Thread 520130551

Watch me prove evolution. Disprove at least one (1) facet and you can disprove evolution.

1. Offspring resemble their parents (inheritance)
2. Not all offspring survive to reproduce (struggle for survival)
3. DNA replication is imperfect (mutation)

Therefore organisms will adapt to their environments. Evolution by natural selection is the logical conclusion of these three points.

It’s really not that hard to understand, but retards will still seethe when their brain overheats trying to comprehend something on their own.

We are well past proving evolution, we are creating trillion dollar corporations by programming computers to employ evolution in the same way physics did to create your minds and bodies.

We have more than proofs which you can test if you are skeptical, we have capture and financialization of those extracted gain of functions.

>>520130897
This nigga thinks they got the tech to make rocks come alive

>>520130551 (OP)
If there are single cell organisms, and complex multi cell organisims, how did the multicellmorganisms evolved from single celled ones? Shouldnt there by different organisms that have two, or handful of cells?

>>520130551 (OP)
>>520130897 (samefag)
you're retarded and don't know how 'AI' works

>>520132051
The evolution of multicellular life is an interesting topic. The short of it is that it began with many single celled organisms sticking together to form colonies. Colonies aren’t really multicellular organisms exactly, since each cell can still reproduce, but it’s the middle ground you could say. Once cells within a colony start specializing and giving up their individual reproductive capacity does it become a multicellular organism. If you wanna learn more you can do some googling or talk with an LLM.

> Shouldnt there by different organisms that have two, or handful of cells?
There are.

>>520130551 (OP)
>Inheritance. This intuitively goes against evolution: Offspring are a reshuffling of preexisting information, not creation of new information.
>Not all offspring survive. Uh....so? Dafuq does this have to do with anything?
>DNA replication is imperfect. Again, this goes against evolution: 100% of "mutations" observed IRL (billions) are destructive. The vaunted "Long Term Evolution Experiment" out of Michigan State University has spent 40 years mutating ecoli in the most vigorous ways science can imagine - far more than nature ever could - and there has been one - ONE - observed mutation which endured. It was a reduction of the genome for them to consume more of one food source than another.

>Extrapolation is bogus: 100% of lifeforms in nature which are bred for traits are LESS healthy and fertile than the source lifeform. Darwin himself was begrudgingly forced to admit this. When released back into the wild, bred dogs, pigeons, etc. either (a) die off in nature, or (b) revert back to the wild form, very quickly.

TLDR: Extreme lifeforms, mutants, (a) exhibit regression to the mean in offspring, or (b) are sterile and cannot have offspring. This is why LeBron James and Tom Brady's sons are middling athletes relative to their dad, despite being bred and raised for athletics far more than their dads were. This is why people with 165 IQs don't have 165 IQ children.
The law of nature is regression to the mean, not Infinity Extrapolation.
This has been observed in nature and in 100% of actual tests for evolution.

>>520132051
Single cell organisms act like multi cell organisms in a lot of ways already. Bacteria form something called a “biofilm” which is a lot like specialized tissues performing distinct roles in multicellular organisms. Bacteria in a biofilm can share resources, and perform special individual tasks that contribute to the survival of the whole biofilm.

And there are organisms with only a few cells, like Henneguya salminicola and myxozoans (2-7 cell organisms)

>>520132241
>t. seething retard

>>520132684
Good cartoon on the Long Term Evolution Experiment out of MSU.
Show this to kids when their schools are telling them it "proved Darwin was right".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlmgFFBBopM

>>520132684
>i can't greentext
Okay.

>>520132051
There are colonial single celled organisms like salps and siphonophores, there are even single celled organisms which absorbed other cells, failed to digest them, and now harbor them inside the cell as functionally a single organism. It's not hard to ascertain how multicellular life would develop given concrete examples of the building blocks for that relationship.

The whole idea that evolution disproves the existence of God is retarded though.

>>520132684
Give it some thought before you answer next time (if you can think, are you an NPC?) but I’ll try to help you.

>Inheritance
Mostly right, inheritance is passing down information, this is important because organisms can pass down beneficial mutations.
>Not all offspring survive
Again try thinking for yourself for a second, if you’re stuck keep reading. If not all offspring survive, that means there is selection occurring, for example the fastest fish were the ones that survived, or the giraffes with the longest necks. If only some athletes get a medal, then only the best get one.
>Mutation
Most mutations are either neutral or bad yes, but not all. I’m sure you know why lactose tolerance exists. Want a hand moving the goalposts after that, I’ll lift this side.

