded by the richest people and it's making it hard for 99% of people to live. Socialism could help redistribute the wealth better, otherwise we're heading for some technocratic feudal peasant system

>>512783820 (OP)
>only the rich got richer
I had $200 before
Now I own my land, house, and business helping farmers and landscapers maintain equipment to keep out the globohomo subscription reliance while my family and I raise most of our food and my investments are comfy.

Fuck off.

>>512783820 (OP)
> It’s time to try socialism.
Has never been tried before, right?

>>512783820 (OP)
>muh capitalism vs communism false dichotomy
In reality, you will get neither capitalism nor communism. You get techno feudalism, which brings you the worst of all worlds. Rich corporations and elites get socialism and government protections and are propped up by taxpayers. Everyone else gets rugged capitalism to keep them poor.
You wanna start a business and do some capitalism of your own? Too bad, there are like 35 different laws and regulations and permits and license fees and insurance costs you have to pay before you can even THINK about going into business. A child can’t even run a lemonade stand without getting permits from the state. How the fuck is that capitalism?
Because what we have isn’t capitalism. It’s corporate feudalism where the government gives special protections, benefits, and subsidies to established corporations while shutting everyone else out.

>>512784364
>let's use a political solution to solve the problem caused by crony capitalists funding the politicians
Surely that will fix it.

>>512783820 (OP)
Crazy that americans forgot that they had one of the best capitalistic systems under FDR but then reagen skull fucked the middle class and now they are in this shit.

>>512791568
Wow. Literally nothing you said here was correct. Go read the manifesto or forever hold your tongue.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

>>512790050
And obviously capitalism is as well, because that happened under capitalism.

What kind of system would be more likely to have people paid what their labor is worth?

>>512791728
I didn't provide a vector. Break into the capital and put their heads on stakes if that's what it takes. I'm just saying that before you throw out our entire financial system, maybe try fixing it first

>>512791561
>I inherited way more than $200 and I got rich using foreign laborers
Ok keep your tourist money on your side of the border, we hate the faggy way you people and your jeet pets drive.

>>512791568
Whatever makes you sleep at night.

>>512791905
Something with a free market, personal property and a balkanization of government power (aka state rule)

>>512790050
There’s literally no government for there to be checks or balances
>>512791905
Communism

>>512792095
>There’s literally no government for there to be checks or balances
Correct. Only a dictator

As long as government exists, there will be corruption.
Even if you give them half your paycheck, do you genuinely believe it would solve your problems?

>>512792163
>Dictator
What the fuck did I just say you stupid shit. There is no state for there to be a dictator.

>>512792326
So anarchy?

>>512791728
I am sure with a every man for himself system everything would just work out. Not like that was one of the main problems during the great depression.

>>512792384
No. Communism.

>>512792523
So a communist state lead by a party leader (dictator)

>>512783820 (OP)
Is capitalism just socialism with niggers?
Seems to be.

>>512784530
And how much of the 25 point plan was actually realized? Hardly none of it. Sorry, but free markets win.

>>512792752
What part of
>no state
>no government
>no dictator
Did you not get?
>party leader
What you are trying to describe is a vanguard party. No, not everyone is a Leninist.

Extreme concentration of wealth leads to extreme concentration of power.

Extreme concentration of power erodes democracy and economic freedom.

Therefore, the state (or people) have a moral and practical right to break up that concentration, either via taxation, caps, or outright seizure in some cases.

>>512793050
Do you.. understand the definition of a state?

>>512793220
Yep. Perfectly clear. Fully acknowledged. We don’t want it.

>>512793343
So, anarchy?

>>512783820 (OP)
How about no government at all?

>>512783820 (OP)
>Capitalism doesn’t work
works fine unless you don't work, you lazy faggot. now tongue my asshole for money or die.

>>512783820 (OP)
truth
capitalism has failed
America is falling behind because we are governed by short term greed and not strategic thinking.

>>512793365
Already exists. Don't believe me? What do you think would happen if the government said "no more food and water for you?"

