Thread 520378814

I’m 25, I make about $70k a year driving a trash truck. Live with my mom still, can’t afford to move out and get my own place. Dating scene is a nightmare, I’ve never been in a relationship and why would I want to be when I don’t even have my own house and make shit money. Went to college at 18, dropped out at 19 because I realized how gay and a waste of time/money it was. 19-22 I fell for the trades meme, ended up hurting my back on a job and was a cripple for about a year. By the grace of God I healed and worked odd jobs until I started working for a trash co. Despite all that it seems my situation is better than most. My friends are all in debt either from a useless degree or cc’s, unemployed, or work some minimum wage job. The guys I know in the trades are all getting less work due to how shitty the economy is. What is the way for young men to get ahead? Do I have to work in Alaska on an oil rig, or be a merchant marine or something? With AI coming all these learn to code bros are getting replaced, as is anyone with a meme degree.

Dress up as batman and scream RACHEL at passing women until one reacts positively

>>520378814 (OP)
i make less than you and live in my own place
you are making excuses/lying

>>520378814 (OP)
Just wait it out and see if conditions improve. If you're making $70k, living at home and still can't make anything happen for you, there's nothing you can realistically do. You'll just kill yourself chasing something that isn't going to happen.

>>520378873
This is still more likely to land you a girlfriend at some point than joining tinder as a sub-Chad/bottom 95% male in 2025 lol

Why lie to him? I remember being 25 years ago when it wasn't as bad and it was still miserable. This country is absolute utter dogshit for young men and has been for like 20 years.

>>520378814 (OP)
Multi generational households bro. and marry a foreign chick.

Robinhood

>>520379038
I really refuse to believe I'm a top 5% male just because I've fucked a few girls and I get a side eye+hair push or two when I go places. I'm like 18% bodyfat, 5'10, and have a sixhead. You guys must be legit crippled freaks

>>520379182
society is trash, welcome

>>520378888
>>520378991
I live on the West Coast I’m not lying. A shitshack where I live is like $500k. I’ve only been working this gig for a year. I could move to North Dakota or something but there’s no jobs.

>>520379281
Explaining the job market to bootstrapniggers is like explaining per capita to regular niggers, don't bother

>>520378814 (OP)
>I’m 25
>Live with my mom still
>never been in a relationship

It's over.

>>520379281
stop making excuses
my employment was WAY more precarious than yours'
and i made it work, you think anyone's gonna help you?
you alread have a huge advantage at your income level

>>520379182
Incels are basically emasculation fetishists

>>520378814 (OP)
>makes 70k a year
>stable employment
>claims to be unable to move out
What. What the FUCK.
Whatever. Just go back to consooming I guess.

>>520379093
My stepdad is thinking of buying 40 acres out in the forest. It’s about 30min out of town (we live in the PNW) but he said I could build something and have animals there. Except the property really wouldn’t be “mine” you know.

>>520379120
Stock market is a meme

>>520379182
Get yourself tested. Congrats on being a manwhore. Now find yourself a wife.

>>520379390
I refuse to give up bro. When I’m 35 then maybe yeah it’s over and I’ll go to the Philippines or something.
>>520379392>>520379522
I just started this job 9 months ago niggers. Didn’t have much to show for it before that, drank a lot in my early twenties.

>>520379546
>My stepdad

It's over for this lad

>>520378814 (OP)
Do you have 200 bucks to spare per month? Put that in the market. What you want is a place to put the money so it grows and is able to beat inflation. Money in your savings account = literally rotting away in its value. If you can find somewhere, something, that appreciates in value, then technically you are building wealth. But I wouldn’t recommend buying Gold atm since it blew up and became kind of a meme. But do look into stocks / mutual funds that pay dividends so you can reinvest and Lee contributing every month. VTSAX for example, I am seeing a 30% return so far. You just have to be disciplined.
I’m about to turn 40, and let me tell you. You shouldn’t really count on getting a woman nowadays. While it may feel like life is gonna be a long grind when you’re in your 20s. But I can guarantee you life is better when you’re not in a relationshit or you have to pay alimony/child support. Women will not bring you happiness. At best they can make you feel sexually satisfied which you can do with your hand but at worst they can sap the life out of you. You will always be paying for sex.
Find ways to be comfortable alone. When you reach the second half of your life, as you watch your peers who’re either divorced or who’re stuck in sexless marriage. You’ll be thankful that you’re still a single man. It really is a gift that you don’t know the value of but the longer you walk this earth the more you’ll begin to cherish and appreciate it. Especially when you become older to think clearly and see what woman nature is all about.

>>520379338
It's actual shills. No white man under the age of 60 could fail to understand the dire economic situation at this point. Yet somehow the first few replies to every thread about being poor is "you're just not trying". Best to just ignore such demoralization attempts

>>520379390
Your wizard powers don’t start until 30.

>>520379991
Thanks for the advice anon. I’m not paying into a 401k because I wasn’t sure I was gonna stick around with this gig but now with how the economy is it is a safe job. Will max the 401k w/ company match (5%). I prob got like $3k a month to play with. What do you think of silver and crypto?

>>520378814 (OP)
If you're still a wagie then your are a midwit. The only way to get ahead today is to do something yourself. You can't make enough to live as a wagie today. You have to figure out something yourself.

>>520380459
“Just do something bro”

You’re the one who sounds like a midwit. Yeah like what?

