Thread 520362202

Nothing really highlights the decay of U.S. society like the failure of the F-35 program. This fucking thing is STILL not combat ready. This program was promised to save costs, and streamline everything. Instead, the program will cost over 2 TRILLION fucking dollars. F-35s were supposed to be 35 million a piece and have cheap flight time. They are 90 million have cost twice as much to fly vs the f-15/f-18. - And the thing is a fucking piece of shit.

The U.S. scrapped the f-22 because it was too expensive. only built 187 vs. the intended 750 planned. Only to light money on fire with this hunk of shit f-35. The f-35 doesn't even have that great of stats. Its fucking slow, performance numbers are below f-15/f-18, it only has stealth, with a shitty coating that breaks all the time. All it's sensor tech could have been put in existing planes or drones.

The U.S. could have literally saved a trillion dollars by continuing the f-22 program, and updating existing planes. -which, they had to upgrade anyway because the f-35 is so behind. That's why the f-15ex exists. Literally, every 2024 delivery was fucking late. The truly sad part is, having all those f-22s and upgraded 4th gens would have been a superior fighting force.

What a symbol for U.S. incompetence and waste.

>>520362202 (OP)
You're missing the bigger picture anon. It's not about the F-35, it's about my Raytheon and Lockheed Martin stock which is doing amazingly well thanks to all the bloat.

>>520362202 (OP)
>What a symbol for U.S. incompetence and waste.


I called the 35 a piece of shit 13 years ago

>>520362344
>Lockheed Martin stock

2% YTD is dogshit numbers.

>>520362363
>I called the 35 a piece of shit 13 years ago

this hunk of shit is supposed to be used for 77 years. fucking laughable. a serious country would execute the people responsible for this massive failure- THAT WILL COST 2 TRILLION fucking dollars.

It's been flying combat missions for years

>>520362202 (OP)
>All defense companies get taken over by grifting kikes
>they immediately fire all competent white engineers and replace them with 45 IQ Indian Hindu rape rat invaders
>all plans, hardware, software must be given to pissrael so they copy it and sell it to the Chinese and Russians

Yeah, it's over.

>>520362344
Congrats on your 30 pieces of silver.
All that you had to exchange for this financial boon was to exterminate your children's future, betray your nation, ruin the country, pave over your traditionally maintained history and culture, and sell out to thieves and enemies in exchange for jewpaper and numbers on a screen.
Thankfully with these newfound riches you can purchase items of declining quality assembled by brown scab workers with the built-in planned obsolescence included free of charge so you can be forced to replace it, like a sucker, with another item of inferior quality which will break even faster than the last one.

>>520362202 (OP)
The F35 IS combat ready, what are you talking about. There are like 1000 of them in service.

>>520363486
are they still not allowed to fly through clouds?

>>520362202 (OP)
they had Boeing X32, the perfect plane, but they chose the inferior one. Retards.

>>520362202 (OP)
They didn't cut the F-22 program because it was too expensive, they cut it because it had no reason to exist anymore. It was specifically designed to counter a new generation of Soviet bombers and escorts that never came to exist.

>>520363679
I'm pretty sure it can fly through clouds. Maybe they try to avoid it to protect the radar absorbing coating? It needs to be reapplied anyways because it will get worn down.

>>520362202 (OP)
>para gay

>>520363486
>The F35 IS combat ready,

Only technically, and if you are a faggot. these hunks of shit are breaking/crashing all the time. The readiness rate is an embarrassment at 55%. This shitbox is not combat reliable at all.

>>520363721
>They didn't cut the F-22 program because it was too expensive,

shut the fuck up faggot.

>>520363852
it was due to some malfunction the oxygen tank inerting system or something that presented a risk when flying through clouds due to lighting risks

>>520363864
That's not as bad as you think. F-18 is like 80% and that's very high, it used to be around 60. Should be higher though.

>>520362202 (OP)
the funniest thing is that the F-35 needs Russian titanium for its structural parts.
but officially it's "Norway Titanium" or some bullshit like that.

