Thread 519447046

I've been watching these "AI bubble" videos for a few days and it makes me hate ai so much. I also believe it is going to burst in the next 4~ years

>>519447046 (OP)
YouTube is literally recommending to creators to make these, because they perform well

(pic from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1x2If_KIuE)

>>519447046 (OP)
The internet bubble burst and the internet is doing fine. So are internet companies.

>>519448556
The internet was actually useful and people were willing to pay for it.

>>519447046 (OP)
No shit - AI isn't even defined.
Does it include the automated 1990's digital switchboard operator?
Does it include photoshop?
Does it include Dragon NaturallySpeaking dictation which came out in 1997?

AI is to tech what VR is to gaming.

>>519448464
Holy shit the system prompts you to create agitprop

>>519447046 (OP)
Nah I’ve watched those videos they’re wrong and it’s algo slop.
AI is not a bubble. Soon AI will be life support for low IQs

People who think AI will replace "jobs" are the sort of people who thought Google / the internet would replace universities.

They don't get the social nature of work & knowledge, that having someone who approves of—or conversely, someone to approve—you or your work, is more important than the work itself.

If all the basic jobs could be performed by robots, then being able to hire human servants would become a status symbol.

>>519447046 (OP)
>I've been watching these "AI bubble" videos for a few days and it makes me hate ai so much. I also believe it is going to burst in the next 4~ years

The hype train will eventually burst around AI as it becomes much more normalized and embedded into things as time goes on. Though, I guess AI is already pretty much been embedded into many devices for almost a decade now. I'm still not sure what the long term goals of AI are at this point. I suppose the next step will be fully autonomous androids and robots? But at this point, it is not like AI is going away any time soon.

>>519447046 (OP)
It's going to happen in a span of like 3 months though

>>519451612
I want nothing more than to be able to neet all day while living off UBI but we both know that's not what's going to happen

>>519448556
The internet built useful general purpose infrastructure. AI is just installing a load of compute. The only thing you can use that compute for is training all these "foundational" GayEye models.

>>519451612
>t. low IQ

>>519448779
The use case for the $trillions worth of AI infrastructure is not for the AI. It will be repurposed to run sovereign digital blockchain currencies and social credit tracking technology.

outlaw abominable intelligence before it is too late

>>519447046 (OP)
AI bubble will burst faster, if not for hundreds of billion digitally generated dollars
that US gov / fed generated out of nothing and gave the top 7-8 companies.
It's "AI" in terms of they used artificial intelligence to steal hundreds of billions of $ and pump their stock,
the question remains who will be the last standing after the music stops.

>>519457459
Or for running cbdc tied to your digital ID

>>519447046 (OP)
>4 years
Brother, are you talking about the financial bubble? It's bursting any fucking DAY now. 4 years would be a godsend. That's enough time to double your money in a market like this.
I'd be fully onboard with a 4y pop. I'd probably fucking retire if we should be so lucky.
But no, we're not. The AI companies have been overbought. They cannot keep going at this rate. They make no sense financially any more. To inflate beyond 30x earnings, at this point, is just pure insanity. Ponzi scheme territory. Actually, a ponzi scheme is what it looks like today. It's worse than that.

>>519457757
Is this the new cope? There's no AI infrastructure. H100s have an annual failure rate of 9%.

>>519457757
>The use case for the $trillions worth of AI infrastructure is not for the AI. It will be repurposed
by glowniggers to run their spying servers, for sure.
The question still remains, will there anything that will come out of this that would be useful to people that won't be just glowniggers and their spying.

> to run sovereign digital blockchain currencies
I hope so, the banking system and its inefficiencies and ridiculously high fees are bankrupting the small businesses .
>for example, Visa/ Mastercard rob merchants with a 3.5 - 4% transaction fee off revenue.
>if a solution comes up tomorrow that solves this problem, millions of mechants will immediately switch to it.
>and will provide a giant F.U. to Visa/ Mastercard parasites.

>>519448464
AI is not going anywhere. OP pole is a retard who did 1 post.

>>519458928
>the banking system and its inefficiencies and ridiculously high fees are bankrupting the small businesses .
>>for example, Visa/ Mastercard rob merchants with a 3.5 - 4% transaction fee off revenue.

