Thread 516074044

- Liberals are pessimists who feel good about themselves (it's all someone else's fault)
- Conservatives are optimists who feel bad about themselves (it's all my fault)

The test for this is simple:

- Go to a liberal and claim fault for something, and they will come up with reasons that it's not your fault.
- Go to a conservative and claim that something isn't your fault, and they will come up with reasons that you should be taking more responsibility.

It seems like society gets locked into this equilibrium where you have to feel good about one but not the other. Either pessimism towards society must be met with hedonism (ie liberalism), or one may go through a process of self-improvement but may no longer question society.

Why can't we question things AND self-improve? That combination is too powerful, too chaotic for the rulers of society.

i got raped while walking home
I wasn't wearing anything skimpy
is it my fault?

>>516074318
Depends, did you vote for it?

>>516074560
nobody votes to be raped

>>516074619
was the rapist a repeat offender?

>>516074619
Yes they do. Everytime you vote for a democrate judge, mayor, city council member, or any other local democrat politicians, you are voting for rape, murder, and thievery. And, you get what you fucking deserve.

>>516074044 (OP)
Fundamentally, conservatives lock themselves into a positive growth-oriented mindset while shutting themselves off to negativity, making it hard for them to see anything wrong in society. Simultaneously, liberals bind themselves to the state of society and become completely incapable of any real form of self-improvement.

Well I fucking hate myself AND hate society. What does that make me?
>inb4 faggot/nigger/tranny/kike

>>516075678
>What does that make me?
Based

>>516075419
I think we need the nature left to move towards solution focus (optimism) and the natural right to move towards problem-focus.

In other words, we need to encourage the opposite trends that society gives us:

- If you want to develop self-agency, you need to focus on problems rather than solutions.
- If you want to focus on society, you need to focus on solutions rather than problems.

>>516074044 (OP)
This is why I reject left/right dichotomy and simply pick positions that I feel are correct, regardless of which "side" prescribes them.
I like closed borders, I like a social safety net, I like strong policing, I like lax drug laws, I like some leftwing shit, I like some rightwing shit.
I don't want to be pigeon-holed into one camp or another, especially since camp A seems filled with faggy shit, and camp B seems filled with evangelical retards.
A pox on both houses.

>>516076196
Fair points. I was thinking about this more in the context of personal advice. I was trying to figure out why it is so hard for me to be understood by absolutely anyone. I have conservative friends and I have liberal friends, and they are both "blue pilled" in the sense that they cannot develop a sense of self that is in conflict with the world, which means their advice to me is necessarily that I must either not be in conflict with the world or it is all the world's fault. There's no ability to be present to basic information to make practical decisions about one's life. Everything gets ran through the Mr Anderson filter.

>>516074044 (OP)
ZOG is now a reality, whether "experts" like it or not, we've seen the damage ZOG does to innocent people. We've seen what it does to our economy and our quality of life. Most jewish central banking siphons money to israel and are shareholders of israeli military businesses. We have to take down the ZOG machine. Jews will trade your life as they are doing now in gaza for a chance at some holy land exclusively for themselves

>>516076567
>why it is so hard for me to be understood by absolutely anyone
This is the human condition, friend. I'm not a fan either, but it appears that it's simply 'how it is'. You're lucky to find a couple of people who get you enough that you can sincerely open up to, it's no guarantee.
>their advice to me is necessarily that I must either not be in conflict with the world or it is all the world's fault
Bury your head in the sand, or the eternal blackpill. Or am I oversimplifying/misunderstanding what you mean?

>>516077101
>This is the human condition, friend. I'm not a fan either, but it appears that it's simply 'how it is'. You're lucky to find a couple of people who get you enough that you can sincerely open up to, it's no guarantee.
Just recognizing that helps, on some level.

>Bury your head in the sand, or the eternal blackpill. Or am I oversimplifying/misunderstanding what you mean?
For individual subjects, yes. Just keep in mind that one side is going to be more bluepilled or redpilled about a particular subject, based on the aforementioned conflict of agency and valence. People are uncomfortable being uncomfortable. Nuance gets squashed so that people can be comfortable and tension can be defused between these ideas.

>>516077315
>Just keep in mind that one side is going to be more bluepilled or redpilled about a particular subject, based on the aforementioned conflict of agency and valence
I've noticed this, "hot-button" issues tend to bring out the retard in everybody, as if they are all forced to tow some line rather than have their own nuanced take, for fear of not conforming and thus being shunned from the tribe.
Basically it seems like we're all being herded into two camps, neither of them particularly appealing nor representative of our views, without any additional available refuge. I'd love for two new parties to replace what we've got, just for the change of pace it could represent. But, wish in one hand, shit in the other eh

>>516077101
>Bury your head in the sand, or the eternal blackpill. Or am I oversimplifying/misunderstanding what you mean?
If you talk to a conservative who thinks you are part of his tribe (maybe he detects you have enough strength to be solution-oriented), then he will call you schizo when you get out of line.
If you talk to a liberal who thinks you are part of his tribe (maybe because he detects you care truth regardless of its convenience), he will say you're worrying too much about yourself, as even personal problems are actually the result of societal problems, and you just need to have faith in that.