>>520362202 (OP)
>Kills more marines than the entire Iraq war

>>520362202 (OP)
are jets even needed anymore? drones and long-range missiles are just as effective

>>520362202 (OP)
As long as we keep these fuckers up to date and running we still stay on top

>>520362202 (OP)
lol is this your first encounter with the Pentagon's procurement system?

>>520362202 (OP)
F-47 will shut you up

>>520364464
Unironically....no. jets arent needed in such large numbers. Russians have designed mortars that can be guided to some extent. The smartest thing would bring back the battlecarrier but with either railgun kinetics or just raw munition dumps and raining bombs that coupled with zerg rush drone hornets.

>>520363927
What is the point in spending trillions on a program that has no reason to exist anymore?

>>520364348
A high speed helicopter is much superior. Unfortunately they chose another Osprey instead over one proposed by Sikorsky/Boeing, probably to give Bell business.

>>520364474
>As long as we keep these fuckers up to date and running we still stay on top

they actually try to say the f-35 is a replacement for the a-10. maybe on of the most absurd piles of horseshit around the boondoggle.

>>520364682
>F-47 will shut you up

stfu. irrelevant. and it's actually insulting they rewarding lockheed with more gibs after fucking up the f-35 so bad. literal public executions should of been what they received.

>>520364464
>are jets even needed anymore? drones and long-range missiles are just as effective

yeah. satellite guided weapons and space weapons are going to make the f-35 look like shit in 20 years.

>>520363864
>>520364105
QRD on "readiness rate"? Does 55% mean that if you want to scramble 100 of them only 55 will fly at that particular time?

why would you say this, we already bought 24 of them

>>520363694
fat chode

>>520364896
>What is the point in spending trillions on a program that has no reason to exist anymore?

because the f-22 is fucking baller. we already developed it. We could have 5,000 f22s and still save money over the f35.

>>520365030
Yeah. Also 100% is not really possible because planes are constantly flying and under maintenance.

Is there anything that makes BRICSubhumans seethe more than the chink slayer-35?

>>520365112
>why would you say this, we already bought 24 of them

they literally made the f-35 program because they wanted allies to pay pig. the f-35 isn't living up to really any of it's promises. Maybe if it stops breaking all the fucking time it will be a good jet.

>>520362202 (OP)
The B-21 raider is the future.
All aircraft do is deliver ordinance.
Everything else will be done by drones. Human pilots can't even withstand the G forces.
Airforce knows this, they just unveiled one.

>>520362512
What do you care nigger, it's not your money. Oh wait, you're fag-flagging for Paragay, you have no money. KEK! Try harder hole shitter!

>>520365131
F22 can't take off from a carrier and is strictly an air superiority fighter. F35 was supposed to fill multiple roles, this is where the real problems of the plane stem from.

>>520362202 (OP)
Defense companies need to be nationalized and purged.

>>520365357
>F22 can't take off from a carrier and is strictly an air superiority fighter.

the u.s. could have built a massive arsenal of f-22s and upgraded every 4th gen fighter and saved a trillion fucking dollars over the F-35 program.

>>520362344
this. F35 creates a ton of GDP and jobs. OP isn't thinking 4D advanced economics.

>>520363694
The cutest fighter

>>520365809
You would have to redesign it because carrier based aircraft need to be overbuilt to withstand landing and taking off from a carrier though.

>>520363694
BIG CHUNGUS

>>520365020
>satellite guided weapons
Aka gps

>F22
Its so perfect.
Insane that the Air Force didnt spam the hell out of it in movies/tv shows/flybys at every possible sporting event/etc... Wouldve been a massive recruiting tool for any teenage male.
Too late now though since everything is gonna be drones and pilots becoming obsolete.

don't talk that way about my wife

>>520366929
Your wife is fat, FAT

>>520362202 (OP)
One single F-35 could conquer 99% of the world cope and seethe

>>520364936
Yeah the sikorsky was superior bar none. Even to operate. Helicopters and planes operate way differently. They could just slap some jet engines on the sikorsky and called it a day. But its the military so we have to constantly reinvent the fucking wheel.