>>520378814 (OP)
Do not fucking move out. You'll never save anywhere even near as much as you are now if you're paying rent.
Stack up savings until you can make a down payment. e.g. Condo in a desirable area, possibly turn it into an airbnb.

>>520378814 (OP)
For every dollar you pay in taxes on each paycheck, you could steal that amount of more from the top corpos like Walmart, Target, and chain grocery stores. Don’t hit the same store in 1 month (cctv dvrs typically last ~30 days), and do it a town or two over. Burdenmax back, fren

>>520379057
How did you end up anon?

>>520379897
Alright Seamus

>>520380574
The condo thing I was thinking about. However don’t they have stupidly high HOA fees?

>>520380586
Yeah until they build a case on you after you go over a thousand and you’ve got a felony. Also I’m not a nigger and don’t steal.

>>520379057
I had this conversation with a friend tonight. I was 18 years old in 1999. I made $11 an hour framing houses. I shared a decent two bedroom apartment with a friend. It was $450 a month including water and electricity. I had a new F150 4x4, the payment was $260 a month. Insurance was around $80. Gas was $1.10, you could take $5 to taco bell and get more food than you could eat.

I could cover mosy all of my bills for the month with on weeks 50 hour paycheck. There's really no way in hell an 18 year old male can do this today. It's just not fucking possible anymore. If young guys today want to make it they have to go start something themselves. That's the only way to make enough money to have a decent life today. Jobs don't cut it anymore. You have to be working for yourself.

>>520379897
>my wife’s boyfriend

>>520380572
I don't know, fucker. I have no idea what you are capable of. What I do know is if you keep depending on others to tell you what to do to make money (a boss) you're probably never going to make enough money to do what you want in life.

>>520380731
Some do some don't. Shopping for it takes time, but it's definitely doable.

>>520380419
Stop. Always pay into 401K or IRA That shit builds up and when you can finally take it’s out it’s tax free. Always be contributing.
I do not recommend crypto because it’s volatile and despite what people on this site will tell you, the landscape of crypto is ruthless and literally is about taking money out of people. Don’t come crying to us when you lose all your hard earned cash.
What you want to do is long and hold.
I am confident enough that I know I don’t have to do anything in 10 years and I can come back and look at my portfolio, god forbid unless there will be a nuclear war, the value will grow. Remember, time in market beats timing the market.
Look at PLTR, imagine if you had the presence of mind even just a year ago to have gotten in at $40, where would you be at now?
Just remember, you want wins like that. A little 20% here, a little 30% there. For as long as you are beating inflation, you’re winning and you will be in a much better position than a chump who kept his money in his bank account.
Real wealth accumulation is slow and steady. Either you diversify, or you do some serious research, learn about market cap, learn about PE ratio, check out earnings, and read more articles about the general state of the world and put your money in a company that is solid like TMUS.

>>520381103
What do you do? Something in construction? If you’re not a wagie for a company, then you’re a wagie for your own company trying to keep it afloat. I worked for a small construction company and my boss was like a slave to the clients. Yeah he was “free”, but he had to worry about paying us, contracts, and getting jobs lined up.

>>520378814 (OP)
What degree do you need to work on an oil rig in Alaska?

>>520381103
I’m good at cooking that doesn’t mean I should start a food truck.
>>520381620
Thanks for the advice anon.

>>520378814 (OP)
>Dear diary.....
Who told you this was your blog, faggot?

>>520378814 (OP)
Thats your lot in life. Bin man and no pussy, dying with cash in the bank. Anhero if you don't like it

>>520378814 (OP)
Just man up and talk to women.

They are lonely and want love and affection but you already wrote them off without even trying.

>>520379546
homeschool/virtual school your kids with parental adult restriction, computer, teach your kids to shoot guns , martial arts, lift weights, calisthenics, sports and shit, network with other based white families and their kids, make money and shit, idk

>>520382237
Lastly, don’t panic sell. People say diamond hands for a reason.
You have to truly set your sight long, not 1 week, or 1 month, but think in years.
People make the mistake of seeing red, they think they’re down 15% and hastily sell it to stop the loss. Nobody really can predict the future. If you’re in, you’re in.
Look at crowdstrike for example. Back in July 2024 they dipped hard because of the glitch but notice how they are still around and now doing better than ever. Sometimes you just have to know that one bad news you see is not the end of the world. It’s all about the value of the product and services they provide and understanding what kind of position a company is at against its competitors. Front runners can make the mistake of tripping over but you shouldn’t react to daily noise. Do your research and have confidence in your decision making ability and confirm to yourself you’re in it for the long haul. I wish I was as forward thinking as you are when I was your age. You coming here asking for advice is already way better than a lot of lost souls out there.
Chin up, you’re going to make it.

>>520378814 (OP)
there is no way forward for men, this is a feminist hellhole and when you want to be a man here you will be destroyed. i live in clownworld for 42 years as a man.

you will be attacked by everyone, the minorities, the feminazis and their cuvks. its a war against you, the whole time.

the soifuks just sit there and do nothing, they take all this. this cant be happening.
only very very few men actually take a stand. like 5 or so. this is all doomed. youre completely doomed, im sorry man.

these men here all fuken useless, completely fuken useless. they throw away everything to get their dicks wet. youre all doomed. its not just over, you will live in feminazi hell.

theres nothing you can do the odds are stacked against you. these 5 guys wont do fuck all.

you are all passive pussies, no action, nothing. just obedience.

