How would you feel if the US Balkanized?
And would you move from where you currently live?

>>512918461
>2000
What about now

>>512916444 (OP)
I'd be happy with it. I'd stay right here and fight it out even though we'd import infinite third world biomass anyway.
>>512918461
VGH.... the Lutheran Khanate

>>512916444 (OP)
It won't balkanize since there's only two groups: the awful American party system, and those are generally going to be split by big cities vs non-big cities, which if you wanted to make a country of both would look like the random hodgepodge of blue and red counties you see.

>>512916444 (OP)
>Deseret
Mormons deserve nothing and should get even less.

>>512916444 (OP)
Division division division. Don't believe the hype.

>>512916444 (OP)
Balkanization is stupid and you should let people govern. Faggot.

>>512916444 (OP)
Checked. I would stay in the Union of America

>>512916444 (OP)

It would be in bigger debt?

>>512916444 (OP)
Where are all the smart people.

>>512916444 (OP)
>>512918461
California and The South are the only two factions that would ever care to secede and be able to.

>>512919266
That's a good metric for a certain level of high development in urban areas I hadn't thought of
Texas could be on its own, but I don't think you could hang a single state on it, even Louisiana, as they are smaller states they would want to avoid it being independent minded, even if Texas was split in 5, it would take a whole lot of states to balance it out and make it even.

West coast 3 would definitely go together however. And Arizona would surely join with Nevada, and Utah, and Idaho, but I don't think Montana would want to be counted with them, and would prefer to go with a large midwestern bloc.

Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, and Mississippi would all probably agree to be one sort of belt, and Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida would probably stick close together, but they would not reform the old rebel state as one.

The rest would be much split, with Illinois probably having to join with the Midwest, but Ohio probably wanting to be with the capitol.

>>512919705
The South wouldn't pull that again unless it was already coming down with secessions of other state(s)

>>512916444 (OP)

>>512919957
Actually in Texas they call them all "Dr."
"Can I have some Dr. Coke?"
"Can I have some Dr. Pepsi?"
&c

Real balkinization map coming through.

>>512920063
>Middle Kingdom
Anachronism, they just called it a continuation of the kingdom

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>>512920250

>>512920418

>>512916444 (OP)
Cali sure as shit won't be aligned with Texas as in the dumb movie.

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>>512920580
brother, Texas is already as mexican as it is white

>>512916444 (OP)
My oblast would be financially fucked beyond recovery and would look like Africa within a decade. I'd try and flee to Republic of Texas or Pacific Union. Everyone else is screwed in this scenario.

>>512916444 (OP)
>State of Dessert
Who the fuck named that bullshit

>>512920681
Deseret is a made-up Mormon word meaning “bee”

>>512916444 (OP)
Lol this is so not how it would break up.

>>512920024
That is total madness tier.

Elated and at the same time punched in the ass.
Yes. I would move from Wigton to Scaley Bridge immediately.

>>512916444 (OP)
>"union of america" when united states already exists
Retarded

>>512920681
It's supposed to be pronounced like dess-ur-ett like a stripper name or something. It's Mormon nonsense

>>512916444 (OP)
The Mississippi river fucks your gay map sideways, I ain't bedding down with Wisconsin cucks in my neighborhood fren. And they could never take NE Iowa that's a guarantee.

>>512921073
They have a thread on /lit/
>>>/lit/24631835

>>512920874
What will actually happen is multiple regions of the country will become globohomo strongholds like the midwest and eastern seaboard while most of the interior becomes no-man's land / feudal kingdoms, a few of which will become bigger and threaten what's left of the old regime.

>>512918744
The richest states have the biggest multiple. The wealth inequality doesn't push the poor down, it probably helps them. If you're in a rich state, there's money left over to help the poor.

>>512921141
see
>>512919775
>>512920250
>>512920418
>>512920595

>>512921195
Brazil, famously generous to the poor

>>512920845
>Paging dr. pib
>dr. pib
>you had your medical license revoked
>it's mr. pib from now on
>"Never operate on a senator's son"

>>512916444 (OP)
ONLY THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA WANT TO WEAKEN AMERICA

CHYNA
R*SSIA
THE LIST GOES ON

>>512916444 (OP)
50 independent states run by Americans is better than 1 national state run by Jews

If the Jews can’t be removed from power in DC then the only option left is to break the country apart

>>512921215
I looked at it but I'm not sure what it's supposed to be. It's definitely not accurate.

>>512916444 (OP)
Balkanization would be an extremely good thing and is probably the only hope for White Americans (but I repeat myself). The problem though is, just like in the Balkans, how do you remove the undesired population from "your area"? The break up of Yugoslavia was ugly and is still on-going some 30+ years later and will continue. The UN is the only thing artificially holding together Bosnia, the Kosovo area and border regions. They also have a much stronger ethnic identity in that area compared to here in America. Who knows. One way or the other it will get sorted out in time but it will be an ugly process most likely. Everyone will be happier if it happens hard and fast though.