>>520362202 (OP)
>This fucking thing is STILL not combat ready.
Tell that to the IRGC's snapped neck

>>520362202 (OP)
>Why are they're spending so much money on cannons and muskets? Knights with lances are so much faster and maneuverable! We should've evolved the knight concept instead of wasting money on firearms that don't even work!

>>520365316
This. If we had 5,000 stealth bombers our adversaries would go back to the cuck corner.

Here's a good comparison program.
>Anduril and the U.S. Air Force began flight testing at record speed, taking the YFQ-44A from clean-sheet design to wheels-up in just 556 days, faster than any major fighter aircraft program in recent history.
>https://interestingengineering.com/military/anduril-fighter-drone-trial-maiden-flight
Less than two years we got a functional wingman fighter drone.

>>520362202 (OP)
pierre sprey is smiling from a cloud

Israel has been fucking with Iran using F-35s completely unimpeded, they even flew over Tehran and took a picture just to prove a point

>>520367467
We're building over two hundred.
They're going to be escorted by fighter drones.
Airforce is changing quickly.

>>520366046
This is the only "devils advocate" argument. I imagine people were calling the f-16 a failure in development yet here we are. Seems like big defense is set on flying oshkosh bomb droppers. Perhaps its due to bees. Logically you want to break sound barrier 5x over but theres been too much research showing sound barrier breaches causing bees to become autistic and stop doing bee stuff.

>>520367598
>Israel has been fucking with Iran using F-35s completely unimpeded, they even flew over Tehran and took a picture just to prove a point

yeah, and the f-22 could have done it better.

>>520367282

No, retard. You can go to the GAO website and see Sikorsky didn't even have their design done.

No Army decision board is ever going to buy a manned pusher-propeller aircraft because it looks faggy and retarded.

>>520362202 (OP)
>This fucking thing is STILL not combat ready
Retard

This is now a NAFO delusion thread.
F35 has a nuculer powered masheen gun that kills 100 russias per second. Israel won because they killed the most children. Oy vey we're the real good guys. I just got back from gender reassignment surgery. I am literally a woman now.

>>520363176
There are zero noncitizens working any ITAR jobs and there are absolutely zero non-citizens working any classified programs.

>>520367752
But they bought another Osprey which is complicated, difficult to fly and kills everyone. The Sikorsky was probably a lot simpler, easier to fly and fulfilled the exact thing the Osprey is for, VTOL but also fast.

>>520362344
Yeah think of the sweet yachts the CEO's will get.

>>520366838
Yes but thats the airforce. They get nice shit. F-35 is designed to be so multimission it fucks itself up. They arent "bad" but its like when the Coast Guard sold the 225's to congress due to the SORS (spilled oil recovery system). When deployed they didnt account for oil and shit going through all the systems requiring long term dry docks after using it. Its such a joke. 0 cost accounting is whats fucking the country
>Ok army were allocating x- billions dollars per annum
>Oh you didnt spend it so we will take it away
You would think it be smart for the DOD to have its own "rainy day funds" instead of being hogtied by congress.

>>520367904
>non-citizens

Yeah that's kind of the problem. Any rapejeet can shit out a cockroach across the border, raise the rat back in India, and then send it over 18 years later to infest our tech industry. Jews and Hindus will ALWAYS place their loyalty to India/Israel and their filthy cults first and foremost. Most defense contractors are wary about hiring Asians for this reason, but jews and hindus are much worse and no one seems to talk about it. Then there is the problem of their nepotism and how they introduce incompetent 45 IQ invaders into company after company until they destroy it. Everywhere you look it's these two cults working together to destroy.

>>520363864
there are over 1000 of these fuckers with more combined flight hours of any military aircraft on earth

>>520367752
Whats it like being mentally challenged? Have you ever operated a helicopter? Its not like a fucking plane you dumb gorilla nigger. You are asking pilots to switch from "plane mode" to "helicopter mode" during lands on moving targets (see amphibs). Sikorsky was always a crayon eaters choice.

