Is math a human construct wholly though human reason, something discovered by humans and described through "math" or something else?

/pol/ had an interesting conversion about this yesterday and I didn't stick around. What did you think?

>>513653529 (OP)
Math is downstream from logic which is man-made conventions used to describe a real set of properties that things have.

In other words, it's just a language. Don't overthink it.

>>513653529 (OP)
Math is a language. Used to describe real events.

A tree has many thousands of leaves. When wind blows, each leaf moves. Is the new position of the leave caluclated each time? We don't know, but it doesn't make sense if it would. Here I compare it to computer graphics. Nothing happens without designing logic and it needs to be calculated, each frame. How many fps does real world run at? We can measure nano seconds. That is a lot of calculations if the entire universe loop is updated each nano second.

So no, math is not a real thing. It is a language. With us everything is a language. Road sings are also language. A system for sharing information.

Geometry>math

Mathematics and similar things like logic embody relationship concepts. It "being language" is irrelevant. All disembodied information is language of some sort.
Now does disembodied information naturally exist? Yes, it's just that normally nobody does anything with it or that is stored in the pertinent objects instead of language: Pi or an orbital resonance already exist physically and have real effects. Maybe God uses it, idk; it's actually interesting to consider God in this context.
>but where is observer?!
>why can't I observe observer?!
But those relationships are real, it's just that our mathematics aren'T the conclusive way to describe it (probably), much like Science may not be 100% accurate, but it's close enough to describe the real process.