>>512921376
It is assuming the breakup were now, and not later for some demographic shift reason, like a bunch of mexicans turning Texas into a shithole

>>512921402
You can sort of do demographic engineering to make sure the 'White' population is 95%+ in your area depending on how the collapse unfolds. Forming a White revolutionary republic in somewhere like Wyoming or whatever makes this easier - maybe Idaho.

Once you reach that 95% threshold, then you can look at humanely redistributing coloureds to other places

>>512921376
>>512921437
Addendum

>>512921376
>>512921621
previously Americans were most divided by race
Now we are most divided by class
It figures

>>512921484
Yeah, maybe. There is not a strong white identity that is anywhere near a majority threshold among whites even in "white" states. Federal government has spend 60 years de-racializing white people through aggressive indoctrination and suppression. My analysis leads me to believe that conditions would have to get extremely hard for the average white person to radicalize them. Things have to get worse before they get better. It's just human nature apparently.

>>512921437
This is not a perfectly accurate map, but it gives you a rough idea.

>>512921907
That is assuming some kind of hot war which would be much worse than pictured

>>512916444 (OP)
My map wouldnt look like that.

>>512921951
Well of course it would be a hot war. What the fuck are you talking about? America balkanizing "peacefully"? Lol

>>512916444 (OP)
If the US Balkanized then so would Canada at the same time because there would be a lot of spillover.

>>512921907
>>512921951
U.S. People wouldn't be able to keep Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Washington, and Oregon, if the baddies had a hold of that much at once.

>>512921996
It would be a total clusterfuck
Rebels have very little chance of making a dent in anything outside of democratic means already achieved

>>512922033
There's nothing to balkanize in gay ass syrup land. The main population centers would be ZOGbot'd for a while, while most of it turned into wasteland / feudal kingdoms, ZOG installations and disputed territory.

>>512921996
Balkanization implies it not being a half and half civil war, but a whole bunch of competing interests having to look out for themselves

>>512916444 (OP)
I think America is both more connected and less connected. There's a very, very thin veneer of a culture that's holding everything together, but test it and it's all but paper. Obviously I'd stay where I am with my friends and family. It's really hard to have any good will for America when it's got nothing beneath it. And from reading /pol/ we're just being mugged to pay for political patronage of foreigners and the political class. Glorified tax farm.

>>512921907
What's the story here
Upstate NY randomly declares independence
Somehow there's a third front in the middle of New England that the states themselves can't squash up against Canada?
Washington and Oregon would not bow across the mountains and would buddy up with Cali ASAP shtf

>>512922061
ZOG would lose almost ALL of the interior basically immediately. I actually didn't put that much time into the map, because certain regions like much of Pennsylvania would be lost by ZOG and/or disputed while certain areas like kinfucky would be disputed territory since they're almost entirely rural, but ZOG has insane ideological hold over those regions. ZOG knows damn well how much territory they would lose, which is why it's kind of fucking insane how crazy a game of chicken they've been playing with revolution the past few years. Housing costs are STILL fucking rising, groceries are still insane, the healthcare system is now THIRD WORLD fucking tier.

>>512922136
Yeah that's the mistake. This idea that america is "like so diverse or something omg!". It's not. A few areas are ZOGbot strongholds and everywhere else is just people that hate the government. The mormons will get wiped out almost immediately. No, it doesn't matter what fantasy you have about them. They will work as ZOG vassals during any revolution and pay the cost for it in short order. That entire religion would be wiped out within a year.

>>512922313
>wiped out
Do you wanna know something? The Book of Mormon is from Africa & God is real.

My breakup assumes the Republicans stay in nominal power for a couple of decades unable to do anything; if it's Dems then God knows what.

>>512922417
>God knows what
Probably wake up its 1984

>>512922417
I mean to say, of course Virginia and NC are strongholds, but if the gov't itself fell apart, they would go separately from SC and Maryland and lead their own separate confederacy

>>512922375
>The Book of Mormon is from Africa
It’s the result of a dude gifted in improvisation riffing and free associating on all the Bible verses he grew up reading and hearing from his Methodist parents.

>>512922520
It took Mark Twain 14 years in his attempt to replicate the magic of pseudohistory on as large a scale and in as fine of detail, and it absolutely pales in comparison to the cavernous depths of the gold plates. They are hidden in plain sight and their mundanity is an illusion. Get them ASAP and don't be a doubter.

>>512922258
Pretty much anything that is not a hyper-urbanized megalopolis sprawl shithole ZOG can't hold. Aside from their DUMBs and various military outposts scattered all over the place. But I didn't mark all that bullshit. Pretty much ANY rural or suburban area instantly becomes a warzone or no-go territory for ZOG. Any city in the interior other than perhaps Chicago for a short time will fall to anti-ZOG forces.