>>520365020
i can't be fucked getting into the weeds about how much you niggers don't know about anything, because fuck me i'd be here all day. regarding the f-35, i'll point out that the 2 trillion dollars is for the entire lifetime of the program, that is, 70 years. inflation adjusted flyaway cost is almost right on the money as well. you guys are just too young and lazy to dive into 30 years of program and you're also retarded.

as for the a-10, the a-10 is getting replaced because it doesn't work how you think it does. all close air support was driven to medium altitude in the 80s, because low and slow gets you killed now. this was known shortly after the a-10 entered service. for its entire career the a-10 has had to fight at medium altitude along with the f-16 and everyone else. it only got to go low after the war turned to counter insurgency. it's so slow it's low on fuel by the time it gets to station, because it was intended to fly along with the armored spear, not catch up to hajis in a hilux somewhere in sector. even in afghanistan, the b-1 lancer did more close air support; close air support is how close your munition lands to your own guys, not how low to the ground you are. the f-111 killed more tanks in gulf 1. every other air-frame also out-sortied it. it survived because it was built in mccain's district.

the gun is not cheap, about half a million dollars to load, the ammunition is crazy expensive per round. to put that into perspective, a jdam kit is about 20k. you can put that on a 2,000lb bomb. a 2000lb jdam is more accurate than the gun is. psychological impact isn't a thing, because you need living enemies to be impacted and if they're still alive you fucked up. the payload of the a-10 is small and it still has to fly at medium altitude with the rest to do its job. there is no more room in the air frame, which is about 50 years old now, for any more upgrades. the engines don't generate enough electricity to power new radar.

>>520366838
It was in the fist Michael Bay Transformers pretty prominently. I think they were a bit shy about showing accurate high def close up of it for a while though, since in 06 nobody else had stealth tech.
>>520367499
Anduril lies through their teeth constantly and that 556 days figure is complete bullshit. The YFQ-44A is adapted from a target drone designed by a company called Blue Force Technologies that they bought a couple years ago. The design work on that target drone designed started around 2016. It’s far from clean sheet while also being a much less capable design than GA’s offering, let alone designs being made ready for CCA Inc.2. It can’t even carry AMRAAMs internally and isn’t even remotely a stealth platform.
>>520367721
F-22 is a far less capable strike aircraft because its internal bays can only accommodate weapons up to the size of 1klbs bombs, while the F-35 can fit a 2klbs bomb and an AMRAAM in each bay.

>>520365131
>because the f-22 is fucking baller. we already developed it
>we

>>520367977
The deciding factor was range. They plan to fight in the Pacific and the tiltrotor could fly a lot farther. No other factor matters if one can get to a fight and the other can’t

>>520368435
>klbs
lmao

>>520362202 (OP)
>This fucking thing is STILL not combat ready.
>doing flawless combat missions for years

>>520368435
f-22 was designed to take external stores from the beginning. you can see the plans if you get yourself a janes all the worlds aircraft circa 1997.

>>520368642
It took down that balloon with extreme prejudice defending our homeland

>failure of the F-35 program
With how many trillion$ have been exchanged for the jetsam, and how many gullible goy nations bought into the boondoggle, I think that you'll find that the (((program))) has been a resounding $ucce$.

>didn't even need to create a false flag / war to profit

>>520368435
>F-22 is a far less capable strike aircraft
This >>520368790
iirc the F22 has something like 6 external hardpoints and can carry I think an additional 8000lbs?

>>520368790
I’m aware of the external pylons but if it mounts them it takes a drag penalty and stops being stealthy. The F-35 can carry bigger weapons in the bays while also still having external pylons, making it better for both stealthy strike and sandbox bomb trucking

>>520368858
that was an f-22

People don't seem to understand that the F-22 was designed in the 1990's. The tech has radically changed since then, which is why the F-35 has far superior avionics. They are designing the replacement at this moment.

Also all of Europe is buying F-35's, so clearly America won.
>I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not!

