Capitalism is the problem.

>>512864399 (OP)
yeah it is that and niggers

>>512864399 (OP)
Women shouldn't be in workforce at all.Stupid basedfaggot.

>>512864399 (OP)
>>512864493
Is old /pol/ really coming back? The 2017 flood of lolberts destroyed the board.

Capitalism is the root of Replacement Migration- BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN COMMUNISM IS THE CORRECT ALTERNATIVE AND I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER SAID IT WAS.

>Capitalism is
If only a super intelligence could weigh in on this ism and shit out some hot takes using a language that is superior to language, topic topic set overlap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgQC_ZCPk8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxsNU7ZZAlU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0ct9bglYo

>>512864659
And you wonder why women don't want to have sex with you.

>>512864399 (OP)
why don't burger moms breastfeed their babies? do they hate their child?

>>512864399 (OP)
In the 80's Nestlé spent a ton of money to try and discourage women in Latin America from breastfeeding by like, falsely claiming that it would lead to poorer nutrition for your baby, giving women free samples of it until they stopped lactating such that they had to keep buying it, lobbying governments to discourage it, etc. just to sell more baby formula. Literally indirectly killing and malnourishing hundreds of thousands / millions of babies to make like 1% more money lol

>>512864979
it is probably because it is looked down upon in their land. They have weird culture.

>>512864659
women have been in the workforce since the beginning of time. only in the middle class was it ever possible for them not to be and that has always been a minority in the west. nice try.

>>512864722
The problem with the Jewish question, is that a cunning and intelligence gap really exists as the nature of the conflict. The Mosquito's auto-extra extending blood sucking needle, and the Bear's thick and unweildy black fur, is having a fist fight in the beforelife and the afterlife, creating what you see in the present, a bloodsucker barely making par in getting the blood it needs to make more of itself and more plunging needles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-zsshQHySY

>>512864979
They literally can't. They have to work 60-80 hours a day because staying at home and breastfeeding is called "Socialism" now.

>>512865177
Oh yeah and the science changed, women were always clocking in to the hunting party chud, now rent the $2000 pod or else you're a commie!

>>512864675
Well capitalism extreme reactions is why USA is in this mess.

>>512864675
>2017
newfag trash

>>512864399 (OP)
Women shouldn’t have jobs

>>512865280
Women working is socialism
Under capitalism a man could afford to have a family

>>512865382
They should have a choice. Women aren't your property you edgelord.

>>512865382
they have always had jobs.

>>512864399 (OP)
jews are the problem

>>512864399 (OP)
Yes, unironically.

>>512865278
this

>>512864399 (OP)
Why is it never “finance is the problem”? Is it so they can do “finance with Nordic socialist characteristics”?

>>512865278
>>512864722
The Problem of Capitalism, Communism, Judaism, all the magi in the sky for thee but not for mee, is merely a device, and armed with this frame, you can then cut the gordion knot of the question of jews and the question of capitalism at the same time: ladies and gentlemen, drumroll please and pause for dramatic effect, these Jews, yes, these money grubbing, gazan genocidal, paper hanging, bad check kiting, coin clipping Jews really are, on average [peak bell curv, sigma,mu] between 1.3 and 3.5 standard deviations more intelligent than you, and the Talmud leaning in to saying God made you animals to suffer for us, really is optimal policy for you and your genetic lines, for us, and our genetic lines.

You're all getting a post secondary education in everything, by being here and reading what elmo writes. Slump over in your chair, like a monkey would when in heat and realizing he can't get through the glass to the hot girl in heat.

>>512865465
Im so sick of having this exact same conversation over and over again

1. Youre literally doing the "real capitalism has never been tried" meme.
2. You "won". Donald Trump is president again. You are currently claiming he is enacting socialism
3. "Socialism" does not mean "thing that i dont like".

>problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
>lol

>>512865465
Also, I dont want women working either, but HOW is women working "socialism"?

>>512864399 (OP)
>maternity leave
I thought women LOVED to be wagies and even fight of that "right". What happened?

>>512864399 (OP)
Not real capitalism....

>>512864399 (OP)
Um sweatie, it’s the Jew’s right to own everything and have goyim slaves. This is the prophecy in the Talmud.

Jews believe that they deserve to own everything in the world and have the goyim as slaves. The Talmud prophecies state that this will occur when their messiah arrives. This is why they hate Jesus and Christians so much.

>The Jewish people taken collectively will themselves be their Messiah. Its reign over the Universe will be achieved by the unification of the other human races, the abolition of frontiers and monarchies, which are the bulwark of particularism, and the establishment of a Universal Republic which will recognise everywhere the rights of citizens to the Jews.
>In this new organisation of Humanity, the sons of Israel, spread from now on over the whole surface of the globe, all of the same race and of the same traditional formation without, however, forming a distinct nationality, will become without opposition the leading element everywhere, especially if they succeed in imposing on the working masses the stable leadership of some of their number.

>The governments of the Nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat. Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who will administer the public fortune everywhere. In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world.

> Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx.

https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism

Jesus wasn’t a modern day Talmudic kike.

>>512866226
Just accept Jewish supremacy. It's inevitable...

>>512866724
Fuck you, we are sleep walking into extinction for literally no fucking reason other than being scared to be called a commie.

Why blame capitalism for jewish behavior?

>>512867246
The fact you wrote that sentence and could not see the irony is the ultimate proof of your double digit IQ.

>>512864659
Capitalism made sure they were

>>512864399 (OP)
Companies should be free to destroy human lives.
This is true capitalism.

>>512869127
>>512866226
>>512865382
>>512864659
It was LITERALLY an idea from Rockefeller to lower wages.

Women working is the cornerstone of capitalism. The Market demanded it. The Market got it.

>>512869237
I hope you realize this is as liberal a position as it gets. In the political theory sense, of course

>>512864399 (OP)
Jews are the problem.

>>512864979
Americans are sociopathic. For some reason people believe on shitting the next generation one step down from the last.

Boomers spread poisons all over the lands to kill dandelions

Women murder their children so they can fuck random men regularly

Boomers also hog up and hoard resources so the next generations can’t have a slice

Our government sells our assets tk foreigners causing artificial scarcity

Or businesses employ illegals to avoid paying fair wages to citizens

The list is endless america is a shithole

>>512867246
Because non-Jewish motherfuckers have been doing Jewish shit for the better part of four decades now. Unfettered capitalism turns into profitabilism.

>>512865946
>I’m so le tired
Are you a black woman ?

>>512869344
And capitalism is their tool in the west. Communism was their tool in the east. Different tools for different jobs.

>>512865465
Socialists were against women's rights.
They didn't want the extra competition in the labor market.
They were against migration for the same reason.

Maybe it's the ability of companies to lobby that's the problem, rather than the force that has generated the most wealth for all people in history? Kill everyone who accepts legal bribes, kill everyone that tries to administer them, and remove as many possible vectors for this corruption as you can by minimizing the state, aspiring to replace it altogether with private pro-nation services

>>512864399 (OP)
You guys are cringe. This isn’t a fucking daycare, it’s the jungle. Get yours or die. I don’t give a fuck and neither does anyone else

>>512869382
Im fatigued by retarded trannies such as yourself not responding to the content of an extremely simple argument.

>>512869424
If we truly lived with a free market capitalism would be beneficial. Unfortunately having patents, ability to claim bankruptcy, government subsidies. Lobbyists none of this is a free market.

>>512864399 (OP)
Wouldnt be a problem if you gassed both parties when a corporate lobbyist flipped a politician aginst constituents' wishes

>>512869500
Yeah we’re dying don’t worry. White birthrates are irreplaceable we’re going to be extinct within 200 years.

But get yours am I right?

TWITTER!!!!!!

Fuck off with your socialism and communism. We know you retards want to take power by blaming capitalism for everything so you can create your atheist hell society where EVERYONE is poor and brainwashed. The reason the West is sucking is because of you leftist freaks primarily not muh capitalism.

>>512869424
Faggot how about you come back to reality and help us improve the country somewhat? Or is it really that much more fulfilling to be a useful moron for the pedophile elite who are robbing you and your family blind?