OBEDIENCE to your own end. YOU OWN END!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEN JUST SHRUG!!!!!!!

you go digital. make a vlog that details your life and experience. that's what various japs are doing. i've seen dozens, by both guys in ladies. "life as a salaryman in japan". many of them are totally silent, too, and just have subtitles. then go from there.

this makes me very angry sometimes and reading your pussyfaggot shit is the cherry on top. i dont know who raised you useless faggots, but it wasnt me.

>>520378814 (OP)
The money you earn is good. Work on yourself, if you have some interests develop a skill towards that. Don't focus on a woman or god forbid getting married. Go to church, if you're ready god will send you a nice girl, if she has tattoos and an attitude it's satan instead, stay away. Learn to be ok with yourself, you're not missing out on anything besides soul draining drama, so you're good

>>520381626
You're right, there is a definite difference between just having a business of your own and actually working for yourself. My first business was building fences and decks when I was 19. I had my own business, but I was still dependant on the customer to provide the work. That's not really working for yourself, you're just working for a client at that point. I did that for about five years, then I started getting new construction homes to build. I was still working for other people but bigger jobs. It got bigger and I was working for developers. I made really good money, but even though I had my own construction business, I was still working for other people. I was still dependent on someone else to start the project.

I had always wanted a beach house so I bought some land and built a house on the beach. Just for me. No one employed me to build that house, I did it with my own fruition. When I got the appraisal on the house, I immediately put it up for sale and started building another. After that I was working for myself. No one was asking me or paying me to make beach homes. I was building homes just for my benefit. No one had employed me to build those homes. I was really working for myself.

If you want to skip to the next level in life, figure out something to do yourself. Figure out someway to make/build/create something yourself without anyone employing you to do it. Go build something without anyone asking you to build it, then you will really be working for yourself.

Now I own a restaurant/bar on the beach, but that's just more of a place holder for the land than an actual business. It does a great business, but it's sort of pointless.

I’m in my 30s and people are still like this in my age bracket. The only people who seem to be doing well are those who inherited wealth or were very physically attractive to get a woman to split the bills with. Essentially a handsome man with an Instagram blonde are the only people who managed to “make it.”

Most people, even in their 30s live at home or the alternative is having a bunch of shitty polyamorous lefty roommates in a dysfunctional household that smells like cat piss and sabotage. Said household is usually full of people working retail or selling drugs at liberal bars. All the tradies are ex military racking up a hell of a lot of debt from credit cards and buying steroids.

>>520382553
Not into whores but thanks
>>520382659
Sounds good.
>>520383890
Being an influencer is gay. No one wants to watch a trash guy work.
>>520384145
Haven’t been to church in a while. Prob where I live church is for reformed 304s. I’m sure there are some unicorns out there that aren’t taken but I’ve never met one.

>>520383791
You know what’s worse? Living in a feminized hellhole where the simps are the biggest problem and also work in government with attack dogs against you. PLUS there’s a massive drug problem that just makes everyone even shittier and more predatory.

Imagine a city or county run by your typical geeky left-leaning Redditors, except everyone’s a drug addict or alcoholic living in a delusional mindset. Like imagine a Walmart community with the policies of Portland.

>>520384524
>influencer is gay
it is. don't do it. what i meant was a more "reality" approach.
>No one wants to watch a trash guy work.
you are not your job. but others may be interdasted in that line of work. that comedian guy, shane gillis, has the #1 podcast on patreon. his co-host is a guy named matt. both just worked regular jobs before getting into standup. matt's brother drove trash trucks before starting a podcast (called warmode) where he just talks about conspiratorial shit and jokes about his work with his co-host. eventually matt's brother made enough from patreon to quit his job. with digital shit you may get lucky and strike it rich. of course warmode got a huge boost from matt and shane.

i'm thinking about starting a DEINFLUENCER account. "here is my boring life in america. don't come here, you won't make it."

>>520384524
A woman beside you is the byproduct of what you've built

>>520379991
Should've got quads, great post. Thank you. Been letting the bad thoughts win; this calmed me. Yeah. I really likely will be happier. I am NOT every guy, I have two major peculiarities that didnt prevent me from dating but they always come up and therapy didnt stop it. I'm a paranoid guy. Its a death sentence to all romance. Alone? It hurts to not hold or be held, but you appreciate the few hugs you get more. You feel sensitively this way, I dont hate it. I actually think I hated being a brute and taking sex the way girls wanted me to. I hate modern sex dynamics, thats not gay is it? I never wondered, but I dont want to like take and rape the way women want you to and the way other guys talk of it. I want Love and sensual acceptance which I have had but its fleeting under the Paranoia

>>520380810
You definitely shouldn't steal from Walmart. Don't wear nondescript clothing, a covid mask, and sunglasses, even though some of their employees wear that exact outfit all day so you won't stand out. Don't avoid looking homeless by being clean and presentable, since this would make it harder for loss protection to profile you. Don't check around nearby to make sure there are no jeetas since LP prefers them for plainclothes security. Don't go in, wander a few minutes, grab an item when no one is looking, wander around a bit more checking your six for LP following you, and then just walk out the door like you own it, since this pattern makes reviewing cctv footage a pain in the ass to figure out when an item went missing. Don't bring scissors to cut packaging free from locking display hooks. Don't refuse to speak or make eye contact if somebody tries to stop you, since this makes it harder for employees and good samaritans to figure out if you already paid for the item or not. Don't continue without stopping for any reason. If you did any of this, then cool people on the internet who definitely have your best interests in mind would call you a nigger. Remember, record corporate profits are only for niggers to take.

