Thread 519513801

How do you guys feel about this? I think it is a big problem, and that it's rarely talked about in good faith and in a rational way, because people are idiots.

The left associates the topic with the far right and has been told by their masters that bringing it up is bad. The right blames the left even though it is a structural problem of developed societies, because that's how politics work. Politicians are doing the usual circus of "no THEY are not doing enough for fertility! vote for us and we will give money to daycare centers!" etc, as they have zero incentive to fix people's problems.

What's your take on this?

Eventually Europe will be just a bunch of old white people and either young african and middle eastern savages, or no one else, if they actually get all deported (it seems impossible right now, but you never know). And then it will be over as those old people die. And the world will basically be over and be just africans. No more civilization. The same is happening in latin america too as they become developed too.

What the fuck. How do we get european women to actually have children. They should be held accountable for this and put in farms to get raped and be constantly pregnant, in my opinion.

>>519513801 (OP)
Why are white cucks incapable of breeding. I see the same in this country. They have no kids. Meanwhile my people have lots of kids.

They sound like bullshit. Every millenial roastie has 2-4 kids. Othetwise we'd see cheap real estate

>>519513892

That's not a good thing because your people is vermin. We need high quality people to have children, do you understand that? It's actually worse if africans have a lot of children.

>>519513918
>Othetwise we'd see cheap real estate

That's because the immigrants create demand for real estate.

I went to latin america recently. People were much younger on average. It's real.

>>519513801 (OP)
It's only a problem because capitalist system requires constant growth to sustain itself. Close the borders, nuke all browns, let the population reach a healthy equilibrium.

>>519514052
We don't get that many immigrants though.

>>519514101
This is unbelievably fucking stupid. Capitalism doesn't require constant growth. Societies require constant births to sustain themselves, though.

>>519514101
btw

>let the population reach a healthy equilibrium.
its dying out

>>519513801 (OP)
>2003

I'm not a gambler. Thanks to new law, if my wife turned out to be snake, without any proof she could make call that I raped her, in the next 30minutes I would be in jail and she would have rights to all my house and my possesions, I would not be allowed to even take my meds with me and permamently lost all contact with any of my children.
People wonder why suicide ratio is 8 men to 1 woman in my country.

>>519514228
it does and we don't need a trillion of goymeats living in pods to 'exist'.

>>519513801 (OP)
Europe is extremely overpopulated, 10000x at least. No one wants to admit this. In the coming 15 years, AI will take all the productive jobs and all the bargaining power against rich elites, that isn't much already today. So it all depends on the will of the rich people. Do they want Europe as their private playground (which means you will get viruses, vaccines and depression until you MAID yourself), or do they want Europe destroyed and uninhabitable, brimming with diversity?

Reduce bureaucracy to facilitate the construction of new homes and offer affordable construction loans to couples who want to build a house.

>>519514257
now it's worse

>>519514364
okay i think i get your point. you're trying to say that capitalism should not demand constant growth of the economy, we should be ok just the way we are, and should not be forced to eat goyslop and live in pods?

well that's incredibly stupid because capitalism does not require constant growth, and under a free market no one would make you live in a pod (high housing prices are a result of regulations) or eat food you dont want (european bureaucrats are heavily sabotaging farmers and promoting that shit)

>>519513801 (OP)
Nobody wants to have kids so long as there are non-whites shitting up the place. And those who manage to have kids bring them into a world than only gets worse and needlessly so.

Also, at no point in history has a purportedly European country had a population where 30-50% of the population made up of afro-asiatics.

>>519513892
Diseased cells usually out-populate healthy cells provided they are not treated/destroyed.

>>519514455
>capitalism should not demand constant growth of the economy
The one that grows will rapidly be able to destroy the one that does not.
You would need to ban greedy sociopaths from positions of power globally.
This is the great filter, because with rising capability, the effort of preventing doomsday grows much faster than the effort of causing it.

>>519513801 (OP)
>record unemployment
>b-but we need even more people
Nah, literal non issue, less people is good thing for everyone but parasitic kikes

>>519514431

i agree, BUT, this doesnt solve the root of the problem

people actually had more children when living standards were worse than now, and poorer societies consistently have much better fertility. therefore, the root of the problem is something other than housing prices.

problems cant be truly resolved without addressing the root

>>519514528
this makes zero sense because many people live in white areas with no africans around, and fertility is still bad

>>519514431
Best we can do is 20x your net wage + tip of 100k for this moldy drywall cuckshed.