To complete the table:
If you talk with a conservative who DOESN'T think you're part of the tribe, he'll just call you weak or demented, like he views all liberals.
If you talk with a liberal who doesn't think you're part of the tribe (often just for asking questions that could lead to truth that everyone finds uncomfortable), he will make up reasons for a bias that you will deny having.

>>516077967
It's definitely more than political views, but the political parties serve as the best dividing line in the population at this point, as they effectively serve as our religions.

I think what's concerning is the number of hot button issues that exist. It would be one thing if we just disagreed on a couple basic things that we could compromise on, but it seems that there seems to be more and more disagreement, which leads to more bot-like behavior from people.

>>516078158
>I think what's concerning is the number of hot button issues that exist.
Errant thought: I wonder how many of these <CURRENT TOPIC> would exist without the internet piping hot takes and antagonism into people's hands all day every day, and how much economic incentive there is to stoke such angry engagement.
>BRUTAL takedown of LIBERALS! CLICK HERE!
That kind of shit. How much of the simmering civil unrest that we see is artificially generated, for clicks and profits, or even worse.
Tinfoil hat time: I think we're being primed towards civil unrest to justify government crackdown and seizing of further power. I could be completely wrong, I could be a fuckin' loon.
I hope I am, it bodes ill if I am correct.
Webm unrelated.

>>516078573
Good thought.

Here's a more esoteric take:

Each of these dimensions are dimensions of power or social control. All of ruling society is a matter of controlling these different playing fields, and while there is a mix of organic and artificial content in any of the dimensions (ie, liberals understand that they should hate republicans for being warmongers, but they stupidly blame this in simple-minded racism or bigotry instead of seeing the military-industrial complex for what it is), there is also a concerted effort to keep these domains separate from each other. If one leader rises in one domain and has the potential for crossover power in another domain, they are watched very closely and often discredited, even in their original domain. It's like "Lord of the Rings". They don't want there to be one ring to rule them all, except the secrecy that they use in their operations to keep everyone else separate and confused. They don't want a "one ring" concept to emerge in the public space. And if it does emerge, it's almost certainly fake and gay.

>>516079229
>They don't want a "one ring" concept to emerge in the public space
I think we had the brewings of a cross-party class war during the OWS era after the bailouts, and that was purposefully derailed and redirected into the fucked up culture war we see today. Hell, GamerGate was around that same time too, wasn't it? Whatever momentary solidarity was felt around that time got parlayed into a bunch of gay garbage for a solid decade before it metastasized into the cancer we know today, where random anons will cheer for one another's deaths as if we're in an actual civil conflict rather than simply disagreeing on some shit.
The "temperature" appears to be adjustable, (you) and I aren't in control of the thermostat, at least beyond what we're doing now and sharing thoughts for insight.

>>516079895
>I think we had the brewings of a cross-party class war during the OWS era after the bailouts, and that was purposefully derailed and redirected into the fucked up culture war we see today.
This is the kind of thing that needs to be repeated and posted up all over the city you live in. It's so fundamental about our state right now.

>>516074318
I'm sorry that happened to you.

Even though we are all literally in Hell and society is collapsing into total chaos, everyone is too depressed and demoralized to give a shit or enact real change

There is no point to voting, because no matter who you vote for the System will ensure the status quo remains 1:1 with how it was in the previous administration
There is no point to education, because degrees no longer matter, the white collar industry is dead and professors care more about indoctrination than teaching
There is no point to dating, because the gender war has become so critical that most men are terminally alone and most women are okay with being single moms or spinsters
There is no point to consuming entertainment, because all of it is terrible. Movies suck, games suck, music sucks, anime suck, YouTube sucks, everything is just content now
There is no point to self-improvement, because genetics and childhood trauma impact your entire life and you cannot do anything besides cope about things getting better
There is no point to saving money or starting a family or trying to own a home or get a stable career or make a name for yourself, because the West only wants to outsource all of this

People constantly tell me I am in a negative mindset, meanwhile everyone outside is shambling around like the living dead. Tempers are shorter than ever, IQs are lower than ever, no one knows how to control their emotions and tribalism is at an all time high. Humanity has literally regressed back into a hunter-gatherer mindset despite progressivism, but we have zero of the freedom or physical advantages afforded to cavemen.
Reality is now converging with the Mouse Utopia and Stanford Prison Experiment. 80-20 is taken as law. Jews run every sector of the world. Fractional reserve banking won't ever go away. Narcissism and ironic detachment are the norm. War won't ever end.
I don't know what to do anymore because I'm just one guy. I have no power, no motivation, I'm just a husk like everyone else

>>516081309
Old repost, but relevant image to the topic at hand

>>516075419
Reframing this a little.

This table is really about where you derive truth from and what you're willing to do about it.

>>516074819
Unfortunately this is reality. People have no idea and tend to think that most people are inherently good

>>516074044 (OP)
>- Conservatives are optimists who feel bad about themselves (it's all my fault)
What the fuck are you talking about, you faggots constantly bitch and whine about how niggers, jews, trannies, and marxists are ruining western civilization and da huwite race. Conservatives only pull out the "muh personal responsibility" card when someone else has a complaint that they don't personally care about or might require prosocial behavior from them to solve.

>>516082134
4chan isn't a conservative site. Hope this helps.