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Anonymous ID: p/sXACefUnited Kingdom
8/15/2025, 8:51:43 PM No.513131192
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AI experts return from China stunned: The U.S. grid is so weak, the race may already be over

http://archive.today/GmImi

The clear limiting factor to the U.S.’s data center infrastructure development, according to a Deloitte industry survey, is stress on the power grid. Cities’ power grids are so weak that some companies are just building their own power plants rather than relying on existing grids. The public is growing increasingly frustrated over increasing energy bills – in Ohio, the electricity bill for a typical household has increased at least $15 this summer from the data centers – while energy companies prepare for a sea-change of surging demand.

Goldman Sachs frames the crisis simply: “AI’s insatiable power demand is outpacing the grid’s decade-long development cycles, creating a critical bottleneck.”

Meanwhile, David Fishman, a Chinese electricity expert who has spent years tracking their energy development, told Fortune that in China, electricity isn’t even a question. On average, China adds more electricity demand than the entire annual consumption of Germany, every single year. Whole rural provinces are blanketed in rooftop solar, with one province matching the entirety of India’s electricity supply.

China has an oversupply of electricty.

China’s quiet electricity dominance, Fishman explained, is the result of decades of deliberate overbuilding and investment in every layer of the power sector, from generation to transmission to next-generation nuclear.

The country’s reserve margin has never dipped below 80%–100% nationwide, meaning it has consistently maintained at least twice the capacity it needs, Fishman said. They have so much available space that instead of seeing AI data centers as a threat to grid stability, China treats them as a convenient way to “soak up oversupply,” he added.

That level of cushion is unthinkable in the United States, where regional grids typically operate with a 15% reserve margin and sometimes less.
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Anonymous ID: Ga8HX3P7United States
8/15/2025, 9:03:53 PM No.513132246
>>513131192 (OP)
Yeah, but what if sand gets in those panels? Bet those china scientists never thought of that! Haha. I'm so smart.
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Anonymous ID: iY82BuIJ
8/15/2025, 9:08:49 PM No.513132695
>>513131192 (OP)
This might be what saves America's remaining coal plants that were previously threatened by cheap gas
Anonymous ID: xYrGoDEAPoland
8/15/2025, 9:23:58 PM No.513134382
>>513131192 (OP)
Anyone else feeling like this solar shit's cooking the planet? It turns vast areas that naturally absorb very little heat and reflect most of the sunlight into frying pans constantly radiating heat into the air.
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Anonymous ID: qXFvWtnrUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:28:56 PM No.513134887
>>513134382
Probably, and it's why we need to get into secondary energy processes. Some heatsinks and condensers and radiators and shit and you have a cooling system for...some dystopian brain cooker
Anonymous ID: ra9vCPU3
8/15/2025, 9:31:38 PM No.513135176
अंग्रेजी अनुवादित संस्करण 2
Reminder.
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Anonymous ID: F3aj/5knBrazil
8/15/2025, 9:31:52 PM No.513135209
>>513132246
What if some jeets smear some poo in it?

China is done for.
Anonymous ID: F3aj/5knBrazil
8/15/2025, 9:32:45 PM No.513135284
>>513135176
Oh noes.

Not the website poos get their h1b visas
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Anonymous ID: p/sXACefUnited Kingdom
8/15/2025, 9:34:12 PM No.513135408
>>513135176
>hindi script
the black death on your mother sar
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Anonymous ID: ra9vCPU3
8/15/2025, 9:34:24 PM No.513135423
>>513135284
You are literally a monkey. Your economy is irrelevant compared to India. Indian economy makes Brazil look like a joke.
Anonymous ID: p/sXACefUnited Kingdom
8/15/2025, 9:35:20 PM No.513135529
>>513134382
They measurably warm local areas by 1-4°C compared to surrounding desert, creating a photovoltaic heat island effect, particularly at night. However, some observations show local cooling of up to 0.5°C in land surface temperature due to shading and reduced evaporation.
At current scales in China, covering about 20,000 km2 with over 1,000 GW of capacity, they do not measurably warm the planet, as the global temperature impact remains below 0.002°C and is outweighed by reduced emissions from displaced fossil fuels.
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Anonymous ID: rkO3JXWtHungary
8/15/2025, 9:36:19 PM No.513135608
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>>513135176
lol of course the anti china memeflag spammer is a jeet
Anonymous ID: oo+Xt/L0United States
8/15/2025, 9:36:36 PM No.513135640
>british flags posting entropy technology propaganda articles for chinks

vpn or British fighter pilot.
Anonymous ID: Z4jH/5k9United States
8/15/2025, 9:36:41 PM No.513135648
>>513131192 (OP)
>China
xShe is dead and chyna is irrelevant since they released a bioweapon on humanity, no one but turd worlders want their poison products retard op.
Anonymous ID: Mm4wqXrLUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:37:01 PM No.513135687
>>513134382

Yes but your reasoning is wrong.

The creation of solar panels involves the use of gases that are thousands of times stronger than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

The strict regulations on production are why China is a leader. The reality though is that China is just polluting.