>>519513801 (OP)
FEMINISM KILLS FERTILITY: A 12 POINT REMEDY.
1. Modesty dress code for women (loose clothing, no skin visible below neck)
2. Mother's Cross awards (>3 kids bronze, >5 kids silver, >7 kids gold)
3. Marriage loans (no interest, 25% forgiven for each birth)
4. Grant fathers the right to veto their daughters' marriages
5. Grant businesses and academies the right to discriminate or segregate by sex
6. Send fornicators, adulterers, and sodomites into forced labor camps
7. Ban no-fault divorce, alimony, unequal custody and child support, and enforce paternity testing
8. Ban infant genital mutilation and vaccinations, baby formula, and umbilical cord clamping
9. Ban abortion, contraception, online dating platforms, and profiting from pornography
10. Ban tattooing, hair dying, body piercing, and introduce an obesity tax
11. Ban women from voting, holding public office, filing law suits, and jury duty
12. Ban women from owning property, signing contracts, or earning salaries without spousal permission

>>519514592

destroy? what are you talking about? you were talking about capitalism, what does commerce destroy?

>>519514610

except at some point the entire world will be a wasteland of niggers and the ruins of old civilizations of people who stopped having children

>>519513801 (OP)
It's not a problem if we could remove foreigners and politicians.
Having both a smaller population is good,less money greed is good for the country and the natural environment itself.

We don't need 70 million plus people here.

>>519513801 (OP)
You can pay me a travel to spain i know how to improve fertility rates, by force <_<

>>519514690
If you have superior capability, you can use that capability to make weapons and destroy another region that does not grow. The weapons may take the form of mechanical weapons, which is rare these days, mostly they are financial tools. For example, the non-growing region loses bargaining power against the growing region (growth=more options), so every tight situation can be abused to bleed the non growing region, which leads to alcoholism, suicides, infertility, and further decline.

>>519514629
I think the key here is not affordable housing in general but rather increasing home ownership of young(er) couples that do want to have children.

>>519514101
>capitalist system requires constant growth
That would be interest bearing loans and fractional reserve banking, both of which preceed "capitalism" and exist independently of it.

If ten people put ten dollars together, amounting to one hundred dollars, and you loan it out at 1%, someone is going to have to make up an extra dollar that doesn't exist.

Person A gives bank $100. Bank loans out $50 (50%) of Person A's money to Person B.
One year later, Person B pays back the $50 with 10% interest, the bank now has $105.
The bank gives Person A $102 (2% interest) for letting them borrow the money, the bank keeps $3 as profit.

Society of 10 people has 100 dollars circulating in total.
10 people take loans of $10 to afford $20 houses.
1.5% interest per annum = $10.5 in first year.
Best case scenario everyone pays back in first year.
1 person is guaranteed to be screwed over no matter what due to interest surpassing the total amount of money in existence.

Usury requires concomitant population growth, otherwise interest payments decrease if not cease the income streams of financial capital. Due to the use of interest bearing debt (borrowing capital), usury makes it mathematically inevitable that finance requires infinite growth. Either the population increases to support growing interest payments, or the banks implode.

>>519514676
based although half of that is not even related to the problem.

3. would actually help, but would not address the root of the issue anyway. because people actually had more children when europe was much poorer so it's not actually about needing housing or whatever.

9. would probably work

>>519514251
>its dying out
Not really. Anywhere from 100-500 million people on Earth is all that is necessary and desirable. Problem is the existence of verminous people.

>>519513801 (OP)
Birth rates are a complete non-issue. There was a massive population boom and the population has to go down sometimes. Be happy that there is a 1% drop in the population instead of genocide and mass starvation.
This entire topic is jewish. They use this topic to import shitskins by telling you that your people will go ''extinct'' because your population went from 1 billion to 999 million. It's complete retardation.
This topic is used as a red herring for right wingers to chase their tales talking about birth rates and how white people need to outbreed Indians. You can't outbreed them, it's a total red herring. You should focus entirely on keeping them out of your country and cutting any aid your country is sending to Africa and India.

>>519514431
We don't need to build more, just need to remove people and re-do what has been built.

>>519514455
well maybe purely free market would fix it, i don't know. Except that we don't have real free maket anywhere, just crony globohomo capitalism with focus on non stop stock growth. They lobby governments for more immigration to fill jobs and whatnot

>high housing prices are a result of regulations
even if you remove regulations, the vast amount of people would raise the prices anyway. You would live in a pod brecause there is not enough space in places where people actually want to live and can find jobs.

Same with food, farming requires space and as populations rises so does the cost of food. You will eat goyslop.

Turning every country into another India isn't a long term solution

>>519514629
>many people live in white areas with no africans around, and fertility is still bad
Maybe you should consider what exists beyond those secluded areas as well as the possibility that there may also be too many people there also.

>>519514827
Bulgaria is a shithole, corruption is out of control, you didnt manage to build a fucking freeway in 50 years (Hemus) and the politicians that stole the billions in Eau aid are still in charge, why do you guys hate yourself so much? Stupid fucks lol

>>519514979
For many people, home ownership is a prerequisite for starting a family.