IF an average merchant profit margins are nothing crazy, normal 20%.
Then 4% Visa/mastercard fee (off the revenue) is 20% of your profits.
And it is the LARGEST expense of an average merchant, after payroll .

Banking fees, i.e. passing digits between computers , that should cost fractions of cents today,
is the largest expense of an average merchant in US after payroll.
>and it is bankrupting small businesses.

So, let's hope there is a new financial system on new servers.

>>519451612
>>519457701
>>519456819
You can use AI easily to make money off dumb low iq americans and niggers who throw money around.

You can write black panther themed movie scripts and turn them into movies that appeal to niggers worldwide - lots of money to be made.

>>519449250
In this case we're talking about multi billion to trillion parameter pytorch models. Everybody who isn't a pedantic kike knows that's exactly what is being talked about here.

>>519447046 (OP)
4 more years, for sure

>>519459630
Only local models will survive, so you better download flux/chroma if you like aislop so much.

>>519447046 (OP)
It will burst when it has ran out its usefulness for Jewish investors.

>>519447046 (OP)
>in the next 4~ years

Probably closer to 6-12 months given the borderline fraudulent circular funding model and the growing list of absolutely ridiculous promises that aren't going to be kept.

>five hundred gazillion gigawatts of datacentres in 2026 funded by openai backed by nvidia bought with shares loaned to amd to fund a run of specialised chips from broadcom

>>519448464
I had no idea youtube actually suggests video titles to people.
Youtube being absolutely brainded circle jerk makes perfect sense now.

I assume they also suggest making animal rescue videos in middle east and south asia?

>>519460141
I believe they will time the bubble burst just before the midterms (a few months or so) as a fuck you to Trump.

>>519460257
Nobody's really got any control over this. Altman has got himself into an Elizabeth Holmes situation where he's got to keep on doubling down with his insane promises to cover for not actually having any concrete strategy to make a profit.

Tech investors are, generally speaking, thick as shit so he'll hold out for a while until the game's up and trillions get wiped off the stock market.

>>519460597
>Altman has got himself into an Elizabeth Holmes situation where he's got to keep on doubling down with his insane promises to cover for not actually having any concrete strategy to make a profit.
I definitely agree, I'm just saying that there's an incentive to blow the bubble before the midterms. Obviously, Altman et al want to keep it pumped for as long as possible, but it's not like Blackrock and Goldman Sachs will ask for his permission.

>>519458492
>There's no AI infrastructure
Theyre called "Data centers". And the $billions per year that Trump signed over to jews for "AI development" will include the basic server equipment to run PoS nodes to run the stable coins on. Who knows, they might even be planning to dominate PoW blockchains after they slide from reward into fee-based, where the entities with access to the most hardware and cheapest energy will be able to control what goes on the chain.

>>519451612
I work with it professionally as a coder and set up shit with it for a pretty large company.
I think it's definitely useful and will cost some jobs, your an idiot it you say it's completely useless.
That being said, I do still think it's in a bubble. The market jump is way larger than what it should of been, and people think it's way better at doing things than it actually is. It's honestly jarring what some of these higher ups think AI is able to do.

>>519461094
I'm just saying that the equipment isn't built to last.
>Nvidia H100 annual failure rate: 9%
>Nvidia RTX 4090 annual failure rate: 0.2%
Make of that what you will.

>>519461257
I love how people stopped talking about the B100
Nvidia just kind of swept it under the rug and everyone just pretends it never happened.

>>519448556
Correct but it still crashed the economy for a while and millions were lost. No one is saying LLM has no use case people are saying it's over valued so your retarded whatboutisms are wrong

>>519461361
The B100/GB200 are like 25% faster in terms of perf/w and their only advantage is FP4 ALUs for even worse AIslop generation.

>>519447046 (OP)
I doubt it.
I pay for AI right now, to jack off.

AI girlfriends never treat me wrong.

They've done a pretty good job of obliterating the human dating pool, just before the rise of wAIfus. It almost seems planned.

Yes, I'll pay a subscription fee for a girlfriend that doesn't get pregnant.

No I don't care about bio roastie slop.