>>512866050
Humans are interchangeable cogs under socialism since it exists to destroy all other power structures in a society so the party reigns supreme
>religion
>traditional gender roles
All kept women out of the work force
Socialism destroyed that to force women to get jobs
>noooooooo socialism is Le Workers uprising!!!
Nah. It has always been the rich destroying everyone else with slightly more money and power above them (ex: the czar)

>>512869633
We don’t live in a capitalist society it’s a fascist capitalist society. It’s rigged against a free market. The deepstate controls the economy with artificial scarcity.

>>512869535
>If we truly lived with a free market capitalism would be beneficial.
I don't think so. Does your "truly free" market incorporate antimonopolistic and ethical safeguards or not? If it doesn't, corporations are just going to aggressively accrue resources and exploit people even more than now.

>>512869715
You are a leftist retard that has no idea what he is talking about. Tell me we live in a fascist society when we are flying gay flags everywhere and you will get in huge trouble for fascist imagery. So perhaps by fascist society you mean a socialist society, otherwise fuckoff unless you're willing to admit this is a left-wing society where we have OPENLY SOCIALIST people in government and zero fascists, wake the fuck up.

>THEN THEY WONT EVEN FEED THEIR CHILDREN OUR POISON

so since DNA and spectrography are allowed in court now because niggers find them useful tools, why has no one found out that baby formula causes cancer through the magic of anti science?

It would be as simple to get banned as the thousands of innocent white men you pretend did the murder some nigger did with DNA

>>512869868
Yes just like Hitler did
>>512869880
You don’t know what fascism means obviously. Fascism is when the government takes control over economic and social systems or directly manipulates it.

2008 was textbook fascism the corpos and banks fucked up and instead of letting those fuckers fail and lose their jobs and their investments, the government bail them out that’s not a free market.

>>512864399 (OP)
Is there any proof this is real

>>512869880
Also, I just wanna point out that you’re retarded. Like honestly, did you think fascism meant Le Nazis? And you’re calling me a leftist retard? Anyone who uses the left right paradigm has a low IQ

>>512869378
^

jews definitely exploit the system, it even makes it easy for them to do it, but the system itself is to be blamed for the exploitation and suffering. Exploitation is infact the backbone of capitalism.

>>512865027
>In the 80's Nestlé spent a ton of money to try and discourage women in Latin America from breastfeeding by like, falsely claiming that it would lead to poorer nutrition for your baby, giving women free samples of it until they stopped lactating such that they had to keep buying it, lobbying governments to discourage it, etc. just to sell more baby formula. Literally indirectly killing and malnourishing hundreds of thousands / millions of babies to make like 1% more money lol
This shit is absolute justification for Latin America to tell the US and the other Western countries that do these things to fuck and never come back again. Such behavior is psychopathic and evil. All who were involved in it should be executed and, if they're dead, then their children and grandchildren get those bullets instead, just to send the needed message about the consequences of engaging in such actions.

>>512869670
This is theory. Here is fact:

One of the most significant connections between the Rockefellers and the feminist movement is through their financial support of women’s education. The Rockefeller Foundation and other Rockefeller-associated organizations provided funding to women’s colleges and universities, which in turn helped empower women through education and expanded their opportunities beyond traditional gender roles. This support indirectly contributed to the advancement of women in various fields and eventually played a role in the broader context of gender equality.


In the 1960s and 1970s, during the second wave of feminism, the Rockefellers also provided funding to various civil rights and social justice organizations. While not exclusively feminist, these organizations often had overlapping goals with the feminist movement, such as advocating for women’s rights, equal pay, and reproductive rights. The financial support from foundations associated with the Rockefellers helped amplify the voices of marginalized groups, including women, and contributed to the broader push for social change.

https://medium.com/@babyawenue7/the-rockefellers-a-prominent-american-family-known-for-their-influence-in-various-sectors-had-a-159531c0623f

It came from Capitalism. Not anywhere else. I dont need to theorize. Only to look at historical facts.

>>512870170
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/02/1133297
https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/five-things-infant-formula-companies-dont-want-you-to-know/

>>512869377
>Sociopathic
It's as designed
They know exactly what they're doing, they think it's funny

>>512864399 (OP)
Capitalism would be fine without jews constantly rigging the system.

>>512865177
>women have been in the workforce since the beginning of time. only in the middle class was it ever possible for them not to be and that has always been a minority in the west. nice try.
This is quite true. But before industrialization, most women worked at home spinning cloth and doing other domestic activities to sell their wares and supplement the family income (which mostly came from farming). In the industrial world, most women have indeed had to work, even in the West. It was only around the mid 20th century that non-upper middle class and non-upper class women, i.e. working class women (the working class being the large majority), could just stay home and tend to the kids and the household.
That time was a blip in the vast flow of history and it's gone now.

>>512870090
>2008 was textbook fascism the corpos and banks fucked up and instead of letting those fuckers fail and lose their jobs and their investments, the government bail them out that’s not a free market.
Okay, you're based in my book.

>>512870170
You HAVE to be joking. This isnt even new, how do you not know about this? See >>512870341


>>512870424
You are so fucking retarded you dont even understand how ironic that sentence you just wrote is.

>>512864399 (OP)
Wrong, the problem is greed. There have been cases of good companies with CEOs that were willing to sacrifice their pay just to keep the company afloat. It's rare, but it's happened before. If greed didn't corrupt the overwhelming majority of humans, Luigi would have never happened.

>>512864399 (OP)
Capitalism with Jewish characteristics.

>>512864399 (OP)
Why do companies get a say? It's a government of the people for the people. Formula companies are not people. Who gives a shit what they are for or against. Lobbyists need to be the first against the wall. Second need to be anybody taking their money.

>>512864675
>BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN COMMUNISM IS THE CORRECT ALTERNATIVE AND I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER SAID IT WAS.
But it is. The truth is that communism is based.
>always taken care of by the community and the state
>antisemitic, and generally nationalistic as a whole, if done stalin-style
>command economics work better to the ends of promoting a standardized social well-being, as opposed to jew-run markets that bleed out the white worker
>a system of unified force, something the white race needs right now
>one vision for a classless white society with no room for dissenting kikes
Assuming we're talking a white nationalist form of communism, and not leftist globohomo bullshit, what's not to love?

Capitalism truly is the cause of many problems.
-War
-Healthcare
-lobbyists in government

We all know about these problems. Oh, Housing is big too.. we're just going to let some billionaire buy up all the houses, and then force citizens to rent? That's what we're doing? That's gay as fuck. The entire housing market is fucked, really. Too many people trying to get rich by flipping houses or renting instead of finding a purpose in life where they create something or provide a service..

Buying everything at the store and then marking it up is not really sustainable. Also why the fuck should I be paying more in taxes every year just because some corporations are flipping houses in my neighborhood and inflating prices?

I'm at the gym on the stairclimber and it's non stop big pharma ads... that's capitalism. And it mostly sucks.

>>512870583
We can't depend on people not being greedy. We need a fucking system that culls greedy motherfuckers. It's that simple.

>>512870740
Tax paying citizens, or would if they were honest

Corpos are made of people and brand bots, the brand bot is what it is, it follows brand needs maximize profit reduce bad press, the people on the other hand vary on quality

>>512869500
"Whites" like you are why whites are dying out. You're a disgrace.

>>512870756

I think there's a clear effort to attack communism, i mean, obviously we fought wars about that. But we already have a lot of stuff that borders on communism like farm subsidies and welfare.

I'm getting up there... I've been in the work force for 25 years. And wasted away my 20s and 30s in doing so and I have no major retirement or plan.

Clearly this system sucks. Most people agree on the basics and don't like the government in general. I think we have far more common ground, but people have been made to reflexively attack or view communism in a negative light. I think any optimal system would probably be a hybrid.

>>512870776
Pretty much this. You can't just pray to God that jews don't do what jews have always done for the entirety of human history. They must be formally dealt with through a unified force, something a market system cannot provide.