>>519514966
Shut the fuck up europoor

>>519514834
Germany got 40% or so home ownership. This is a national catastrophe. The house prices force people into immobility, because moving costs 50 to 100k if you own. The house prices also enforce a focus on the real estate industry, which is a third world feature. All the effort for housing, searching a cheap rental home, working through all the legislation is lost time the country should use to research biotech or robots. A house should cost 3x a net salary or so at most, and moving should cost a day's average salary.

>>519514676
>no skin visible below neck
We need exposure to sunlight otherwise you turn into a degenerate prude with a shit immune system and poor bone health.

>>519514827

Honestly man i think that you're a midwit. You sound just like when high school kids debate politics. You need to understand what capitalism actually is and why the term is used in contraposition to socialism. You need to stick to facts when discussing politics and be precise in terms of the definition of words and concepts. Otherwise it's all stupid blabbing.

Capitalism does not require "constnat growth". Capitalism is not "when some people are rich and others are poor", for example so many people get rich from tax money or legal monopolies (i know you didn't say this but it's the same mindset). Capitalism is not about war but about trade.

Countries don't get invaded by virtue of not growing, because a society could have massive economic growth and invest in what people need instead of the military and still be militarily weak. Look at how powerful the Soviet Union was militarily and how poor and miserable it was.

>>519513801 (OP)
I think it's a dumb name because it has nothing to do with fertility and everything with willingness to reproduce

also stripping women off education and work will 100% fix this

>>519515084
No women anywhere WANT kids, faggot boomer simp. Kys. Tryna pretend women are subconsciously noble and stop birthing only to save mother earth or some shit, LMFAO

>>519514944
That's some boomer shit, I remember people saying that when I went to school. "muh overpopulation" is such a fucking meme, the world is fucking running out of people. We will be at that number very soon if you don't count lesser races, and will uncontrollably keep decreasing until there's no people.

>>519515084
normies dont care about any of that

>>519515101
and it's physically impossible to continue populating an increasingly finite space while fighting over dwindling resources simply because there are too many people

>>519515152
probably not because they had the same problem in ancient rome and women had no rights. the husbands even locked them up kek

>>519515184
>the world is fucking running out of people.
When Spain had a population of 5 million, did they run out of people back then?

>>519513801 (OP)
Turdoid, white lives are less valuable than cancer cells, white lives don't matter at all.

Europe and japan will be exterminated completely, and all slavs will be genocided because slavs and whites are dumber than cancer.

>>519515361
no because they kept having children

>>519513801 (OP)
imagine wanting to raise kids in a world of niggers shitskins and muslims. none of these groups can innovate.

Just throwing that in here, because I think it's an interesting anecdote that I heard yesterday: Some people are joining forces to establish “communes” (more "trad" communes than hippie communes), especially in more rural areas that are less developed but offer affordable land, etc., and they are working together to turn them into functioning villages, which in turn attract like-minded people. The idea behind this is also to build communities with a high level of trust, where, among other things, raising and caring for children is a shared responsibility. Thoughts on that?

>>519513801 (OP)

> What's your take on this?

It's a natural expression of deranged nihilistic selfishness of the modern world and will lead to its eventual collapse. It will happen everywhere in due time but it's especially fast in societies without any social/economic reward for having kids.

Because in the modern world, having a child is a massive burden for which you only get punished by the culture and state, made fun of by "childfree" gluttons who benefit from newer generations of workers, lovers, food producers etc.

>>519513801 (OP)
No one will ever admit that having women in higher education and having them go for a career means children postponed beyond 30 yo.
That would not be a problem in itself, a shrinking population means more space, more available housing, a lot of conditions that would make a rebound easy. Too bad we have to pay into the boomer pension pyramid scheme and that they will never let housing be cheap because muh markets, so they'll try to fix it by importing infinity shitskins(with a bonus effect of ethnic substitution) and we will go on like this until.everything is so fucked the toy breaks. Structural changes are not on the menu.

>>519515335
>had the same problem in ancient rome
huh?
their population constantly grew until they lost to Goths and were genocided

>>519515248
There is lots of space in rural areas but people are forced to live in the cities.

>>519515393
That's not it, plenty of people don't live around niggers and muslims, and they're still not having children

>>519515413
This is unfathomably based. And I think so many people would be interested in joining.

The only problem is, governments will try to crush those communes, because they are trad.

>>519515486
i saw on twitter that they had this problem, idk what ended up happening, but at least at the height of the empire they were struggling with this, maybe it changed later idk

>>519513801 (OP)
Women rights were are mistake.

>>519513801 (OP)
>How do you guys feel about this?
I took myself out of the equation so i give 0 fucks. I hope that your children end up as a shit steet cleaner caste with pajeet overlords.