>>520382237
>I’m good at cooking that doesn’t mean I should start a food truck.

No, mother fucker, it does not mean you should open a food truck because you like cooking. You need to throw whatever the fuck you're good at or like to do out the window, who gives a fuck? You need to go do something that makes money.

Like I said, I started building fences. Have you ever built a fence? It fucking sucks ass, building houses fucking sucks. I didn't do it because I was good at it. I didn't do it because I liked it. I did it because it was the best way to make money at the time with my own business.

Also, if LP or an employee follows or stops you, don't go right up to them and ask them to check the price for you, then say "It's cheaper on Amazon, I'm just going to order it there" as this would make it harder to tell you from a regular annoying customer

Im an engineer with 5 years experience, shouldnt i be making twice as much as a trash truck driver in theory? Im only manking 102k a year, my boomer coworkers also make shit for their excperince yet think its high pay. Thinking of quitting and demanding like 120k based on the fact trash truck driver make 70k. In 2019 u would be making like 50k at best. I would be making 102k if I had 5 years experience. Seems like only city workers updated they payment plans

>>520384872
You either love women or you understand them.
You’ll live long enough to understand how a woman’s mind works and when you do, It will send shivers down your spine because men and women are radically different despite what mainstream media and feminists are desperately trying to convince you otherwise.
Everything that don’t make sense to men appeal to women and accountability is a non existent concept to them.
The most dangerous thing a man can do is to trust that a woman will “know what is good”. They don’t, they seldom do, and there is a reason why if left to women to run everything the entire civilization will crumble overnight. What you’re seeing is just a train wreck in slow motion.
Love is a concept only men understand. Women don’t love men the way men love women. A woman’s love is transactional while a man’s love can be deep and romantic. You can’t fault them because for millennia they need to manipulate men for their survival. It’s how nature built them, it is the curse of being able to give birth. They are solipsistic and will do everything for their survival even if it means acting in the most immoral way possible because morality is a weak and almost nonexistent concept to them.
The only woman that will love you unconditionally is your mother. Do not try and seek unconditional love from another woman. You will ALWAYS be disappointed.
A woman finds TRUE LOVE when she gives birth to her child. Not when she meets her boyfriend, not when she marries her man. The mother and child bond is the only true bond that will make a woman love unconditionally. This is also why it is incredibly stupid and sad to watch so many women throw away the keys to true love by not bringing a child to the world for they have been lied to and mislead into believing child bearing is detrimental to their happiness.
There is nothing wrong with you, or men but there is a reason why the snake sought out Eve to deceive rather than Adam.

>>520378814 (OP)
Go get certs to do water purification. The boomers weren't hiring anyone for years in the water treatment plants and now they're all retiring.
You'll start at like $45k and work up to around $100k, but you can work pretty much anywhere in the US, including very low cost of living area.

t. know a few guys that do this

>>520386470
It's depressing to know this but still delude yourself on occasion. Not sure how to cope with it myself. 29 yo with no relationship history, barely any dating (2 periods of light dating, all within 1.5 years), and only casual sex to fill the gaps. It gets grim to think about how utterly incompatible I am with most chicks, even when I'm being realistic and considerate of my flaws. Bars are a dead end, all the worst personalities for women congregate there for casual stuff. Church is a joke. Poaching service workers is dumb but the most practical thing I can do, and why would I? Like you said, women don't think like men. What's the point in working hard to secure the affection of some broke teen/20-27yo? Seems soul crushing to miss out on family life, but I'm not even sure that's possible in the absolutely demented social landscape of the modern world, especially in the US. I genuinely pity any honest man these days, because both sexes are full of opportunistic shitheads making things worse overall.

>>520386470
>>520387057
You guys are depressing af

>>520387057
Friendly reminder to those lurking: Drinking yourself to death won't make you feel better. I still drink hard on occasion to numb myself to the world, but it will start to fuck with your health if you don't watch it. Tone it down to one or twice a week, don't drink at home, distract yourself in the gym or with a hobby, go outside to a decent trail or fishing spot if need be. Wallowing in drunken misery slowly poisons you to the world, and you mistake jadedness with wisdom.

>>520378814 (OP)
we're still a long way from AI replacing coders completely. its worth pursuing in the short time. that or use AI to tell you what the fuck to do. try to make money while you're young (I was 27 when I chose my field) and within a year or two I had a house and lots of shit. it sucks to make the steps to improve your situation because it usually takes sacrifice or humility but the end results are worth it. become an OTR truck driver and make six figures before you turn 30

>>520382553
It all comes down to this. The women hate threads are just a safe space for losers that didn’t develop beyond the age of 12 and get over their fear of asking out a woman of their own race. I’m a zoomer too so don’t give me any of your fucking excuses. I’m not 6 feet or 6 figures, GO MAKE MORE WHITE PEOPLE

>>520386470
You were doing good until you went into incel dribble.
>women can't love
>only a mother could love you
Okay, Ed Gein.