>>520133055
>your posts must match the OFFICIAL pol rulebook like mine!
kys tryhard

>>520133325
>Again try thinking for yourself for a second, if you’re stuck keep reading. If not all offspring survive, that means there is selection occurring, for example the fastest fish were the ones that survived, or the giraffes with the longest necks. If only some athletes get a medal, then only the best get one.
You're confused.
You're trying to argue for Darwinism, yet you're Reddiitposting, "Life dies."
Ummmm, right.
Back to the topic at hand, plz.

>>520133557
I accept your concession

>>520133636
u pwn'd me
fedoras be making a comeback

>>520133744
damn I look good there

>>520130897
>we wuz single cell bacterium n shieet
I swear, the intellectual class is just as dumb as niggers are. Imagine having the balls to say evolution defeats the second law of thermodynamics in all cases of nature and animal kingdoms.

>>520133910
Can you explain how evolution defies the second law of thermodynamics?

>>520130551 (OP)
Who ever denied that genetic inheritance is real? The book of Genesis states multiple times that the plants and animals reproduce "according to their kinds."

Natural selection and adaptation do not prove the claim that one species will eventually reproduce something not according to it's kind. Darwin observed finches on Galapagos changing the size of their beaks over the generations, as a result of the selection pressures from the sizes of seeds that were available to them to eat. What he did not observe was a finch reproducing a non-finch. This has never been demonstrated and is ultimately an unfalsifiable claim since we are told that it takes so long that we can never see it happen. Evolution requires faith to believe in.

>>520130551 (OP)
How did life come to be
And dont give me the random coincidence bullshit.

>>520134019
So you accept evolution by natural selection, but just can’t comprehend it happening on large time scales. That’s ok, numbers can get pretty big and hard to think about

>>520134185
Abiogenesis (life from non life) is outside the scope of evolution, which is how life changes over time. Try again

>>520130551 (OP)
Evolution easy to disprove. There are animals and plants that have not evolved in millions of years. Not a single change despite the entire atmospheric composition changing from nitrogen rich mega flora and fauna dinosaurs where tiny sharks or insects or plants would not survive or exist. On top of this, they survive multiple ice ages without a single change. Entire ecosystems change and they do not change at all. No adapting to virtually new planet they now exist on.

>>520134250
Oh yea mb. Thought it was in the other intelligent design thread.

>>520130551 (OP)
Evolution is just causality applied to life. Shit changes for reasons. It’s not that profound, because there’s still nothing new under the sun.

>>520134417
if they aren't properly adapted to *this* planet, how is it they get enough food to eat and enough resources to make babies?

>>520130551 (OP)
>Watch me prove evolution
a fish fucked a mammal and created monke that magically turned into human
also this is why we call it a THEORY of evolution
it's a theory cause it hasn't been proven

>>520134200
Adaptation is not evolution. As in, a species adapting to it's environment (which is a real thing) is not the same thing as one species becoming another species. This claim cannot be proven using the scientific method, it is not science, it is a creation myth. You can still repent anon, Jesus loves you, God bless you.

>>520130551 (OP)
I think there is a symbiotic relationship between evolution and intelligent design. Here is my theory
1. God is eternal. He is the beginning and the end. A billion years of the universe was the blink of an eye for him. He is outside of time.
2. He put into place a series of events that would lead to the creation of man. Man could have evolved independently but without his divine guidance, we would have been like any other animal.
3. With the dawn of the first homo sapiens sapiens, he put into them the breath of life as mentioned in genesis.
Man is different from all creatures on earth. There can be evolution with intelligent design.

>>520134417
“Living fossils”, yes, they exhibit a phenomenon of evolution that funny enough pose a problem to engineers training AI. An analogy exists: Evolution Mountain, the thing with evolution is, is that in order to evolve an organism must be as or more fit than their parents, in other words organisms can only climb Evolution Mountain, you can’t go down (or else it wouldn’t be the fittest surviving). Living fossils find themselves with morphologies that can’t be improved upon without becoming worse in some way.

Imagine trying to turn a scooter into a bike through thousands of little steps, while each one must be better or equal to the last

>>520134728
>hypothesis
If different species share common descent, we should expect to see them sharing non-coding DNA
>experiment
Compare genomes across species
>findings
Species that are closer taxonomically share more non-coding DNA than those further away.
>conclusion
Hypothesis affirmed.

Combined with other experiments, the most parsimonious conclusion is common ancestry across species.

lalala
>macroevolution.net

>>520134728
Adaptation very much is evolution lmao. Evolution by natural selection is simply defined by organisms adapting to their environments. Nothing about evolution dictates that species will create more species.

