Why do you believe men walked on the moon, anon?

The math works out

>>513486937 (OP)
Moon landing deniers are genuinely retarded

>>513486987
Ignoring that you obviously have not done the math, do you think all of theoretical physics, including the conflicting theories, are correct?

>>513487061
How come?

You didn’t answer the question, btw. Do you not have a reason for believing?

My ghost friend said no man has ever walked on the moon, I believe my ghost frend, she don't bullshit about things like that.

>>513486937 (OP)

>>513487061
No one walked on the moon. Do you know how crazy you sound? American’s needed a morale boost because the Vietnam War was being lost on all fronts.

No lol

Other countries have independently taken photos of the landing site

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

>>513486937 (OP)
Who did they left on the moon to film that. Please tell me it was a nigger so i don't feel sad.

>>513487237
The reason you believe men walked on the moon is “no lol”?

>>513487249
So you believe men walked on the moon because of pictures from other countries?

Do you believe hobbits threw a magic ring into a volcano as well?

>>513487249
Um… I’m curious if you actually looked at your article you posted.

Pic related is the very first piece of evidence… it is an acknowledged CGI image…

What item from this article do you find most compelling?

>>513486937 (OP)
What is annoying isn't that enemies of the west keep trying to destabilize governments by creating distrust. It is annoying that Pol users seem completely unaware of why bots post threads like this.

>pics or it didn't happen
used to mean something on this site

>>513487529
So am I understanding correctly you do NOT have a reason to believe men walked on the moon?

>>513487347
>In October–November 1977, the Soviet radio telescope RATAN-600 observed all five transmitters of ALSEP scientific packages placed on the Moon surface by all Apollo landing missions excluding Apollo 11. Their selenographic coordinates and the transmitter power outputs (20 W) were in agreement with the NASA reports
So during the Cold War, our biggest enemy confirmed our moon landing “hoax”. Makes sense.

>>513487576
Do pictures mean something did happen?

>>513486937 (OP)
how far you germans have fallen from your grandfathers who made it happen

>>513487635
You really should lurk two years before posting.
The USSR and America were not enemies, rivals or neutral, they were allies. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it is publicly acknowledged by both governments.

US tax dollars were spent growing and transporting US food to the soviets so they would not collapse. Feeding your starving enemies is not how you win a Cold War.
Then there is their well-documented partnership in rocketry and aerospace, as well as sharing of information that would aid in delivering a nuclear payload to each other.

Again, something one does not do with enemies.

>>513487751
I notice you have not provided a reason why you believe men walked on the moon.

Do you believe it without reason?

>>513487347
What is your requirement for changing your mind, well poisoning kike anon?
Taking you to the moon in person to see the lunar module still sitting there?

>People still ironically believing in the fake moon landing conspiracy
Just doesn't get the same buzz at it used too.

Operation Avalanche (2016)

>>513486937 (OP)
it's better than believing everything and everyone is connected like a thread of rotting retards

>>513487282
gay off shit fag

>>513486937 (OP)
I believe Whites walked on the moon.

>>513486937 (OP)
I do believe White men walked on the moon, yes. Especially given, and yes I will say it... germany rocketry programme beginning in 1930s.

>>513488091
I guess that could work. I don’t really want to go to the moon though.
Interesting that you desire to change my mind, but won’t answer the question that actually could change my mind.

Anyways, why do you believe men walked on the moon?

>>513488361
What an odd thing to say. How would men not walking on the moon mean everything and everyone is connected?

>>513488366
Is the reason you believe men walked on the moon “gay off shit fag”?
Or do you just not have a reason?

>>513488441
Doesn’t really answer the question, why do you believe that?

>>513488513
Okay, you believe men walked on the moon because of rockets in the 30s? Is that correct?

I think many Americans and by extension, people of the West want to claim the event as exceptionalism. A great leader saying, "we will do this" and then men working together to accomplish the impossible goal. The story is pretty incredible and I have no doubt if it was possible to accomplish they would have done it. Alas, it is not possible to land on the moon.

This gif is the ultimate debunk of the moon landing. This was the Apollo 17 December 1972 blastoff. We never returned to the moon, but we have this footage. A + B = C.

I trust German engineering.

>>513488830
What does that have to do with men walking on the moon?

>>513486937 (OP)
It bothers me when people use this shot to argue the moon landings were fake, like someone had to be there with a camera tracking the shuttle as it took off.
This shot apparently took multiple attempts over different moon landings. It was simply an electronically controlled camera that panned up on a timer.
First of all it is not complex and you can see it is much more robotic than a human camera operator. Second of all ignoring that it's simple and still took multiple tries makes it look like you either:
Didn't even bother to TRY and learn what was even CLAIMED actually happened here, which makes you look like a moron.
Are ignoring what is CLAIMED is actually going on here, which makes you look disingenuous.

>>513488820
Anon, it’s not like they say a camera with literal film was left on the moon. It was “live” broadcast, the film is not necessary.

>>513488918
So you think men walked on the moon because you are bothered by people who don’t believe it?

Is that a valid reason?

>>513486937 (OP)
what's so crazy about it

>>513489046
>israeli tripfag
Ignored

Stop replying to these threads

>>513489079
>i have no answer
alright anon

>>513489125
>he replied
Is being a lunatic a mental illness?

Go enjoy a woman hate thread, or a breed with nonwhites thread, or a thread about someone’s workday from TikTok.

>Believing astronauts went to the moon with that dogshit spacecraft comprised of literally paper thin walls were a wrong move would rip through the exterior but now this "tech" was somehow lost
>Having so much trust to your triple aluminum foil spacecraft that you risk the lives of 3 Americans on live broadcast
>Believing that capturing 14 photos every single minute of that mission was possible with 60s era cameras

>>513488986
I didn't say that, I chose my words very carefully - do I deny that NASA does some fiishy things? No. Do I dislike this particular point, because it ignores what is even being claimed? Yes.
You should be careful not to assume that anyone who doesn't go 100% in on every argument one "side" makes is totally opposed to that side, this applies to everything.
I'm undecided on the topic.

>>513489608
Well I asked a question and did the best with the response you gave. Sorry for not just assuming you didn’t answer the question.

Since you didn’t, would you like to try again?

Why do you believe men walked on the moon?

>>513489608
To add, speaking of being careful with assumptions, you hallucinated an entire backstory and debate for the image I posted.

>>513489669
Just a miscommunication then, I meant to respond to the pic, not the whole OP post.
As I said, I'm undecided on the topic.
>>513489721
Again, I was careful not to accuse YOU of making any claims and kept it general because I wasn't sure if you just posted it because it is related to the moonlanding or if you were using it in the way it's often used here. Honestly I see this webm posted all the time as some kind of *gotcha* and I am just tired of it.

>>513489884
>>513488918
> Didn't even bother to TRY and learn what was even CLAIMED actually happened here, which makes >>>you<<< look like a moron.
>Are ignoring what is CLAIMED is actually going on here, which makes >>>you<<< look disingenuous.

Please be more careful in the future, fren.

>>513490046
I was using "you" in the general sense, as in ">>when<< you take your dog to the park, you should pick up its poop".
The situational framing in this case being ">>when<< people use this shot to argue the moon landings were fake".
I meant to be careful, and if it came off as accusatory it was not intentional. I'm trying to clarify what I meant, not bait a discussion of semantics or a flame war, I think I said enough so I'll stop after this.

>>513488608
>Interesting that you desire to change my mind
your only goal is to prove yourself right, not find the truth.
have you ever wondered that you might be wrong?