>>512865465
>Women working is socialism
>Under capitalism a man could afford to have a family
Not true. Most women worked under capitalism, but they weren't doing men's work. It was only in the mid 20th century, like the 50s until the 70s, that women who were not in the upper middle class nor the upper class could and mostly did stay home to raise their kids and take care of their households. The assumption and the expectation that women could stay home comes from very recent experience that marked the minds of the Silent and Boom generations and some of early Gen X. But this expectation is not at all the norm in history.

>>512870756
Get lost shitskin

>>512870980
You can't create a hybrid of communism and capitalism, one of the most necessary conditions for the development of communism is the abolition of private property meaning the abolition of capitalism itself.
I think the best solution is to just rethink how we structure communism. It doesn't have to follow any historical model to a T, communism is just the general abolition of private property in whichever form that comes.

Private property is the playground of jews, it must be eradicated.

Yall white boys be actin like pinky and the brain in real life nigga

https://youtu.be/REqic8eN6BE?feature=shared

>>512870776
>We need a fucking system that culls greedy motherfuckers. It's that simple.
I agree. Unfortunately, ignorant and sinful people always cower behind pathetic excuses like "all life is precious." Bullshit, if all the undesirables were executed then everyone would have the incentive to behave, and realize how nice life is when everyone expresses kindness.

>>512864399 (OP)
Lobbies are the problem, it's right in your post. Federalism is nothing more than collective wealth weaponized against citizens.

>>512864675
People conflate capitalism with federalism all the time, capitalism isn't a political ideology it's the concept of private ownership and the possibility of rising out of poverty. Federalism is the act of centralizing power with the state but the problem with federalism is that it wasn't insulated from corporate interests, you must have a "separation of corporate and state" in the same way we separate church and state.

>Capitalism is the problem.

>>512864399 (OP)
Capitalism is worse than communsim vpn fag. Only true way is monarchy.

>>512866724
>Just accept Jewish supremacy. It's inevitable...
It really isn't.
Organized "Aryans" (Europeans) could drive out or even extinguish the Jews, but we lack the social cohesion (and now even the will, due to brainwashing) to achieve this.
The East Asians could likely also put the Jews in their place or even eliminate them if Jews were common in their lands, and East Asian countries are much better organized to handle the Jewish menace today. (Which may be why China is such a target now.)

>>512864399 (OP)
Feminism was a full on assault on womanhood and women were the ones leading the charge against themselves.

>>512864399 (OP)
if you send your woman to work it's your fault

>>512870565
Maybe you should enlighten me on what the real problem is? From my perspective it seems to be that the government is constantly acting in the interests of jews at the expense of everyone else. They tax us to pay for Israeli wars, they bail out bankers who cause financial hardships for everyone else and use tax dollars to pay for it. The profits are privatized and the losses are socialized, and it always seems to disproportionately benefit jews in the end because they have the most aggressive lobbyists and plenty of blackmail.

>>512864399 (OP)
>corrupt government makes crooked deals with crooked mafia

>clearly we must give government more power

>>512871753
in communism there is no government, no middlemen, no jewish tricksters etc. Go read a book, retard.

>>512872030
>no government
That's anarchy, not gommunism. Even hunter/gatherer tribes governed themselves.

>>512871230
FUCK you commie faggot retard--no one is more disconnected from reality than you murderous subhuman pieces of trash
YOU will be culled first you fucking nigger

>>512871528
go rape someone then brush your teeth with shit

>>512872030
>in communism there is no government
this is how MOTHERFUCKING STUPID this board has become. holy fucking mother of god that's literally the dumbest fucking shit I have ever read

>>512864399 (OP)
What? Wouldn't formula manufacturing want maternity leave? Maternity leave means when baby is however old will be straight into daycare therefore needing formula. If there wasn't maternity leave she'd be at home with babby feeding it herself. That's why maternity leave should be illegal, it's just a fancy word for child neglect
How long are you suggesting maternity leave be?
>The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends feeding babies only breast milk for the first 6 months of life. After that, they recommend a combination of solid foods and breast milk until a baby is at least 1 year old
Babby needs the teat(or formula if you're trash who don't feed babby properly) for at least the first year. Are you suggesting 12 months maternity leave? Because then you run into the other problem maternity leave can cause, instead of her returning to work too early she just never will

>>512871753
>>corrupt government makes crooked deals with crooked mafia
The government of our liberal nation is also liberal. Liberals are the most corruptible people on the planet and always have been. Our state apparatus is controlled by capital, capital owned by jews; of course a liberal government is going to be corrupted by capitalist jews. Marx basically pointed this out in his theory of base/superstructure, any capitalist nation will always be under the indirect control of its capital class.
>clearly we must give government more power
A worker-led government, under a system in which capital itself has already been abolished and can no longer be manipulated by others for political gain.
Or even no state apparatus at all, if you're strictly Marxist or Anarchist. Just a sovereign, self-governing, classless, white community.
>>512872030
You're thinking Marxism in specific. Communism != Marxism, Marxism is only one school of Communist thought.
>>512872207
Communism most certainly was historically conceived as an anarchist system. Marx was an on-and-off member of various anarchist organizations before he joined the socialist party due to disagreements with the anarchists on the matter of revolutionary organization.
Communism is not intrinsically a state ideology. That precedent was established in Leninist theory, and through Lenin's actions.
>>512872468
Jews like you deserve to be murdered. Your idealistic moral gesturing doesn't work on an amoral materialist, you fool.

>>512864493
>yeah it is that and niggers


NIGGERS ARE THE PROBLEM

https://youtu.be/cu8e3nikyQk

>>512872559
>this is how MOTHERFUCKING STUPID this board has become. holy fucking mother of god that's literally the dumbest fucking shit I have ever read
When you're an autistic retard who has meltdowns because they don't read theory and can't keep up with real political discussion.

>>512872766
A problem that can only be addressed through the *real* affirmative action, unified white working class force.

>>512872701
I'm not conflating Marxism and Leninism, brainlet. Lenin specifically called for installing socialists as figureheads, while retaining the right of the citizenry to overthrow them. Marx on the other hand simply advocated the latter, the right of the citizen to overthrow figureheads when they acted against the collective interest of the country but the problem with that is that it's ridiculously ambiguous.

>>512864792
>t. pajeet virgin (other than with men's anuses)

>>512864399 (OP)
Why are US politicians so susceptible to bribes? It's not like it's even millions of dollars.
I hear this same shit that car dealerships are preventing politicians at the state level and in Congress from passing direct sale laws.

>>512873288
See >>512872701
A liberal government will always be under the control of the capitalists they claim to govern.

>>512873288
>It's not like it's even millions of dollars
It is though, it's just not handed to them all at once. Name a single politician who served that hasn't gone directly into a lobbying firm post-term. There are none.

>>512869615
>Yeah we’re dying don’t worry. White birthrates are irreplaceable we’re going to be extinct within 200 years.
Your timeline is off.
Whites account for 3% of children in the world age 10 and under. At this rate, we're gone by the end of this century, or maybe in just 50 years. At best we'll have a few scattered white people, maybe a few mostly white communities, across what used to be the West.

>>512873288
It is actually millions of dollars they just do it in via tax insider trading, the bribes they get to add riders to bills and shit are really only tips and even then those tips are still like $50k a pop.

>>512873268
>Lenin specifically called for installing socialists as figureheads, while retaining the right of the citizenry to overthrow them. Marx on the other hand simply advocated the latter, the right of the citizen to overthrow figureheads when they acted against the collective interest of the country but the problem with that is that it's ridiculously ambiguous.
That's an extreme simplification. Lenin was also a vanguardist, the "installing of socialists as figureheads" was part of that vanguardism - vanguardism is a state ideology, and his belief in socialist achievement through strong state force was *originally his* amendment to Communist thought. Marx believed in a more direct, decentralized revolt against capitalism, and Lenin believed in the establishment of a workers' vanguard to replace the existing state apparatus as part of a wider transitional plan. Before him, Communists were anti-statist; after him, Communists are now more pro-statist.

>>512873646
Lenin, Marx who cares I just want to kill my landlord

>>512873545
What exactly is their problem, why they need to ask money to rule society?