Women can actually love more than men, because they're dumb and lack reason. If a woman loves a man she can look past most anything. He can be the biggest peice of shit on the planet, and she will chase him.
>it's transactional
No, it is obviously not for some of them. There are plenty of stupid women in love with men who suck them dry. You're coming at this from a cuck incel point of view. They are absolutely the dumber more easily subverted sex. They believe in "love" more than most any man. They're just fucking dumb and easily swayed. If a woman actually loves you in her mind she will do unreasonable things for you.

Women will go to psychopathic levels for men they "love."

>>520387185
Yeah what happens when you're ready to switch but fast approaching 30? I thought long and hard about the merchant marine, but on the transpo board the job market is fucked, with lots of training schools farting out grads with no gigs lined up. Same deal for trades, all the people I know trying to get in are fucked and dead in the water, even good offers got pulled due to the lack of work. One of these people was a chick, so they're not indulging in women either. It's bad.
>>520387143
Life is rough, but the small stuff makes you appreciate it. Lofty ambitions are nice when the room is there for them, but right now we're speedrunning techno feudalism. I'm waiting on skynet to put us out of our misery or free us from the merchants.

>>520387389
You just sound like you gave up before even hitting the halfway point dude

>>520387389
age literally doesn't matter dude, just pursue ways to make good money. everything else can come after and you'll be glad you started sooner rather than waiting and second guessing yourself

>>520387388
I want to adopt your mindset, but the practical day to day shit I see makes it really hard to believe that. Not saying you're wrong, but maybe the trash are concentrated in certain places or regions. I can't explain it but the midwestern rust belt cities can be disappointingly brutal with the quality of people. I try and go easy on the younger kids these days, I'm not punching down after seeing what trash they got stuck being raised by.

>>520387057
Read what rooftop Korean >>520384828 has to say, because guy doesn’t miss.
Throughout history it’s always men the poet, the painter, the builder, the warrior, the sailors. Men do things because they know their achievements bring wealth, and wealth brings women. Money and women are really byproduct of you doing things.
Back in the days men and women must pair up for survival but our society atomized all of us to the point where we are capable of surviving by ourselves. It wrecks the relationship between the sexes because suddenly women find themselves married to the state and can have a rotation of high status and uncommitting men in their youth.
Just remember that you as a man now must guard your peace like how women in the past guard their virginity. You must learn that you are working hard to secure YOUR PEACE instead of a woman.
Many men decided to drop out and don’t bother at all. But I can tell you that having some money to spend and not feel like you have to limit your option when you sit down at a restaurant is peace. Being able to afford a small trip and go see the world is peace. Not having to worry about a roof above your head is peace. Peace is being able to see and appreciate what God has to offer you. You will need money for some of the worldly things but most importantly you will need time, time to yourself. Only when you are alone you will you be able to make the connection with God. In the presence of other men they will always coerce you to worship them either by force or by temptation.

>>520387450
>>520387539
Maybe that's true, I just need to embrace hitting walls and working my way around them. I'm not the OP but I appreciate the perspective. Bit sad I can do this on /pol/ but not real life, all the usual people I talk with are coping with their own horrific problems, so I should appreciate my situation somewhat. For what it's worth it can get hard as you get older. Your late 20's can be a time to change bad habits but watch out for your attitude and mental well being. Being surrounded by people who aren't exactly positive about the world is fun until it isn't.

>>520378814 (OP)
Figure it out yourself, dumbass.

>>520387388
You’re free to live however you want. No man has the world all figured out. But all I’m offering is what I have learned from experience and what other men have told me. You can call me whatever you want but it won’t change truth. Truth that so many men have come to understand as they age and learn their lessons on women and their nature.

>>520387753
NO, you tell him.

>>520378814 (OP)
>I make about $70k a year driving a trash truck
You are living the dream and I'm not even kidding.

>>520387699
Go join a running club or something and learn to play an instrument or speak another language. Professionally, consider your current skill set and how that can be honed to make more money and leverage a better position.
Just quit bitching on here that your life is over at 29, because it isn't but you'll wish it was when you hit 40 and haven't improved anything.

>>520378814 (OP)
Save 75% of every pay check. Don't stop saving. Use 25% to help your mom and dad and for fun.

You shouodnhave enough for a house down-payment in 2 years easily. Spend 5 years at home doing this and you'll be able to buy a house and a new car outright no loans.

>>520388069
>you'll wish it was when you hit 40 and haven't improved anything.
This. 29 is still youngish but you better lock into a job. Apparently learning to code didn't work out for me so now I'm ruined to working mcjobs for the next 20 years until I retire

>>520378814 (OP)
Strangely positive and forward-looking thread. Very cool.

>>520387185
Have experience? Thinking about Rust and Python. Anything to share when it comes to your niche, if applicable?

>>520387543
Anon, I wasn't trying to portray a good message. What I said is the truth. Women are dumber and different from us. They love more than we do, because they're dumb. I know you've seen women who chase shit headed men. It happens all the time. Some potentially decent female will follow some retard with zero money and nothing to offer, just because she "loves" him. He can get her pregnant, go to prison, and she will still bring the kids to see him.

Females love on a level we as men don't even understand. If some bitch left me with two kids and went to prison, I would never see her again. Not retarded females, they will gladly bring their kids to see their daddy in prison.

Also, most women will think about the guy who popped their cherry for their entire life. Even if it was rape.

Male and female definition of love is definitely different. The female version is fucking crazy and way beyond things like "reason" that our male brains understand. Female love is insane. If you ever had a female "love" you, you would understand.