>>512793365
No. They have a supposedly similar end goal (at least some of them do), but the means to achieve that end goal are not the same.

you still aren't trans OP

>>512783820 (OP)
capitalism does work, is doesn't work with shitty people, like any economic system- it's just a tool, and all tools are only as good as those that wield it, get the fuck off my board you retard.

>>512793425
Do we get to bitch slap disrespectful bosses?

>>512793425
"work" for an increasingly large amount of people is trading stocks or pointless coins like BTC. this is "capitalism" that you praise. meanwhile, people that do REAL work and keep these people afloat make dogshit wages and are barely getting by.

GREAT SYSTEM buddy. fucking dumb capitalist cucks.

>>512793605
We would begin killing government officials
>>512793609
Hey man, I can get behind anarchy but you are pushing communism which I will never support

>>512793711
It's corporate slavery. Slavery never went away, it just took on a new form.

>>512793754
>fag noises
i said tongue ass, bitch...

>>512783820 (OP)
No, capitalism works great, at exploiting established systems and gaining rapid advantages. It sucks donkey dick for stability or raising quality of life for the people because it is exploitative. The problem is, if you switch to a closed/planned economy, other capitalist systems will tear it apart from the outside unless you use force to beat them down or are an actual autarky which is nearly impossible. Either way, progress from here would needs be more government control of markets, the last 30 years have shown very clearly what disaster waits when companies are left unchecked.

>>512793733
if you could do that you wouldnt be a wagie bitch slave now would you powerless faggot nigger?

>>512784364
One of EXTREMELY few billionaires that unironically deserved their wealth.

>>512793845
I can do you one better, living is slavery, you have to like- get up and like, drink water and food and stuff...this is slavery and I am an college student that fucks many hot girls, you will never be more validated on your position as I am.

>>512793784
>I can get behind anarchy
Of course you can
>but you are pushing communism which I will never support
And I expect zero explanation for that decision as well

>>512793929
Well, I was jokingly referring to how there is basically no protection for workers. That pretty much is the very definition of slavery.

>>512794049
You are lost and angry. Good luck anon, I hope you find peace

>>512793917
So basically the only solution is natsoc

>>512793158
>concentrating all power and wealth in the state solves concentration of wealth and power

communists are fucking retards

>>512793963
So, you are a simp and a cuck at the same time. Congrats.

>>512783820 (OP)
lmaooo just look at us retard, learn some history

>>512794189
that's what you walked away with? Either persistent troll based on other faggots here that I didn't read or genuine retard.

>>512794125
>You are lost and angry
I am perfectly aware and calm on this basket weaving forum
>>512794184
No state

>>512794069
>Well, I was jokingly referring to how there is basically no protection for workers
which is not the ass licking you are paid for, again, lazy nigger, wasting company time and whining about work you cant bother to do...fake and gay faggot retard get to rimming or find a new job....

>>512794198
Who the fuck cares? There is a point to where wealth becomes obsolete. Having money than you will never spend in your lifetime seems unjustified when you have people working in sweatshops, or serving in the military and barely making it.

>>512794184
If the state is hoarding all the wealth and the people are poor, then the people should seize the wealth from the state.
I don't like the idea that it's okay to have homeless veterans while all the wealth of the country is coagulating somewhere and not doing anything for the people.

>>512794409
KEK... You could never do what I have done kid.

>>512794376
Lol you think communism and anarchism are the same thing. You don't know how to weave

>>512794363
Ok, make sure you lube up for your almighty boss. Only a faggot would be lacking so much self respect.

>>512794756
There is nothing wrong with respecting a hierarchy you dumb fuck, how the hell do you even live without it, you don't, meritocracy is the most freeing and reality driven angle toward material gains that we have, you downy faggot retard that should have been aborted.

>>512783820 (OP)
morons like you should never be allowed to reproduce

>>512783820 (OP)
But socialism already collapsed.