>>520368948
>I’m aware of the external pylons but if it mounts them it takes a drag penalty and stops being stealthy. The F-35 can carry bigger weapons in the bays while also still having external pylons, making it better for both stealthy strike and sandbox bomb trucking

none of those benefits were worth the massive price tag of the f-35. Which, still is inferior to the f-22 in like every performance measurement.

>>520368642
>>This fucking thing is STILL not combat ready.
>>doing flawless combat missions for years

stfu nigger. this program is such a boondoogle. they still can't fucking delivery these things on time and readiness is 55% because it's a piece of shit.

>>520369120
forgot pic

>>520368931
Assuming you meant the F-35 then yeah, per the manufacturer pretty spot on. 4x air to ground capable plus the two sidewinder pylons. Inboard pair is apparently rated up to 5k but I don’t think they have anything in that weight class integrated yet. Might be useful in the future once 6th gens are the speartip for the standoff missile truck role they want to use the F-15EX for.

>>520362202 (OP)
Can't believe those kikes south of the border wanted us to buy their garbage

How do I become a military autist? Is there a youtube channel?

why shitskins on /pol/ seethe about F35 so much?

>>520369321
We all know that as soon as the fighters blow through air defense they are going to come in with big ass cargo planes that dump 10,000 drones that will kill every soldier in the area. That's the future.

>>520369122
I haven’t seen a single per unit estimate that places the F-35 anywhere near the unit cost of an F-22. The F-22 was drastically more expensive per plane. The total estimated program cost of the F-35 is higher because they are planning to build over 3000 of them and keep them in service through the 2070s, while under 200 F-22s were built and the Air Force is already considering retiring the earliest blocks of them because they aren’t sure they are worth the cost to upgrade to them.

>>520362202 (OP)
It cost 2 Excadrillion zogbot fiat fractional reserve printed out of thin air upon issuance of the loan United States of America Federal Reserve Notes. ***Disclaimer: United States Federal Reserve Notes commonly known as United States Dollars are not actually currency of the United States of America, United States Federal Reserve Notes are the property of a private entity known as the Federal Reserve.***

Who cares? This bullshit money isn't real anyway. Buy gold, fuck white women and have kids, ignore and if necessary kill niggers.

>>520365020
>and it's actually insulting they rewarding lockheed with more gibs
The F-47 is Boeing.

>>520366838
>everything is gonna be drones
drones are in two different main categories.
their role in reconnaissance is a cheap equivalent to satellite target acquisition
their role as attack drones are a cheap imitation of standoff missiles.
drones would not have anywhere near the same utility as they do in the russian invasion where resource constraints and dug in trench warfare is a thing.
modern combat is a robust satellite constellation and a boat load of vls cells to flatten any buildup of substance

>>520362202 (OP)
Lockheed Martin and the DoD need those surplus profit funds to funnel them to what they really want: crash retrievals and reverse engineering of GFW spaceships.

>>520369321
Nah I was talking about the F22

>>520369633
Right now they’re working on something called Rapid Dragon that’s basically that but with cruise missiles instead of drones. I think plans for what you’re talking about are in the works but don’t know we’ve been given a public program name. They are definitely planning to replace attack helicopters by turning an MV-75 into a small version of what you’re talking about also. Of course they can’t just call them drones so they’re “Air Launched Effects” now.

>>520365020
>stfu. irrelevant. and it's actually insulting they rewarding lockheed with more gibs after fucking up the f-35 so bad.
F47 project went to Boeing

>>520369961
Then I don’t think we’ve ever seen them carry those, at least with a quick search I can’t find a picture. They can definitely do drop tanks, 2x AMRAAMs on at least one of the pylons, and that podded IRST they’re working on. External bombs though I can’t find and they may not have wanted to pay for the weapon integration and separation testing.

>>520365020
The contract went to the military branch of boeing. The F35 is export driven and is seen more as a "do it all" fighter meant to be bought as a sort of crown vic by multiple nations. If it were crucial defense tech like the f22, rq180, sr72 or NGAD it wouldn't be exported to other nations. It was meant to replace planes like the f15 and the a10. In a way its supposed to be more of a cash cow.