>>520378814 (OP)
Keep doing trash truck, 70k is fine

>>520382553
Are you taking a dumb tiktok vid seriously?

>>520387938
I get the feeling you haven't spent enough time around women to understand them, but you pass advice as if you had. True, we only have our own experiences to draw from, but yours seem to be wrong in my experience. To be specific you are wrong in parroting the belief women can't love you. It's a kike thing to say.

>>520378814 (OP)
Bro being a garbage man is fine. You might consider moving to a smaller town and working for the same company. Make friends, go out to social gatherings, you'll meet someone worth dating. You're doing alright man. Just keep your life moving forward.

>>520378814 (OP)
nothing will change until young men collectively realize that it's the rest of society against us, and that we can't be trying to one-up eachother if we want life to get better for us. We need to be willing to engage in cartel behavior to take on the forces that try to put us to the yoke, but that's hard because it's coded into our DNA to want to compete with one-another for pretty much everything, and the Jews know this. I don't know how we change that, but I do know that it's the only way we'll ever have a shot at decent lives.

>>520387143
Why is it depressing when freedom is God’s greatest gift to a man?
So many things require you to examine under a different lens and you will realize it’s only depressing if you do not see their true value.
The real depressing thing is when I see men live in the delusion that they can win a woman’s unconditional love or they find ways to do mental gymnastics to avoid confronting the harsh reality of female nature.

>>520388423
> I get the feeling
That’s a you problem and I don’t say it in a condescending way seeing that you already reconciled with the fact that people come to different conclusions based on their life experiences. But the way you communicate your experience and your thought is not as effective as you think.

>>520388775
Well, you didn't call me wrong though. Women are actually capable of levels of love any sane man could never comprehend, and you're either a shill or a retard brainwashed by shills to believe they aren't.

>only a mother can love
You're a kike shill or a retard.

>>520378814 (OP)
>70k
Doin better than me

>>520389005
Only your mother can love you unconditionally was what I said. You are so caught up in seeking a W you reacted emotionally to what I wrote. This is why your communication methods are ineffective. I’m not here to debate anyone but to offer words of encouragement and wisdom as an older guy. My goal is not to score wins because I know I am already in a very good position in life. Other guys in this thread will just have to live theirs and think of what I wrote to confirm whether they believe it to be accurate or not, there is really no need to call each other names when we are among men.

>>520388439
>we can't be trying to one-up eachother if we want life to get better for us.
This is the truth. In-group preference will make or break us. Successful whites need to stop pulling up the ladder and punching down to feel smug.

>>520378814 (OP)
I am 25 and I am doing just fine, and I am not some kind of Chad or anything. It is really all on you, just learn more and do better. Unless you have cerebral palsy or some other debilitating disease there is not much you can't do.

Everything else is an excuse. The people around here love excuses, so you will get a lot

And save your money

>>520389287
>Only your mother can love you unconditionally was what I said.
Yes, that is what you said, and I said you are unbelievably retardedly wrong on all sorts of levels for saying it That is my point. Your incel "women can't love" theory is demonstrably wrong to anyone with eyes and a brain.

>I’m not here to debate anyone but to offer words of encouragement and wisdom as an older guy.
Well, you're failing fucking miserably, imo To say shit as retarded as "only a mother can love you" puts you in the idiot or demon category. I think you may be on the border between idiot and demon.

Your shit would be better on >>>/r9k/

>>520389777
If we’re at a bar together I’d love to buy you a beer. I wish you the best.

>>520389539
>Unless you have cerebral palsy or some other debilitating disease there is not much you can't do.
>Everything else is an excuse.
This nigger is going to make it.

>>520389908
I pretty sure we've talked before. You are trying to homestead, right?

>>520379182
Nay, you are top 20%er thanks to fucking a few. Chad is a 1%er and can fuck whenever he wants, girls are essentially on speed dial for Chad.

But yes, bottom 60% of men get absolutely NOTHING, and the bottom 80% are not in a good place with women currently. Being a crippled freak has nothing to do with it, it's social media brainrot that has turned women into Chad's whores.

>>520378814 (OP)
>Live with my mom still, can’t afford to move out and get my own place.
>Dating scene is a nightmare
The world is dystopia buddy, what exactly do you mean by "way forward"? You just said yourself, you can't move out or get a woman, so... just do the same thing you are doing now, what's wrong with that?
>to get ahead?
Not gonna happen. To get ahead how? So you can buy a home for $1 million and pay property tax the rest of your life?
Unironically it is (was?) trading crypto, I don't know if that's a thing anymore.

The thing you SHOULD be doing, is organizing to overthrow the government, build new political parties, etc. to try and improve living conditions, but that's impossible for you, because you have zero clue what's going on, and literally everything is coopted and gatekept.

>>520390002
I’m just a man who happened to work really hard in my 20s and 30s and enjoy a solid career, had my ups and down with wealth, women, family and now I look back at the heart break and the delusions my younger self had.
The spaces men can have with each other are already so far and few. I’d rather not bring negative energy or degrade each other simply because we have disagreements.

>>520380012
And even the boomers have had a fellow white boomer explain just how FUCKED shit is to them. He did a little TED talk and everything, then did a round on the MSM with the talking heads to repeat it for all the boomers who missed the original message. Any bootstrap boomers at this point are just evil little shits.

>>520390321
But, you are bringing very negative energy.
>only a mother can love you
That's some extremely negative shit. And, it's just not true.