>>512794746
>you think communism and anarchism are the same thing
>They have a supposedly similar end goal (at least some of them do), but the means to achieve that end goal are not the same.
Goddamn the education system is shit

>>512784140
fuck off faggot sniftifa

>>512783820 (OP)
A merit based socialist society with strong community building foundations.

>>512794904
There is no such thing as a hierarchy. It does not exist. Employment is an agreement between two entities. There is no "pecking order." I do what I am asked to do, and I get paid. You fuck with me, you are going to have serious issues. That's how it should be. Respect is earned, not given. You aren't entitled to a fucking thing just because I work for you.

>>512784283
now i know you are retarded. drop mic , drink water

>>512795011
>Goddamn the education system is shit
And you are exhibit A

>>512783820 (OP)
More like it's time to try killing anyone who has more than $10 million is assets, including the (((government))) and every person employed by the (((government))).

>>512794994
No. That was the USSR.
>>512795061
>lolbertarian

>>512795169
Basedo

>>512795109
>race is not a thing, we all bleed red
oh, you're in the wrong website you loser plebbit faggot.

>>512783902
QRD on feralism? Do we just go crazy and kill everyone weaker?

>>512795130
Are you trying to say that computers just spawn from magic or something? No? Then stow it.

>>512795193
So let me get this straight. Anything you don't agree with is capitalism and anything you do agree with is communism? Does that pretty much some up you 5th grade view of the world?

>>512795224
Yeah, fuck off. I have self respect, and I do not respect anyone who is cucked by their fucking boss. You the pussy, kiss ass faggot that everyone hates aren't you?

>>512795372
Ya but you probably spin lattes and don't have a real job

>>512795335
>Anything you don't agree with is capitalism and anything you do agree with is communism?
No.

>>512795134
you would be such an obvious troll if not for the fact you have the us flag so I doubt your education desu

>>512795529
So Soviet Russia was not communist?

>>512795372
you keep repeating this positions as if I wouldn't put my boss through their trials, don't get me wrong- I'm not about to come on the job and shittest my boss working 20 years in the field to see how much nigger dick he likes to suck like you plebbitor shitlibs, if he knows how the job works and isn't corrupted by other issues- he's solid- simple and basic, presumed, unlike whatever the fuck retarded world you're living, asshole. As a 40 year old I'll happily let a ten year old lead me if he has the methods and gumption to do so, asshole.

>>512795467
Yeah, well being that I could benchpress just about every boss I have ever had, I really don't have that many issues. I have seen the same bosses fuck with other people though and they would refuse to stand up for themselves. It always angered me because these faggots sit around and "hurr durr I can fuck with people because they won't have a job if they say anything."

>>512795646
Yes

>>512795645
You guys are such a little gaslighting faggot it's unbelievable

>>512795784
Then what was it?

>>512795842
Capitalist

>>512784530
>we demand
>we demand
>we demand

what a bunch of complainers

>>512795893
Un fucking believable. I am clapping irl, for real

>>512787371
>You realize that most of the corruption in America is facilitated by socialist policies yes?
Gee, literally ANYTHING you dont like you simply call "socialism", which makes it incredibly convenient for you. I thought "we lost"? Trump is Socialist? So we did NOT lose?

This is the head of BlackRock. This is who you are defending right now.

>>512796133
Corporate bail outs are a socialist policy

>>512796101
Uh huh

>>512795662
So, would you allow yourself to be disrespected on the job? What would you do? Take it like a bitch?

>>512783820 (OP)
it does work if you want to make money legally or illegally, that's your decision.

>>512796197
That is a capitalist policy under a capitalist system

fuck fiat
fuck feudal corporatism
war for life is now
>>512794849

>>512795983
Yeah, I demand respect. If you cannot respect me, then we aren't going to get along well. That's the default.

>>512796286
Hahahaha. How?

>>512796293
>feudal corporatism
So capitalism

>>512796228
depends, men don't like to disrespect other men on the job, not really, not loudly- we prefer more tactful methods, if a 10 year old kid boss is trying to humiliate me too often, obviously I'll simply out-tact the fucker, regardless of age, and often subtly in a manner that no one needs to lose their job, that's my style- I know plenty mother fuckers prefer blood though and have no issue walking away from scorched earth.