>>519513801 (OP)
>>519515751

>>519515647
so you are just spouting twitter crap?
ok
take a look at this instead

>>519515390
So if Spain somehow lost 40 million today, there would still be more Spaniards than there have ever been throughout the entire history of Iberia.

All I'm saying is that certain people need to be removed or killed. Birth rates adjust to the environment.

>>519515500
And if all those people in the cities moved to rural areas they would turn them into cities.

>>519514980
>Same with food, farming requires space and as populations rises so does the cost of food. You will eat goyslop.
You know that animal farming is responsible for the vast majority of land use, right? The obvious solution is to stop consuming animal products and eat only what you call "goyslop".
>inb4 regenerative grazing
It reaches a co2 saturation point fairly quickly and then you're back where you started.
>inb4 eat insects
It's still more efficient to just eat the plants directly.
>inb4 I have (or want to have) my own little farm with a few animals
>inb4 I'm a hunter
Obviously not scalable to 10 billion people. But, sure, if I your plan includes a massive, planet-wide 99% genocide, it might work out.

>>519513801 (OP)
Every empire collapses when it starts blaming women and immigrants for macroeconomic trends. Fertility rates drop when rent, food, and job security make child-rearing impossible — not because of feminism or melanin.

You don’t fix demographics by forcing births; you fix them by making a future worth having kids in.

Funny how the people whining about “civilization dying” never contribute to it beyond posting graphs.

>>519516255
>You know that animal farming is responsible for the vast majority of land use, right? The obvious solution is to stop consuming animal products and eat only what you call "goyslop".
You do know that at least 2/3rds of all farmland on Earth is marginal land, not arable land, right?

>It reaches a co2 saturation point fairly quickly and then you're back where you started.
It's not about C02, it's about rebuilding soil organic matter. Increasing the carbon content of soil at 1% per acre will allow that acre to hold an additional 80,000 to 100,000 litres of moisture. The difference between soil and desert is 5% worth of carbon. At 1% it is desertified, and at 3% or below the microbes and fungi are dying off.

>>519516520
>you fix them by making a future worth having kids in.
And now the only future worth having kids in is one where non-whites don't exist, especially now that their third world empire is imploding under its own weight as the blame White people for everything they have wrought.

>>519513801 (OP)
the lower the population, the better.
nobody is able to give actual logical arguments for why a country would want a big population.

the lower the fertility rate, the better.
nobody can prove me wrong.

>>519513801 (OP)
>New whiteness map just dropped
Love how places filled to the brim with shitskins are red/pink. This does nit bode well, but it is still funny how nobody cares what immigration is doing.

>>519516575
>muh white
You are done milking that cow to the death cletus.

>>519516531
>You do know that at least 2/3rds of all farmland on Earth is marginal land, not arable land, right?
The majority of grown crops are fed to animals. It's extremely inefficient. If you remove the animals from the equation you can produce a lot more food.
>It's not about C02, it's about rebuilding soil organic matter.
When you get rid of animal farming you can do extensive rewilding which is obviously better on all metrics. Yes, nature needs plenty of large ruminants, but just don't farm them.

>>519514364
This, my country at peak power had 1 million people at most. It's the same story for a lot of Europe. We have more people and yet they're worse in every way.

>let women vote and go into politics
it all went downhill from there and kikes knew it

>>519517205
>The majority of grown crops are fed to animals.
False. Take s-o-y.

80% of all onions does not go to *insert livestock*. It's 80% of each basedbean, because a basedbean by weight is 20% oil. After the oil is extracted, the basedbean husks are fed to livestock as a by-product, which only exists in the first place after the oil is extracted for human consumption. Basedbean husks are a fibrous, non-edible, toxic by-product called basedbean meal, which is derived from drenching the crushed basedbeans in hexane. Cattle are also fed another toxic by-product from corn syrup and ethanol called distiller’s corn.

A 60 lb bushel of basedbeans yields 11 lbs of oil, 48 lbs of meal, and 1 lb of hexane contaminated waste. In general, basedbean oil produces about 3x the profit of basedbean meal.

In the US alone, 180 million acres goes to corn and basedbeans. 29 million acres of it goes directly to livestock, leaving 151 million acres going to humans. 14% of all basedbeans grown in the US go directly to humans and livestock. 7% to humans and 7% to livestock.

90% of all basedbeans grown on this planet are extracted for their oil. 100% of that extracted oil is for human consumption. 1.9% of all onions production is consumed directly by cattle, cattle used for beef specifically consume 0.5% and those for dairy consume 1.4% of that overall 1.9%.

No less than 85% of all livestock feed is not suitable for human consumption since it's industrial waste leftover from the processing of plant crops, be it the stem, leaves and other inedible parts of a given plant, which are almost entirely grown in the first place for human consumption.