>>520368309
This- i will say though, most of my friends in the airforce say the f35s are nightmares to work on. The multirole designation fucked it up - its trying to do too many things at once and became overengineered.

>>520364474
Not being much of a military/hollywood/america guy, I don't think I've ever seen the a10 from this angle. Is that the most cock-shaped plane ever made? Either way, it's very cock-like, which makes the A10 is even more based than I thought.

>>520368271
Nah, you don't get it. Foreign contacts, especially those living with you, are detrimental to clearance approval. Special access programs are even more discriminatory about these things. You can be an American born jeet, but if you or your parents even have a bank account in India, you're washed out before they even start investigating.

That's why it's so nice to work in defense.

>>520362202 (OP)
Lean back for a moment and let sink in the unfathomable idea that Germoney is going to buy even more of them flying coffins for billions to support America's MIC while deindustrializing themselves to death after America blew up their Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

>>520371525
They need something that is compatible with US nuclear bombs to hold up their end of the nuclear sharing agreement, and want something stealth. It’s the only thing on the export market that checks those boxes, while their 6th gen program with France is the bumpiest in the world and may or may not break up soon. Their only other options would be GCAP, which won’t be ready for a decade plus, F-47 which may not be available when done, or partnering with South Korea or Turkey on their 5th gens that still use US components.

>>520368413
/k/ troon take. Hows oinkraine going?

>>520367977

1) no, it was not simpler. Counter rotating of the Sikorsky blades caused multiple issues, vs the one way rotation of the bell option. That doesn't even factor in the position of each individual rotor blade.

Sikorsky wasn't simple, it was just retarded in another manner. They weren't even as fast as other non-pusher helicopters.

>>520368377

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were talking to the other person in this conversation. Landing on moving targets is not difficult with modern set ups vs. prior generations.

If you can't fucking press the order of buttons that say "hey pilot, convert and land" then you shouldn't be an army aviator.

>>520372167
>/k/ troon take

/k/ being turned into a hive of plebbit faggots is such a travesty. fuck dem' cuck retards.

>>520364474
the planes left their zipper open, and their wheels are sticking out

>>520362202 (OP)
You are brown, communist and retarded. At the same time

>>520369633
or in trailers as ukies did some months ago

Do not engage with russian or chinese shills. Simply sage and report.

>>520371525
Did the US force them to demolish their nuclear plants?

>>520362202 (OP)
>brown

And you think your opinion matters subhuman?

>>520362202 (OP)

STFU lol. Spewing zigger chink propaganda. F35 is THE most sophisticated fighter jet in the world. Nothing even comes close. F35 isn't just a fighter jet. It's like having the entire military apparatus of a country in the sky.

>>520363220
I really really like this post

>>520367479
is that the world's most expensive fireball?

>>520366838
for what it's worth
I played "Raptor: Call of the Shadows" when I was like 5 and instantly wanted to be a pilot and fly through F-22
later in life played it in ace combat
brainwashing propaganda worked

>>520367479
male or female pilot is the real question

>>520364474
ayy i worked on those. I love mentioning that to any army or marine vets, seeing their eyes light up is great.
>>520373339
the wheels don't fully retract in order to aid in a belly landing.

>>520376348
that game fucking rules

>>520376169
No, the most expensive fireball was that space shuttle that blew up while going up.

>>520362202 (OP)
Seeth, faggut

>>520362512
definetly didnt cost this much, you pulled that out of your ass.

>>520362512
>a serious country would execute the people responsible for this massive failure-
Oy vey!

>>520362202 (OP)
Yes. They eventually saw that it was shit, delayed it 10 to 15 years in order to turn it into a flying supercomputer.

Democracy

>>520364474
They are retired, bro.

>>520363694
>Boeing
>Falls apart

>>520367479
>>520376169
>>520376708

If I recall, there was some sort of avionics issue, and they literally had the engineers on the phone trying to trouble shoot the issue for like an hour before the pilot just said fuck it and ejected.