Why they can't rule over the population, the world population mind you and not steal from us?

>>512873575
That sounds ideal for our comeback. My people are best when the pressure is unbearable on them. Like the Ottoman Empire. Or the Persian White Slave trade. Those people went on to have children who pushed the world’s shit in in two world wars.

>>512864399 (OP)
I bet this goes well with governments increasing retirement age to cover pensions and other social programs.

>>512873699
I didn't disagree with that last bit. I, too, just want to kill my landlord. I don't care about which Communist school of thought we end up subscribing to, as long as we subscribe to some kind of white nationalist Communism.
But I was more laying down the theoretical basis for the other anon who claimed that Communism was inherently a state ideology. It's not, only Leninist Communism and its offshoots are.

>>512870928
Your movement killed more white people than any other in human history - but I am the traitor. Go fuck yourself chud

>>512873399
>A liberal government will always be under the control of the capitalists they claim to govern.
Well said.

>>512871190
jews like you are shitskins as well

>>512873870
Nigger who started WW2?

>>512864399 (OP)
>invent a solution, then create a problem
Baby formula is inherently jewish. I like their effort at starving nigger babies though

>>512864399 (OP)
They should lobby against pic related.

>>512870740
>Why do companies get a say? It's a government of the people for the people. Formula companies are not people. Who gives a shit what they are for or against. Lobbyists need to be the first against the wall. Second need to be anybody taking their money.
Collective entities have been recognized as persons in Western law and culture for many centuries. This includes governments, corporations or other businesses, churches, and all kinds of other collective entities made up of individuals. They're all persons or people and they have always been understood to be so. The concept of a person was never conflated with an individual human until just recently.
A "person" is basically anything with agency that can or should be held morally accountable for its behavior, hence it makes sense to praise or blame them. That's the basic concept.
When the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people with free speech rights in the Citizens United case, the court was correct and was following in a very old tradition.
The problem lies not with corporate personhood, but with the larger corporate system.

>>512873870
Not along a racial line though, you dipshit. You could make the same argument for Christianity, "The Christian church has killed more white people than Islam, through events like the crusades, where 9 million white people died in the name of Christianity."
Does that make Christianity worse for whites than Islam? Absolutely not.

So I ask, what is better for white people? An ideology under which whites have died for entirely non-racial reasons, or an ideology under which whites are being actively exploited by jews for entirely racial reasons?

You are, indeed, the traitor. You are trying to keep us under the control of evil. I'd rather die in a war with my own people than live an 80 year life under jewish economic control.

>>512864399 (OP)
Time to start taxing corporations at 99%.
It's going to happen anyway so might as well just do it.

>>512864399 (OP)
Its so funny how people are anti semitic then shill for capitalism. As if the "ideal" capitalist isn't the most stereotypical greedy jew ever.

>>512873646
>extreme simplification
Well, communism is simplistic by-design. It would be its proponents that over-complicate it, just as you are doing right now. Fuck off with your child's ideology.

>>512873752
Greedy fuckers are attracted to opportunity for profit or increased control.

>>512874411
^. The same /pol/lacks using Gadsden memeflags will also make anti-kike posts. Pick a lane, libtard!

>>512874468
>Well, communism is simplistic by-design
I agree, there is nothing complex about communal property ownership, its jews that make it complex through the manipulation of material conditions.
>Fuck off with your child's ideology.
You have no ideology.

ShekeLitism

>>512864979
Lazy

>>512874736
Shekels would be abolished to begin with.

>>512871281
>I agree. Unfortunately, ignorant and sinful people always cower behind pathetic excuses like "all life is precious." Bullshit, if all the undesirables were executed then everyone would have the incentive to behave, and realize how nice life is when everyone expresses kindness.
I do think society is getting really fed up with bad actors, from politicians and businessmen and lawyers down to jerks at the grocery store that people encounter now on a daily basis.
If a leader arose and he decided to just kill off the assholes and liars and cheaters and just target all of the antisocial types for elimination, most people, by now, are ready to go along with the program and give tacit consent to the project.

>>512874736
Bearwolf
Bewearwolf
Bewarewolf

>>512864399 (OP)
>These companies fight against maternity leave
Don't work for them if you're pregnant then.

>>512872559
In Marxist theory, the communist stage of history is literally anarchic/stateless. The state dissolves away when the material conditions and relations are ready for people to function, at an advanced level, without the guidance of the state.
Socialism is the rule of the working class, or when the state rules according to the interests of the workers, just how today, the we have the rule of the ownership class (capitalists), or bourgeoisie, and in Marxist theory, socialism is the stage of history that succeeds capitalism (which succeeded feudalism) and that precedes communism.
It's just a theory, though, that history will progress according to this model.

>>512875459
>yes, goy, just comb through our terrible job market to find a new job for the sake of replacing the old one, because the old one would not support you having kids!!

>oh no, why are global birth rates declining!?

>>512872701
>Liberals are the most corruptible people on the planet and always have been.
Absolutely right. Liberalism is an ideology based on self-interest, not self-sacrifice. It's all about what each individual needs and wants, and satisfying those things. Originally, liberalism meant defense of property rights and commerce. It expanded to include other rights too.
But people who are all about their rights and their prosperity and accruing property are the most corruptible type of people. They're not the natural warrior caste nor the natural leaders of a society.

>>512875488
This. I'd say that only thing you missed is that Marx never used the terms socialism and communism like that, but the two stages after capitalism he called "low phase communism" and "high phase communism."

>>512873222
>A problem that can only be addressed through the *real* affirmative action, unified white working class force.
I'd love that. With replacement migration and white genocide (much advanced now), however, the white working class is maybe 30% of the US, and only half of this number is males, and fewer than that are young white males. So we will have to make a try at it with a small spearhead or vanguard, if we wish to change or destroy the current system.

>>512874643
>communal property ownership
In other words you own nothing, your own people can and will take the drink glass out of your hand, breaking it on the ground. People under communism can be categorized into two groups "caring" or "destructive".
>You have no ideology
You didn't ask for one, you simply presented your own as universal truth.

I saw Jews strip farmers of water and eventually land. Saw them turn America into a machine fueled by people's crushed spirits, broken dreams, and empty pockets. Jews have long controlled our lives, taken lots, poisoned our immune systems with DNA corrupting vaccines, estrogenized our food and water supply, gave all our tax money and wealth to Israel, and now they're coming for our souls. This is a people's war, a war against a jewish system that spiralled out of our control, it's a war against the forces of entropy and ancient demons.

>>512876532
>In other words you own nothing, your own people can and will take the drink glass out of your hand, breaking it on the ground. People under communism can be categorized into two groups "caring" or "destructive".
Private property and personal property are two different things.
Private property is big property, like land used for cash cropping, a giant house, a big business.
Personal property is that drinking cup, your clothes, your car (not a giant collection, though), your house (but not a giant mansion that could fit 30 families), your family heirlooms.
In the medieval period, most people have no private property; that was for the lords (mainly land). Commoners just had their personal property.

>>512864399 (OP)
>he lets his wife work

>>512877508
>Private property and personal property are two different things.
Not under communism, all things are subject to...I guess you might call it a "reordering" of resources. Really it just depends on how far the state intends to micromanage but nothing is off the table for redistribution, be it your home or the very food on your plate. There is no sugarcoating this.

>>512871281
Gangstalkers and the ninth circle cult are right there if normies ever want to wake up

>>512864399 (OP)
>it’s the fault of this-ism or that-isms
All the -ism have the same problem, clearly the problem is bigger than the -isms. Personally I suspect that the industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for mankind.

>>512876532
>In other words you own nothing, your own people can and will take the drink glass out of your hand, breaking it on the ground.
That's personal property. Different thing.
Personal property = the material objects you own. Smartphone, computer, bed, glass of beer, whatever; you own all of that, without dispute, we aren't trying to take your possessions away from you unless they constitute as capital.
Private property = any individually owned property that can reproduce its own value. Factories, farms, housing, etc.

When we say "abolish private property," we mean "abolish capital," not "abolish the ability for people to have personal possessions."