>>512788318
>Yup, no proof.
He literally told you the bill. Here, I'll spoon feed you proof of how often its used.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/community-home/article/21807003/freethetech-finds-5784-inventions-suppressed-by-us-government-secrecy-orders
Now do you get paid by BlackRock to defend their interests or do you do it for free?

>>512789160
POINT TO WHERE THE FUCK I SAID IT WOULD

I NEVER, EVER, EVER HAVE YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>512796353
>>512796793
You see now, that we are having more fun than you arguing online here. Keep it up, this is incredibly entertaining

>I want to become like china
excuse me?

>>512796937
The answer is extreme violence but with capitalism maintained as the order of things and not making a switch to a different system, let alone communism, yuck

>>512796350
Lenin’s plan was to establish a state capitalist government controlled by the vanguard party, and slowly dissolve it over time. This is an already contradictory move. Then he died, Stalin and HIS comrades took over, and the state capitalism stage became the only permanent stage.

They rejected internationalism
They didn’t abolish money
They didn’t abolish class
They didn’t abolish the state
The vanguard party concept failed to become a party of the workers
All power was not given to the soviets
A police force was established
The military retained it’s existence
And arms were taken from the proletariat

>>512796985
So capitalism

>>512797149
So you'd definitely agree that the first step is a total leveling to cancel out the 'socialist' policies that resulted in things like corporate bailouts and billionaires who make huge amounts of money thanks to other government schemes and scams?

Or just let the billionaires etc keep all their money but this time they'll somehow not continue their 'socialism'?

>>512797221
Um, I was talking about corporate bailouts...

>>512783820 (OP)
We already have stasi commie gangstalkers everywhere
What we need are makers

>>512795983
>>512795061
>>512793425
>>512791561
Look, I dont know what drama or event led you to leave r/Libertarians but if you go back and make a new account or something you can keep posting there without them knowing its you and you're going to be among much more agreeable company, please consider returning, you aren't gonna have a good time on this website.

>>512796197
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

YES, TELLING THE WORKERS TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES AND GET FORCLOSED ON BUT HANDING TRILLIONS TO MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR CORPERATIONS IS """"SOCIALISM"""", LITERALLY A N Y T H I N G YOU DISLIKE IS SOCIALISM!!!! WHAT AN EASY LIFE!!!!!!! I STUBBED MY TOE!! AOCIALISM!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU WILL NEVER WAKE UP YOU WILL SIMPLY GO EXINCT HAHAHAHAH THE WHITE RACE IS OVER BECAUSE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY RETARDS LIKE YOU AHAHAHHAHAHA BYE BYE WORLD!! AT LEAST BLACKROCK MADE TRILLIONS, SO IT WAS ALL WORTH IT RIGHT????

>>512787555
FDR built this country

>>512797327
Legally and forcefully remove foreign ownership in America of land and property. Any assets assembled during the "total leveling" would be auctioned off to the highest bidder, at an extreme loss (discount). So no, you do not let billionaires keep their ill-gotten gains but you can't put those things up for auction until foreign ownership is banned, otherwise China or someone will come in and scoop up those assets

>>512797812
AHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHA I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IM TALKING ABOUT HAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>512797512
My mistake. I misread you.
NO MONEY UNDER SOCIALISM FOR THERE TO BE CORPORATE BAILOUTS

>>512784027
Apparently Natsoc in Greek is called "Ethnico-Socialism" (Εθνικοσοσιαλισμός)

>>512798147
Well my friend we agree on that

>>512797976
But all their gains are ill-gotten, because they got all of them under their 'socialist' system. Every single one of their workers is owed something.

>>512798303
Ah, but you see, we don’t. You have merc brain. You cannot see past the paper. You can imagine what already happens under the capitalist system.

>>512798344
You almost got me. i didn't say we live in a socialist pretending to be capitalist system, I said we live in a hybrid capitalist/socialist system, which is true btw and that most of the bad parts of this hybrid system are on the socialist side

>>512798499
You are so winning

>>512798605
We live in a communist gang stalking shithole

>>512798605
what parts?