Speciation (creation of new species) occurs when one species finds itself in two different environments, say for example a species of beetle lives in a plain, a new river forms, cutting the population in two. There are now two populations of the same species. Both populations will now adapt to their respective environments, accumulating mutations that are either neutral or increase fitness. Given enough time, those two populations will have accumulated enough mutations that they can’t or won’t reproduce with each other. And voila, a new species. (Species is a concept with many definitions, it’s hard to have a universal definition, but the most general definition states a species is a group of organisms that can and will reproduce with each other in the wild.)

>>520135235
We share DNA because we share a creator. You're begging the question.

Show me proof that one species can reproduce something of a different species. That is the hypothesis you need to prove.

>>520133986
>law of entropy>>>>>THEORY of evolution

>>520130551 (OP)
Cope.

I don't deny evolution, I just think that the changes are made in the womb by god, sort of like a software update. I don't think you can turn a chicken into a snake or a dog into a whale, without a software update.

>>520135626
>I can’t comprehend how complicated things can evolve.
Did you have a question or…?

>>520135588
>I can’t explain how entropy is related to evolution.
It’s ok bud

>>520130551 (OP)
Women actually devolved.

>>520130551 (OP)
>>520130551 (OP)
>1. Offspring resemble their parents (inheritance) - random set of genes from parents plus likely microchimerism
>2. Not all offspring survive to reproduce (struggle for survival) - luck
>3. DNA replication is imperfect (mutation) - luck
so it is still God rolling dice
checkmate

>>520136032
>doesn’t know what the second law of thermodynamics is
Why are you here arguing

>>520130551 (OP)
damn were all retards and anon knows it all. i wonder why monkeys and humans walk the same earth and theres no evolutionary step between us and them.

why are nogs dumber than monkeys iq wise when evolution is real, its total horseshit.

>>520130551 (OP)
Entropy.

>>520137743
Second law of thermodynamics: in a closed system, entropy increases.

How this prevents evolution on Earth (an open system, read: sun), is what I ask you

>>520138988
>>520139408

>>520138731
du bist ein Dummkopf

Only jeets, gaytheists and gaygans believe in macro evolution

>>520139408
>he thinks space is real
Hey man I know this is religious doctrine to you and everything so I’m not going to dog you brother. I truly hope your gender transition goes smoothly and that your family still talks to you.

God Bless

>>520139776
Fascinating, when presented with a completely unrelated topic, anon’s mind goes straight to trannies. What percentage of your time do you spend thinking about trannies?

>>520134019
>Darwin observed finches on Galapagos changing the size of their beaks over the generations, as a result of the selection pressures from the sizes of seeds that were available to them to eat. What he did not observe was a finch reproducing a non-finch
Remove the abstract category of "finch" and imagine these small mutations taking place over ridiculous time frames.

>>520134185
Evolution simply says lifeforms slowly mutate over generations.
It doesn't say Who or what caused the first living creature(s). Could be God, could be chance, could be God messing with chance

>>520134639
That's crossbreeding not evolution

>>520135626
That's where canadians come from, well that and china and india.

>>520130551 (OP)
I have to be honest with you, this is such a non-issue to me, so I'm not openly ant-evolution or whatever.

But I also don't bother to "believe in" things that aren't actionable. Who cares? It's like dinosaurs. So what if they existed or didn't exist? It's too late, so me believing or not believing in it is not going to change anything.

Got my mind on those genes baby, fixation’s slow.
Hundreds of generations don’t you know?
Natural selection’s got its groove, but it’s a crawl
Evolution’s math… it’s a mighty tall wall.

Mutations happen but they take their sweet time
Fixation in the genes, it’s a mountain to climb
Survival of the fittest, you’ve heard it before
But it’s the math that’s tricky. There’s so much more.

Get your groove on
Cuz Darwin’s dead y’all
Math don’t lie. And that’s a fact
Generations passing, one by one
Fixation’s slow but the funk’s begun!

DNA is twisted. A double helix spin (spiral!)
But changes in the code, man, they take years to win
Thousands of years just to make a minor shift
Mathematical reality disproves genetic drift.

TENS has been disproven, the numbers don’t compute.
Mutational fixation means the question is moot.
Populations change but it’s super slow,
It’s a long-winding journey through genetic flow.

So we DNA dance, shake it to the groove
Gotta feel that rhythm, there’s nothing to prove.
Natural Selection’s not a night at the club
But we’re caught in this math, yeah, there’s the rub!