>>513486937 (OP)
Because I'm a fully vaxxed triple boosted freedom loving China and Russia hating official narrative supporting chad

>>513487635
Did they confirm there were men on the Moon and how did they know

>>513490277
Just a recommendation, if you are being careful, would to use they or them instead of “you”.

No room for confusion.

>>513490335
Oh boy another schizophrenic mind reader. These threads seem to attract them.

I notice you still have not said why you believe men walked on the moon. Have you ever wondered that you might not even have a reason?

>>513490371
Um okay that’s pretty fucking based.
How do I delete a thread?

>>513490560
>notice you still have not said why you believe men walked on the moon
i have been down this rabbithole for years, and i started where you are.
eventually i learned enough to realize that it is definitely possible, and easier than faking it in the 60s.
i know i will never convince you and im not even going to try.
go play some kerbal space program and see how much you dont understand about space.
because i guarantee you that you dont know shit, and that's why you think its impossible.

>>513490910
I figured, you don’t even know why you believe it.

Many such cases. Sad.

>>513490910
Also lol
>go play some videogames
Just fucking lmao

>>513490984
yeah like im going to sit here and explain it to some disingenuous fag who clearly believes he is smarter than everyone else.
explain why you believe they didnt walk on the moon.
lmao
>>513491075
it's a video game that uses the same basic physics of our universe
it will teach you a massive amount about it.
but clearly you dont actually want to learn anything, typical well poisoning jew.

>>513491319
So many replies and you have dodged the question every single time. We both know you are just too embarrassed to say you don’t have a reason

>no seriously play this videogame frfr
Im fucking dying over here.
Tall me about this videogame, can I send a manned mission to Venus in it?

>>513491469
because the math works, like anon said in the first post.
i am not here to teach you retarded fucking niggers math.
go play kerbal space program, and you can learn about it.
or go fucking learn about it on paper i dont care, but you niggers dont know what you are talking about.

It's possible they walked, but never came back for sure in that Lego bricks toy model XD

>>513491469
>can I send a manned mission to Venus in it?
sure, why not.
its a different solar system than ours, a lot smaller which makes it better for a game, but there are mods that make it the same as our solar system and you can make a saturn v rocket and fly it to the moon if you want.

>>513491759
>The math works
Reminds me of another anon who didn’t answer this question, perhaps you can help:

Do you think all of theoretical physics, including the conflicting theories, are correct?
The math works out.

>>513486937 (OP)
I'm not brown or retarded.

>>513491971
Okay I can send a manned mission to Venus in your videogame.

Do you think men have walked on Venus? It’s in the videogame you suggested to prove men walked on the moon AND the math works out.

So do you believe men walked on Venus?

>>513492004
>turns out hes a vpn nigger too
yeah, checks out
>>513492004
yes they work out.
what conflicting theories
i dont believe you mentioned them, or i didnt see it

>>513492040
Same here! How do we delineate these situations? Apparently being not brown and not retarded is not the key.

>>513486937 (OP)
I don't.

Why would the moon landing be faked? Can any of you fags provide the insourmountable technological obstacle which would necessitate a fake? It is easily provable that humanity has put something into orbit, and from that point it is merely a question of payload capacity to get to the moon.

>>513492106
Like string theory vs classical physics. But I digress, we are already getting to the point of you respond to >>513492056

>>513492186
>he doesn’t have a reason

>>513488937

The camera panned and zoomed to follow the craft on liftoff. There was no way to automatically motion track an object unmanned in 1972.

Relaying a live signal 188k miles is laughable. They didn't set up a broadcast studio on the moon. To think they could develop the signal power to send video that far is just crazy.

>>513492346
I’m not sure why you would assume motion tracking was used when the camera was clearly not tracking the motion.

>>513486937 (OP)
they brought back space rocks

>>513492411
You mean like the one gifted to the Dutch? That turned out to be petrified wood?

Were you aware that none of the samples “retrieved” from the moon are unique to those discoverable on earth?

>>513486937 (OP)
Only idiots believe we walked on the moon.

>>513492405

The camera zooms back on ignition and then pans up to follow the craft keeping it in frame. That is not possible to do automatically.

>>513492511
Some smart people do too.
I believe you mean only foolish people believe.

>>513492120
No you are definitely retarded and probably brown. The world would be better off without your species.

>>513492548
Well alright you can believe what you want, but please stop shitting up my thread.

>>513492582
>irrationally angry I don’t trust the government
>wants to get rid of white people
Ah, shalom.

>>513486937 (OP)
More like sorta jumped/jogged around. Walking doesn't work very well there.
>also drove around in a car

>>513492056
>So do you believe men walked on Venus?
this is the kind of disingenuous shit i was talking about. its like those cunts on the news interviewing people "so you think HURRRR DURR"
you can send a manned mission there in the game, because its just a game.
like i said its basic physics.
it doesn't model the fact that you will be melted by sulfuric acid and heat.
it does model basic physics well enough to understand it though.
the point of playing the game is it will help you understand how much you do not understand about this stuff.
when you start to understand how it works, you will start to learn about why it would be easier to go there than to fake it in the 60's

>>513486937 (OP)
Nobody believes it under 30 once they hear facts. It's over.

>>513486937 (OP)
Moon landing denial is jewish propaganda and an attempt to force goyim to believe in the firmament

>>513492671
Anon, it is called a logical syllogism.

You offered a fucking videogame as proof for something happening in real life. I asked if you could do something that has not been done in real life, and you said yes.
So I mocked you.

This brings us back to square one, btw. A videogame or a math equation does not prove men walked on the moon.

So why do you believe?

>>513486937 (OP)
>>513487576
I don't understand why nobody has pointed out that there are no stars in "space" in these photos/videos. There should be no atmosphere to obscure them, so the lack of stars makes no sense and suggests the footage isn't genuine.

>>513492548
It was remote controlled

>>513486937 (OP)
It's a shame they didn't build a base there, like an international moon base or something

>>513492785
Because it is boring and dismissible. One side arguing from incredulity and the other side coping.

>>513492829
To do that they would have to send someone first.

>>513486937 (OP)
>Why do you believe?
be lie with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgivA2ENvY

https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1755618759966900.mp4

https://youtu.be/0FLJVJk8KPc

>>513492056
Why would it be impossible to send a manned mission to Venus? It would just be extremely unwise in that they would die, unless you make the habitat some sort of balloon, high up in the atmosphere, which MAY actually work.
>but how the fuck do they get back?

>>513492819
My favorite part about that is it was allegedly remote controlled, by a timer synced to liftoff, from earth…
Instead of, you know… from the LLM.
>but that would be extra weight!
So is a fucking camera.

>>513491971
Even if you play rss you can still do a manned mission to Venus, although it's definitely harder than stock ksp lol. The orbital mechanics are somewhat trivial, irl the biggest limitation has always been humans surviving. And not because of radiation either.

>>513492969
I am not sure if you are pretending to be retarded, but for the sake of argument let’s say it IS possible…
Does that mean it happened?

>>513492780
>You offered a fucking videogame as proof for something happening in real life
where did i do that?
i said it will teach you what you dont understand.
and you very clearly dont understand how its possible.
here, stare at this chart for a bit

>>513486987
>>513487061
Two bot comments directly off the bat, let that sink in

>>513492785
Plenty of retards have. The camera exposure wasn't setup to capture dim star light because the astronauts couldn't have imagined retards 50 years later would try to disprove the Moon landing.