Look at how desperate and struggling the democratic party is just to stay alive at this point - and I am very much NOT implying that any political party will be any non-ZOGbot's friend during the collapse. But the point is, they only exist in hyper-urbanized centers and they're clearly the minority power. This is a good analog for how the power dynamic is in a collapse. Only amerinigger politics are fake and trans so the truth is that the urbanized soi liberal globohomo hippie bullshit is even less popular than they would have you believe WHILE THEY'RE LOSING.

>>512922417
Political party affiliation has no real bearing on the breakup. It's not based on party affiliation.

>>512919775
you wouldn't be able to another state on Texas, their neighboring states don't like them much.
Also, California would split into no less than 3 different states. Its one of the only states that has a century+ old internal secession movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)
its not volatile, it's not radical, its not revolutionary, its stable and it has local popular support. CA and Oregon wont let it happen legally
but if they ever fail to keep law and order in tact, Jefferson will secede.

>>512922649
That's what I said
As for California, even if they split they would be together with the other west coasters in "left coast"
A breakup wouldn't be about states failing but the federal government failing (Balkanization)

>>512922649
Places like texas are barren wastelands in disguise. During any collapse, without serious relilef, millions will starve immediately. A lot of places in america are basically hallucinations propped up by neoliberal devil-worship. Phoenix, AZ will be immediately abandoned, for obvious reasons.

>>512922752
Not really. Oregon is mostly empty. Washington is only "left coast" for Seattle. These places would be mostly empty. Seattle I fully expect to be abandoned completely as the billionaires flee to bunkers or ZOGbot strongholds with more defensive ability.

>>512919266
Washington University is in Missouri, not Illinois.

>>512922780
>A lot of places in america are basically hallucinations propped up by neoliberal devil-worship.
Las Vegas, obviously
Most of Florida
The majority of Utah, too

>>512916444 (OP)
Couldnt care less.

>>512922946
>Most of Florida
Wut? How so? Florida isn't desert and is surrounded by ocean.

>>512922946
>neoliberal devil-worship
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/87?lang=eng
Joe Smith predicted the Civil War, WWI & II, scribes got the punctuation wrong but the words hold up: "Even the nation of Great Britain" is a new line new entry in the list of nations war would be poured out on and not one SC would successfully call on.

>>512922946
>The majority of Utah
Yeah, also that's going to work against mormons. The retards set up shop in the middle of a fucking desert.

>>512922752
right, I was agreeing with the texas part.
still disagree with CA and the coastals being pals.
jefferson is a warlord zone that will split them in 2
and if they want to fight about it, okay.
its all mountains, bridges and forests. it can shut down all traffic from north to south, forcing them logistics to go all the way around through nevada.
given the costs of fighting a war and the need to keep that supply line open, they will grant jefferson independence and leave it the fuck alone.
also more than half of SoCal's water comes from Jefferson and the seasonal snowmelt.
it'd be cheaper them to make a deal, jefferson would have ZERO interest in being confederated with the oregon and sacramento governments.

>>512923058
Kept them out of the first Civil War.

>>512923086
The first civil war wasn't like the upcoming revolution. It's not a civil war. That's just what people call it.

>>512923041
It’s swampland that has to be drained to be habitable, but even with that it’s vulnerable to hurricanes every year.
Also the bugs and snakes

>>512923066
Ok thought you were correcting
Look at the actual Balkans - it wasn't but national ideological political lines. An isolated minority is not much able to damage an occupying force. It would line up with state borders.

>>512923138
look at this one again
>>512919775
What are the explicit faults you find in it?

1. There would be a large spanning Midwest government of consensus
2. There would be a Northeast bloc
3. Maybe Virginia and NC would stick to that if conditions changed to support it being that way but then it would be much harder for things to align in the other states to necessitate a breakup

>>512923140
Lol that's not accurate. Florida is a mosaic of savannah, marsh, hammock (yes, including swamp), beach and forest further north. None of that is bad for growing food or a threat to your survival. The worst part about Florida is the myakka soil, which is bad for a lot of food crops, but plenty can still be grown in Florida and is. The real problem with Florida is that the southern 1/2 is a ZOGbot hive.

>>512916444 (OP)
I'd move to Appalachian Redoubt, and be 2500' above mean sea level.

>>512923366
>southern 1/2
Exclaves do not fare well especially in a federal breakup situation

>>512923146
the locals don't recognize those state borders though, the borders are considered a nuisance locally, and they have local terms. Calvada for example, because the communities on that side have more business and commutes cross-border than they do with the rest of their respective states. Calzona is basically California boomer retirement. Then there's a portion of CA and AZ that is just las vegas sprawl and mojave shit, like Fallout Las Vegas, but more bleak and shitty because the game can't make an accurate account of niggers.
The USMC is the only ground power in CA aside from the people, and given the workload they would find jefferson easier to leave alone and work with peacefully, than all of the other shit they have on their plate.
If anything Jefferson would immediately declare for whatever union was at war with California, and their most likely and closest potential ally would be the USMC.
It doesn't necessarily want independence from the union, just from California and Oregon.