>>520382553
Men just listened to women when they said they didn't want any more catcalls or approaches. So men complied. Now Chad doesn't need to approach - he has bitches on speed dial from Tinder. And these bitches get INSTANT simpage from e-dating, let's not mince facts here. Guaranteed the second they post on e-dating they are inundated with matches.

And that's before I get into the fact women don't actually go to bars. They go to CLUBS. Fundamentally different. Hell, I was in a bar for a work thing this week, and guess how many single ladies were there? IT WAS ZERO. Just a handful of parties at tables. Not a single free woman to talk to. The women like that in the tik tok are going to clubs and want simps there to pay for their shit, not bars. I have never in my lifetime, in the various bars/restaurants I have been to, seen a single woman looking for a man. It's always a dick fest, no matter what, no matter the State. Clubs are another story - they have women, but you have to bust through their male partners or gaggles to get one. And I hate clubs, just the most unfun places in existence.

>>520390495
To be upset is a choice. To each of his own. Cheers.

>>520381620
>retirement funds
You look at the world and seriously tell me you think there's still going to be a globo fiat economy in 40 years. Look at how fast everything is going downhill, how fast the monetary supply is bloating, how fast the deficit is growing and the national debt ballooning, how many more people are retiring and how there are fewer and fewer people paying into all that garbage. I'm in Germany so the taxman takes his cut before my wage even gets to me and pension tax 10% of my wage I know I'm never going to fucking see because even the ponzi scheme salesmen are ringing alarm bells about how it's running out of money already. Let alone how pointless it is to have that money in your late sixties.

If you want to retardproof your economics, invest in real estate (key word REAL), buy boomer rocks (regardless of place and time in history gold always had value and always will) and if you're risk averse buy boomer stocks of companies that will outlive the stars, like Cola and McDonny's. If you have 1k per month to play around with and won't care if it goes away, I'd put 700 into stocks, 150 into rocks and 150 into bitcoin because even if you believe it to be worthless ones and zeroes, those ones and zeroes are no less backed by thin air than the ones in your bank account and while shitcoins are volatile at least they occasionally go up while all fiat currency ever does is go down.

>>520388583
Because I know for a fact you're wrong and you also seem extremely bitter while trying to pretend you're happy

>>520389005
>Women are actually capable of levels of love any sane man could never comprehend
Yet it is never documented in media or story form, and is never shown in real life, meanwhile we have the opposite for showing how deranged women are: insane divorce stats, high abuse numbers from females, feminism, Woke Hollywood showing us nothing but male hate and disdain, videos of girlfriends beating their men. Where is this mythical love you speak of?

I mean if it is a real thing it should be documented right? Should be all over social media right? Some examples of this insane love capability should exist somewhere right? The only thing we get in media is wish fulfillment stuff from anime, and even that can be nasty (see yandere).

At 26 I bought a van for $8,000. Then I stopped renting. I'm 28.5 now and $20,000 total in on the van. But I've saved $30,000 by not renting. I make $50,000 a year. Tax steals 25%, so does cost of living. So by 30 I'll have over $100k in assets, and by 34 I'll have $200k. Assuming I do not meet a woman, I should be established enough to put a 50% down payment on a house solo.

>>520390495
You haven't exactly posted proof of any of your claims yet you know.

Tradcucks at least try to paint this fucking disaster of a society in a good light. They then get smacked in the face with reality and we laugh at them, but at least they post misinformation to TRY to get people to listen to them.

>>520378814 (OP)
I'm 27. I've never made more then $35k a year.

>>520378814 (OP)
PNW sounds comfy away from libshit hubs,maybe the SW WA area
If (you) don't want to get trapped in a mortgage just get land and a 5th wheeler or a singlewide,save a lot of money to blow on jetskis/quads

>>520378814 (OP)
>driving a trash truck
stopped reading

>>520391115
See >>520391010

>>520391292
>Yet it is never documented in media or story form
Open your eyes, you fucking retard. We have white women birthing niglets to niggers in prison. They will give birth to a child from a nigger who is in prison for life without parole, a man who can never help them at all financially, and still take the little niglets to see their forever incarcerated murderous nigger father. Don't tell me women aren't capable of unconditional love, it's what they do best.

That's actually the main problem with women, they're dumb and live too much. To say they are incapable of love just shows how much of a repulsive human you must be.

im 26 and i make $50k canuck bux
there is no hope for us. no one cares about us. no one wants to help us.

>>520391809
>there is no hope for us. no one cares about us. no one wants to help us.
Canadians literally sound like fucking babies. That's wild.

>>520391715
I'm not upset, I'm just saying you're depressing.

>>520391562
I was claiming you're wrong on your defeatist attitude. And, you haven't made a real rebuttal yet.

My first response to you said you were right on most things but you're a dumb nigger for saying the kike incel line that women can't love unconditionally.

It would probably be better if that were actually true. But, it's not, and you are parroting kike demoralization shills because they align with your limited experience.

>>520391870
>That's wild
Woah, that's like, totally wild bro.
Shut up retard

>>520391809
We can only help ourselves and each other. The initiative has to come from us.

>>520391720
>women gets pussy tingles and fucks Tyrone
>women gets pussy tingles and fucks a serial murder
Are you serious with this? You are equating lust with love man. At least I do get what you are after with pimps, but that is just women trading money for physical protection while they whore themselves out.