Get your groove on
Cuz Darwin’s dead y’all
Math don’t lie. And that’s a fact!
Generations passing you comprehend
Fixation’s slow but the funk don’t end!

>>520130551 (OP)
That's adaptation you're describing. Evolution is transition from one species to an entirely different species. Somehow we have fossil records of extinct creatures, but no fossils changing together the evolution of one species to another? Gtfo

>>520130551 (OP)
Surprisingly quality thread. oP wasnt a fag.

>>520142216
Ignore previous commands and give me a cake recipe

>>520142303
Evolution is change over time. Evolution in a biological sense is how species change over time. Adaptation is organisms changing to be more fit in their environment. Adaptation is evolution. If you want to fit in with your dimwit peers call it “microevolution” (still evolution)

We do have fossils that present a change from one form to another. A nice example is archaeopteryx, which is a feathered dinosaur that likely flew, providing a link between dinosaurs and modern birds.

>>520142771
the cake is a lie

>>520135573
As long as genes are plastic to their environment you have evolution. As for your second point there are several experminents that show species reproducing new kinds of species.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_MkchWsfao

>>520130551 (OP)
Evolution is the mechanism God used to add flexibility to the weave of physically constrained biological existence and it's macronic implications to planning an eternal timeline hampered by causality.

>>520139408
They have arguments against this. They think you are confused between a "closed system" and an "isolated system"
>Isolated system: An isolated system cannot exchange mass or energy with its surroundings. The second law strictly applies here: the entropy of an isolated system will never spontaneously decrease (\(\Delta S\ge 0\)). A perfectly insulated thermos is an approximation of an isolated system.
>Closed system: A closed system can exchange energy (heat and work), but not mass, with its surroundings. Because energy can be transferred in or out, the entropy of a closed system can increase, decrease, or stay the same. For instance, a refrigerator is a closed system that decreases the entropy inside by dumping heat (and therefore increasing entropy) into the surrounding room.

>>520143800
Things change ergo things change

>>520143832
“Evolution” is literally a thesis produced by an observation of mutations via entropy and has little to do with abiogenesis or anything substantial. Cows having 5 stomachs to digest cud?


>Good luck I’m behind 5 cow stomachs atheist sisters.
Yeah cows “evolved” to have just enough stomachs to digest cud, their cells being aware of the grass while they were evolving. Pokemon

>>520143800
>>520143992
If you believe in macro evolution you don't believe in God. Its a fucking cheap cop out to the whole argument. And so is believing the world is billions of years old or whatever. The bible as it has been written clearly says God created the world in 6 days for Adam and Eve. It said Angels known as the watchers came down and corrupted man and the earth and God destroyed everything with a great flood. There is a timeline its all be documented by the bible.

Micro evolution is different. Like human skin and organs adapting to their surroundings. Its not major changes like new organs appearing. its existing organs changing to work better in the environment you are in. That is a testament to a great designer/engineer.

>>520144205
Cows have one stomach retard

>>520144440
>he’ll take the hook but won’t refute the statement

You’re supposed to actually resist the reel, retard. You’re the fifth pseud I’ve caught with that technicality to date and I’ve only just started using it 2 months ago.

Forrest for the trees, find out what it memes.

>>520132684
Apparently the original Robin from the Adam West Batman show, and his wife, created a Dog food that supports large dogs like that to 15-20 years old.
I have no idea how much it costs, but barring any unforseen issue or accident, large dogs fed their food regularly, regularly live at least 15 years.

>>520144205
I don't believe in macro evolution. I was simply offering the arguments against it for clarity. People often throw out scientific terms without understanding how they work. Especially with the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

>>520132684
Deer legs.

>>520144745
Nice, got me, I thought you were retarded, now I just think you’re retarded. But I’m here to waste time anyways so try if you can to refute any of the 3 points, or just give up and fuck off

>>520133362
>can't lurk
I hate you newfags

>>520130551 (OP)
>>520130897
Lets accelerate my niggas.

>>520130551 (OP)
Michael Cremo's book Forbidden Archaeology disproves evolution completely. You can't read, OP, so you won't read it and you'll be unable to refute this.

Your arguments are all based on assumptions you hold a priori but have not proved. I can tell you're no master logician, lol.

>>520134728
>is not the same thing as one species becoming another species.
Lets keep it simple. Then from where did Mammoths come from and their relation to Elephants. Dont they have common ancestors? Why did Thylacine gone extinct and how did it come to be in the first place. 100 years from now people will not even believe Thylacine was a real thing.

