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Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515598886 [Report] >>515600031 >>515600995 >>515601005 >>515601573 >>515606353
Kraut/pol/ - Deep Night Edition
German this 'n that.

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Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515600031 [Report] >>515600824
>>515598886 (OP)
Better late than never, I guess... :)
Narrowly missed some serious digits there btw.
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515600824 [Report] >>515601286
>>515600031
I was playing around with some language settings in the browser when I remembered there was a thread to bake... 12 mins and the old one was kill.
Anonymous (ID: 27vJ4jfR) Netherlands No.515600995 [Report]
>>515598886 (OP)
Go right now faggot. Die for us, die for us.
Anonymous (ID: OYTTfYeS) Japan No.515601005 [Report] >>515601286 >>515602149
>>515598886 (OP)
>What's your issue?
Protestantism is a break (Catholicism) from a break (Orthodoxy)
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515601286 [Report] >>515601798
>>515600824
You old worlders need to step up. :)

>>515601005
>Protestantism is
The Only Christian sect for White people.
Anonymous (ID: R3WQjqsF) Germany No.515601573 [Report]
>>515598886 (OP)
>hofreiter
bwuahahaha...
Anonymous (ID: OYTTfYeS) Japan No.515601798 [Report] >>515601975
>>515601286
Seems like the red area in Europe is the only real Europe left tho
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515601975 [Report]
>>515601798
Are you an American or a European ffs ?
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515602149 [Report] >>515602357 >>515604335
>>515601005
What makes Orthodoxy a "first" or "basis?" Where do you cut it and say, "that's it."
If you give Orthodoxy to the Germanics, will they keep it as is or (again) modify it to adopt it to their traits and culture?
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515602357 [Report] >>515604311
>>515602149
>modify it to adopt it to their traits and culture
Bingo !
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515603932 [Report] >>515604311
Futile bump.
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515604311 [Report] >>515604621 >>515605955
>>515602357
Which leads to the question (for Dago): what are Orthodoxy's universal truths that won't be modified (i.e. not changed in their inherent character)?

>>515603932
It's still a fast catalog and we're not even a handful of posters. Guess if this thread dies we'll find peaceful sleep.
Anonymous (ID: OYTTfYeS) Japan No.515604335 [Report] >>515605955
>>515602149
There is no modification of traditional Christianity, but orthodoxy is setup in a rather decentralized way, which would allow for a “germanic” autocephalous (independent) church that is fitted to germanic language and culture.

In reality, however, we had this for the first millennium before the schism of 1054, with Rome being the seat of western Christianity.
Anonymous (ID: OYTTfYeS) Japan No.515604621 [Report] >>515605955 >>515606001
>>515604311
The essence of traditionalism is that Christianity shouldn’t change from ~500AD to the present day.
The better question is what innovations were introduced with the Roman and Protestant churches - which can be considered departures from tradition - and the list is extensive.
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515605955 [Report] >>515606855
>>515604311
>peaceful sleep
I have always found that difficult. You ?

>>515604335
>>515604621
Italians are gay, the Church should be led by Whites...
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515606001 [Report] >>515606208 >>515608906 >>515609065
>>515604621
I cannot comment on the Orthodoxy part right now. Perhaps you can contrast it with what I write.

One of the issues of Protestantism is to have no medium/authority between the individual and God (or the source, the Bible). Each individual's interpretation is valid, priests may work as educated guides though, and of course debate can/will happen between all. This "community of equals" is very Nordic (see Law of Jante) and even anarchistic (no master, no slave).

The next is that our understanding (beyond human affairs) is so limited that we have no certainty about what will bring salvation and who will receive it, if it exists. The conclusion is that "good deeds" don't buy you anything outside your community (no ticket to heaven). One may come up with hints and hopes, but no guarantees. A system that sells you salvation and tells you what to do is illogical and illegitimate then.
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515606208 [Report]
>>515606001
>no medium/authority between the individual and God
Exactly !
Don't need no stinkin' priestly caste between...
Anonymous (ID: mLwL2OnF) United States No.515606353 [Report] >>515606578 >>515606855
>>515598886 (OP)
when is europe going to be an ethnostate again? they exist in asia why not in europe????
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515606578 [Report] >>515606920
>>515606353
Europe was never an ethnostate, Meds ain't White...
East Slavs neither.
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515606855 [Report] >>515607319
>>515605955
>You
Like a baby.