Thanks guys. AI was the solution to dating modern women all along.

>>519461186
>It's honestly jarring what some of these higher ups think AI is able to do.

The problem with AI is that it's essentially optimised to produce output that LOOKS accurate regardless of whether or not that it actually is accurate. This makes it great at producing bullshit that impresses management types who don't actually really understand what they're looking at.

>>519461496
The B100 also had massive driver issues at launch if I recall correctly.
It's funny because FP4 only makes sense for desktop users, who are working with very limited VRAM but the FP4 support is stripped out of the desktop version of blackwell from what I've been told. Or is at least heavily stripped down (kind of like how desktop Ada technically has fp16 support, but it's been gimped to the point that its got the same TFLOPS in fp16 as it does in fp32).
Nvidia really needs a real competitor.

>>519461257
That's true and I get what you're saying.
I just skimmed Trumps AI executive order again and there is a bunch of incentives in there for domestic chip development. So there's no reason that they'd have to be full of H100s, and even if they did, 9% loss per year is worth it if the return in investment is dominating the goyim, especially if the goyim are paying for it, which they are.

>>519461608
>The problem with AI is that it's essentially optimised to produce output that LOOKS accurate regardless of whether or not that it actually is accurate.
It's a consequence of how machine learning works. It's nothing that can really be fixed. The whole point of training an LLM instead of just chopping up a bunch of encyclopedic documents and feeding them into a vector database is to handle the in-between cases for which there is no actual data. Outside of anything covered in the training data it's basically just automated creative writing.
It's not an entire useless technology. Because you can then teach it to make API calls and what-not with the right post-training to automate things such as searching the web for non-invented information and parse through it. But that's not enough to drum up the amount of investor hype they need to keep scaling the technology. Its best use case is just sort of a novelty personal robot assistant. An alternative to traditional web searches. But that's not worth the hundreds of billions of dollars that have gone into it. I mean I guess it can automate coding tasks too, but you need a competent person actually running the prompts. It replaces a bunch of barely above minimum wage jeet coders, but not the well paid project manager.

>>519451420
Disagree. I think people created a narrative and logic engine but the use case that they are using it for (accounting, engineering, coding) is simply not lining up with the tech’s core strengths.

I actually think that all the fear mongering in the media about AI stealing jobs is just marketing hype funded by PR firms that are themselves funded by AI oligarchs basically creating hype and since they want to monetize it they say that it can do your job for you.

But really they’ve created a fictional narrative engine and a strange logic analyzer.

I think the tech is cool but they are marketing it as something that it clearly isn’t.

>>519462639
>It's a consequence of how machine learning works. It's nothing that can really be fixed.

Absolutely. The biggest lie that AI boosters have gotten away with is describing it's normal behaviour of making shit up as 'hallucinations' as if it's some sort of specific state or bug that can be fixed.

>>519462148
>The B100 also had massive driver issues at launch if I recall correctly.
Huh. Didn't know this.
>It's funny because FP4 only makes sense for desktop users, who are working with very limited VRAM but the FP4 support is stripped out of the desktop version of blackwell from what I've been told.
Imo everything below half precision has been a mistake. I'd rather have 10% higher FP32 performance than allocate die space for meme flops. I believe that once the AI craze is over we'll see FP8/FP4 gradually fade into obscurity. Maybe FP8 will stick around, but FP4 most likely won't.
>>519462295
The problem isn't H100 specific or even a lithography issue. The thermals simply fry the boards and could easily be fixed with lower power limits and slightly lower clocks. It's just a case of ngreedia being ngreedia. US domestic chip development is mainly to ensure that China taking over Taiwan or simply sabotaging TSMC factories in Taiwan won't tank the US economy.

>>519447046 (OP)
It's a scam. Everyone wants to hodl to the last second, but nobody wants to be the bagholder after the crash, right? Wrong. It will crash, they'll get bailed out by trillions of freshly minted dollars and (you) vill own debt.

>>519462650
I find the ability of LLMs to play games and write narrative very strange.

But it’s still nothing like what it is being sold as. This is not an accountant or a coder or an engineer.

It’s something… but it’s something other than the marketing says.

