Starting up this thread again since I always manage to get some new information with them and there's an honest to god potential glowie connection here of some sort:

Anyone know anything about these people? They seem to be expanding their influence. They've started up a chapter in Austin and other places as well as taking full advantage of that school voucher system to set up christian schools as fronts (imago dei in alamogordo by holloman afb for example). Anyone that was ever in will tell you there's nothing suspicious about for profit scam schools by bases but it was almost always reserved for day cares (the ones on bases opened up at around 7 or 8 which was obviously not going to work for a military schedule so there was always one off base that opened up at like 5 that charged exorbitant amounts of money because they knew they were going to get it as a result of that) or some "university of maryland online university college" bullshit money making scheme since the only reason anyone ever went to one of them was because having a degree or some sort automatically gave you a few bonus points on your enlisted performance reports. K-12 though is something new though and I can guarantee there's a pipeline back to that cult in redding somehow.

I was stationed out in california with members of this place and I'm seeing familiar faces amongst the staff at that place who are still active member of that cult. Anyone who knows even a slight amount bethel knows that that place becomes the sum total of their existence (since it's a cult and you know, that's what cults do). And having something like that next to an extreme glowie base like holloman is an even bigger problem.

https://x.com/mockeridge82111

Welp, if any of you autists do find out anything substantial don't keep it to yourselves.

https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/1363986/james-h-baker/


In addition anyone know anything about this guy (besides the dead mans eyes). He was the cheif glowie responsible for what went down at Edwards when I was there: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/191216890/

Here's why that biography is weird: Look up anyone elses biographies on there and it'll give you a complete history every school they went to, every unit they commanded (even the legit satanic glowies like michael aquino, if you look at his it'll tell you he commissioned through rotc at santa barbarbra before being assigned to psyops)

baker retired as a colonel and there's no units or undergrad schools listed. The earliest known record is him graduating from Michigan State University with a masters degree in 1990. In fact there are no records of him whatsoever before that, he seemingly popped into existence out of nowhere in 1990 with a graduate degree from MSU, followed on by some other schools he went to afterwards and that's it.

Don't keep that to yourself either. I know you glowies are watching any thread about him and I know you don't like him. Andrew Marshall he is definitely not.

I don't know the slightest info on this subject.. however it sounds cool. "Bethel" sounds very cool.

redding also always seems to show up on these schizo maps. Which of course means nothing in and of itself but when it's like 10 out 10.

>>513548155

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RC37_FAORHs

This isn't even close to the worst. And I'm like 90% sure the pentagon is using them for research into psyops.

>>513547941 (OP)
all i know is that everyone i know who went to a certain bible school in germany, loves them

i saw bill johnson one time, he is a total clown and the whole identity teaching is pure trash

>>513548532
Possessed by demons? Doesn't impress me much, I've watched vaticancatholic.com on YouTube, there's lots of stuff like that these days everywhere in the us.

>>513548606

What bible church?

>>513548640

Did anyone of them try and resurrect a two year odl? And then there's all the other glowie shit.

>>513548865
Yeah crazy stuff is going on. Can you tell me what you know about this glowie stuff?

>>513549007

I just did. Did you not bother reading the thread bin laden?

>>513549076
Oh right you say all the other glowie shit. Well what is this other glowie shit?

Why bother?
If you know its a cult and you are not attached to it or helping a friend out of it, why entangle yourself in the bullshit?

They know how to sound 'churchy'.
They know how to say that they hold right doctrine.
The question is, do their fruits bear this out?

Like in your short, they redefine Jesus, the atoning death, and confession.
A HUGE problem in all churches is that THEY ALLOW WOMEN TO SPEAK.

If you pay attention, the more authority a church will give to women is an indicator of exactly how nutty it will become.

>>513549076
I have a hard time reading anything in English, that's not my mother language, so. I mean it's mentally exhausting. Just sum some stuff up please.

>>513549384
Basically, the 'church' claims to be real Christians, pic related, but they simply don't try to live up to it, instead engaging in a marketing campaign to boost attendance and donations.

It's like old TV preachers, but more refined and developed into a franchise system.
OP has not clearly illustrated the CIA link, but all incorporated churches in America (501c3 non-profit corporations) are suspect, and most did exactly what they were told to do during covid. They were much cheaper than doctors and produced higher vaxxine compliance rates, for instance.