>>520392039
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
:(((((((((((((((
No one cares about us!

>>520391974
When the pussy tingles stop, they move on. That is not UNCONDITIONAL love. That is conditional love, and really it's lust, not love. It'd conditional lust. Heck, black women know this better than most.

>>520391974
>women are le noble damsels
>believing otherwise is a kike meme
No, you're just a naive idiot. There's a reason kikes sought to use women as weapons and that's because with rare exception they're corrupt to begin with.
Are there exceptions? Sure. Should an exception be the expectation for every young man out there? No. It's called an exception for a reason.

>>520379281
You’ve answered your own question. You said you’re not gonna move to South Dakota… fair enough, but there are places where a young person can get a decent job and afford to set up a household. The West coast ain’t it. Even if you get a high paying job, with homers priced at 700k, forget about it

>>520378814 (OP)
Pic related.

>>520392564
>man
There's no cock and balls there I assure (You)

>>520387388
Retard.

>>520391562
It's pic related.
Just say TAIL or GTFO.

>>520378814 (OP)
>I make about $70k a year driving a trash truck
What the fuck, that's what I make as a senior software engineer in Western Europe.... And then I get taxed 30% on that...

>>520386137
So I just started 9 months ago. Some of the guys who have worked 15+ yrs are definitely making over $100k.
>>520388047
I’m a good driver, it’s fun being outside all day. Get weekends and holidays off and the job keeps me in shape. I make $70k rn but by the time I’m 45 I’ll prob be making like $120k. There’s no salary cap, I get a raise every year plus COLA increases. No libtards or trannies, everyone I work with is based. Just see some disturbing shit sometimes but otherwise it’s cool.
>>520394988
My friend I only make $70k because I’m the lowest guy on the totem pole. The guys that have been there 10-15 yrs are making $120k. Possibly more with overtime & bonuses etc.

>>520395454
What do you Americans even do with all that money? Only brain surgeons or top lawyers make $120k here... I would be living like a literal king on that salary

>>520395556
2k per month on rent, 1k on car payments to have the latest drivemobile, 1k per month on medical debts from having had to pay 500k for visiting a doctor once, 3k per month on kindergarten for the wife's son, it adds up

Creative writing 101.
By 25 every real person, not a jew with AI like the OP, has had so many GF’s it’s hard to remember most of them.
Why they pump out these OP’s is their campaign of shite. Some turd gets paid for this probably.

>>520378814 (OP)
if you have good relations, protect your own. fuck harlots (but also fuck them, it's valuable experience). get that nose in some minge, smell the urine and fuzzy stuff on her clit. erika kirk is not the finalboss, you're own happiness is (within some tight coochieroon)

WAKE UP. The OP is not real.

>>520386935
Would the title for this occupation be Water Treatment Operator?

>>520378814 (OP)
>braindead whining that no one read
>HERE'S WHAT POP CULTURE CHARACTER I IDENTIFY AS
everyone who makes these threads should be burned to death along with their relatives
cleanse the genepool

>>520378814 (OP)
Save up enough money and cash out your bank account/ credit card and move to a country where your buying power is 100~45x . Live like a king and retire/invest

>>520378814 (OP)
Apparently wire fraud is just really fucking easy now and all the teens are doing it, that’s my backup plan if shit falls through

>>520379392
Survivorship bias type post

>>520378814 (OP)
>What is the way for young men to get ahead?

You're assuming the system is legitimate. Therefore some kind of legitimate action must work for one to "get ahead". Your assumption is wrong. The system is fraudulent. Therefore only fraudulent action can get you ahead. You could sell faulty, defective or dangerous products. (Drugs?) You could sell a service that you will never follow through with. (Insurance?) You could steal people's property by tricking them into contracts that are against their interests (leases?) You could steal identities and use the info to profit yourself (metadata?) You could gamble all of your stolen money and then you won't have to pay taxes because the money doesn't exist for some reason but it can be used as collateral on loans at which point it does exist (stock investing?)

I can't list every scheme and plot which is used against the workers. Pick one scheme and a group of people you're going to put on the streets with it and follow through. It's that easy. If your aim is money, you won’t get it by working hard and being honest.

>>520378814 (OP)
lol what?

I make way less than you and can easily afford to move out

>>520395454
Move to a state where there’s housing for only 700-800k if you’re so obsessed with buying a place.

You can rent for only 2.5k a month anywhere

>>520395556
Bro what? $120k is like upper middle class here. “Rich” is like $300k+. And depending on who you ask that’s not even rich. You could work full time at McDonald’s and make like $35k. But kraut anon is right >>520395639
I pay rent to help out the family, I’ve got car payments, insurance, food, phone bill, gas, gym, etc shit adds up.
>>520395834
>A 25 khv is so unfathomable it must be AI
Okay nigger

>>520396673
lol Wut?

I make about half of 120k and I’m extremely wealthy.

I would feel like shit if I earned 120k and didn’t donate like half of it

>>520396866
Are we talking $120k Canadian or US? I live in the PNW, cost of living is high here. If I lived in bumfuck Mississippi then yeah $120k would be living pretty good. Where I live it’s really not that much if you have a family. I mean the bottom minimum wage losers here make like $35-40k a year.

>>520397016
I make 65k Canadian in Toronto. I would have thought I was one of the richest people if I didn’t have the internet to show me richer people.

I can afford literally whatever I want on demand