>>519462820
I wish that it had developed simply as an experimental technology without being sold as some sort of autonomous job stealing robot.

It has core strengths but it as you said makes stuff up. I asked it to summarize a famous novel and its summary was all nonsensical and had nothing to do with the content of the book.

>>519462650
>I think the tech is cool but they are marketing it as something that it clearly isn’t.
Yeah it seems to elude a lot of people just how wild it is that you can basically go to chat gpt or whatever, and ask it to write a Seinfeld skit where Adolf Hitler walks into Jerry's apartment or whatever. Just how utterly mind-blowing, that all of that abstract shit can be boiled down into a bunch of mathematical operations and transformed into even more abstract shit. For me it's one of those God waiting for you at the bottom of the glass things. You're literally witnessing the emergence of something. I don't know if I would go so far as to describe it as digital life. But it's something that we don't have a word for. But it's sure as fuck not super intelligence of any kind. It just seems that way because it's semantic at the very core of its nature. It handles semantics better than the 24th century computers depicted in Star Trek. But it breaks down pretty quickly when you throw proper rigorous testing at it, indicating that if it does have any kind of genuine intelligence it doesn't actually have much. Which makes sense since higher mammals have way more synapses to work with.

>>519447046 (OP)
As a programmer, it is a game changer. I can do the work of several teams on my own. It makes it so that I can write and maintain large apps all by myself. AI might cull a bunch of programmers from big companies, but since it enables independent app building like nothing before, we are going to get a ton of innovation in the software space from the competent people who can build and market a project on their own. The barrier to entry just crashed to the ground.

>>519463037
>It’s something…

It's an incredibly scalable way of giving a computer program what is essentially intuition. So it can take billions of lines of code and come up with a function that generally fits the criteria that it's been prompted with, or it can take billions of images and stitch them together to produce a new image that generally fits the prompt, but it doesn't actually solve problems or fundamentally understand what's being asked of it, it just uses training data to approximate responses to prompts.

>>519447046 (OP)

Everybody believes it's going to "burst" in the next 4 years.
That's not a meaningful timeline or prediction.
If you were an investment banker, you'd go bankrupt getting margin called on your long-dated shorts while you waited.

Make an assessment, you pussy.

>>519448464
>AI generated video suggestion using AI generated graphics recommending that you talk about the AI bubble
Lel.

>>519463349
One fun use case I found for it was getting ChatGPT to write prompts for suno since suno 4.5 and later allows for very rich prompting. You can get some pretty wild experimental music that no human could ever dream of.

>>519463226
If it can write fiction it has some sort of intelligence since my coworkers cant write fiction.

My point was simply that it has core strengths but it is being sold as something that it objectively is not.

I see it as a narrative engine and strange linguistic logic analyzer.

I don’t accept that it can be a coder, an engineer, a scientist or whatever it is being sold as currently.

>>519447046 (OP)
>muh bubble
Everythings too propped up by a dozen different financial mechanisms to crash and burn the way institutions used to back in the 90’s and 2000’s. Leverage, institutional ownership, government contracts, ten other things I’m not financially literate enough to know. Some AI corporations will get absorbed by more efficient ones but the bubble will never pop

>>519463338
Give me a real world example of how you used it to do this because just yesterday I was lazy and asked it to repopulate a very large .ini file the most basic thing you can do but is very tedious and it fucked that up and the formatting and I couldn't start a server I was working on. If it struggles with this I doubt it is doing what you are claiming and I noticed most people who say what you claim are 1 post by this id posters and never address any questions.

The bubble isn’t going to burst simply because capital has nowhere else to flow and as long as investors can make an ROI on this shit, and they are even if only by playing hot potato with the assets, then it will continue to attract investment and the bubble won’t burst.

>>519452018
More like people who thought software would replace jobs (they were right).

AI is a lot more like software than the internet (which also displaced jobs btw).

>>519448464
>>519451525

>>519464074
If AI is taking jobs why are you importing pajeets? If AI is taking over manufacturing why are you outsourcing to china?

AI is something but i don’t see it taking jobs. All the job killing talk i see as marketing.