The figures often shown to claim otherwise display the yield of plants, like onions from a crop field, as a percentage of its edible materials for humans. These figures are intended to show waste via crop production as the responsibility is passed onto the meat industry, whose animals clean up the mess.

>>519514178
You clearly haven't been to Tallin in the last 5-6 years. Indians and Africans are EVERYWHERE.

>>519517205
>If you remove the animals from the equation you can produce a lot more food.
They already do that. Now consider how many animals are killed not just by the ploughing and the harvesting process, but by the mining of the phosphorus, the mining of the potassium, the production of synthetic nitrogen, all the fertilizers, fungicides, herbicides, pesticides and their run-offs, the trappings, the cullings, the anti-coagulant rodenticides, the secondary poisonings, and so on.

Within the US, 35 million cattle are slaughtered every year. Within the same year, 670 million birds are exposed to pesticides on US agricultural lands, and 10% (67 million) of those birds are killed by said pesticides.

All that and more just to grow what you deem to be "food".

>When you get rid of animal farming you can do extensive rewilding which is obviously better on all metrics.
You clearly haven't worked in agriculture. In order to grow the shit you're referring to, you have to decimate entire ecosystems just to produce one type of plant crop.

>>519517554
Britain was at its peak when it had 8 million or less. Australia went to shit the moment it breached 15 million.

>>519517554
None of you chuds seem to grasp that you all work in "service economies" that do in fact depend on a growing number of warm blooded goyim to consoom. It's not just the labor supply side, it's the domestic consumer demand side that immigrant families provide just as they did as colonies.

>>519517969
durka durka muhammad jihad

>>519517841
Tallinn can tongue my anus. And even when i have to drive through Tallinn, i don't see that many wolt/bolt couriers and other curry munchers. They don't get gibs here and go to Germany to their friends and relatives. Shitskins can't endure our endless suffering

>>519517969
>domestic consumer demand side
ah yes all that cooooooooonsume when they send all their money from Germany to their inbred family in Shiptaristan and Baznia
yes yes, many consumers

>>519517969
Remember that your prophet serviced the zutt his asshole before you come here talking to us, your prophets asshole consumed their cum

>>519513801 (OP)
Influx of foreigners leads to lower birthrates.
Trying to use the cause to fix its effect is counterproductive

>>519514101
the problem is not that it isn't growing, the problen is it's shrinking
so you will have a lower quality of life in all aspects because you didn't have children to do the labour required

>>519518252
no you retard you dont need to shit out 15 children to work on the farm anymore
Industrial societies have 0,5%-1% people doing agroculture
Small, tiny minority of craftsmen work and pay taxes rest work in jewish daycare, especialy women adding nothing to value

>>519513801 (OP)
At least post some actual data, geez.

What I think about this? Well, lots of thougts.
But to make it short:

1) Not only Europe. The worst off are east Asians. Apparently this is more or less a global problem, but it appears in different cultures little bit differently. East Asians are being extreme example, as in any other fields of statistics. Africans and MENA people, on the other hand, are being more "conservative", but still in the trend.

2) In general, this shouldn't be a huge problem. Less people shouldn't mean shit. The problem is our economic model of our industrial society. All the rules, that we took for granted, that we build since industrial revolution and implemented them en mass after WWII - they need to be rethink. It's about adaptation. But our globalistic society does not want to adapt. Why? Because back to demography - we are in gerontocracy model. We build a society that benefits just one generation of people. And instead of moving forward and starting to benefit also another generation, we just made it stuck just to one group of people, forever, until they die off. Boomers will bring this society to collapse, they need to drain the society. Until the very end.
Now, the adaptiation strategy doesn't work and instead we, the millenials and zoomers and younger, we need to implement the resilience strategy.

3) Last but not least - as we are on /pol/, you are probably trying to raise up worries about race and nationality and culture and other bullshit. Well, I have good news for you, you don't need to worry.
No immigrants will want to come to economically dying countries.
There are more serious threats for culture identities. And the most serious is alienation of younger generations. You want to make your nation to lose the culture? Well then the best strategy is - alienate the youngs. And that is exactly what is happening.

>>519518360
nobody is saying 15 children, just simply being at replacement level would be enough (1.7) to sustain your society

>>519518238
This is not how it works at all...

>>519518079
What's wrong with that? If they're working it's their money, it's fair.

>>519517969
This is so, so fucking stupid. Consumption needs production first. To say the economy needs people to consoom is like saying poor people need to eat more and then they will have more food.

>>519518416
>to sustain your society
noo marketing agents are essential for your quality of life, import 5 billion pakistanis so you cant skip add on youtube while you are on your shitter having cramps from all the goyslop youve been eating your whole life
societal collapse incoming

>>519518466
or you know, heathcare. if nobody had children then no doctors.