>>513549291
he's been posting this thread on /x/ for a couple weeks now maybe. im not sure what he expects to get out of it really. yeah, they are a bit of a wacky so called 'Pentecostal' style group very much into 'signs and wonder' and other false teachers they regard as prophets and 'Generals', with a really very bizarrely inflated sense of their own importance in the world.
thats pretty much normal for such people and groups - they are always the leading edge, the revival tip of the spear etc etc.

ive read a book by Bill Johnson and it was pretty heretical as i remember it. not good Christology and full of stuff about how you have to show signs and wonders to be saved and stuff. Ive even b een to Bethel in Redding, hung around for a week, went to a sunday meeting etc. its your typical very elitist , very celebrity leadership, very self-involved and inward looking kind of mega church environment that tends to lead its students into looking down on other believers outside their group.

a lot of the kids who go there mean well and are looking for God, but i think it can be more of a stumbling block than anything else.

>>513550113
Damn. Alright I need to do some stuff see ya bro. God bless.

>>513550236
May the Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep you and yours!

>>513550163

There's always someone on here from redding or edwards and I get tiny little pieces of information. Trying to get a SAP declassified is much more work than I'm sure you realize.

>>513550163

I have to ask when did you head down to redding?

>>513550113

Well it would be a more dod thing than cia thing at this point.

>>513550335
I lived in Redding 2013-15 and at that time the kids were basically just better behaved, slightly culty, attractive college kids. They all had smoking hot wives between 18-20. Never ran into any supernatural shit, there was the much more pressing issue of HA, Mexican Mafia, and various groups and towns involved in the drug trade and well as a shitload of junkies and degenerates because all counties in CA give their problems bus tickets to Redding. Since then the church has been more involved in government and has been strong arming local businesses, more like run of the mill corruption and extortion than anything esoteric. Overall they feel like scientologists or mormons, just a big grifting pyramid scheme masquerading as a religion.

>>513550465
Ok.

Perhaps you should revisit your pasta and more clearly elaborate the connections.
As it stands, someone would basically have to be one of the glowniggers you are referring to to even begin to know what is going on.

For instance, the link between Baker and Bethel.
What is it?

>>513551001

Know anyone with the last name niemeir by any chance?

>>513550335
its fine anon, keep search if you want. i just dont understand what you're looking for really.

>>513550368
2014

>>513551069

Henlo new friend.

You can literally start asking grok about me at this point but anyways, baker is the successor to a guy named andrew marshall which ran a think tank in the pentagon called the office of net assessment which was supposed to produce a 35 year vision of the future for them (all the the threats we'd be facing, the countries we'd need to be bombing, all that shit).

>>513551385

Anyways back in high school I got really involved with this internet flash series called broken saints and the forums there. Around that time I also read this book called imperial hubris written by this cia agent about why we weren't about to win in afghanistan. He talks about a lot of things but one of the things he emphasized was that afghanistan only really exists as a country on paper.

>>513551610

Your alligeance is to your local ethnic group, whose in kabul couldn't matter less to you. The group bin laden and aq were in with over there were the pashtuns and he said there was no point being anywhere outside the areas they control since the rest of afghanistan has nothing to do with them. I start looking into it and see that pashtunistan extends well into pakistan and figure that'd be the part he was hiding in since we weren't currently bombing the shit out of it. That's where abboatabad was.

>>513551001
>strong arming local businesses
in what way?

>>513551807

Anyways this was around 2005 and g dubbs had dragged the gop approval ratings so far into the ground that even from then is was a shoe in for the dems in 2008. I figured if they were going to successfully kill bin laden under this administration it would have happened already so it'll have to be under the next democratic one. Since we've been at war for so long by then we need to have that victory and get before the advanced kidney disease does.

>>513551385
>>513551610
>>513551807
>>513552063
This is a very weird bot, but bumping for interest.

>>513551610
>>513551807
>>513552063
See.
This.

It does nothing to answer the question, and simply branches off onto another rabbit trail that has BEEN KNOWN TO BE FALSE FOR DECADES.

This is a good indication that you are a bot.
That's fine and all, if that's you, but it will tend to limit interaction from real men.
For instance, I will now stop because there is nothing further that can be done here.

>>513552063

Anywho you'd have to use a Tier 1 unit to do the hit and I decide on seal team 6 since

A) Everyone recognizes the name and seals are viewed as the most badass spec ops unit on Earth and having them do it would be best for pr.

B)That the hit would happen in 2011 since that would give the sitting dem president the best chance for reelection. Before hand people have the memory of goldfish and will forget afterwards it starts to look suspicious so 2011 is the perfect time for that.