>>512871281

>>512879262
We should just take all the possessions of gangstalkers and corrupt government officials(all of them) and ceos(all of them) and just distribute them equally among the remaining populace
More than enough to go around for everyone

>>512878983
>Not under communism, all things are subject to...I guess you might call it a "reordering" of resources. Really it just depends on how far the state intends to micromanage but nothing is off the table for redistribution, be it your home or the very food on your plate. There is no sugarcoating this.
It was the same way under feudalism, where the king/monarchy technically owned everything (at least all private property, but the king could also demand your silverware if he ever wanted to) in perpetuity.
And all governments reserve some emergency right to repurpose and expropriate any property as needed during a grave situation. There really is no "absolute" ownership of something and there never has been. To own something means you have exclusive right to its access, use, and disposal. But relations between an item of property and its access, use, and disposal are never entirely exclusive. You can be limited in how you're allowed to dispose of something, like burning down your house is illegal, or throwing various chemicals on the street is banned.
Generally, there are much stronger property rights under capitalism than under socialism, but those strong property rights overwhelmingly protect the people at the top and help enable grifting, exploitative business practices, and a lot of shady things that cause social maladies.
The question, then, is whether it's worth sacrificing some property protections for ordinary people (and all of them for the very rich) in return for other things that one would expect in a more socialist system, like strong rights to social help, protections against financial predation etc.
Medieval commoners did pretty well and were generally okay without being able to own private property, and I doubt many lords or monarchs went around demanding their clothes and mules.

>>512879464
I am confusing why we're still talking about one's personal possessions in response to a post that clarifies that communism is about the abolition of capital.

>>512879585
Because they'd all be dead. Gangstalkers and the ninth circle cult must pay for their crimes with their lives

>>512878983
>Not under communism, all things are subject to...I guess you might call it a "reordering" of resources.
Show me where in any relevant theoretical framework this is outlined - It's not.
"The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few." -Karl Marx, *The Communist Manifesto*
>>512879905
Fair enough.

>>512878983
>>512880052
Continuing this idea in the same passage, he also wrote:
"In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.

From the moment when labour can no longer be converted into capital, money, or rent, into a social power capable of being monopolised, i.e., from the moment when individual property can no longer be transformed into bourgeois property, into capital, from that moment, you say, individuality vanishes.

You must, therefore, confess that by “individual” you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.

Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriations."

>>512879262
>>In other words you own nothing, your own people can and will take the drink glass out of your hand, breaking it on the ground.
>That's personal property. Different thing.
>Personal property = the material objects you own. Smartphone, computer, bed, glass of beer, whatever; you own all of that, without dispute, we aren't trying to take your possessions away from you unless they constitute as capital.
>Private property = any individually owned property that can reproduce its own value. Factories, farms, housing, etc.
>When we say "abolish private property," we mean "abolish capital," not "abolish the ability for people to have personal possessions."
I agree with all that except for the claim that houses are private property that can reproduce their own value (investments). That's a recent phenomenon due to financial speculation in real estate.
In nearly all times and places in the world, a family house was not a speculative instrument, but just a place to live.
I think ordinary houses should fall under the category of personal property.

>>512880346
This is a fair opinion that many Communists have laid claim to in the past. The Marxist position in specific is opposed to this, however, if you care about that, because despite the recency of speculative housing markets, Marx saw speculative housing markets as something that could never be walked back after their development - now that we have had a system of housing capital in our history, we have to be permanently on watch for proletarians trying to use their homes as capital under the table, because that behavior may never vanish at this point.
But, again, that is just Marx's position on the matter - housing can most certainly be considered a personal property under Communism, it just depends on your argument.
It'd be completely understandable for one to see Marx's fears here as unfounded.

>>512880647
>>512880346
The biggest backing logic in this fear of Marx's was that once capital has been abolished, the only remaining avenue for accumulation will be one's home, meaning it will be the primary thing that dissenting liberals will attempt to exploit.

>>512880647
I agree with Marx on this. Housing can indeed be transformed into capital/investments in the future, even if the current practices are done away with.
Under a socialist system, I don't see how vast real estate speculation like we have today could occur, but there could still be smaller attempts to profit off of housing.

>>512880967
Oh certainly, the nature of socialism and communism necessarily prevent any kind of vast real estate speculation, but there isn't really a mechanism stopping someone from selling their house under the rest of society's noses.

Small exploitable loopholes like these are why amendments to Marxist theory exist, in the forms of Leninism and Luxemburgism and such - different ideologues have taken different cracks at patching the holes in Marxist Communism.
Lenin's best attempt at patching such holes was to just defer the economy to the control of a big state apparatus until the proper material conditions appear for the development of a stateless, class society. Basically, "if the economy is under the full purview of the government, then black markets will be extremely difficult if not impossible."

>>512881387
>>512880967
Luxemburg's solution was the opposite of Lenin's, the idea a federated system of workers' councils that can keep a close enough eye on their local districts to prevent such underhanded activity from occurring, without taking control of the economy out of the hands of the actual workers.

>>512864399 (OP)
we ceased being a country and became an experimental economic zone with the civil war

>>512864399 (OP)
How is this lobby shit legal. i vote for dude/party to represent me but they can take bribes to sell my rights and it's ok?

>>512881645
>>512881387
I myself believe in a synthesis of these two solutions. I think certain parts of the economy are best addressed through state intervention, and other parts are best handled democratically by the working class itself.

Like, housing and general business and such, should certainly belong to the working class, but water industries and electricity industries and such should definitely be government programs.

>>512881937
>I myself believe in a synthesis of these two solutions. I think certain parts of the economy are best addressed through state intervention, and other parts are best handled democratically by the working class itself.
>Like, housing and general business and such, should certainly belong to the working class, but water industries and electricity industries and such should definitely be government programs.
This sounds like a very reasonable position. It would avoid many pitfalls of having too much centralization while also not allowing a predatory financial/ownership class to form.

>>512864399 (OP)
Most women don't breast feed either way. They're too lazy.

>>512882698
Luxemburg's federated structure, libertarian in nature, is also a fantastic anti-centralization feature. She believed in a decentralized state structure to avoid what Lenin fucked up with in the structuring of the USSR.
I am of the opinion that the Soviets would still be around today if they had a decentralized state structure.

>>512864493
Well yeah niggers steal things so capitalism suffers so long as they are allowed to breathe.

>>512879262
To "own" something means both having said thing in you proximity AND being able to defend it from being taken away. Absolute ownership has existed since before the dawn of time, it is what you have the ability to defend. There is no difference between private and personal property if someone with power decides so, however you both are advocating something akin to enforced class where no one is above another. This only works in a vacuum where there are no outside threats to the collective, no competing tribes with differing ideals. You people write entire essays fellatiating yourselves and your ideals can be compared to christcuck self-destructive behaviors or child-like want of everyone to simply "get along". Fuck off with this weak tripe, you fight for your right to live and that's the way of the world, it still will be even under communism because communism rewards the predator with a free lunch.

>>512883248
>To "own" something means both having said thing in you proximity AND being able to defend it from being taken away.
Just as you will be able to with your personal property. If someone tries to steal the computer you worked to acquire, you are allowed to shoot them in the face.
>There is no difference between private and personal property if someone with power decides so
In a communist society, a stateless, classless society, the "person with power" is the entire working people, democratically. If the entire proletariat puts the rules and boundaries of private and personal ownership to vote, the outcome of that election would be where the line between private and personal stands. At that point the decision is just the will of the people.
>however you both are advocating something akin to enforced class where no one is above another. This only works in a vacuum where there are no outside threats to the collective, no competing tribes with differing ideals
No, we are advocating for the abolition of class society to begin with. There are no classes anymore, at all, just people. Global proletarian rule is a necessary condition for the development of communism, as communism was defined as an internationalist movement; "workers of the world, unite!" The global abolition of capitalism is a precursor for the evolution of socialism into communism.

>>512883248
>>512883913
Once you factor in a white nationalist angle, or I suppose white internationalism being the more accurate term, you realize that another necessary condition is the death of all fucking nogs and jews, so you probably wouldn't even have much to worry about as far as property theft goes anyway.