>>520365316
If all you wanted was a stealth craft that delivers bombs then unironically the F35 as it was unveiled 19 years ago would have been fine for that. The whole problem with the jet is these roles it is supposed to fill because it is a jack of all trades, master of none. The story back then was that it was inferior to the F16 in a dog fight when they tested it. The airforce couldn't justify buying a DOWNGRADE in air capability. That's why they stuffed all this meme technology into it in an attempt to make up for what is objectively a poor performing air frame. The half a million dollar helmet that conflicted with the canopy is a good example, where if the helmet was a part of the original design, this never would have happened.

>>520362202 (OP)
>This fucking thing is STILL not combat ready.
it has been kicking the shit out of russians and russian hardware in syria and iran for years now

>The U.S. could have literally saved a trillion dollars by continuing the f-22 program
the f-22 and f-35 have two completely different roles and are completely different fighters. hope that helps

>>520381798
Nobody gives a fuck about your airframes and dogfighting since iran-Iraq war
It's a strike aircraft first, doubled as a fighter because it's good enough at that too

>>520381670
Snow found its way into a hydraulic fluid reservoir meaning there was water contamination in the hydraulic lines once pumped into the plane. This then led to the lines freezing and locking certain control surfaces in place, leading to the plane believing it was on the ground and not behaving as it would if it knew it was flying. IIRC this eventually led to the pilot losing control of the plane entirely and forcing an ejection. Basically they never considered the ground crew fucking up how they did when writing the flight software and that caused the crash.
>>520381798
That was something the media made up when they were still proving the flight envelope for the F-35. It was electronically limited from maneuvering to its full capability because they had yet to prove the plane would behave the same irl as it did in their simulations. Now that that’s done the F-35 is generally described as having a good mix of the sustained turn of an F-16 with the nose authority of a Hornet. It also has a massive advantage in that it doesn’t need to carry three large drop tanks to have useful range, carries its AMRAAMs internally so doesn’t take a drag penalty, and of course is stealth so it can detect the non stealth F-16 at a range multiple times higher than an F-16 can hope to detect it. It is a much more capable aircraft c

>>520362202 (OP)
10 years ago everyone was hyping this up as some sort of super AI weaponry that could destroy entire flees of ships from hundreds of miles away and that the USA was some super juggernaut with the most advanced tech in this thing.

>>520362202 (OP)
Op is retarded. As usual, Israel is the one to show us what works and what doesn't. The f35 has already seen combat in the middle east and has been deployed against Russia's best air defenses, the s400. It did just fine.

Yes it has development issues. That's old news. OP you're retarded and living in 2020. Stop shitting up the board.

>>520382505
everyone has been calling it a piece of shit for years.

>>520382089
>the f-22 and f-35 have two completely different roles and are completely different fighters. hope that helps

find a rope faggot.

>>520382089
>it has been kicking the shit out of russians and russian hardware in syria and iran for years now

>syria.

didn't need to spend hundreds of billions on a meme jet to get the same result.

>>520381670
>the pilot just said fuck it and ejected.

kek

>>520381414
the upgrade path was always built into the design. it was supposed to be fucking seamless. another giant fucking failure.

>>520367375
OP obviously watched one documentary and thanks he's an expert now.

>>520362202 (OP)

They can't fly without rare earths.
This is why you suck Chinese dicks now all day long western zionist dogs. Because your aircrafts are started dropping during flights

F35 was designed to make shitloads of money. Trying to make one do-everything plane to satisfy everyone is a fools errand.

>>520364011
It depends on what kind of clouds.
No plane in earth can go into a thuder clouds and survive.
They have radars for them to avoid them.
No plane. It is lethal danger for them.