>>513486937 (OP)
Holy shiet, let me believe isso n piece

>>513486937 (OP)
because they were better men than you will ever be

>>513493127
Sigh… here…
>>513490910
You even quoted what you were responding to… a reason why you believe men walked on the moon. You suggest I play a videogame.

If I misunderstood you, that means you STILL have not told me why you think men have walked on the moon. Which you really should have done after dozens of replies.

>>513493036
Do you think anybody actually cares they slightly fucked up their video recording on the first attempt? That basically happened all the time, and minor failures happen all the time in general, in space programs.
Why would they have failures in a simulation or shit they made up?

>>513488918
its not the camera trick that proved it's fake. Sure. I accept they could get that right electronically after a few tries. Its how fake it actually looks. If you think that launch looks real, then you aren't trustworthy in analyzing evidence.

>>513493222
Lots of people are.
Did they ALL go to the moon, or are you coping because you can’t think of a single reason?

>>513493293
No, I don’t think anyone cares at all.

>>513486937 (OP)
>Why do you believe men walked on the moon, anon?

Because it's a reflection of our larger Realm.

Who filmed the moon landing?

https://old.bitchute.com/video/SjECczlp2NcB/

>>513486937 (OP)
I don't believe anything ever happened.

>>513493307
> If you think that launch looks real, then you aren't trustworthy in analyzing evidence.
This is why I use the image. It’s just hilarious.

>>513493036
>Sure, the astronauts are in a critical, life or death situation during ascent, lets ask one of the to control the camera so we can witness them crash and burn
Please stop arguing in bad faith

>>513493099
I would like to say it 100% didn't happened but who knows, maybe the Soviets put a guy into those Venera probes?
Nixon sent a black project space plane to Venus (with ayylmao assistance)? I wouldn't know about that, especially if, predictably, it was destroyed and they died.
But I suggest you read about the Venera program.

>>513493139
I don't buy that for a second.

>>513486987
Government said so + I saw it on the television = reality

>>513486937 (OP)
The bigger question is why don't you believe when there are mountains of evidence. I know that you've done extensive research while shitting with your sail foam but so you really think that's enough? Before you were born competent men ran things in this country, not like now where faggots niggers and women occupy those spots

Our crater

>>513493139
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1755575615574775.webm

>>513493394
We are seeing a few optical effects with the moon. Reflection is just a fraction of the answer. The moon is a kidney bean and the sun is a dog. But then you have to consider the X-rays that show you Agartha

>>513486937 (OP)
It's really fucking fishy that NASA literally lost all of the original footage of the moon landing and only have copies since apparently NASA had to "tape over" the moon landing tapes to save money. There's also the fact that no country has successfully been able to replicate what American did 60 years ago despite us supposedly being so much more advanced. Like, I fully believe the USSR sent a probe to venus and that we've landed rovers on Mars but sending and retrieving men sent to the moon just doesn't make sense with the limitations of space travel.

>>513486937 (OP)
There's a reflective mirror they left that anyone with $150 (obviously not you) can confirm it exists.

>>513486937 (OP)
Does it matter? there is no intelligent life in the universe except humanity. In a thousand years space travel will be real but it will be machine operated that will spread humanity across the cosmos.

>>513493307
The sparks look weird, but how I would expect sparks to look in low grav, not in this webm but in higher quality versions.
I don't know how you would fake that at the time. I think the robotic camera movement also doesn't help, makes it look like a stop motion animation, but again looks how you would expect a robotic camera to look.
The acceleration also looks too fast - but again low grav. A lot of it is not going to be intuitive to you and me, we've lived our whole lives under different gravity conditions that we're built for.
The one thing I really don't like is the wobble, definitely makes it look like it's on a string.
I want to see a simulated recreation of what it would look like with the purported thrust and gravity conditions before I say it looks completely unrealistic.

>>513487635
Yes during the Kike performative Show War (cold? Nothing happened) when jews slowly gained background influence in USA and downright getting bippyboppaed and zoomiewoomied with the Soviet Union and now modern Russia
So yes they corroborate the NASA hebrew for to deceive NASA freemason org moon landing filmed on earth by stan kubrik.

>>513486937 (OP)
Because a lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth anon.

>>513493525
Nigga, you can take newtonian physics and produce results very similar to the actual mission parameters, even with some very rough estimates of masses and engine parameters.

>>513493705
Also moon orbiter mapping surface took multiple pictures of all landing sites complete with foot prints, tire tracks, and equipment left behind

>>513493279
>go play some kerbal space program and see how much you dont understand about space.
>because i guarantee you that you dont know shit, and that's why you think its impossible.
like i said in that post, you disingenuous jew, you dont understand how it even works, i did not say its evidence we landed on the moon, or even imply it.
i believe it because the math works, and therefore i am inclined to believe the massive amount of evidence that we did go, including them live streaming the missions, and on top of all of it, not a single country on earth claimed it didnt happen, including russia.
https://apolloinrealtime.org/
also compiled everything from apollo 11, 13 and 17, which you can go watch in real time
the "evidence" we didnt go is retarded at best.

>>513492934
Its been a long time since anyone last went however China did send a rover recently and other countries have sent orbiters, so the technology is certainly there to build something like that if we really wanted to, although it would be immensely costly

>>513493349
I gave you a reason, FAGGOT. now dont you have something better to do like starting another world war or are you tired of that after losing two of them? Nigger

Circumference of the south pole. 120,240kms

Because the White race, unencumbered, is able to do such great things.

>>513486937 (OP)
Yes. We weren't shown that event though.
What we saw was an absolutely staged event.
>"you know how many people would have to be in it, AND be expected to keep their mouths shut?"
They didn't keep their mouths shut though, did they? Otherwise there'd never have been an iota of conversation to the contrary.

Someone, somewhere, blabbed. Loose lips sink ships, and that's exactly why NASA is under such heavy scrutiny with the public.
>we "lost" the lunar landing data, that's why we haven't been back. What's a Van Allen radiation belt, lol?"
Yeah.

>>513493829
No they clearly faked it. The bastards even went so far as to build these fake flight computers to keep the lie going!!1!
https://youtu.be/2KSahAoOLdU

>>513493603
Its a giant planet sized x-ray microscope. No fucking joke.

Moon is eyepiece.
Atmosphere is light tube.
Sun is light source
Earth is stage reflect.
Atmosphere layer acts as X-ray filter

Moon phases are the optical effect in scopes know as kidney beaning. The possible explanation for the 24 hr sun is Sun Dogs.

Look at x-ray and look at moon. It is the same. The craters are the connected caverns of the inner earth. That moon reflects both layers showing more truth than we know.

>>513493697
Why would they even need tapes? It was transmitted by radio, which is the reason for that sub-VHS quality. NASA wasn't the only one who could record it. Also they took a fuckton of normal photos that you can look at.

>>513492819

2.5s delay for a signal to reach the moon. Not possible to remote control it.

>>513494146
F'n epic, thanks for the visual.

>>513494238
Uhhhh...how did they make all those lunar rovers work then?

>>513493896
I'm a U.S. liberal Democrat and I side with the German. Sorry leaf, you need Dave McGowan in your life.

>>513494146
>Its a giant planet sized x-ray microscope
>Moon is eyepiece
>kidney beaning
>Sun Dogs
>craters are the connected caverns of the inner earth

>>513494443
>translation im a huge nigger i side with the barbarian germ and nothing i say matters

Thats neat!