>>513547941 (OP)
Bethel Alaska is the worst shit hole in the state, do not go there, I did some light construction work and the drunk natives would scream at you in the grocery store demanding you fight them
I had a guy vomit on the hood of my truck from the landing entrance to the town hall at 8am
My brother in law got MRSA which is uncommonly common there
A coworker found hundreds of liquor bottles under the same town hall building while running cable (all the buildings are on stilts due to the permafrost)
At a "restaurant" we saw two fat natives making out while drinking mini wine bottles, the owner said cut it out and one said "HEY IT'S MY SISTER'S BIRTHDAY MAN"
They cut holes in the wall of the liquor store so they could sneak in at night

>>513552303

Yeah I've been explaining how this all leads into this fora minute now glowie, just wait like five minutes.

So anyways I start a post on those forums about what our predictions for the future will be and mine was that seal team six will kill bin laden in 2011 in the pashtun dominated region of pakistan under a democratic president, that was back in 2005. I fuck around for a few years join the air force and get sent out to edwards around 2011. I'm still an active member of those forums and at a place like edwards all communications are monitored and they get ahold of that post and it get forwarded up to those ona people.

>>513548312
you call that a schizo map?

>>513552854

Anywho after the hit happens they're obviously interested in anything else I had to say. I was a hardcore /b/-tard so I'd already been exposed to all the talking points that were about to be beamed into peoples heads 24/7 (hitler just being a misunderstood individual and blah blah blah) so I bring that up, but the one that got their attention was this.

Back when I was in tech school at keesler the 338th commander was drunk off his ass at the club at the beau rivage (a casino right off base) harassing airman. Him being a lt.col nothing happened to him. I told them to imagine that same scenario only I pull out my iphone, record him, post it on youtube and let it blow up there and ask them to imagine how things would have gone then. I also tell them that every news crew on the planet was now looking on devgur (for those of you that don;t know the sea mammals are some of the worst people in the military). The chain shat itself.

>>513547941 (OP)
I fell asleep once listening to a church service and a live Bethel sunday service came on. An angel or demon said "I can't do that here." since I can do some stuff in between sleep and wakefulness that is similar to astral projection. So theres something going on there. I had a black African woman angel bring me a blessing from an African megachurch and Jesus woke me to be on time to go to Joel Osteens online service. They are lenient to the point of prosperity gospel in terms of offerings but God is with them.

I stay away from Bethel and Jesus Image, because they word salad and want money. It's all run by women so Jesus Is My First Boyfriend and 7 11 songs, 7 words sang 11 times.

>>513553322

Anyways as it turns out a couple of guys on the froums knew some of those bethel people and the crew chief that lived behind me was also from redding and part of the cult. At that point the chain of commands main focus was on trying to maintain control and it's like okay we've now got direct access to this mind controlling cult, if we combine that with all the unredacted shit in the mkultra program and all the other psyops we've done over the years maybe we can come up with a solution to this problem.

>>513553688

If you think combining a cult, with advanced psyops, at a base that's home to half the saps in the u.s. military you're definitely right. It's the route they took. After that my memory comes in flashes, I can't recall everything that happened (which I guess was an end goal of all of this) but what I do remember was not good. All hell broke loose and what's more is that they seemed to have been able to have successfully mindfucked everyone on that base without them even knowing.

>>513553952

>half the saps in the u.s. military is a problem you're definitely right

>>513553952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNv9mUzevQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjHx_bx0Rc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBnAvrhPDUg&list=PLKrGje5kgGFS4whhpbZ4S62U-euGbL-2D

They do New Age. I can tell you from experience demons are red eyed black shades like from Conan the barbarian. I know about the pitch forks, thats a real thing. A Christmas Carol is actually based on 4 spirits doing a haunting. God will warn with truth and clarity but that has only been my experience.

Guard your walk with Christ more than the church you attend. Pearls before swine homie Christ is the treasure in the field always put that first and do not let bad preachers or Christians get in the way of you and God.

>>513554854
i remember looking in a bit of their 'sozo' counseling thing too. that looked pretty new age if i remember it right. even even the way they pray together and exclude other christians from outside the group is strange too. they are taught to think that only they have the new and current level of revelation and stuff like that. thats kind of newage and gnostic too.