>>512923201
Let's see:

- The biggest problem with these maps is they tend to be broken down based on perceived culture NOW, not what would actually happen in a SHTF scenario. That's why there are always so many regions.
- There would be no "deserret". That's fag shit. All desert regions will become uninhabitable wastes and people will leave them or die, except for ZOGnigger military installations. There's these things called "food" and "water" that are necessary for survival that you still need once the local water plant ceases operations and Wal*Mart isn't getting bi-weekly shipments from 3,000 fucking miles away.
- Texas will cease to exist. It's desert.
- All these various regions are fallacy. They don't exist. It will either be a few mega-city ZOGbot hives or warlord wastes.

That's pretty much it. There will never be a "balkanization" because america isn't a balkans. It's a few strongholds of a terrorist government ruling over 350 million people that fucking loathe it. Also, in any SHTF scenario basic local resources like water sources are going to reassert themselves as central to human life. Buh-buh most of the southwest.

>>512923416
Correct, but ZOG has invested insanely in southern Florida. That's why there are so many ops running there. There's also a shitton of jews there. Miami is also a major port for illegal black trading like slaves and drugs.

>>512923707
>fag shit
State governments would default, and west coast would not go to war with the midwest, and it would be too loosely governed there for the mountain states to be coerced

>>512923707
They would more likely want to keep all of Florida then, and also all of the coast north of it they'd be able to hold very easily, and California would tow the line, and Oregon and Washington wouldn't want to start anything; if a secession from the federal government were to happen with the feds being strong their biggest problem would be keeping the military itself in line and not permitting desertion in the Midwest and South, who are not aligned IRL, and would have to be in order for anything real to happen that couldn't be quashed.

People up the Mississippi live on a different planet where George Bush is still president and 90s music is king.

>>512923761
No, I mean it's fag shit as in delusional. There will be no modern states in the middle of fucking deserts. That is an artificial fucking thing that neoliberalism invented and it's going to stop COLD TURKEY as soon as the Wal*Mart shipments stop, the AC goes out and the tap shuts off.

>>512923868
Yeah the East Coast is really going to be ZOG's only stronghold. They'll lose Commiefornia too, because it's also largely desert. But there's rich faggot shit there that the childrapers want to keep so they'll try for a time.

>>512923960
There wouldn't be all out war between all parts, some would get along as well with each other and willingly remain separate.

>>512923960
>lose Commiefornia
Fuck no that's where 2 major centers of industry and control are, SF and LA. Lose that and it's just an east coast rump state. They keep Cali at cost of FL, which is disobedient to false authorities and would side with Texas in the South.

>>512924004
No, if anything the interiorlands will be mostly united against ZOG and they know it. There will definitely be territorial disputes though.

>>512924062
>>512923960
They bring in the UN with a new charter to keep California before letting it break away from federal control, strong fed scenario

>>512924062
Like I said. ZOG will TRY to hold onto Commiefornia because of valuable shit there, but it's too far from their powerbase and they'll lose it rather quickly too. Want and can are two different things.

>>512916444 (OP)
Which part will be full white? No jews, no spics, no blacks, no mutts.

>>512924075
Defensively united though, but not strong enough to form a total central government with the south involved
You are right in vaguely dividing up the Red states because they all have different regional interests, they only align when the national interest is to weaken the feds. Separation would be the end not the start of political combination.

>>512924062
And Florida is fake and gay glownigger shit. Florida doesn't "resist" glowniggetry. It's' like glownigger Hollywood. It's where the glowniggetry is fucking made.

>>512919266
There are thousands of pajeets in those universities.

>>512924125
California would be an absolute mess of messes but it would take power projection over land for the red states and power projection over sea for the blue states and sea would trump land.

>>512924169
Oh no, the interior will definitely not be a united whole. Nor does it need to be to win. It quite simply outnumbers ZOG.

>>512924257
the only number that matters is $

>>512916444 (OP)
Why is NY in New England? What fucking retard made this map?

>>512923960
I agree with that, everything without water for local agriculture and cattle is done. those area will depopulate. Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Las Vegas would need to be secured by the military to prevent the human disaster of those people moving somewhere else all at once.
Utah and Idaho have water, but Nevada would be desolate outside of a few months everywhere except the north (which is basically Idaho) and the south which is Las Vegas, but Las Vegas is too populated to maintain.

>>512924317
If shit gets that bad then the feds win by default.

>>512924342
>If shit gets that bad then the feds win by default.
Lol

>>512924389
There's a reason we have a federal government
Only a stabler and sensibler government could fill the void if it fell apart.

FL would not be aligned with any state. A lot of people group us with Alabama and Georgia but most Floridians hate the fuck out of them. Southern hospitality is gone. These fucks come down here to our beautiful state like expats in SEA. I know we're arrogant, but we prefer our version of arrogance and superiority over those retarded savages. Even now some retard from a bordering state is reading my comment and thinking "We don't want to be with you either" and I say GOOD. There's nothing wrong with segregation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret
Notice anything?