>>520364474
The ugliest pieces of shit ever a10 subsonic front fighter aircraft

>>520370178
Lmao OP is a fag

>>520362202 (OP)
maybe soon people will realize that these grand promises are nothing but grifting scams on a billion to trillion dollar scale

>>520382866
>>520383929

stfu you nip retard. Learn how to fucking read. The program is a fucking wasteful disaster. the f-35 is a hunk of shit that can barely meet 50% readiness. The U.S. would have been better off continuing the f-22 program and updating 4th gen jets, and building drones. the f-35 is such a fucking waste. but enjoy paypigging for lockheed faggot. the hidden costs are tons of fun. Ironic, really. This thing was supposed to be such a value, it's flight times are twice the cost of everything else. the f-15ex fucking mogs it too.

>>520363694

>they had Boeing X32, the perfect plane, but they chose the inferior one. Retards.

Jane's Advanced Tactical Fighters!

>>520384335
Lmao so mad. Doesn't understand anything. Thinks the f16 could beat it in a dogfight. Lmao. Watch more documentaries, fag.

>>520362202 (OP)
>Still not ready
Didn't the j00z dab on Iran's S400s with these things just a few months ago?

>>520362202 (OP)
Based and rotpilled

>>520362202 (OP)
Anon, you have to realize it made a few people very, very, very rich. That's all that matters. That's literally all our nation exists for now. It's pure plutocracy and soon to be a totalitarian oligarchy. If AI succeeds it'll be a techno-oligarchy, but same shit just with a lot more surveillance and bits flying around the wire.

In case my fellow mutts haven't realized it yet, we're unironically slaves.

>>520362202 (OP)
So where is your superior fighter jet? Oh that's right. You don't have one. You're just a fucking faggot. Good for you, faggot.

>>520385545
They did. OP watched a documentary from 2018 and made a thread about it because he's an unrelenting queermaxxing, certified, bonified first class faggot.

Shame that the ruskies went broke in the 90s. This shit would have been so cool.

>>520385428
>Doesn't understand anything

still can't make a specific point. still can't fucking read. fucking nip sperg.

>>520385598
it's called the f-22. I'm a U.S. citizen dipshit.

>>520362202 (OP)
Go back to War Thunder, Collgate.

>>520385777
You're a fucking retard with no reading comprehension. Enjoy the paypig slop.

The magnitude of incompetence surrounding the f-35 program can't be understated. The U.S. lit a trillion dollars on fucking fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LReZ4ejDjpw

>>520385827
You've already been btfo in your own thread. A few months ago Israel demonstrated that you're wrong about everything. It's the only point that needed to be made. The thread is over.

Now this thread is about making fun of you .

>>520362202 (OP)
0/10 didn't randomly compare it to some chinkslop and insinuate China is a rising power rather than a stagnant one, very unimplessive post and much loss of faceuru

>>520386196
>You've already been btfo in your own thread. A few months ago Israel demonstrated that you're wrong about everything. It's the only point that needed to be made. The thread is over.

it's the fucking nip saying nothing again.

I keep telling you to learn how to fucking read, because it's obvious what a clueless retard you are. The U.S. didn't need the f-35 to do anything Israel has done. You dumb fucking faggot. The f-22 is a superior stealth fighter in nearly every way. that's the fucking point, you stupid fucking nip.

>>520365307
>the f-35 program because they wanted allies to pay pig
it needed to be VERTOL for the fucking Euro customers who can't tail hook carrier landings. and thefag USMC who needed "jump jets"

>>520385561
>rotpilled

i'm in paraguay for a reason. About to max off my business credit cards and ride into the sunset. There probably isn't much time left.

>>520386436
You don't know what a strike craft is. God damn you're retarded. I'm out.

>>520386832
go on, get. you stupid ESL faggot.

>>520385545
>>520385777
If they did Tehran would look like Gaza.

You "murica stronk" types have close to zero critical thinking capabilities and will eat up any Jewish media psyop as long it's not leftist.

You never read sun tzu?
Appear weak when you are strong

>>520363694
holy shit that thing is ugly

>>520362202 (OP)
>paragay flag talking about the failure of us society
every single thing you use in your day to day life is an american invention. you are probably alive thanks to the US giving your country gibs. now keep your mouth shut slave.

>>520388427
>that underbite
lel

boing

>>520388123
>Still believing in this made up shit
Retard