>>513494238
There are remote controlled rovers on the moon right now

>>513493499
So basically you believe the moon landing is real because you will believe anything, even if no one claims it is true or has no evidence?

>>513493480
Anon, the camera movement was allegedly automatic. No one on earth pushed a big red button, so no one in the module would either.

I don’t know why you guys say such dumb shit. You don’t HAVE to respond if you don’t know what you are talking about. Bad faith indeed.

>>513493529
Well I will be happy to answer the “bigger question” if you will prove we are having a discussion by answering the first question
>you won’t
Weird!


>>513493707
>who cares, I can just imagine shit
Not sure if based or not.

>>513493792
Wrong x1000

>>513493880
Okay great, then we are, like I just said, back at square one:
Why do you think men walked on the moon?

>>513493883
No one ever went, anon.

>>513493972
>They faked everything but also it was real
I will never understand you weirdos.

Kubrick filmed it.

>>513493583
>you can see stars
No shit, but can you get a picture of them without adjusting your camera's exposure time for them?

>>513494683
>Anon, the camera movement was allegedly automatic
Idk who told you that, but there really was simply a guy on earth who had to control it and cope with the signal delay. Why would it be automatic? Theres no way for them to know where the rover would be positioned relative to the LEM, thus no way to program it.

>>513494863
Did you watch the whole webm, retard

>>513495034
You're expecting moonlanding deniers to have a shred of sense

>>513495104
I would expect moon landing supporters to have a shred of reason for their belief.

Why do you believe men walked on the moon, anon?

>>513494238
What are you talking about? That's a negligible time difference.

>>513495191
You're mentally ill, you would never understand.

>>513495229
You could still be the first person in the thread to actually provide a reason for their belief.

As it stands, any poor susceptible lurkers just see lunatics comic and unable to even state why they believe what they believe.

You could be the hero who fixes that by simply stating why you believe in the moon landing.
>you won’t
Because
>you can’t

>>513495196
Lmao try playing a video game with a 2.5 sec delay

>>513494724
ok lets start with the rocket.
the saturn v has around 16,200 m/s of delta v
it requires around 12-16 km/s to get to the moon and back
therefore it is possible for the saturn v to send men to the moon.
do the math yourself on it if you dont believe it.
shal i continue?
I could get much more specific, but again you dont even understand what im talking about, so its like explaining how to drive to a bug.

The moon is not that far away. It is not that hard to do with 20th century technology.

>>513495322
I used to play StarCraft with worse, zoomer.

>>513494683
No? I believe the moon landing is real because it's extremely well documented and nobody can raise any valid concerns about its reality. I have yet to see a single argument that would make anybody doubt the moon landing.
I also believe it's real because I could do it too (with some help and 28 billion 1960s dollars).

>>513495324
Yes you should absolutely continue.
What does your response have to do with why you believe men walked on the moon?

>>513495341
Yet it's impossible with the 21st century tech

>>513495414
The Holocaust is really well documented.
Do you believe the Holocaust happened?

>>513486937 (OP)
Yes. I believe WHITE men and ONLY white men walked on the moon.

>>513494970

big if true

>>513495506
It’s not a yes or no question anon.

Do you think illiterate people are good at discerning fact from fiction?

>>513495191
As you have been asking a lot of questions, it is only fair for you to answer one. At what point in the space race did one or both participants start faking things? The first satellite,? The first Man in Space? The first Moon Landing?

>>513486937 (OP)
I believe in the real sacrifice of a lot of americans and communist that died exploding in those rockets just for the scientist to get the right maths to make those trips possible.
And I mean, a lot of men exploded, betcha commie numbers are in the hundreds only, but nobody will know.

>>513495673
I would be happy to answer questions, if you can prove you are here for an actual discussion by answering the question I have already asked.

If you won’t answer my question, why should I answer yours?

So please, tell me why you believe men walked on the moon.

>>513495402
Try a simulation, pinhead

>>513495698
So you believe men walked on the moon because there were a lot of failures in the space program?

Can you walk me through that logic?

>>513486937 (OP)
r.e.m wrote a song about it

>>513495558
Watch, The Shining.
https://entertainment.ie/movies/movie-news/stanley-kubrick-moon-landing-conspiracy-theory-410212/

>>513495481
I think it's a bit of an insult to claim the Nazis didn't mass murder any jews - of course they did - it was pretty high on their agenda to get rid of jews and they had a lot of fun (sometimes).
But the moon landing is much better-documented than the Holocausters and masturbation machines and such.
https://apolloinrealtime.org/
is a great ressource, especially if you want to get a feel of how it really went down.

>>513495745
>If you won’t answer my question, why should I answer yours?
You're such a pathetic little faggot. You've been doing this goalpost-moving timewasting spiel for years. Subhumans like you unironically should be removed from society.

>>513495758
They generally aren’t online games.
You are seething almost as much as the lunatics.

>>513495791
Good enough for me, /thread

>>513495819
Wait, so you DON’T believe the Holocaust happened, or you do?

>>513495745
I have done so multiple times, so i must now assume that this thread is nothing but ragebait. Always fun witnessing the lunacy though.

>>513495438
>What does your response have to do with why you believe men walked on the moon?
because for someone to believe it happened, they first need to believe its possible at all.
do you agree that it is possible to send a the lander itself to the moon and back

>>513495464
Its not impossible. We dont have the same drive to get there as we did in the 60s. We aren't in a space race with a rival nuclear superpower. NASA's budget is a fraction of what it was back then. All of the German scientists have died and now we have DEI hires in NASA. Trump doesn't care that much about space exploration. Kennedy made it a mission to get to the Moon by the end of the decade.

>>513495571
>It’s not a yes or no question
I am a WHITE man. I will answer your questions in any manner I see fit. You should be honored I responded to you at all. I see by your German flag you are obviously a mudslime or an african. Be proud! You interacted with a WHITE man today! Tell your children. They will envy your good luck!

>>513495842
My question is literally in the OP.
The fact that not a single person can answer it is alarming, despite the fact that they will post over and over again.

Maybe you should try:
Why do you believe men walked on the moon
>you won’t answer because the answer embarrasses you.

>>513495855
>They generally aren’t online games.
Kek you are dumb af
What's that got to do with anything
Try a flying or driving simulation with a 2.5 sec lag and tell me how negligible it is

>>513495978
You forgot
>We lost the technology
That's the only reason
But the technology was never there

>>513495954
Well I’m sorry, could you please link me to you answering the question (one time or many times) so that I can read it and respond?

>>513496050
>what does a game being online have to do with lag?
Kek, total zoomer death.

What are the chances OP believes in God? kek

>>513487061
Jokes on you.
I was only pretending to be retarded.
Lol you got pranked bro

>>513494724
The events that occurred in the mid 1940's that took key members of global leadership, the pope, as well as a few Rothschild if I'm not mistaken, to the moon for a "galactic debrief" of sorts.

Basically the Greys let us know we ain't shit, and that if we spread to the stars they'd destroy us. Enter the nuclear age, and the development of HARRP, add a television broadcasted "space-race" (which the Greys are always monitoring, via the moon, which is a literal spy satellite for the Greys) as a middle finger to our extraterrestrial overlords, and a very human "Unga Bunga!" warcry to the Greys, of "Fuck Around and land, we'll clap your cheeks and Jack your whip" which is a pretty accurate summary of the activities in area 51

Make sense?

>>513496131
What are the chances you thought for a while to come up with a reason why you believe the moon landing, then just got angry at religion?

Here let’s play a game:
I do believe in God, I believe based on faith.