>>515606353
>ethnostate
Unsure (outside of some minor or peripheral states) whether we had that. Germany and most other countries were/are nation states.
Anonymous (ID: Ak58/Dwb) United States No.515606920 [Report] >>515607319
>>515606578
but mass importing people is okay? its better off as a white ethnostate than a multicultural area.
Anonymous (ID: v83RjMe2) No.515607319 [Report]
>>515606855
https://youtu.be/8eNoms9wsGc

>>515606920
>but mass importing people is okay?
Ugh, no.
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515608906 [Report]
>>515606001
Obviously it's an idealized, concise description. Reality is slightly different. Once it's out of fashion or discouraged, the majority won't read or even interpret the Bible, there will be authorities (but their reach is usually limited), and the whole thing can be hijacked and dirtied. But the general idea will permeate through most discussions and community affairs. In the past there even was a moderate immune system against people who would hijack and abuse the system, but... it wasn't good enough.
Anonymous (ID: Q85YSmOV) Japan No.515609065 [Report] >>515609128 >>515610536
>>515606001
>Each individual's interpretation is valid
Some people’s interpretations are more valid than others. Those who dedicated their entire life to it, have a far deeper grasp than some ordinary person who has picked up a Bible for the first time and is filled with various biases which may lead to erroneous interpretations. Someone who spent three decades at Mount Athos will be in a more Christ-like state than Joe Schmoe from the suburbs of Dallas who works as a used car salesman.
>priests may work as educated guides
This has always been the traditional Christian stance, where priests advise the laity and the bishops advise the priests. Your quip about intermediaries is more originates from a counter-reformation idea which was a reaction against the no intermediaries idea.
Yet simultaneously, the orthodox priest has been bestowed various spiritual powers (sacraments) from Christ himself, through an unbroken chain of apostolic succession, and these are rather necessary support structures if one wishes to grasp the full mystery of Christianity.

>good deeds
The orthodox position is that neither good deeds nor faith alone can bring salvation. Technically, only faith is needed, but in practice, good deeds and faith are connected at the hip. Faith alone leads to self-delusion because it sets you up with a mentality of “hurr durr I’m all set since I believe. I dont have to do anything.”


Now, the real question is what innovations did Rome invent? Because this is what Protestants were reacting against. What happened was instead of correcting the errors of the Roman Church, it introduced more errors in doctrine.
Anonymous (ID: Q85YSmOV) Japan No.515609128 [Report] >>515611462
>>515609065
The two main errors of Rome were
>The Filioque
>Papal Supremacy

The Filioque was an addition into the Nicene Creed, where the Romans claimed the Holy Spirit comes from both the Father and the Son. But this is a metaphysical error since there can only be one causation of the Holt Spirit - which is that of the father. The Romans introduced this as a reaction against the Arian heresy, which denied the divinity of the Son. So to combat this, the Roman Church over-elevated “The Son” at the cost of introducing metaphysical error.


Then there is the idea of Papal Supremacy, where the Bishop of Rome had total authority over the entirety of the Church. The Church was set up in a way that it was semi-decentralized with independent jurisdictions in Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, etc. The Bishop of Rome had an honorific title that granted him minor irrelevant privileges - but they ran away with the Papal Supremacy idea, which later led all types of innovations that both Protestants and the Holy Roman Empire rejected.
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515610536 [Report] >>515611462 >>515613011
>>515609065
>Some people’s interpretations are more valid than others.
Certainly. But the idea is to treat them as equal. Like equality before the law, where we know that factually we're unequal but are treated the same (ideally).

You may protest because it certainly feels lazy, but
>an unbroken chain of apostolic succession
What do we need that for?
>the full mystery of Christianity
If it cannot be written down in a rather simple booklet, is it really useful or substantial? Sounds more like artificial complexity.
>in practice, good deeds and faith are connected at the hip.
Those communities that pragmatically do it have resources and survive, simple as. The delusional/lazy die off.
>introduced more errors in doctrine
But how serious were those really?
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515611462 [Report]
>>515610536
>But how serious were those really?
With that I mean most debates are about the right interpretation and justification (which contains a lot of scholarly nonsense, esp when people are methodologically sloppy or introduce politics into it [which often happened]). The right application (ethics) is the next step, but here will natural selection eventually weed out the most unworkable parts. So, what harm was really done?

>>515609128
>metaphysical error
>Arian heresy, which denied the divinity of the Son
>etc
See, how serious actually is it to get this right? This is on the level of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, you debate parts of their fictional universe.
Anonymous (ID: Q85YSmOV) Japan No.515613011 [Report] >>515614137
>>515610536
I’ll respond to the rest later I gotta grab lunch with someone
>If it cannot be written down in a rather simple booklet, is it really useful or substantial?
this is the problem is sola scriputra
Christ did not write a book, and Christianity existed for a period of time before the gospels came into existence. It was purely oral teachings and the setting up of his Church system — and granting the necessary authority to carry out his mission.
>Apostolic Succession
Is important because that is the living link of transmission between now and Apostles and Christ

The counter to “Your only interpretation matters” is that it is better to have checks and balances when it comes to interpretation. Not even someone like Augustine is safe from introducing his own ideas and errors.
Anonymous (ID: C5idkXUz) No.515614137 [Report]
>>515613011
>I’ll respond to the rest later
I need some sleep now anyway. Weekend?
>the living link of transmission
But once severed it would be over? Not very useful. Ideally the system can be set up anywhere at anytime by anybody.
>checks and balances
One point is that the individual doesn't need to have his own refined interpretation, he can also question yours. If he's your equal, he can do that. If he's your subordinate, he may not.