>>512924456
Lmao

>>512924512
Texas and Florida are glue enough to bring them all into the fold eventually
>>512920250
It would be a convenience to not be governed by Virginia and NC, and to have a weakened Deep South bunch up with FL per map 1

>>512924525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_cgEo27fM

A hot war would be a "who can get gas" war and would be over as soon as one side had a navy and the other did not.

Without a navy, how can you fuel the planes?

>>512918487
>Democrats win
>The whole country gets sick of them

>>512925050
Hopefully they've landed on the red space which says "go back 3 spaces"

>>512924910
How does a navy do shit to Nebraska? You talking nuclear subs or something?

>>512925098
You were the one talking about food.

>>512925098
>nebraska
3 house rep's

>>512925128
Do you think boats grow food? If you want to live on fish, go live in the sea.

>>512925161
None of this has any relevance. Humans don't live in the ocean. Most of the battles will be taking place far inland. I don't know what you think the navy is supposed to do.

>>512925182
People in countries not in active war with themselves grow food to sell to the rich coastal side at cost of higher prices for the poor at home

>>512925224
>battles
there isn't a coherent anti-fed side to even organize enough

>>512925225
We're talking about a wartime situation. You seem to be implying drastic depopulation isn't built-in. It is.

>>512925272
I don't even know how to respond to that. A lot of irrelevant assumptions going on.

>>512925346
>drastic depopulation
What could possibly coalesce fast enough to cause that to be a determinant of the front lines?

>>512925397
BRUH.

Just how smoothly do you think a civilizational collapse / revolution is going to go? Citizens set D.C. on fucking fire for martial law. You think they won't do worse during a full scale revolution? Shit will get wild fast. For both sides.

>>512925554
Who will the sides be?

>>512921907
If the interior is not united then the government wins by default
If the interior is united enough to win why are they not in power?

>>512916444 (OP)
yeah id just move around the country killing monarchies
this is actually seeming like a pretty fucking fun plan now cause as soon as any Verona offshoot set up shop on my soil I'm going full fucking kill them all

>>512925644
>If the interior is not united then the government wins by default
LOL

>>512918461
Christian is an entry of its own?

>>512925687
The people will be herded, that's what people do

>>512921083
The driftless is ours, cornhole.

So there'd be full-on Balkans-style ethnic cleansing if shit hit the fan, right? It would be a continent-wide race war.

Blacks would be screwed since they're hated by multiple other races. I actually expect a total genocide of all black people in North America in the event of the collapse of the USA.

>>512925644
Alright, you've gotten goofy enough. Time to post some old shit. Now this poster focused on things I haven't even brought up, but I agree with him and ZOG on a few things:

1: ZOG will not win. Revolution is a no-win scenario for it. That's what all its bullshit contingencies are for and I don't think they have much faith in them either (and they were all countered before ZOG put them on paper anyway), which is why it still fascinates me that ZOG is STILL trying to piss literally everyone off for some insane reason.
2: Realism is going to be returning to economies. Economies are not "rich pedophiles get to invent money and be demons forever". Economies are "Are you located near a clean stream? Congratulations, you might not die of thirst/waterborne disease". Everyone will be reminded of this soon.

The only thing I can figure is that the leadership of the (((west))) has become so terminally boomer they're totally detached from fucking reality at this point.

I have my own thoughts, not perfect by any means and this doesn't imply retaining any borders, just a general sense of land gain.
This also has a lot of implications. First, the people group up and quickly coup before any military retaliation happens, and/or the coup has military support, second, the people don't immediately go at eachother and can negotiate peacefully, and finally, this all assumes that global powers don't just invade and gobble us up like candy while the land's up for grabs. (even THEN, I still assume other countries getting territorial gains.)

>>512923138
I do see a nonzero chance that people on both parties align on hating the Jew (among other Pigs), and use that as a driving force to cause a proper revolution, rather than a civil war, but right now I'm seeing populist leftist members finally getting a hold in mayoral elections, beating out AIPAC lobbyists. It can easily turn into a Commies vs NatSoc situation still.

>>512925397
I disagree on both fronts; Gas is one thing, but the United States, even if nuclear is fake (what the fuck), has regular-payload ICBMs that can absolutely target themselves in a situation where a revolution is likely, even at the cost of global reputation (see: Gaza). If the gov't collapses, whoever obtains those has the leverage. If it's multiple (and there are likely silos across the country), then there will be a scuffle and we will have our split-up. Otherwise, the opposition will Just Simply Die. If it's nukes? Forget about balkanization, one way or the other.
And in all of these scenarios, I guarantee that the people behind our breakdown will make like the Dickens to the middle east.

>>512925940
>goofy
Ass clown

>>512918769
That map wasn't even true in 2000, they just split the English count. In reality it is all Anglo as Germans have a voting majority nowhere at all and Germans rely on being 1/4 German and counting it as equal to being 1/2 English, and that is being generous as its really close to 3:1. Sucks to be German knowing they have no successful diaspora without relying on us like welfare queens.