>>512798671
Yes, true. I wish we had true capitalism

>>512783820 (OP)
National Socialism or bust

>>512798725

>>512798654
Of course I am. And you are stuck seeing everything behind a paywall. Lucky you.
>>512798605
>>512798671
>>512798725
>>512798726
>>512798900
Hilarious wrong
>>512798863
National “Socialism” already went bust

>>512798605
How could we figure out how much of their wealth is legitimate and how much was earned because they have always had the full support of the state to exploit their workers and socialize their losses?

>>512798900

>>512799026
So did communism, commie.

>>512799032
Once you establish an actual working Republic again backed by a strong capitalist financial system, you simply hold mass trials cause at that point, the system will actually be competent again

It's a stage of development. Feudalism was one stage, capitalism was the next, and socialism comes after. Each helped at the time, but eventually aged out of their usefulness.

>>512798900
it seems you confuse socialism with "state owned" (sometimes I can't tell the difference too). Anyway, I don't like it either, for instance, number 6. But private Olygopolies or monopolies owning everything is even worse. See your prison system.

>>512799501
>it seems you confuse socialism with "state owned"
Yes, socialism and communism are not strictly the same but in communism everything is state owned with no free market and so all these problems become compounded exponentially

>>512799809
>but in communism everything is state owned with no free market

No. Thats where the "no real comunism" meme comes from. If the state ownes everything, it becomes state capitalism (arguably the soviet union).

>>512800386
No buddy. We already have definition for all these terms and just cause they don't fit your narrative, you don't get to go around shoe horning everything into your world view. Calling the Soviet Union capitalist is fucking insane

>>512800757
I didn't say capitalist, I said state capitalism. arguably.
>We already have definition for all these terms
and yet most people can't tell what capital is, and therefore can't define capitalism.

>>512794613
i wouldnt try, sucking nigger cocks sounds nasty...

>>512783820 (OP)
what we need is a more intelligent species. one that doesn't hoard, and wants their kids and the people in their lands to have better lives

>>512802493
Ya, people like you

>>512783820 (OP)
of the National variety

>>512783820 (OP)
I agree. It's what gives the kikes their power that allows them to have control over us. It should be National Socialism though.

>>512783820 (OP)
There's no such thing as "a shot" at Capitalism, because Captialism is just the real world. Socialism is the thing you have to "give a shot" because it requires the imposition of systems of control over everybody.

We actually did give Socialism a shot, and it ruined half of the world. So no, we're not doing it again. You will never get another Soviet Experiment, definitely not in America and ideally not anywhere.

I actually agree on many of these things. Capitalism is sold to us as the best thing ever but we all recognize many of it's faults and yet people don't usually draw the conclusion of it being bad.

For instance, the healthcare system is totally fucked, and everything is drastically overpriced because people are greedy fucks. Isurance and the entire medical system including big pharma is a fucking cash grab and makes the system a piece of shit.

Look at washington DC. Elected officials spend most time begging for money, and letting corporations bribe them. We should not have elected officials being bribed... This is another huge L for capitalism.

How about housing? OH.. you can't buy a house? LOL... capitalism. We have people driving all the prices up so that THEY get a profit, and everyone else gets fucked... and why are houses treated differently from cars. If a house is 20 years old, it should be LOSING value. Not incrementing higher and higher.

>>512783820 (OP)
Capitalism IS socialism. It is the boogieman created by socialists to put their opponents in a perpetual state of moral inferiority. There are three schools of economics; mercantilism, liberalism, and socialism. Knowing the di8fference could save your life!

>>512799490
Correct
>>512799809
>socialism and communism are not strictly the same
They literally are
>but in communism everything is state owned
It is literally stateless
>>512800757
Who’s we shithead
>>512802493
>I didn't say capitalist, I said state capitalism
Hm
>>512802796
No, they really mean you dumbass
>>512803072
>Captialism is just the real world
And feudalism just doesn’t exist huh? Your system has only been here for a few hundred years.
>We actually did give Socialism a shot
You can’t even accurately describe it, and yet you dare say this horseshit.
>>512803819
>Capitalism IS socialism
Your head does not belong in your asshole bud.