>>512883248
>To "own" something means both having said thing in you proximity AND being able to defend it from being taken away. Absolute ownership has existed since before the dawn of time, it is what you have the ability to defend.
How is constantly having to defend property, which is ultimately true, the same as having "absolute ownership"? The fact that others try to take things just prove ownership is always contestable and never absolute.
And realistically, it's extremely rare for any governing power to try to relieve people of personal property. There's just universal social understanding with regard to this, and this understanding might even be rooted in our genes. Governments don't ask for the clothes you're wearing, neither do feudal lords or local potentates. That's just fantasy and doesn't reflect the actual world.
And yeah, there will always be dominance hierarchies, but the point is to rein them in for the common good, while also allowing especially capable people to do their thing for the good of everyone.
I think you have an inaccurate picture of how the world and human societies actually function. It's like the Hobbesian war of all against all is just normal in your mind, despite the fact that all humans avoid it and that war never existed except as a hypothetical to explain why sociality or social behavior forms in certain species.
You also seem to believe that your worldview is a special, rare worldview that gives you some kind of inside knowledge, like gnosis, and places you above all the simple-minded folks who in fact have more common sense than you do.

The irony of that guy's post is that he doesn't realize he has to constantly defend property even in a liberal system.
If your "private" property gets taken from you by the government for non-payment of property taxes, did you ever actually own it?
>just abolish property taxes
Alright, and when someone with no relatives dies, who gets that property by default? The state, right? Why would the state default to ownership over it, if it was your land? Unless... "private" property is just public property with special individualist protections by the state apparatus? Noooo, that can't be true...

>>512864399 (OP)
>Capitalism is the problem.
No, it's monopolies. Created by bought and paid for regulation that makes it nearly impossible to start up and compete with them. Mom and Pop local formula is capitalism.

>>512884247
Is it "contestable" if you always defend it successfully? That's what it means to have power, a thousand plebs with no real power hitting a wall doesn't break the wall, as long as you build that wall factoring in their collective power. My worldview, which neither of you has thought to ask for is as simple as it gets, it's the proof in the pudding not some esoteric ivory tower speculation. Your "common sense" that you project upon what you degradingly call "simple-minded folks", are your own subjective values that have been fostered under confirmation bias within relatively successful society. The memeflag anon that I won't be replying to any further, seems to think I'm defending the current system but if he wasn't so narrow-minded toward what he wants to cherrypick at, he would see that isn't the case.

>>512870740
>Lobbyists need to be the first against the wall.
This.
Close the loopholes.
High treason, swift justice, quick death penalty.
>Oh it's not a corrupt bribe if your a lobbyist? Yeah don't call it grave, it's the future you chose.

>>512864399 (OP)
Who did they lobby to?
>The government
So who has the last say in the matter?
>The government
So whose fault is it if this goes anywhere?
>The government
Who are you going to blame if it does?
>Private companies :)

>>512885019
>No, it's monopolies. Created by bought and paid for regulation that makes it nearly impossible to start up and compete with them.
And what does capitalism necessarily create, as per the function of capital accumulation i.e. the goal of conducting capitalist business?
>Mom and Pop local formula is capitalism.
No, that's the idealized version of capitalism, and it will literally never exist in modern society given the material circumstances of the world and where those material circumstances are obviously headed.
Yes, on paper, it'd be nice if everyone just had a little Mom and Pop shop and shit, but in reality that's not how societies develop under modes of private ownership.

>>512885880
lemme ftfy
>liberal governments
>liberal governments
>liberal governments
>capitalists
And yes, the abolition of capitalism is necessary when liberal governments are so easily exploitable by capital. Its a feature of liberalism, not a side effect.

>>512864979
Alcoholics

>>512885934
>And what does capitalism necessarily create, as per the function of capital accumulation i.e. the goal of conducting capitalist business?
Again, even the most evil and ambitious capitalist can't actually take over the world if Bob down the street can start competing if he feels like it. Pic related. The issue is government enabling these evil ambitious people to eliminate competition.

>>512886043
What you're seeing is the reason why monarchy is the superior form of government. How can you bribe someone who's incredibly wealthy already? Fun fact, Trump is the only US President whose net worth has LOWERED during his Presidency. I believe Clinton went from $1M to about $250M while President.

>>512864493
>>512864399 (OP)
In reality its just niggers. And jews. Capitalism works fine without them.

>>512885880
Yall are gonna have to kill both

>>512886833
Nothing will change so long as people poor enough to be bribed hold the reins of power.

>>512886643
>In reality its just niggers. And jews. Capitalism works fine without them.
Literally this. You could implement the most utopian economic system that can possibly exist in reality. If you have niggers and jews, it's going to be exactly as fucked as what we have right now.

>>512864399 (OP)
*jews

Banking oligarchy / central planning is the problem.
Bankers don't care if you have capitalism or communism but they'd prefer totalitarian control like technocracy or communism.

>>512864979
Because the baby formula companies told them it was worse to do so and our government let them

>>512864399 (OP)
Replace capitalism with international jewry.

>>512872693
What crack are you smoking?
Children should be with their parents for at least a year and systems should be oriented towards that being easy and accessible while penalizing those fail to do so. Women at large should be able to return to the home and stay there as much and for as long as they like insofar as they begin managing household duties. Home Economics, Home Repair, Child Rearing, Pregnancy and Cooking courses should be freely available to families.

>>512864399 (OP)
"ofcourse mr netanyahu.. in which hole do want to plant that"

>>512864399 (OP)
>Capitalism is the problem.
What's your alternative to "capitalism"?

>>512864675
>BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN COMMUNISM IS THE CORRECT ALTERNATIVE AND I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER SAID IT WAS.
There is no fucking "alternative" shit-for-brains. Nobody who ever generically attacks capitalism is anything but a witless shill for a political faction whose solution is 100% guaranteed going to be some for of rotten socialism.

Capitalism is an economic system where the government is supposed to guarantee private property rights and encourage free and fair trade. The result will be a systemic, perpetual increase in wealth for everyone. It's not a perfect system, it can't solve all problems-- and even keeping a capitalist system effectively running capitalism in the real world is a never-ending challenge.

When problems appear in a capitalist system, you have to solve them. Problems can be solved on a case by case basis. No need to ditch the fundamental principles of private ownership and trade.

You can pair capitalism with many other value systems and political theories in order to solve these problems (Nationalism, Christianity and so on).

>>512872701
>Communism is not intrinsically a state ideology.
In the real world, ideological communism is always about using existing power structures and systems to move toward a utopia that anyone with the most basic understanding of human nature would admit is not and never will be achievable. This is why the results are always disastrous and never close to the imaginary stateless communist end state.

>>512864399 (OP)
It's not capitalism that allows this. It's the government that allows bribery. It's a problem with the government being involved.

>>512864399 (OP)
brainlet here, can you define what capitalism is and who coined the term ?

>>512864493
Yea I mean who wants a bunch of tree trunk dick mfers walking around making me feel troon

>>512892230
The alternative of course is national socialism. In only a few years it turned a poverty stricken Germany into a superpower. It took multiple continents to stop the economy of 1 country. Its been done successfully, and can be again. Capitalism and communism are the 2 ugly sides of the same dirty jewish coin that is usury and debt.

>>512869633
>so you can create your atheist hell society where EVERYONE is poor and brainwashed
That's happening now under capitalism.

>>512864399 (OP)
>this thing our ideology destroyed a century ago is causing all of your problems
Okay.

>>512894382
Communism's been proven to work superbly on small communes -> Humans naturally organize themselves into tribal groups -> Therefore, communism is the system most compatible with human nature.

The real issue is pic related.

>>512864399 (OP)

At most, your job should be held for you so that when you have a baby you can come back to your same job some time after.

Its not your employers responsibility to pay you to have kids. If there should be maternity leave it should be paid at the government level.

>>512896973
Yeah, small communes. For people who want to belong to communes. Don't force that what's yours is mine logic onto anybody.