>>519518428
>This is not how it works at all...
It is though. You've already got such a big nose so don't try to further increase its size through lying.
Import millions of foreign workers -> wages go down -> people can't afford to make babies -> birthrates and total population start shrinking -> some jew puppet says if you import more foreigners the population numbers and GDP will both go up -> retards do it

>>519518428
>What's wrong with that? If they're working it's their money, it's fair.
Everything
They come steal jobs, work underpayed, destroy society, suck out all wealth generated back home to their sinkhole shithole and that is IF they even work in the first place, instead they leech every possible opportunity for gibs
Gypsies in Serbia literally shit out 8 children and even baptise them in orthodox churches just so they can collect government gibs for more children while little tsigani grow up to become menace to society and social lost causes leeching even more money kek
so no, growing population with human waste isnt good

>>519518635
your arguments would be valid under these points:

1) your country must not be a shithole
2) your people must not do the exact same in Austria and Germany and Switzerland

>>519513801 (OP)
Three times more people are born in Nigeria than in the entirety of Europe
It's over

>>519514178
>>519517841

>>519513801 (OP)
I have seen a lot of people refer to Europe as a giant retirement home and I think that's spot on

>>519513801 (OP)
>The left associates the topic with the far right and has been told by their masters that bringing it up is bad.
There is almost nothing else on the news since this year tho.

>>519514101
>capitalist system requires constant growth to sustain itself
You mean the socialist welfare state

>>519513801 (OP)
not my problem

>>519518502
cant wait to be treated by public healthcare from imported retards where cow urine is still used in medicinal practice
USA needs ton of doctors to keep obese niggers alive so they can leech welfare longer
In Serbia we need doctors to treat little tsigani when they blow up their hand with firecracker
>>519518710
>1) your country must not be a shithole
Its not
I live better than large parts of Londonistan lmao
>2) your people must not do the exact same in Austria and Germany and Switzerland
Do what, i literally build German hospital from here you retarded analbanian human waste
go back to toilet workstation pronto

>>519514431
>nooo muh bureaucracy boohooo

you have been brainwashed to think that the government is the problem, while in fact it's the hoarders (those who finance the propaganda you believe in) that are the problem.
You can build billion new houses and flats in Germany, and the price and affordability for young families wouldn't drop a penny. All would be bought by boomer investors.

>>519513801 (OP)
My thought in this is: replacement must the avoided at all costs. So we'll have to remigrate people in stages.

The overly low birth rate itself is much harder to solve, no matter what chuds here say, it's the sum total of the culture that dictates it. There's no simple solution.

>>519513801 (OP)
I think thats a good thing. Especially as a germtard I was taught from early childhood that I carry eternal guilt. Whites and especially germs should perish. I do my part by voting for and supporting islamic migration, helping them with welfare and all the loopholes. Brown people are just superior and I celebrate every mixed couple. Germs can work even more and harder to pay for the debts of Europoor and welfare for muslims. Also Poland should finally get its over 1 trillion reparations!

>>519513801 (OP)
It's salvation. Why create more suffering? Every life born is someone condemned to suffering, disease, work, death without consent. It's akin to raping and killing someone.
Enough of this, let us free future generations from the burden and tyranny of life.

>>519518904
>My TOP1 income area in Srbia is slightly better than the worker-class pajeet area of east London

>>519518904
>cant wait to be treated by public healthcare from imported retards where cow urine is still used in medicinal practice
the alternative is just dying because you didn't have children to care for you instead

old map.

Finland is like 1.40

>>519519142
it is 1.28, see >>519518405

>>519519100
i dont care about you at all
>>519519135
i dont care about you either

You are all just stuntend mentaly in capitalistic consumerism, inadequate to live on your own and make rational decisions
no wonder Russia will mop the floor with you and for good
European wildlife and plants should realy come back to depopulated countries, its all thats left worth now
My favourite is european otter and bobr kurwas
Those should replace every european faggot now

>>519513801 (OP)
More land and resources for my children (I have 4). Most whites are dysgenic anyway. The brown invaders can be killed.

>>519514427
Most of Europe is indeed massively over populated. By which I mean population density is too high. Germany and Netherlands are particularly bad. Latvia is 50% larger than Netherlands with 1.8 million people while Netherlands has like 18 million. Disgusting.

>>519513801 (OP)
People do not understand that the problem is civilization-breaking. When there are 1 or 2 pensioners to a working person, you cannot fix that EVER without the system collapsing. If you import millions of niggers, the system will collapse. If you don't, the system will collapse. If you succeed in rebuilding the birthrates, the system will collapse, but maybe rebuild after that. Anyway the collapse is inevitable.

>>519519632
>socialism fails EVERY time
Who could have known? The boomers who got memed into muh doctors and engineers who will pay their pensions can be thanked for this. Unfortunately its us who will be old and overrun by shitskins though.