Do you believe in the moon landings based on faith, or evidence?

>>513496119
>But I didn't skip my breakfast
Retard
The point is if you played a simulation and had a 2.5 sec control lag you wouldn't call it "negligible"

>>513496171
Oh no you are confused. I definitely do not care.

>>513496165
Kek, lunatics take another L

These are the same people who take the vaccine at the expense of their lives, I don't they are beatable.
It's a cucked world.

>>513486937 (OP)

>>513496299
True, only vaxxies believe in the moon landing.

>>513486937 (OP)
I dont. So far no proof has been presented otherwise. If Soviet Union wanted to discredet the Americans they could simply show proof that they havent.

>>513496226
I believe in God too, based on faith and little to no strong evidence.
Which makes it silly to deny something like the moon landing which has significantly more evidence. I wasn't there in 1969 so obviously I can't say for 100% certain, but it seems more likely than not to have happened.

At least moon landing deniers are slightly saner than nuclear bomb deniers

>>513496517
>significantly more evidence
May I see it?

Please present what you find to be compelling evidence that men walked on the moon.

>>513496501
Your answer makes no sense. You don’t believe in the moon landing but think it’s real because the soviets didn’t betray the American government?

>>513496600
I'm very sure you have already seen everything that moon landing supporters have put forth for evidence and have already made up your mind about them. It's fine, we both can draw different conclusions from the same information.

>>513486937 (OP)
Because Im a dick suck leftists who believes everything authorities say to me.

>>513496815
So you don’t have ANY evidence men walked on the moon?

A definite pattern is emerging.

>>513496932
Pretty based NGL

>>513497040
I guarantee anything I consider evidence would simply get a 'lol lmao' as a response, so I'm not going to waste my time finding images or writing a long paragraph.
Anon, do you believe nuclear bombs exist? Many moon landing deniers I've talked to also deny the existence of nuclear weapons for similar reasons.

>>513497306
>im not going to waste my time
You are wasting a lot of time, anon. You can cope all you want but you don’t even have a reason for what you believe.

It’s fine if you want to believe in the moon landings on faith, I just find that tremendously silly considering the government has literally never told you the truth about anything.

>>513496815
You can trace his posts on 4plebs and see he's been following the same playbook for years
>"give me proof :)"
>people provide footage, documentation, whatever
>he ignores whatever you post
>"so you trust the government :)"
Repeat ad infinitum

It's the same clique of mentally ill flat earthers who always post in these threads as well. It's hard to imagine it's not a coordinated discord tranny effort.

>>513487071
>all of theoretical physics, including the conflicting theories, are correct?
What does that have to do whit the moon landing?

>>513497565
>can’t come up with a reason for why you believe in the moon landing
>decide to research my leddit history instead
Big fucking win, my dude.

>>513486937 (OP)
prove that they didn't? kek

>>513492637
You aren't white.

>>513497586
I’m not sure why you need this explained to you, but I am going to answer your question in good faith, despite the fact you have not answered mine. Consider this a learning moment.

>I ask why someone believes in the moon landing
>anon says the math works out
>I ask if he believes conflicting theories simultaneously, because the math works out
>he abandons thread

You see, if the math working out is sufficient reason for belief. This would extend to other situations where the math works out. This leads to paradoxes, where you believe two things that can not simultaneously be true.

Now that you see how answering questions work, it is your turn:
Why do you believe men walked on the moon?

>>513497767
>can’t come up with a single reason why he believes in the moon landing
>decides to ask me to prove a negative instead

Not the brightest, are you?

>>513497779
Do you believe you have psychic powers, anon?

Because government doesn't have the superpower to sweep everything under the rug. Conspiracy people always think the people in charge are so coordinated that they can pull shit off.

>>513497501
Why do you believe in anything, anon? Unless you see it with your own eyes, it could be some Jewish matrix lies. How could I be sure your shithole country even exists? I've never been there. I just trust that the (((world map))) is real. For all I know, everyone from Germany is just a glownigger working to trick people into thinking Germany exists. It's not like you have any evidence Germany actually exists!

>>513497893
I will answer your question as an illustration of how discussion works in the fruitless hope that you will finally answer a question yourself:
Reason, evidence, faith. These are the avenues to belief.

Do you believe men walked on the moon based on reason, evidence, or faith?

>>513497885
How did they keep the manhattan project secret, anon?

>>513486937 (OP)
Yes, it was done by the white man.

>>513497827
>I ask if he believes conflicting theories simultaneously, because the math works out
>anon asks what conflicting theories
>he answers "Like string theory vs classical physics"
>expects any answer to that
ill ask in good faith-
what about string theory makes the moon landing impossible?

>>513498182
Not a yes or no question.
Why are lunatics so illiterate?

>>513498185
First off, I already answered that in the quote you are responding to.
Second off, if I had not already answered, I would not answer it now, because you have proven you are NOT here in good faith. I can break that down for you too:
>I ask a question
>you ignore the question and ask your own
>I answer that question explaining this is how discussions work with grownups, and that I expect you to put on your big boy pants and answer my question as well
>you ignore the question and ask your own, already answered, question

This is about as bad faith as it gets. If you would like to continue, answer my question:

Why do you believe men walked on the moon?

>>513486937 (OP)
German Nazi engineers made this possible.

>>513497885
There are plenty of real conspiracies that can be proven with facts. The Moon landing is real. Shills and useful idiots push this and flat Earth to discredit the real conspiracies. It's stupid to believe in every single conspiracy, and it's equally stupid to think all conspiracies are wrong.

>>513498094
It wasn't, the soviet's knew because of spies and newspapers in the Hanford area were speculating about it being a government project as the facilities were being built.

Moreso, why do you believe the Manhattan project even happened? Because the government told you it did?

>>513498399
> The Moon landing is real
Can you prove that with facts?

NASA shills are overworked these days. They haven't manage to make proper AI chatbots to offset the workload, have some compassion.

>>513498384
i have answered your stupid question already but you just ask it again like a retard.
what part of string theory conflicts with the moon landing?
you did not answer that in what i replied to lmao

>>513498407
>there may be a government project occurring
This is not the same as knowing what they were doing.
Area 51 is a government project, that doesn’t mean aliens are there or that anyone who is not in the program knows.

I’m willing to concede the manhattan project did not occur if we can use the same reasoning for the moon landing.

Do you believe the moon landing happened because the government told you so?

>>513498583
I must have missed your answer. I won’t make you type it again, just backlink the post so I can read it and respond.

As a bonus, I will explain even slower how I already answered that question; but first I have to see your answer to my question.

>>513486937 (OP)
Nothing to see:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090716/

The best:
>but newly restored copies of the original broadcast look even better
Woohhoo

>that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.
To save money. Of course. Billions for the Apollo missions, but not enough to store one of the the most important tapes in the history of mankind.

>>513498578
What is wrong with this video?

>>513486937 (OP)
it wasn't real grow up retards. take your boosters you vaxbrained retards

How can you deny this?

>>513497883
>52 posts by this id
It's obvious moshe.

>>513498711
What is wrong with your head is a more proper question. Probably a lot.

>>513498763
Help me out anon, after how many posts in a thread does someone become nonwhite?

>>513498807
Not an argument faggot. You can't even point out what's supposed to be fake.

>>513498627
>I’m willing to concede the manhattan project did not occur if we can use the same reasoning for the moon landing.

This is silly. If your government announced a new highway, would you deny it's existence just because the government was the one telling you?