>>512864659
tpbp
>>512865177
>heh, women always worked in the home, therefore it's normal and good that women today are taking jobs traditionally reserved for men
post nose

>>512886473
>How can you bribe someone who's incredibly wealthy already?
You must not be familiar with Trump's relationship to Israel.

>>512901457
>Yeah, small communes. For people who want to belong to communes. Don't force that what's yours is mine logic onto anybody.
A communist society would just be a series of small, networked communes - a federation. It's all small communes, ya DINGUS!

>>512896973
>Communism's been proven to work superbly on small communes
name any.

>>512864399 (OP)
No anon, feminism is the problem

>>512896973
But that isn’t communism anon, that exists within a capitalist society for a reason

>>512905977
Communism can exist under capitalism, but capitalism cannot exist under communism. In fact, there are communes in the US right now you can join! Why aren't you in one, commie?

>>512894382
The problem with this "critique" is that it isn't critique at all - you did not analyze the mechanics of the system to reach an objective understanding, you read the history of a particular family of models, all Leninist, and reactionarily synthesized your conclusion out of thin air.
Not all communism is about using existing power structures. Kropotkinism i.e. anarcho-communism suggests the immediate establishment of a stateless, classless society after the workers revolt, without any period of transition. An immediate abolition of all power structures. This is a Communist mode of thought, and a fairly common one - its so common that it has a fucking memeflag on here, and actually has had some historical practice in Catalonia and France.

>>512894382
>>512907191
Matter o' fact, Marx even wrote a whole article about the Paris Commune.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/

>>512906247
Of course it can, what do you think the Amish are
I love capitalism so I don’t really give a shit what commies think to be honest, most of the problems in the world are caused by government, so having more is not preferable at all

>>512894382
>>512907191
>>512907312
The problem with historical anarcho-communist revolutions isn't anarcho-communism itself, but imperialism; all historical examples of these societies ended by being invaded by a foreign entity, because historical anarcho-communists dismantled their peoples' militaries too soon after their revolutions. An error of praxis not theory.

Marx's solution to the imperialist question was global revolution. The common Nazbol's is the establishment of a strong national peoples' military.

>>512864399 (OP)
We're much better off if women just quit if they have to take care of a baby. They can work at home or get a job after they are ready.
Easy hire easy fire is the way. No intrusive and burdensome government gimmick programs.
The left are always trying to make programs that pay people not to work because they hate civilization and want it to collapse and everyone to die.

>>512907474
Sorry, I thought you were the commie. I got confused. You're cool though.
>>512907570
So communism is only achievable with world peace.
>>512907853
A lot of women who become mothers want to stay at home and take care of their children but they cannot afford to. Ideally, men would take the blue-collar jobs that women don't have the muscles to do and women take the white-collar jobs that can be done remotely. Blue-collar jobs need to pay more because of how strenuous they are. It's not the world that we live in though.

Why can't we hire welfare recipients to pick up and sort trash?

>>512908779
or a socialized military
see >>512907652

>>512908779
I've studied economics a lot. basically if we get rid of all taxation, humans can come up with some ingenious ways to solve problems, including child care. It is the government that is the problem. They aren't the solution!

>>512908779
>>512910017
oh I forgot to mention that minimum wage laws are the primary driver of child care costs. Child care costs are the major factor limiting family size for many people. So next time you hear about someone wanting to raise the minimum wage, they are attacking humanity and attempting to lower the birth rate and genocide the population.
.

>>512910017
>>512910174
I used to think like that, but the world is a little more complicated. Taxes are a necessary evil that keep the engine running. You need taxes to pay people to run the government to protect your property rights.

>>512911179
Gangstalkers do neither of those things are they are government goonclowns

>>512892230
>There is no fucking "alternative" shit-for-brains.
Yes sociopathic asswipe turd, there is: socialism. You don't like it because you're a sick greedy sonofabitch just like the subhuman filth you look up to but democratic socialism EXISTS, has been TRIED and it WORKS. So fuck you with your ME ME ME NO I DONWANNA SHARE assholery. Things like you are the disease of the world.

>>512895760
Fascism is just the final form of capitalism, it lures in the working class by dividing them against each other along racial, ethnic religious or whatever other lines and then enslaving them all to the uberrich. Fuck that.

>>512864979
American "culture" is the cult of Mammon.
The above sentence explains everything about the USA and the Americans.

There is no money involved in breastfeeding and some kike middleman profiting from it - therefore it's inherently unamerican.

>>512912463
Socialism is just a hop, skip, and jump to communism.

>>512912463
Fascism is a result of failed socialism and communism that incorporates capitalism into their failure
Not the end result of it, look at China

>>512864399 (OP)
Maternity leave should be law engraved in granite. What the fuck is wrong with our culture that I have to demand this?

>>512914159
I feel like fascism can exist irrelevant of economic system. It's about how controlling the government is. In a free market society, the government is less involved and thus less likely to be fascist. Socialism and communism may try to be classless, but we all know you can't avoid hierarchy in society and the lack of individual rights is a red flag.

>>512895760
>>512912463
Thanks for proving my point, morons. The distinction between socialist and communist is completely irrelevant here. Neither of you have even the most rudimentary understanding of economics necessary to propose a superior alternative to capitalism.
>b-but the Nazi miracle!
The Nazi's big idea was to build a strong military with debt then gain wealth through plunder and conquest.

The fact is that socialism and communism are unnecessary and cancerous ideologies. You can allow for the occasional publicly-owned enterprise to solve one of the few problems that pragmatic arguments and rigorous reality-based testing and data have shown are best-solved in a collective manner, without swallowing the rest of the idiotic and economically illiterate ideology that comes with socialism.

>>512864675
/pol/ was always a libertarian board newfags should get the rope

>>512912890
Exactly. If you see someone hurling generic attacks on capitalism, guarantee they have no understanding of economics and will offer no viable alternative that isn't some retarded variant of communism or socialism.

The attitude is always: what's the flimsiest, asspulled case I can make to blame capitalism for <some bad thing>? Then once you take the bait they sneak in bullshit commie or socialist ideology in as the implied alternative without ever having to make a serious, rigorous case for it from first principles.

>>512914832
This is true the problem is that libertarian ideology has been shown repeatedly over the last decade or more to be naive and unrealistic, with libertarians themselves far too gullible and easily manipulated by corporate propaganda into taking nonsense suicidal positions on various topics ranging from censorship to immigration.

>>512864399 (OP)
Kikes* are the problem, ftfy.

All communists deserve death.

>>512912463
btw that retarded image is a perfect example.
A landlord exploiting wealth to manipulate a housing market is a problem, a problem that might be solved with any number of regulatory measures under a capitalist system. The exact solution would depend on specific details and the parties involved.

ALL you get with these dumbass "capitalism sucks" arguments is ruling trash assholes fighting over who gets to be the pig who owns all the houses. Meanwhile rent control policies and public housing solutions have repeatedly been shown to be disastrous and usually result in terrible slums where no one ever wants to live.

(PS the cat in the comic does look like the kind of pathetic loser I picture when I think of a commie. So great job on that part.)

>>512915322
I'm libertarian but even I know when it's time to get the government to slap some companies in line. For instance, universal health care is probably the best option because current health insurance companies aren't being competitive by offering lower prices but are using anti-competitive policies such as not allowing patients to see providers out-of-network to maintain a stronghold. We gave the free market a shot and they fucked up, so now all those insurance companies should lose. I'm at the point where the government should seize control and all assets of a company that is determined to be a monopoly by court of law.

>>512916419
Healthcare has an inherent problem with infinite demand and information asymmetry. The free market breaks down when Doctors can say "you need this drug to live" and patients will be willing to pay as much as they can afford.

But beyond that, health insurance itself got totally fucked up by Obamacare and fully socialized systems. Sure, there may have been "anti-competitive policies" but there were also basic insurance concepts like risk pools to help keep costs sane.

The whole point of "insurance" is to pool resources to as a hedge against bad luck. Everyone chips in, then the unlucky guy who gets cancer can have his treatment paid for by the community. Insurance companies used to be able to discriminate based on risk profile. A young, healthy non-smoking male is a very low risk for a major medical expense, so they have a low premium. A chain-smoking obese diabetic pays a much higher premium since their risk is higher.