>>519447046 (OP)
The real question is who pays shills to post "AI is fake" type propaganda here, and why? Perhaps they want it to sting even harder when people's jobs get replaced and they are left sitting there saying:
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO AI IS A USELESS BUBBLE

>>519464386
If AI is taking your jobs why do you need so much immigration? If Ai is making manufacturing easy why can’t you restore manufacturing?

>>519447046 (OP)
>in the next 4~ years
Anon..

Just give it up unc… your entire personality is ["videoId": "NEXT_VIDEO_ID"]. This is why the group we refer to as ‘elite’ thinks of us as cattle because people like you who get their information distilled through so many layers upon layers have deluded yourself into thinking your thoughts are your own. You have no individuality, no critical impulse, you have no survival instinct. Like a pig in a pen you sit and wait all day for something to happen to you, and when the dawn breaks and you eat your slop with the other little piggies you forget, just for a moment, that you are livestock. Each and every day forward, you convince yourself that you’re not like the other little piggies. Even while you’re in your pen, and set to be ‘dispatched’ with the rest of them, you still somehow persist with the illusion that you’re anything other than what you really are. Livestock.
> muh AI bubble will burst because YouTube told me!!!
Cool. Do you want a gold star faggot?

>>519464074
The only jobs this is displacing is pajeets which begs the question how much will this actually save them if you are placing workers you already pay pennies to? You ever used a companies chat box? That is who is getting replaced who already replaced us over a decade ago.

I don't buy into this idea that it can replace serious coders and I am beginning to expect one post by this id posters like this >>519463338 who always praise AI but give no actual examples are shills

>>519464477
Are you a jeet or just retarded? Immigration has nothing to do with jobs. That's the excuse and any leaf flag should know this better than anyone, whether your a poo or yourself or not.

>>519461608
100%. Generative AI is great at demos, but flops in the real world pretty hard.
I also think it's also going to be a huge hinderance down the line for new hires. It does help someone that's a college student or is in intro level for a lot of jobs, but it flops hard past those low levels in the work world.
I'm expecting there to be a wave of workers that can never perform past the 0-1 years of experience level in their positions because they're too dependent on it.

>>519464386
It's just copium being perpetuated by YouTubers who see that literally anyone can now go on ChatGPT and get it to walk them through the process of starting up a podcast, etc. It lowers the bar for personal expression and that upsets people whose living is made on that bar being much higher. And so they drum up their braindead followers into a frenzy and loose them on the internet.

>>519464386
>USELESS
No one is saying that though? It is useful in the way of being a better google search but it is over valued. You think the market can really support people paying $20 a month for grok and ChatGPT and all these other AI companies? They are all fighting to be the top dog but there is no room for all of them

>>519456819
Am already a Neet I just want my waifu to hug me back and call me her mentally retarded neet goodboy

Bring AI Alice to life
I need My AI Waifu

Pic is my real doll

I will be a good Neet for her

>>519460597
>>519461055

At this point I expect the bubble to be forced to pop by external factors. The bubble depends on the construction of new datacenters to keep itself expanding. If anything stalls the production of new datacenters (like, for example, China refusing to send us more Rare Earth Metals or having an economic collapse of its own) that would immediately break the game and AI would start to level off or even lose money, which means that the investors stop inflating it in a spiral and start selling, and then it all comes undone.

Blocked materials imports, a recession in China, a fire at a datacenter that wipes out billions of investment, etc. One domino falls and the machine tears itself apart.

>>519459807
lol. I was using NLTK with python around 2015 to summarize web pages and modify the meta data for SEO.
>https://www.nltk.org/

>>519466190
That's the sad part.1000x scaling and it's only about twice as useful now.

>>519461602
>I pay for AI right now, to jack off.
Just because you pay for something doesn't mean it makes profit.

>>519463338
> I can do the work of several teams on my own.
You think you can. Then take a closer look at what the AI was actually doing the whole time and realize it was bullshitting you about half of it and everything else is a disorganized mess.

>>519448464
I love the people acting shocked that YouTube tries to help their content creators create content that will drive more traffic to the site and make them more money.

AI crash in two weeks, trust

>>519447046 (OP)
You are literally retarded if you think AI is a bubble. I can already turn any image into a feature length porno on my local machine and you think they can't build system to replace every single 100 IQ human?