I think there are many great insights that come from declassified government documents like the gateway documents regarding remote viewing. Dismissing them just because muh gubbermint wrote them is not intellectual rigor.
The documentation that the government has provided is good evidence for both the existence of the Manhattan project and the moon landing, yes.

>>513486937 (OP)
Indont believe anyting
>>513486987
The meth does, too
https://youtu.be/a4eav7dFvc8?si=Qh1DX-vkrZhvvHZ5

>>513487061
>Moon landing deniers are genuinely retarded

Doubly so considering all evidence visible. LEM bases, rover, other gear.

>>513498697
here-
>>513493880
and your response is LICHURALLY asking the same question again LMAO fuck you man. -
>>513494724
hahha unreal
what part of string theory makes the moon landings impossible?

>>513498812
It's not the quantity, moshe. It's the quality.

>>513498892
kek,

You don't notice the speed Anon?

>>513497827
Because there is no reason not to really the moon landing is not a theory

>>513498892
Kinda hard to do when you are dealing with blind people.

>>513498902
Anon, I’m afraid you are going to have to answer at least ONE of my questions before I continue answering yours. I’ve already shown you by example how discussion works by answering your question, despite the fact you refuse to answer mine to prove you are here for a good faith discussion:

Do you believe the moon landing happened because the government told you so?

>>513498943
Hardly better resolution than what you can get with amateur equipment.

>>513492785
if you had ever used film to take photographs you would understand exposure times. as you haven't you are left with the argument from incredulity.

simply put - the moon is very bright, the stars are very dim. the cameras were optimized for taking pictures of the lunar surface because they could take pictures of the stars already from earth.

you could intuit this on earth because you can't see the stars during the day.

>>513499051
I answered that question already. The government's documentation of the project is good, but not the only, evidence that it happened.

>>513498973
Why would a sped up video disprove it?

>>513499007
You have nothing retard

>>513487061
It's anti-White to deny the moon landing

>>513486937 (OP)
>Donald Trump was the first American on the moon, but he didn’t walk, he rode a bike
I do believe this.

>>513499207
Kubrick slowed the video down to give the illusion of weightlessness.

>>513499148
Ah yes the good ol' camera exposure schtick. Never once did they consider it worthwhile to take photos of stars.. just a coincidence of course I am sure.
The more you study shill behavior in this subject the more familiar you get with their "arguments" and realize that they are all operating from the same "debunking" textbook.

>>513487218

That’s an interesting theory. I’ve never heard this. But thinking about it now the motive is very interesting and troubling. I can point out so many flaws in the moon landing story but I really can’t answer why. I can answer why they continue to lie and that’s tax purposes which I guess maybe that’s the answer here. Maybe they were running out of ‘defense’ money and used all the NASA money. And then pulled the moon landing bullshit to keep the 60’s goyim from asking questions.

But like I said I’ve never heard this theory. Most say it was for morale against the ‘cold war’. Which always leads to ‘why didn’t Russia or other countries call them out?’ And the only answer to that is the USSR had high Jewish influence pumping in money to the top to keep their mouths shut and let the Americans run with it.

>>513499294
>Never once did they consider it worthwhile to take photos of stars.. just a coincidence of course I am sure.
Nigga you can take a picture of the very same stars from earth

>>513499270
>weightlessness
density/buoyancy..

>>513499270
Or maybe that's really what it looks when you move around in 1/6 Earth's gravity.

>>513499389
No, it's all fake Freemason Science.

>>513499207
>You have nothing retard
I have embarrassing footage that NASA and the likes from the søyence crowd prefer to not show the younger audience who are intimately familiar with deceptive practices having grown up with social media. A boomer might look at these videos and think nothing of it, but rest assured mister shill that they younger audience can smell it from afar.

>>513499327
>I can point out so many flaws in the moon landing story
Name just one

>>513499270
in your sped up video people move unrealistically fast

>>513487576

>the flag

Must have been a windy day on the moon.

>>513486937 (OP)
trajectory looks like its pulled by a string

>>513499294
go outside tonight, turn on your porch light and take a picture of the stars with the lit ground in view.

>>513499428
Schizo drivel

>>513499429
Yet you cant actually say what is fake about it.

>>513486937 (OP)
Why, cause when Russia put Sputnik in orbit, we were watching, and everyone freaked the fuck out that a Commie orb was flying overhead. We didn’t call bullshit cause it in fact happened.When we went to the moon, Russia was watching, if they thought for a second we were faking it they would have called Us out immediately.

>>513499474
There were poles in the flag so it could stand up in the flying position.

>>513498902
>>513499051
At least I wouldn't be optimistic that, in Germany, that announced highway actually gets finished within the next 3 decades, so that's a bad example.

>>513498481
There's literal footprints on the moon? And other shit they left laying around.

Remember this whenever you see a dutch fag promoting the official narrative.

>>513487883
lol so you're saying it was all a show, right? Then you can't do anything. It's impossible to overthrow an organization that wields enormous global control. Don't think too hard about it, just live.

>>513493880
We already did these anon, but we can do them again. I’ll try to simplify it for you so you can understand my point; that this is not evidence:
>play videogames .
You said you could send a manned mission to Venus in the game, so the game does not prove men walked on the moon (unless you would like to claim men have walked on Venus)
It’s not evidence, it is a videogame. Being able to do things in a videogame does not mean they happened in real life.

>the math works
The math also works in contradictory theoretical physics. they may both be wrong, but at max only one can be right. They can’t both be right at the same time.
It’s not evidence, it’s math. The math was done BEFORE the Apollo missions, and it all checked out. It is unlikely you believe mine walked on the moon before the Apollo missions, but the math checked out anyways. The math can’t prove men walked on the moon.

>livestreaming
Not sure if I addressed this with you specifically, but there is also video of space aliens over major cities. I don’t think you believe those are real (or let’s say, an episode of star trek), so video evidence would presumably be by your own metrics insufficient.

>russia
Again not sure if directed at you, but addressed in this thread.
The Cold War was a meme, it’s publicly acknowledged now that we were providing material support for the USSR, and that their space agencies were cooperating. No one cooperates with their opponents in a race; and definitely no one gives material support to an enemy nation that threatens them with nuclear destruction.


These things are not evidence, they are of similar quality to this “evidence” Santa exists:
>I played a videogame with Santa in it
>I did some math and found out how many houses per second Santa visits
>here is news broadcast talking about NORAD spotting Santa’s sleigh
>russia would have told me if Santa was fake

There is no chance you would consider any of these things evidence for Santa Claus.

>>513499527
Yes. I know how camera exposure works. I know, but you see the sky is pitch black in all the photos and videos and that is not due to some fictional atmospheric reason, but rather the black backdrop used in the cheap movie set, fag.

>>513499436

It’s impossible for humans to survive going through the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

No other white or Asian country has ever been there.

EVERY U.S. president after Nixon said we’d go back even Bush, Obama, Biden and Trump but we’ve never attempted. Nobody has attempted.

NASA claims they ‘threw away the technology’ and the routes used in the other ‘moon landings’.

You’re a low IQ tranny faggot.

>>513499554
Cameras wouldn't work on the moon.

>>513499554
Exit the Matrix Anon.

>>513499163
Help me out here I am really slow: which of these reflects your opinion:
>I believe the moon landings happened because the government said so
>I have another reason besides the government saying so

If the latter, maybe you should have started with that.

>>513499587
I just want to be very clear:

You believe men walked on the moon because the Russians launched a probe?