>>519519718
>I will blame socialism anytime a capitalism drives world into the trash

Because importing shitskin workers to work for minimum wage in oligarch-owned factories is totally socialism fault

>>519519718
Without benefits and state support, most of the shitskins will just leave. Especially Northern Europe is literally a shithole without a state babysitting you. Most of our ancestors just had to try to survive.

>>519513801 (OP)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The reason this is happening is extreme spiritual corruption. Do you truly feel the world is supposed to be run this way? Everyone knows how to fix it, will they take those measures? Mostly likely not until humanity is thrown over the precipice and wickedness laughs maniacally at the destruction they've caused.

>>519519809
>capitalism
If my money goes to parasites(jews, cripples, lazy cunts) its not capitalism. Central banking and jewish oligarchy is not capitalism

>>519513801 (OP)
thankfully sweden might survive the ref wave, at least in the north. So many white children running around. When I feel down I walk to the park and watch our future play.

>>519519809
Yes, because the socialists will split your head open with a bike lock and try to make you unemployable, terrorize your child and mace your wife if you say that immigration isn't a holy sacrament. It is the fault of communists. Yes.

>>519520433
Could you like, colonize Finland again?

>>519513801 (OP)
yurop's dead, killed by cunts
literally cunts drunk upon their cunt's selfish power

>>519513892
>Meanwhile my people have lots of kids.
on white people's dime
you're a bioweapon

>>519514431
more housing is only delaying the problem of wages not being able to keep up with house prices

>>519516520
>making a future worth having kids in.
that's what state regulations are for

>>519513801 (OP)
Import me. I am a high testosterone brown guy. I promise 2 births per women

>>519513801 (OP)
all the muslim countries are doing ok

>>519521421
we want high quality births, that's the problem

>>519521438
even iran isnt. this is a massive problem throughout the world everywhere that there's civilized people

>>519513801 (OP)
It's entirely a "women's rights" problem. Force women to marry and have children by law and you will fix the issue.

>>519521583
I think feminism and leftism is gay, I smoke cigars and I drink Hennessy. I voted right wing last election
Trust me, my genes are good.

>>519514528
>Nobody wants to have kids so long there are non-whites shitting up the place.
That's correct - we love children and will of course not produce babies in a former peaceful and homogeneous society now filled with violent and murderous Muslims, that would be extremely irresponsible and downright mean.

>>519513801 (OP)
Now let's see the native white European numbers

>>519513892
Kill yourself mudslime

>>519514228
>Societies require constant births to sustain themselves, though.
Pension system, not society

>>519514257
Damn thats ancient

>>519522689
based

>>519522980
this is what i was talking about. that is not the reason people are not having children. at all. by saying those things you are feeding into the politics circus of "people are not having children because not enough funding goes to daycare centers! vote for us and we will open one daycare center eventually!", "no, people can't have children because you increased taxes! this is atrocious! vote for us and we'll lower them by 1%"" jfl

>>519523615
they literally do. if a society doesn't have children it will disappear when everyone in it dies

>>519524983
>that is not the reason people are not having children, at all.
This is literally the ONLY reason - you just revealed yourself as a LIAR!

>the politics circus of "people are not having children because not enough funding goes to daycare centers! vote for us and we will open one daycare center eventually!"
We've always had daycare centers, so no politician or parent have ever said such an exorbitantly weird sentence - you just revealed yourself as a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!

>>519515486
And the Bible was written over the course of several centuries, during which there were periodic crises of the family. For example, there was a family crisis in the late New Kingdom of ancient Egypt, when men there explicitly stated that Egyptian women were, of course, the most beautiful, but were insolent and unfaithful, and that it was better to seek a wife among Asian women (in Egypt, "Asians" referred to the people of the Near East). As they say, find 10 differences from modern times.
The Greeks of Themistocles' era were super-patriarchal fellows who didn't even quite consider their women to be people and hid them from the gaze of other men more strictly than modern Arabs. Yet, a couple of hundred years later, in the Hellenistic era (i.e., the decline and decay of classical Greek civilization), debauchery, homosexuality, and wife infidelity were already in fashion. The patriarchal Romans of that time considered the Greeks to be bearded women, and Roman matrons would blush when they were told about the provocative behavior of Greek women. But 300 years later, the Romans themselves had turned into bearded cuckolds who let their women go off to fuck gladiators.
And every time it's the same story—a "sexual revolution" ultimately led to a crisis of the family, demographic decline, a rise in fetishes and perversions in society, and, in the end, to the decline of a civilization.