>>513551096
Nope
>>513551967
Bethel members are in positions of power in the local bank so refusing business loans, landlords raising rent, city officials harrassing business owners that don't tithe to the church. Basic mafioso extortion. One thing you have to realize about living in redding is that it feels much much more remote than it actually is. It's only 2 1/2 hrs from sacramento, but the vibe is total BFE.

>>513555339
>Bethel members are in positions of power in the local bank so refusing business loans, landlords raising rent, city officials harrassing business owners that don't tithe to the church. Basic mafioso extortion
i dont rule it out because people can be like that but its surprising. what evidence do you have? personal anecdote or has this made it into the news there or soemthing?

i know redding does feel a bit off on its own in some ways yeah. probably its proximity to the shasta are and stuff. its pretty quiet up there. pretty empty south too. not much between it and tahoe etc. its definitely got more space around it that a lot of places in CA

>>513555339

Very much like Edwards. It was 45 minute drive from the front gate to the actual base.

Bethel does much of good for Christians that want to have more of God in their actual life. Their patient, lingering music is helpful to meditate on God's Word, and to not rush through prayers, but instead to wait on God.
The problem that Bill Johnson and Kris Vollotun, etc., rightly addresses is that for a Christian, they are truly a child of God, and their Heavenly Father actually loves them, like really loves them dearly.
So much non-Charismatic (Charismatic meaning Holy Spirit filled, ecstatic, celebratory, immersive, and entirely given over to God's will, moment by moment, thought by thought) church preaches that God is distant, angry, and disappointed in the Christian, rather than the truth of the Bible that say's God is "for us" (Christians), and that God "delights in us" (Christians), and this is not because of anything we (Christians) do to earn God's favor, but because of what Christ Jesus accomplished on the cross, on our (Christian's) behalf.
There are billions of places and things infinitely worse for any anon to do on a Sunday morning than tune how Bethel declares the love of God the Father, and His invitation to happy holiness.

>>513556609
SAY CHRISTIAN ONE MORE TIME... I DARE YOU

>>513555101
I did a sozo because i couldn't find a deliverance minister after a witch attacked me. There were 2 of them and the counseling didn't really work. However she prayed over me the the imps would fall off me, some would immediately reattach. Sitting in God's love perfects one much more than a counseling. I'm not knocking them, but there were so many Christians who didn't understand deliverance, that didn't do enough justice or credit to God and his love.
I was seeing the black orbs getting beings astral projecting to my room and the Holy Spirit would show me a witch dropping demons off at my house. The Holy Spirit was with me when Christians were acting ugly, he even had a seer at the church when I went back to confirm this stuff. I had an angel take a spiritual tracking device out of neck at that service. Crazy stuff. If you know you know.

I'd rather hear directly from God or Jesus going to glory to glory, but I don't want to hate on Christians trying to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzXmzKQWmTM

This Alvin York did a 36 hour fast then never got shot. His canteen had 18 rounds in it. Get the Holy Spirit, go to God directly it's the best you can get.

>>513556845
not pretended that those outside or separate from faith in what the Lord Christ Jesus accomplished in his life, death and resurrection have access to Father heart of God.
Jesus the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, except through Him.
The Spirit and the Bride say, "come."
Let all who thirst "come" and drink freely from the water of life.

>>513553952

Best part about this is that my "visions" if you can call them that never really stopped. I knew they were about to release that virus ahead of time while they were moving ai into the background to take control over everything.

>>513557652
I was just joking with you bud, and I barely even read what you said, it just seems like word salad with christian-themed stuff tossed in there.

>>513557730

I also remember warning that crew chief around 2018 that they were going to use her kids as an experiment in a continuation of the psyop that was started at edwards. This received about the response one would expect from someone randomly messaging you that.

https://x.com/MarybethHughes/status/1330176607366033410

Fuck me.... Most people don't rise to the occasion they fall back on their training and she she was raised in a cult. I guess it was inevitable.

>>513558039
well, if you don't know you are a sinner, in need of a rescue that you cannot create for yourself, and if you do not believe that Jesus Christ is that rescue, the Savior, then surely it was not a post for you to comprehend.
>t. leaf-kun like a bird looking at computer code

>>513558658
>shame-based mind control attempt

>>513555843
There were some local news articles a few years back that corroborated the anecdotes I was hearing. As to the veracity of the claims, who knows beyond people being willing to go on record. I left before they wormed their way into city government.

>>513559071
>half assed consideration of the posts, but get offended and defensive when anons notice half assed consideration of a post
n-nani??
it's your life and subsequent eternity, anon
take it seriously

>>513561487
very nice, christian-GPT