>>513499636
> There's literal footprints on the moon? And other shit they left laying around.
How do you know this?

>>513499977
You are terrible at your job.

>>513499815
They quickly passed through the thinnest parts of the belt. The Van Allen Belt doesn't instantly kill you.

>>513499702
I’m saying your governments are controlled by lying psychopaths who laugh at you while they steal your past, present, and future.

>>513499818
Not only do they not work due to 1 radiation and 2 film being extremely sensitive, but the idea that they had a small battery operated broadcast cameras that could pan, tilt, zoom and focus wirelessly from earth with minimal to no delay is enough to debunk the entire idea of space travel, but of course these people don't know when to stop. They will lie about creation until death for worldly gains. Let them have it I say.

>>513499815
>It’s impossible for humans to survive going through the Van Allen Radiation Belt.
Citation required
>No other white or Asian country has ever been there.
Because it's cheaper to send unmanned vehicles
>EVERY U.S. president after Nixon said we’d go back even Bush, Obama, Biden and Trump but we’ve never attempted. Nobody has attempted.
Politicians say a lot of shit
>NASA claims they ‘threw away the technology’
You don't understand the complexity behind the scenes of space operations
>and the routes used in the other ‘moon landings’.
Citation required

>>513499294
I have taken pictures with film cameras up to large format. Light is measured accurately and or the picture looks like shit. You choose film and lenses depending on what you are trying to capture.
They went to the moon to see the fucking moon. The camera, lens and film were specifically set up to take pictures of the surface.
You've never used a film camera to take anything and have no idea what you are talking about, the thing on your phone is only the same in concept.
To take a film picture of the stars on the moon would require a lengthy exposure, a different lens, different film and a tripod. Which they can already do on earth.
Now go and take picture of the stars at noon and tell me how you get on.

>>513498384
>Not a yes or no question.
The white man did it, thus, I believe it.

>>513500078
Not to mention that all those sensitive electronics would have to be housed in a vacuum proof housing etc.

>>513486937 (OP)
Because it will continue to make third worlders seethe.

https://apolloinrealtime.org

>>513488877
I agree, clearly germans are incapable of such a engineering feat. They just lose wars.

>>513500113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDggkBUSZl8

>>513500055
This dick and balls drawing from direct nasa shows them going through the densest part of the van allen belts, actually.

>>513500039
I’m just trying to figure out why people think men walked on the moon.

Why do you think men walked on the moon?

>>513500154
A white man landed on Venus.
So you believe me, right?

>>513500356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLXHrQ1Keac

>>513499977
No I believe men walked on the moon because the USSR was monitoring the endeavor with their entire spy apparatus and would have called bullshit immediately. You see, faggot, there was this thing going on at the time called the “Cold War” and we were enemies. You euroniggers are really not as smart as you think you are.

>>513500539
Ah yes, the failed photographer grifter Dave Mc "use my dog as engagement bait for google adsense reveunue" Keegan. Nice job, shill.

>>513500659
I addressed this earlier:
The Cold War was a meme, it’s publicly acknowledged now that we were providing material support for the USSR, and that their space agencies were cooperating. No one cooperates with their opponents in a race; and definitely no one gives material support to an enemy nation that threatens them with nuclear destruction.

Do you have any reason to believe other than “governments agree”?

>>513500407
Highlight on the image where what you claim is shown.
>>513500759
So you can't refute his rebuttal. Very typical of moonlanding deniers and flat earthers.

>>513500659
This is a textbook example of either shill behavior or indoctrination. Something that comes up as often as the "Kubrick wanted to film on location ti-hi look at me I am SO original comment" that implies that you can trust communists.

>>513498943
Nice cgi

>>513500799
>you can't refute his rebuttal.
I can simply by looking at his face.

>>513486937 (OP)

>>513500799
Um… the path the ship took around the earth.

I’m not saying this image is correct, just that it’s from nasa and shows something different than you say. The craft would have to exit near one of the poles to reduce the time it was in the belts, according to NASA.

If you can show me that the craft exited near the poles, I’m fine saying it took a path that reduced exposure to radiation.

>>513500891
>flag
but you are upside down on the flattest continent on earth.

>>513499767
>so the game does not prove men walked on the moon
again nigger
>i did not say its evidence we landed on the moon, or even imply it.
i said it will teach you what you clearly dont understand.
>The math can’t prove men walked on the moon.
no but it can prove it is possible with the shit they used, and then you have look at the evidence that exists and you either believe it or you dont, none of us can say for sure.
for one you can watch entire missions here
https://apolloinrealtime.org/
what part of these long ass missions are fake, watch one. (they are days long in real time but you can scrub through at the top)
> but there is also video of space aliens over major cities
show me a part of the landings you think are fake, because asking the same question over and over and inferring retarded shit from peoples answers is pointless.
> it’s publicly acknowledged now that we were providing material support for the USSR
what are you talking about here?

>>513487751
He ditched the project a couple yeears before suppossed landing because he knew it's bullshit

>>513500775
> I addressed this.
You are lying and wrong. You are not big brained, you are retarded.

>>513487176
You're retarded, anon

>>513500407

The most eye-opening part of studying the moon landing charade is seeing how many shills are employed protecting the lie, how much deception there is and people shamelessly deceiving for money. The whole thing makes me extra assured that hell is real because most of the fags protecting the scam are also turbo-atheists that put early reddit-era edgy atheists to shame.

>>513500495
You don't have proof though. Show me a video with the same quality, documentation and acceptance by all governments and I'll believe you.
By the way, I'm starting to think you're not really German. Did you know that Von Braun (a Nazi scientist) helped develop the Saturn V?

>>513500659
Obvious evidence we live in a world government, not that MUH SPACE TRAVEL is real, git

>>513488918
>camera controlled from outside as they were leaving the moon as if they were cruising in a car on a sunny day
>somehow broadcasts the recording from millions of kilometers away
>doesn't break because of temperature

>>513501030
guysposinginlabcoatspretendingtodosomethingimportantbecausescienceisheckincool.jpg

>>513500077
>your
Are you implying yours isn't?

>>513492411
They went to antarctica before the mission to collect some rare rocks

>>513501162
>we live in a world government
You live in your parents basement, twat.

>>513500956
The videos are simply all fake. Even if the math works, it just proves it's possible, not that they actually went and did it. I'm afraid you will personally need to do better, like inventing a time machine and bringing jew anon along for the mission. Until then? You lose, sorry.

>>513501136
Every claim of falsehood can be debunked

>>513486937 (OP)
Nigger

>>513500956
> no but it can prove it is possible with the shit they used
Do you believe everything that is possible has already happened?
If not, this is not evidence by your own standard.

Do you understand? I’m taking your professed beliefs and showing that you do not actually hold them. You are claiming things as evidence that in other situations you would dismiss as evidence.

There is some other factor causing your belief.

>what are you talking about here
https://coldwarheartland.ku.edu/documents/foes-or-friends

Suppose you ran another country, and the only country on the planet that could threaten you, and was threatening you, was starving to death.would you help them?

>>513493705
>>513493845
Sure buddy, and you can show us the reproducible evidence how?

>>513486937 (OP)
>Why do you believe men walked on the moon, anon?
Because I studied orbital mechanics in school and was taught proofs for the formulas needed to get to the moon. It's not super easy but it's surprisingly simple compared to some of my other classes. The real challenges arise in constructing a rocket capable of doing it, but rocket tech was getting massive funding at the time and already had decades of development, plus the greatest German minds working at at. The only reasons we don't go back to the moon now is because people are significantly dumber now and it would be a lot of expense for practically no gain. Even back in the day a lot of Soviets were pissy that they were putting people in space when back on the ground they couldn't afford to eat.