>>519526740

here it's not that easy to get your child in a public one, they have waitlists etc

and no. the reason for low fertility is not that people "dont want to have children around africans", "cant afford housing", etc. europe has seen much worse times and people still had children. it is a consequence of being a developed society. or of women being educated idk

>>519513801 (OP)
There is a foundation: both sexes should be interested in creating and preserving a family, not like now — where only women are interested in creation, and only men in preservation.
As for how to achieve this — there are options. One could revive the institution of arranged marriages — personally, this idea doesn't seem good to me, but you asked, so I answered.
One could adjust the Family Code. Abolish alimony and enshrine the fathers' preferential right to keep the children with them in case of divorce.
I would also propose rolling back the sexual revolution, because it was precisely this revolution that had the most destructive effect on birth rates and the institution of the family in Western countries. And not rolling it back to the point where even a public kiss is forbidden — not at all. All that's required is the criminalization of extramarital sex. For example, directly legislating a presumption of guilt for men in cases of extramarital sex. If there was sex outside of marriage and the woman filed a report — the man is guilty a priori, without trial or investigation. And, in general, to shamelessly shame sexual relations before marriage.

>>519527244
The connection is direct, and it's not with economics, but precisely with politics. Children are born not because there's a lot of money, but because of the strength of the institution of the family. Peasents had 5 children because families were strong.
And in the 20th century, the modern Family Code and the sexual revolution did everything to destroy the institution of the family. As a result, people stopped having children.

>>519527244
>here it's not that easy
>here
Then speak SOLELY for your own country, like all normal and truthful people do - instead of publicly LYING about other countries.

>>519514251
people would eventually start reproducing again, we wouldn't just go to 0. If America went from 340 million to 1 million, you could bet that some family is going to start pumping kids out like crazy in that depopulated land
it's only a problem if you replace the people in the country

>>519518428
You do t have a productive economy as I stated. You dumbfuck spic, ever heard of JAPAN, that's exactly what happened there. Only new families buy shit. Single men and old people don't buy shit.

>>519513801 (OP)
Only foxgirls can fix birth rates.

>>519513801 (OP)
usury is hell of a drug gringo
>>519518405
well it has one small nitpick neighbor
even if the boomers would die off what now in this jewish oligarchy as defenetly laws of inheritance are hell to go trough for wallet in mattles of settlements and we are broke as hell on this borrowed time

They move in yachts look like boy band chads and their dad

>>519524983
>they literally do. if a society doesn't have children it will disappear when everyone in it dies

Thats implying the trend is irreversible. If not for mass immigration, it would take centuries an in some point it would probably change.

Other posibility is being attacked and conquered by force, but I dont think its an issue, as all developed countries have negative birthrate and shitholes are not be capable to stage an invasion on technologically more developed country, as one drone controler could take down tousends of enemies. And if they industrialize their birthrate will also drop.

>>519531900
high IQ

>>519514228
maximum earth population should be capped at 500 million.
Yes, browns should be culled first.
No, I don't mind if I don't breed, my genes are already present in at least 500000 people.

>>519513801 (OP)
That’s good for white europe. The less orange people there are, the better. Then Tyrone and Mohammed can repopulate that area and have their own ethnostate.

>>519513801 (OP)
Don’t care.

It’s a nothing burger, no need to bring in rape monkeys “refugees”.

Caused by a virus that you guys clearly overlooked since it appears to be very benign in nature and that’s what scientists do…follow very evident cause and effect relationship patterns without actually trying to understand the virological fauna that exists in the human body.

It’s dying out, Ghost bro and overwatch did something to kill of the source so the virus is on its way out very soon <10 years.

No need to roll over to globohomo anymore and import rapefugees who torture murder rape little girls.

>>519517841
true... it was super rare to see some black or asian guy back in 2000s, I remember seeing a black guy/tourist maybe couple of times a year at best. now I go to some store in mustamäe and nearly every time I see a nigger or two (yesterday I saw a 3 sheboons + one niglet in a stroller). If I take commuting to work into account, then add 1-2 more blackies and couple of jeets to that easily. Also couple of gypsies. It's not as bad now and they seem to be calm, but as they say, "slippery slope" and all that.
t. recently moved to Tallinn

>>519513892
>evidence of different fertility rates across different continents but once travel and ability to intermix is introduced the TFR numbers start to converge to a similar curve
That in itself should have been clearly evidence to any research scientist that we are dealing with a novel, hard to notice pathogen that’s causing these fertility issues.

You’re welcome lmao. Hard to really worship or respect science and the science research complex when vast majority of academia and researchers worship the current paradigm ad nausea and do rent free overtime work to destroy and silence any innovative idea or approaches that would actually help solve issues or introduce ground breaking new research

>crabs in a pot
>dont u dare come up with a new groundbreaking paper / discovery first because I DIDNT THINK OF IT FIRST
Many such cases.
So tiring and annoying.

You’re welcome.

Science team: 0
God and Gods servants (including me): 1

>>519513892
white wahmen are entitled, they dont want to be moms they all want to be the queen and the king in one person. cant you see this.