This is the secret with solar panels. The impact occurs at production and disposal so consumers can believe it is green. It's harder for them to ignore the impact they have when they smell gasoline burning.
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Anonymous ID: ra9vCPU3
8/15/2025, 9:37:25 PM No.513135721
CHINKS BTFO
CHINKS BTFO
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>>513135408
shut up chink
>>513135529
see I knew you were a chink. You're defending china's useless ching chong temu solar project. Go FUCK youself you stupid slant eyed fuck.

china will never outpace India anyways. PIC. REL.
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Anonymous ID: Mm4wqXrLUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:39:20 PM No.513135910
>>513135529
>>513135687

>global temperature impact remains below 0.002°C and is outweighed by reduced emissions from displaced fossil fuels.

See what I mean? This is where science is retarded and doesn't factor in China pollution when creating panels. They use an optimal model based on western manufacturing.

It's the same way nuclear energy is treated. In an ideal world, with no corner cutting, blah blah blah, totally safe. Meanwhile back in the real world Fukushima is still polluting the ocean and the latest estimate for even starting reactor clean up is 2037 now.
Anonymous ID: ra9vCPU3
8/15/2025, 9:39:20 PM No.513135912
india mog china
india mog china
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>Largest solar park array
>Is in India
GET FUCKING MOGGED BY INDIA YOU STUPID CHINKS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Sage ID: +9PkMyQ5United States
8/15/2025, 9:39:44 PM No.513135946
>>513131192 (OP)
Big infrastructure is the way chinese style organization shines
Anonymous ID: cXAYeq7JGuatemala
8/15/2025, 9:41:54 PM No.513136170
>>513134382
>cooking the planet
The same RAYS that are being captured by the panels would have struck the earth's soil or water, and thus been absorbed.

So, NO.
Anonymous ID: tmLCFQtUUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:42:15 PM No.513136203
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>>513131192 (OP)
Don't worry we'll be at war with China in a couple years because rich people want to kill more poor people for their quotas and that means byebye power grids.
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Anonymous ID: rkO3JXWtHungary
8/15/2025, 9:43:20 PM No.513136309
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>>513135721
>>513135912
uh oh stinky
Anonymous ID: p/sXACefUnited Kingdom
8/15/2025, 9:43:44 PM No.513136346
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>>513135721
Ranjeet, Brazil is ahead of you lmfao
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Anonymous ID: rkO3JXWtHungary
8/15/2025, 9:44:05 PM No.513136387
>>513136203
u won't do shit mutt
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Anonymous ID: agwk0UedUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:44:30 PM No.513136424
wash
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>>513132246
You're right! How can they ever get enough water in the desert to clean them?
Anonymous ID: icWVd9OeGermany
8/15/2025, 9:45:55 PM No.513136565
>>513135912
Like clockwork
Anonymous ID: tmLCFQtUUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:47:53 PM No.513136761
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>>513136387
Where's your AR-15?
Anonymous ID: ywIS1yNZ
8/15/2025, 9:47:55 PM No.513136764
>>513135176
lol kill yourself indian
Anonymous ID: ywd67ZIpUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:48:40 PM No.513136847
>>513136387
who asked you shitskin
JOBS.NOW IS A CHINESE VIRUS ID: ra9vCPU3
8/15/2025, 9:52:50 PM No.513137263
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>>513136346
>Literally posting chink propaganda to make china look good
KILL YOURSELF CHINK YOU FUCK
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JOBS.NOW IS A CHINESE VIRUS ID: ra9vCPU3
8/15/2025, 9:53:29 PM No.513137321
Fuck china. DEATH TO THE CCP.
JOBS.NOW IS A CHINESE VIRUS THEY ARE INSTALLING CHINESE VIRUS ONTO YOUR PC
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Anonymous ID: ywIS1yNZ
8/15/2025, 9:54:19 PM No.513137421
>>513137321
indians are filth.
Anonymous ID: IUQvRNEkUnited States
8/15/2025, 9:55:28 PM No.513137557
Renaissance10
Renaissance10
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Solar panels reflect radio waves thst cause people to become gay and/or pedophiles.
Anonymous ID: iY82BuIJ
8/15/2025, 10:09:37 PM No.513138918
>>513135721
>2,245MW
>largest solar park in the world
You shouldn't trust AI so much

>World's biggest solar farm comes online in China's Xinjiang
>The 3.5-gigawatt (GW), 32,947-acre solar farm, in a desert area of the capital Urumqi, came online on Monday
>The two largest operational solar facilities previously were also in western China - Longyuan Power Group's Ningxia Tenggeli desert solar project and China Lüfa Qinghai New Energy's Golmud Wutumeiren solar complex, both with a capacity of 3GW, according to the Global Energy Monitor's solar power tracker.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/worlds-biggest-solar-farm-comes-online-chinas-xinjiang-2024-06-03/
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Anonymous ID: 7qV0xldtUnited States
8/15/2025, 10:12:50 PM No.513139230
>>513138918
Satire aside where the real gains are is turning every home into it's own solar power plant. I am doing it now using batteries.
Anonymous ID: 8wgIZzj7United States
8/15/2025, 10:42:59 PM No.513141871
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>>513137263
SAAR
Anonymous ID: ee7tr5CRUnited States
8/15/2025, 10:59:53 PM No.513143380
misinfo1
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>>513131192 (OP)
>fake news