>>512925826
Can you name a war america has ever won? Literally the most technologically sophisticated and expensive military in the history of the world and one of the largest in manpower. Not one victory (unless you count vs itself).

>>512925945
>the people group up and quickly coup
Coup the states?
>target themselves
But if you kill your enemies they win

>>512926031
Feds will always go for the lowball - annoy the people as much as possible and bait them into unforced errors

>>512926031
Space race
and the war of not falling apart by making unforced errors

It's almost as if
The Rich
are better at governing than ideologues

>>512925904
Not really. Edgy faggots will try it, but warlords like order and they'll put a stop to that shit almost overnight via public executions.

>>512925963
Nigger you're so dumb you think the fucking mormons are going to come out smelling like roses. They'll be extinct before the first year of the war is up.

>>512925945
>It can easily turn into a Commies vs NatSoc situation still.
I don't know where people get these ideas. NatSoc only works in an ethnically homogeneous population and america doesn't have a single one of those, except your favorite meme populations like amish and mormons. Even the sectors of the country ZOG as turned into latin america are not a single ethnicity. The amish sure as hell aren't going to win a war. And ZOG isn't communist. No neoliberal is. They're capitalists. And capitalism is about to eat a fat shit and take a bloated float down the Ganges. No, I'm afraid you're going to have to start thinking outside the bullshit fake and trans "economic" systems the jews have drilled into your brain.

>>512916444 (OP)
These maps are always so wrong. It would just be everyone vs the cities. Cities should just be their own states in a confederation, they can do what they want and reasonable people can do what we want.

>>512926031
They successfully blamed the Maine on Spain, but that's long ago. We haven't had a modern victory for a while.
>>512926097
On the fed; again, it'd have to be a quick execution, OR (more likely) the coup is allowed by the military, otherwise the military will just bomb the revolt and win (as you mentioned), global reputation be damned. State gov'ts will pick up where the fed died.
you did make a fair point though; they might remove some of the state gov'ts as well, including some that I point as a lynchpin for their sides. It makes every side less stable as a result, which could lead to the third assumption being more likely (that the divided states are simply conquered by other nations like Canada, China, Europe and Russia).

>>512926273
Funny how they're still around but confederates like you aren't.

>>512926125
So you think tricks will win a second revolution?

>>512926170
K, so you filled the upper atmosphere with garbage. Congratulations, you're space india.

>>512916444 (OP)
I feel disgust when nu/pol/ posts trash maps like that because it shows how zoomers dont know anything about nationalism or how and why a country might balkanize or even if thats viable. At some point serious discourse was replaces by larping retards.

>>512926256
They they've done a great job so far making life literally unlivable for the 8 billion people they created via neoliberal overpopulation all so they can steal organs and rape babies. Holy shit the world could scarcely be more demonic than it is right now if every capital were seated inside a volcano and surrounded by flying imps.

>>512925940
>image
>a perfect storm after a perfect storm after a perfect storm
Yea that'd do it
That and only that.

>>512926484
see >>512924456 again
The only thing that can replace the bourgeoise is something better at governing.

>>512926367
>They successfully blamed someone
LOL A woman's victory if I ever heard one.

>>512926385
Weird you think I'm a confederate. Far too parochial for my tastes.

>>512926484
They already lost the short game they were playing with Democrat horseshit
They are not going to lose the mid game to the same clowns who voted for Trump (and the few decent people who started it all on 4chan)
Those are 51% boomers who aren't going to be assed to revolution against their own 401K

The only thing that can outlast the medium game of ideological censorship and the long game of infinite money is something eternal, like the Church of Jesus Christ.

>>512918864
how is there not air polllution in florida? this map doesn't make sense.

>>512926577
Same mistakes - hate the system so much you forget the people are the ones who hold it up as "eh good enough"

>>512926531
I see posts like this and I'm momentarily terrified. 4U. Mankind is really not prepared for what you've brought down on yourselves. I feel kind of bad for you. You think this is still all about you children fighting over which blocks are whose. Your species is about to be judged. For real this time. Not a minor local fall of civilization. You literally pissed off fundamental universal forces.

>>512923138
it'll be the American Years of Lead

>>512926031
Literally all of them. The us didnt just bumble from defeat to defeat and magically end up ruling the world. Theres not a single war the us has fought where it didnt achieve its strategic goals.

>>512926744
The only thing that can beat infinity is infinity + 1

>>512926744
>doom and gloom
Are you even a whig?

>>512926705
Well first of all it's a peninsula. Secondly, Florida isn't exactly known to have a huge industrial base. Now water pollution, that the state has in abundance.

>>512926692
Silliness. You wanna live, move out of the desert.

>>512926720
Bruh, it's 2025 and you're on incrementalism bullshit? It's far too late for that.