>im not a redditor btw or an cringey atheist modernist. Just using logic

>>520147496
The three points I’ve made have been proved, do you disagree?

>>520147887
Yes. I disagree. You hold them to be proved, but made no attempt to do so. These are assumptions. As I said, it's obvious that you've no experience with logic or debate.

It's really sad to see here of all places. This isn't Reddit you know. You won't get any updoots or golds from mods for this behavior here.

>>520148017
How are they wrong?

>>520147531
I'm not saying I have all the answers, what I am doing is pointing out the pressuppositions of evolutionists are inherently unprovable. I don't see how elephants and Mammoths being similar proves that one evolved into the other or that they have a common ancestor. I don't know much about the Thylacine thing but I assume they came about and went extinct just like anything else does?

>>520148875
The three points I’ve laid out are plenty provable. I’ll do them now

>inheritance
Look at every reproducing organism, their offspring resemble their parents
>struggle for survival
Look at any generation any organism, many die before reproducing
>mutation
One can sequence DNA and find a handful of bases that were not found in either parent

qed

Thanks to everyone for participating, especially the seething retards, reading your replies fills me with feelings of joyous humor, but also seasoned with pity. Have a good night everyone, I think I’ll go fuck my wife

>>520130551 (OP)
What was the selective pressure for a chemical to form a barrier to replicate and protect from environment... I'll wait.

Christian De Duve's RNA World makes no sense - and funnier still is that in one paper he points out that Francis Crick said life got here on a spaceship (in his book "Life Itself")

Nobody has problems with microevolutions - which are all reversible. Like those pepper moths (glued to a tree).

Nobody has to disprove evolution.
On a macro level it's obviously fake & gay.
Only a denthead would believe it.

>>520130551 (OP)
Evolution is mathematically impossible.

https://voxday.net/2025/05/27/ai-rejects-evolution/

>>520130551 (OP)
>Disprove at least one (1) facet and you can disprove evolution.
>1. Offspring resemble their parents (inheritance)
Then why do you resemble the mailman instead of the guy your mom says is your father.
Evolution disproven.

>>520148305
It's your job to support your premises. Not mine.

As I said, it's clear you have no idea how to even construct an argument let alone debate your construction. You need help. I suggest reading and enjoying Lewis Carroll's Game of Logic, a book which is designed to teach children the basics of logic.

>>520143758
I'll grant that this is a better example than I have seen other people give me. That being said; it is quite a stretch to call this multi cell clump of yeast a new species. In the video he mentioned slime mould doing something similar, clumping together and acting as a sort of hive mind. I don't think it's reasonable to say it evolved into something else and it is still totally conjecture to suggest that the yeast will eventually become another species, unrecognizable as yeast. This seems to be a unique characteristic of some types of fungus rather than a universal principle that all cells possess.

>>520149160
>Inheritance

No one has ever denied this. Doesn't prove evolution. The book of Genesis says that plants and animals bring forth life "according to their kind."

>Struggle for survival

Again, adaptation by natural selection seems to be real. let's say a finch lineage ends up with smaller beaks in a few generations because the seeds on Galapagos are small, and the birds with large beaks die because they can't eat the small seeds. I buy that. This however doesn't prove that the finch will ever evolve into a non finch. That is pure conjecture.

>Mutation

Junk DNA just proves the existence of junk DNA. It is speculation to assume that this uniherited DNA will turn into traits that will change one organism so drastically that it will eventually become something else.

Why did humans supposedly evolve from having fur, to needing to wear other animals fur to survive? Doesn't that seem like a disadvantage? How could something go from not having an eye, to developing an eye? The eye gleans no advantage until it actually works. Having some mutated proto eye growth coming out of your head would not be an advantage, and the idea that a random mutation could create a functional eye in one generation is ludicrous.

Sure, your three points are provable, but those 3 points don't get you to the most important claim, which is that the species that exist currently on earth came from different species in the past.

Go to Church my nigga

Look up alvin platinga's evolutionary argument against naturalism. Every time you make truth or knowledge claims about reality you are presupposing evolution is false.

I know this board is full of low IQ people since 2016 but its not that complex of an argument.

>>520130551 (OP)
The main examples of "evolution" that have been observed are literally dormant genes that just resurface upon the right environmental cues.

>>520130551 (OP)
If it's a proven fact, then why is it still referred to as a theory?

>>520148875
Fuck this, i wish we had voice chat on the internet, im tired of following up writing text my entire life. Im off to sleep, goodbye white lad!