>>513501009
Please be specific about what I got wrong in that post so I can be correct in the future.

>>513501149
I don’t have proof? A WHITE MAN did it!
Are you saying that’s suddenly not good enough for you?

>>513501254
No, but I see how the confusion arose.

>>513500856
You've got no argument, I get it.
>>513500935
You said
>This dick and balls drawing from direct nasa shows them going through the densest part of the van allen belts, actually.
But it shows nothing of that. The actual trajectory is pic related, which was chosen based on different factors. Suppose we have two different possible trajectories:
1: Goes through a less dense region but at a lower velocity
2: Goes through a denser region but at a higher velocity
You can calculate whether said trade-off is worth it, which is why they don't exclusively maneuver through the least dense areas.

>>513500775
Space transcends borders. Nations need to cooperate on some level to ensure certain standards and safety protocols are adhered to, just like with planes.

>>513501500
>You've got no argument, I get it.
I have plenty, but I know you and I know how fruitless it is to engage with someone who is paid to lie. You guys won't wake up until hell is dragged near.

>>513501422
Not sure I follow, are you saying you believe because you did some math in school and they had lots of money?

>>513501500
And for completeness, the trajectory on the way back
>>513501587
You have no argument. You are a loser.

>>513501449
>Are you saying that’s suddenly not good enough for you?
Don't mess with semantics. You understand perfectly well why the moon landing is true.
You believe in some kind of jewish mythology (muh flat earth) which is even worse.

>>513501136
see that's the funny thing, hardly anyone is "employed" to keep the lie going, one of the hardest things for people to do is admit they are wrong. if you get told "the moon landing is real, the government doesn't lie to you", and you live that lie for most of your life, it's hard to admit you were tricked.

that's my biggest takeaway from growing up in this shitty era. from 9/11 to obama to trump to covid, i was duped at first, but slowly started to look past the lies and realize i was wrong. the majority of people simple won't admit they were wrong and change their ways, people are so retarded and stubborn they would rather double down on the wrong answer than say "oh wait... i was wrong"

>>513501500
Anon, they really went through the shit out of that radiation belt on your image.

>>513501538
So your cope is we had to share food and technology that could prevent the starvation of our enemies and enable them to send rockets across the planet to deliver nukes… for safety?

>>513501283

>>513501623
> You understand perfectly well why the moon landing is true.
No, I absolutely do not. I briefly thought it was because a white man did it, but apparently that is not the case.

What do you believe men walked on the moon?

I'm confused, are all of the deniers itt flerfs, or do some still think it's a globe? so for the globe believers but landing deniers, do they reject all spaceflight or just Apollo 8/10-17?

help me out here

>>513501779
Yes, I believe men walked on the moon.

>>513501809
I think it’s globular
See how quickly and easily I answered your question? Okay now your turn:

Why do you think men walked on the moon?

>>513501859
Cool, cool.
Why?

>>513486937 (OP)
I have a very good telescope at my cabin in the Rocky Mountains. On a clear night I can see the shit they left behind on the lunar surface.

>>513501647
This is the problem when retarded schizos find out real conspiracies exist. They don't how to discern truth from lies. They go all in and believe completely retarded shit like flat Earth just because the government says the Earth is round.

>>513501361
>Do you believe everything that is possible has already happened?
did i say that? because i dont think that's what i said or implied
they make the claim that they used this hardware to go to this place.
the math works for that hardware to get to that place.
simple as
>https://coldwarheartland.ku.edu/documents/foes-or-friends
are you trying to say this is evidence russia wouldnt call us out for faking the moon landing?

>>513501921
Do you think it’s bad that you had to lie to defend the moon landing?

Because even the most powerful observatories on earth can’t do this.
https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/how-to-see-all-six-apollo-moon-landing-sites/
> As you're well aware, no telescope on Earth can see the leftover descent stages of the Apollo Lunar Modules or anything else Apollo-related. Not even the Hubble Space Telescope can discern evidence of the Apollo landings. The laws of optics define its limits.

So uh… why did you lie?

>>513501664
Yes, and?

>>513501866
why do you think it's globular
same thing.

>>513502008
>did I say that
No, I wouldn’t need to ask if you believed that if you said you believed that.
How are you not getting this?
And in your videogame, you can have hardware that goes to Venus. The math checks out.
Regardless, you do not believe men walked on Venus.

So descriptions of hardware and math is insufficient evidence for you, except in this case.

> are you trying to say this is evidence russia wouldnt call us out for faking the moon landing?
Depends, did you just say the Cold War was evidence they would?

>>513502089
Why won’t you answer my question? Especially after I answered yours, despite you ignoring mine?
I’m not going to answer infinity questions for you unless you answer AT LEAST one of mine.

Why do you think men went to the moon?

>>513501647
While it is true that some people are extremely stubborn and refuse to wake up it is usually easy to identify them as such. In this case we are talking about a concentrated effort to keep the swindle alive via financial and other incentives.

>>513501898
>Multiple reliable and verifiable evidence
>Accepted by virtually all countries in the world. (Even the USSR accepted it)
>plus it was a white achievement

>>513502240
because there is evidence of it.
I'm still confused though, if you aren't a flerf but you think it's round, then was like Mercury-Redstone 3 faked, or nah? what's the cutoff...
look, I get you're trying to do the whole sealioning thing for (yous), whatever, but I'm honestly curious what the non-flerf denier stances are. is the denying limited to Apollo? what about like Apollo 10, they went to the moon but didn't land...

>>513501973
Or the problem is that when it is widely accepted that the moon landings never happened it becomes reasonable to question the shape of our planet.

>>513502479
> >Multiple reliable and verifiable evidence
MULTIPLE?! Holy shit, would you be so kind as to just share ONE?

>>513502494
>there is evidence
May I see it? Instead of saying “there is evidence”, post the fucking evidence.

>>513502651
I get the feeling you have a solipsist mindset.
Anyways, this is a good introduction to Apollo I suppose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program
the ALSJ is also fun to peruse https://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/main.html

New thread btw

>>513502687
>>513502687
>>513502687
>>513502687

Come on in; refuse to answer simple questions for three hours, and then claim it would be a waste of time to answer so you can refuse to answer it even more!

>>513502822
Fuck you nigger. Stop making these threads.

>>513502167
>No, I wouldn’t need to ask if you believed that if you said you believed that.
lmao ok faggot whatever.
>And in your videogame, you can have hardware that goes to Venus. The math checks out.
yes it does, and it checks out in real life.
it would just be next to impossible to send humans in real life at least currently, unlike the moon.
the russians have sent probes there too.
do you believe they did that?
>Depends, did you just say the Cold War was evidence they would?
i think being in a race against the other superpower on the planet to get to space would have been a good reason to call them out for faking it, yes.
instead they congratulated us

do you believe men walked on the moon?

>>513502040
I don't know, it seemed like a fun thing to try on a boring afternoon.

>>513502762
Your evidence is a Wikipedia article?

Anon, are you fooling with me? Do you actually believe men walked on the moon?

I mean if you want to use a Wikipedia article to support your evidence, we can discuss that; but the article itself is not evidence. What is it in this article that convinced you men walked on the moon?

>>513502897
Fuck YOU nigger, I will stop making these threads when someone tells me why the fuck they believe men walked on the moon.