>>512926803
No you used jews to rape every country economically and blackmail all their leaders. You sure as fuck didn't win militarily. Good luck doing that during a hot revolution. I don't think freezing people's bank accounts for being "transphobes" will have the same effect then.

>>512926896
Only doom and gloom for your side.

>>512920063
lmfao SCAdians are mostly retarded

>>512926965
>incrementalism
Heck no

>you wanna live
You and what army?

>>512916444 (OP)
what retard made this map
and why did they delete Duluth and insert an extra Grand Forks

>>512926965
Wrong anon. Also stop posting as if you're an alien or something. You did this your species. Its cringe. You just come across as a hysterical child.

>>512927032
Duluth is a stupid word. Probably why.

>>512927016
THE DESERT AND NO WATER.

>>512916444 (OP)
>How would you feel if the US Balkanized?

US balkanization scenarios don't make sense because the divide in this country is rural vs. urban.

Blue states are states where the urban population is dominant, Red states are states where the rural population is dominant. Were the country to balkanize it would essentially be a bunch of DNC city states trying to be independent.

>>512927077
Who are they at war with again? Way I see it they can pal up with West Coast and Midwest and South whatever it winds up being. Nobody actually cares enough to fuck with the Mormons. Whether they are independent or a part of one or many successor states, they will only be an asset to everybody.

>>512927068
Ok. Go "win" another war.

>>512916444 (OP)
>united STATES
>Balkanized

>>512916444 (OP)
I think it would be for the best and I would consider it a positive development, I wouldn't move there tho, I have been talking so much shit about immigrants that I cant really become one

>>512926705
or NYC

>>512924156
>Which part will be full white? No jews, no spics, no blacks, no mutts.

None. Its Amerimuttistan. They divide themselves on religion and favorite sports team, not race.

>>512927160
America has won all its wars. Thats why its so powerful you can bitch and moan online while living in luxury beyond the wildest dreams of most of humanity.

>>512927264
Just like sweden then.

>>512925225
>People in countries not in active war with themselves grow food to sell to the rich coastal side at cost of higher prices for the poor at home

The coastal cities will not be very rich when the hinterland no longer supports them with just about anything.

>>512927377
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

>>512927453
Yes anon. You fundamentally dont understand power and thats why none of your predictions about society never come to pass.

>>512927505
Go ask your boss, sweatheart. All my predictions come to pass.

>>512927630
None of them have because you're an idiot tho.

>>512918941
Germany's a great example of why a two party system is superior. What percent of the voterbase is relieved when their party is elected?

I don't want the US to Balkanize since it will just become a proxy battlefield for whoever the replacement great powers are. North America is the best continent (in regards to geography, resources, usable land, etc.) and it would be a shame if that was ruined by it becoming a Balkan shithole foreign great powers are leeching.

>>512927419
You guys should let Canada join the EU

>>512925945
>>512919775

Maps involving entire states seceding are unrealistic. It requires you to believe that there is unity in the states.

The Fire Rises has a far more accurate map.

>>512927664
Even a decade ago I told you what would come to pass. And these things either have or are. You're still not listening and you're still actively making everything worse for everyone that isn't you.

>>512927721
What good has the United States done the world? 250 years of bullshit. American Hegemony has been 80 years of unmitigated disaster for the West and for Tradition. The United States is the worst global empire in the history of global empires: Spain and Britain both did a better job running the world, even Rome and the Ottomans did better.

The United States doesn't DESERVE North America, or global hegemony.

>>512927808
No you didnt schizo. None of you're claims itt have come to pass by the way.

>>512925945
>Gas is one thing, but the United States, even if nuclear is fake (what the fuck), has regular-payload ICBMs that can absolutely target themselves in a situation where a revolution is likely, even at the cost of global reputation (see: Gaza).

There is no such thing as a conventional warhead ICBM because all ICBMs launched are presumed to be nuclear. Second, american land based ICBMs use 1970 to early 1980s guidance tech meaning that they are not dynamically reprogrammable. You just cant take a minuteman programmed to hit Vlavidostok and retarget it on Nashville at a whim. What you can do is to plunder the warheads and nigger rig them to some other weapon carrier.

The warheads most likely to be used in a civil war situation are tactical warheads like the B61 nuclear bomb or any leftover nuclear artillery shells or torpedo warheads.

>>512927869
What you mean the ones that deal with the future? Did you hit your head?

test

>>512927914
Thanks for correcting me, I'm not the military guy in my family. I believe my point in that "Someone gets the bombs/nukes, and they have the leverage" still stands, just with B61s and other warheads instead.

>>512927937
I mean the ones where you post bizarre fanfiction and generic muh zog cope while actually saying nothing meaningful all. You're not taking down anything because you don't understand the nature of power. Its not derived from the bottom up, no amount of bitching by the losers of society is ever gonna rise up. Also for some strange reason you think a war is like a zombie apocalypse where everything just falls apart and whole swathes of land suddenly become uninhabitable. Honesty I dont think you have a coherent idea you’re attempting to convey other than just the usual childish bitching and moaning about how your life and an effete westerner is so awful.