>>512803819
Capitalism is just an idea that anyone should be able to own their own capital and be allowed to gather it and take part in endeavours that will allow them to make capital rather than being serf or a slave who own nothing. This is all there is about capitalism.
The rest with taxes, monopolies, corporations or governments that hinder ability of meek to make money is not capitalism. But the commies are great at creating boogeymen and now bunch of retards think that the idea that they can own their own shit is evil in its core and idea that someone else should own everything and redistribute it to them(which historically ends up with these people not doing it) is great.

>>512783820 (OP)
You know star of david has all sides? The pointless still stands.

>>512804454
That is not what that shit means at all. What a naive fairytale.
>The socio-economic system where social relations are based on commodities for exchange, in particular private ownership of the means of production and on the exploitation of wage labour.
>Wage labour is the labour process in capitalist society: the owners of the means of production (the bourgeoisie) buy the labour power of those who do not own the means of production (the proletariat), and use it to increase the value of their property (capital). In pre-capitalist societies, the labour of the producers was rendered to the ruling class by traditional obligations or sheer force, rather than as a “free” act of purchase and sale as in capitalist society.
Value is increased through the appropriation of surplus value from wage labour. In societies which produce beyond the necessary level of subsistence, there is a social surplus, i.e. people produce more than they need for immediate reproduction. In capitalism, surplus value is appropriated by the capitalist class by extending the working day beyond necessary labour time. That extra labour is used by the capitalist for profit; used in whatever ways they choose.
>The main classes under capitalism are the proletariat (the sellers of labour power) and the bourgeoisie (the buyers of labour power). The value of every product is divided between wages and profit, and there is an irreconcilable class struggle over the division of this product.
Capitalism is one of a series of socio-economics systems, each of which are characterised by quite different class relations: tribal society, also referred to as “primitive communism” and feudalism. It is the breakdown of all traditional relationships, and the subordination of relations to the “cash nexus” which characterises capitalism. The transcendence of the class antgonisms of capitalism, replacing the domination of the market by planned, cooperative labour, leads to socialism and communism.

>>512804978
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/a.htm

Theres no such thing as capitalism its a word that a marxist invented

>>512805335
Delusional cope.

>>512803906
What the nuclear family? Why is a threat to view?

>>512805544
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
Get to the point where they start saying the word family with page search. Bit too long to actually post.

>>512783820 (OP)

>>512806000
That’s not an argument, that’s a claim. A claim from turning point USA.

>>512799026
>National “Socialism”
Hitler was a better socialist than Lenin and Stalin were.

What do you mean by socialism? Free healthcare, education, housing and food like in Israel or what blacks in America get with the only requirement being to try showing up to job interviews not smelling like alcohol? Constant bailouts and government contracts to do nothing like what major companies get?

>>512783820 (OP)
we tried it over here same outcome

>>512806486
Hitler was a filthy liberal, and so are you.
>>512806614
>Free healthcare, education, housing and food like in Israel or what blacks in America get with the only requirement being to try showing up to job interviews not smelling like alcohol? Constant bailouts and government contracts to do nothing like what major companies get?

Literally everything you just said are social policies that exist perfectly under capitalism

>>512806745
You tried reading upside down, and failed with horrific results. Congratulations on that, I guess.

you believe white people are "labor aristocrats" to be exterminated, it was your idea to open the borders wide and let in the "workers of the world"

>>512783820 (OP)
>Capitalism doesn’t work

>>512806858
>exist perfectly under capitalism
if you ignore the unrepayable $37 trillion debt.

>>512807810
I’m not even going to argue with you on that. Don’t feel like it. All the money is going to be incinerated anyways, so no point.
>>512807554
Cease your nonsensical babbling.

>>512783820 (OP)
Nigger