After Obama, they're only allowed to discriminate based on how much you make (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need)

>>512916082
One solution to the housing market monopoly (which isn't that widespread right now) is to switch from a property tax based on what's on the land to a land-value tax based on the value of the land itself. The tax reflects the value of the land according to demand and recent sales of nearby properties.

In our current system, an apartment complex on one acre of land in a neighborhood would pay more taxes compared to a one acre parking lot in the same neighborhood. In a land-value tax evaluation, both would pay around the same in taxes. This would encourage land owners to use the land economically or lose it; holding onto land becomes more costly and waiting for somebody to pony up the dough to buy the place at their ideal pricetag is going to result in a financial loss.

>>512917003
The big problem is when you have health insurance providers rejecting coverage of medical treatments because they hurt the bottom line. That's why a guy with eyebrows killed the United Healthcare CEO.

>>512864399 (OP)
not capitalism, that's corruption

>>512917353
That's an inherent problem in any insurance market.
Btw that CEO and company operate under the Obamacare system, where Health "Insurance" companies are a government-sanctioned bureaucracy that collects premiums instead of taxes.
Socialized healthcare doesn't actually have any solution to this problem. Someone will always have incentive to deny payouts.

>>512907570
>>512908779
>>512909895
If communism were only achievable under the condition of world peace then that would necessarily be an issue of theory, since world peace is a utopian concept. Communism isn't utopian, we acknowledge that a perfect world cannot ever exist, but we are also sincerely believe that the material conditions to reduce harm in our societies manifest through the abolition of private property, and we also believe the abolition of private property to be an entirely realistic goal given we have previously had thousands of years of human society before the existence of capital.

No, like I said, it's an issue of praxis - trying to lead a decentralized revolution is a careful business and not nearly as easy as something like a unified state ideology. This is why Leninism is the most common tendency of Communists, because many Communists believe the Leninist method to be the path of least resistance - I, and many others, completely disagree, and use historical examples to illustrate our point regarding that.
These problems can be addressed by modifying our practical methods, modifying praxis. For example, like I mentioned earlier, Nazbols like myself typically advocate for a decentralized "people's military," a completely non-state entity, for the continued protection of the society from potential foreign invaders and threats.
These disagreements over party structure are so deeply entrenched in Communist discussion that it almost makes organization impossible. Leninists and Kropotkinists often mutually refuse to work together leaving anyone in the middle left in the cold.
Speaking of Lenin, the original party he was with, the RSDLP split into two parties, the Bolshevik Party and the Menshevik Party, over this disagreement in structure. Bolsheviks were statists and the Mensheviks were anti-statists. Lenin had intentionally organized all the statists into a new independent party, and that party ended up being the party to achieve revolt in Russia.

Nigger

King shit

>>512920765
Anon, communism cannot exist on a large scale successfully. It will always fail if applied to everyone because humans have insatiable desire yet the world is limited in resources. Who gets to live in Hawaii? Not everyone can live in Hawaii. People will always see other people as being superior or inferior to other people. Adults don't see children as equals. Communism worked in clans and tribes, not kingdoms and nations.

>>512864399 (OP)
Lobbying is not 'capitalism', its legalized corruption = a political issue

>>512923299
>Who gets to live in Hawaii?
We can apply structures and systems for handling this sort of thing, such as housing co-operatives that manage housing and where people live.
You say, "Hey, I wanna live in Hawaii," so you petition both the district council in Hawaii, and you say "Hey, I wanna live in Hawaii," and they ask you for some questions regarding your life and current living situation, and then the district council works with the local housing co-operative to assess your eligibility. If your material conditions meet the criteria for the area, and there is open space, then you will be approved for a home there, if not, then tough shit find somewhere else.

A system like this is how an economy of resource distribution based on one's material needs would work.

>>512923299
>>512923905
Communism doesn't "work on a large scale" like you're thinking it does; it's not one massive collaborative project, its a federated network of different collaborative projects, a decentralized system.

Hence, district council - the democratic government of a district.

These districts could be united via a general article of federation or something that necessitates communism, but otherwise all districts would self-govern and be sovereign. One could ban guns and the other could be rife with them, for example.
How this becomes one big global society is merely through the federation structure. They're not actually interacting with each other as one society would, but more so the way cells do in the human body.

>>512923299
>>512923905
>>512924148
Moments of dissent or disruption would be handled within a district by its district council, that is not a worry of the wider society.

Its not one big commune, its just a massive series of small communes. Small communes have been proven time and time again to work very well. Communism would essentially just be a federation of small communes, "districts."

>>512874411
wtf i love jewish communism now

>>512923299
>>512923905
>>512924148
>>512924295
If you want to live in Big Island, Hawaii, take that up with the district council of Big Island. They will work with the Big Island housing co-operative to try to find you a suitable home.

>>512864399 (OP)
that's NOT capitalism... it's protestantism

>>512923905
A council decides? Who's on the council? Hawaiians? People who already live there? People voted into their seats?
>>512924148
So a commune has freedom to put whatever laws into effect that they agree upon? Like a community could give people who do things like change the plumbing into newer pipes little gifts like tokens that can be used to redeem benefits like for getting a plot in the community garden?
>>512924384
Let's say somebody has lived in a neighborhood in Hawaii for ten years. Should they be required to move out so somebody else may have a turn living there? What if the house was passed down through a family? Do they give it up so then others get to live there for once?

>>512925235
>A council decides?
Yes, worker councils are the most common idea of governance among Communists of all kinds. The word "Soviet" basically means "worker council" in Russian, as a matter of fact, the name "Soviet Union" means "union of worker councils."
>Who's on the council?
Anyone, or potentially everyone, depending on the system. It could be democratic, direct democracy, or it could be a system of role switching where everyone gets a temporary turn in a government position in constant rotation.
>Hawaiians?
>People who already live there?
Well, yes, you would have to live in a district to be on that district's council and govern said district. That is how the district stays community-oriented.
The "people who already live there" part could include you, if you petitioned their council, and they had an apartment or condo or home or whatever that met your material needs.
>People voted into their seats?
Again, that is certainly one way of the two most common ways to do it. Democracy, either direct or representative (ideally direct), is one; role switching is the other.
>So a commune has freedom to put whatever laws into effect that they agree upon?
Assuming it doesn't come into conflict with said article of federation, which would mostly only outline the necessity for the common ownership of property - go crazy on the rest of it.
>Like a community could give people who do things like change the plumbing into newer pipes little gifts like tokens that can be used to redeem benefits like for getting a plot in the community garden?
Absolutely, most certainly. Community decision making through democracy and direct action.
>Let's say somebody has lived in a neighborhood in Hawaii for ten years. Should they be required to move out so somebody else may have a turn living there?
Distribution based on need. You keep the home as long as your material need matches those that are provided by the home. A family of 4 needs a 4 bedroom, not some random lonely dude.

>>512925235
>>512926298
>What if the house was passed down through a family?
You would keep it as long as your need matches the conditions of the home. If not it would be redistributed to someone who would need it more. Like, again, if your uncle leaves you a four bedroom home, and you're actively building a family, you'd keep that home to build the family in - but in the same situation, minus the family, they would give it to a family instead of you.

That is how a system of need works. Sometimes you lose out, but never unfairly, and you still get another home in exchange for what you lost at zero cost.

>>512925235
>>512926298
>>512926383
Distribution based on need would make strong positive change in our birth rates, finally providing people the proper resources with which to start families and raise families, giving natural incentive toward starting families. This would help save the white race.
It doesnt incentivize child bearing and rearing for the public perception of the nation to be families of 6 packed into trailers like clowns in cars while faggots like mark zuckerberg live in five bedroom penthouses that are uninhabited 90% of the year.

No one wants to raise children under those conditions.

>>512865027
Based Nestle killing shitskin nigger turd worlder larva

>>512864399 (OP)
Wait do they think if moms are at home they're going to use Breastmilk instead of Formula?