>>512928302
Ok

>>512927721
>it will just become a proxy battlefield for whoever the replacement great powers are
meh, we'll be fine

>>512919266
universities are just places smart people pass through, unless they become professors.

>>512922649
Louisiana is 100% pro Texas

Secession movements will start within a few years of any cbdc or whatever roll out where there is no more cash and the money you do have in your account has an expiration date.

Hyper financialization only benefits big coastal cities at the expense of everyone else so they won’t leave. It will be the south again once it reaches a point where not only is it not worth it to remain but a matter of survival

>>512928451
>40% of the world guns are owned by US citizens
bullshit
what they mean is 40% of REGISTERED guns.
go to Africa, Asia, and South America and take a look around for unregistered guns

>>512916444 (OP)
When are we going to get one of these threads that has a realistic map?

>>512928724
>unregistered guns
no such thing if the CIA/MIC is selling all the weapons to everyone.
and these figures come from the CIA fact book.
no doubt they're estimating on figures for weapons sales outside of their own dealings, but I'd bet those estimates are in the ballpark.
the CIA are datafags, they like good data.

>>512927843

Didn't say we need to be world hegemon, I would be content fucking off and just hanging in North America.

>>512916444 (OP)

>>512927377
>won all its wars
In recent decades it has been bad at winning wars but good at breaking down trade barriers and stealing resources from weaker powers
>>512927132
I could see a network of city-states on the coasts with a vast unorganized interior with peasant farmers and nomads where climate will support them. But eventually you’d get warlords or cities moving to capture water sources in the arid west and food sources in the arable areas, and of course fossil fuel resources.

>>512922649
Texas would likely pull in every neighboring state. Texas has refineries and oil, Arkansas and Oklahoma has wheat and rice, Louisiana has shrimp oysters and crawfish. Texas would be well positioned to dominate in the event of balkanization.

>>512931077
It’s a little bit different picture per capita

>>512931187
And it slingshots back to country (White, armed with rifles) vs city (nigger, armed with pistols) when you look county by county.

>>512931263
Have to keep the whites from suiciding with their rifles first

>>512927721
If America stopped enforcing and participating in the world economy for a single year there will not BE great powers until a billion men are dead and every single nation on earth has collapsed you moron.
The brown man is held up by the white man at all times, and if the white man drops him, he will NEVER rise up.

>>512919266
>it doesnt even have the RTP in NC on there with the 3 best hospitals in the world.

>>512931310
As opposed to the niggers all dying of overdoses.

>>512932459
You mean rednecks dying of overdoses

>>512924190
there wont be any after we're done.
>>512926965
>Florida isn't exactly known to have a huge industrial base
lol. its got a shitload of aerospace and industry, you tourists just do go to the factories.
the number of retired aerospace there alone with the military taking over would make them a superpower.
>>512925554
and when the cameras and lights go off the nogs will die off right fast.
>>512926273
>warlords like order and they'll put a stop to that shit almost overnight via public executions.
of nogs. its going to boil down to a race war. the spics are frothing at the mouth from the thought of it.
>>512925940
theres a lot of assumption in that pic, like letting prisoners go, instead of leaving them to eat each other then starve or just die of thirst in a week or two and cleaning the buildings out for new prisoners. its like you dont know what the prison protocols are in a grid down scenario.
>>512927843
>What good has the United States done the world?
we dragged everyone out of the stone age kicking and screaming and yet all we get for it is WE WUZ KAINGZ AN SHEEEEEEEEIT!

>>512916444 (OP)
I have been looking forward to this exact scenario

>>512932620
Nope lol, niggers.

All you have are memes, the statistics are always on my side.

>>512918988
What a weird sentence
How do you define the word "deserve" if it's different than what they should get?

>>512923658
Marines are retard Rednecks too dumb for Walmart. Besides they are being taken over by Blacks and Mexicans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliConnection/comments/1du1axf/random_kids_jump_2_us_marines/

>>512918864
What the fuck are they doing in Indiana?

>>512919040
How is that not "letting people govern"

I'd be surprised.
Then I'd be scared.
Then I'd be happy.

>>512920024
I'm from Texas, and I can confirm what you said is complete bullshit. Everyone I know just asks if you want a coke.

>>512920063
Isn't that guy a fag or something.

>>512916444 (OP)
If balkanization ever occurs in America it's going to happen based on racial population. The south is full with niggers and the few whites that live there are too pussy to anything with their guns, so I can assure you if the US ever balkanized all the southern whites are going to be overwhelmed and forced to flee the south while niggers take over. The Southern states will become a black ethnostate. In contrast, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho I can see joining together to become a White ethnostate.

>>512926031
Mexican-American War, Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, and Gulf War. Now if you are talking about wars they won that were in the interest of the American people, then maybe the Spanish-American War? I mean we did kill fellow Whites but we got Cuba at least I guess.

>>512931263
LAUNCH THE NVKES