Thread 520415101

This is tech that could become very big in the future

>>520415101 (OP)

there's literally no way for the west to compete with a nation that simply has workers show up and do work...

>>520415607
Unironically sometimes I wish I could move to China. Country that would appreciate my autism and how hard I work day to day

I don’t believe a single word out of Chinese academia let alone media

>>520415832
This.

I love the US, which is why it's so painful to watch the US get beat by China. Here we sit, abandoning science and technology to keep chasing that coal and oil high. They build factories of automation while we still rely on a group of second class citizens for hard labor. Time and time again we chose short term profits over long term strategy.

Shits depressing.

>using a thorium breeder to create uranium
So far it just consumed depleted uranium, very useful in turning nuclear waste into electricity.
But why would you produce uranium with it when you can just run the thorium hot into a steam turbine like with other reactors?

A picture of the reactor building. The reactor output is just 2 megawatts. A 100 megawatt reactor is planned to be built and put into operation by 2035.

>>520415101 (OP)
accelerators driven reactors are the future its the one tech that Europe still has a edge in. They can scale quite well and are ideal for transmutation of nuclear waste and you can use the particle beam for other industrial applications. Sadly no one funds them anymore.

>>520415101 (OP)
wake me up when then successfully convert radioactive waste into something useful

turning the planet radioactive doesn't seem like a good thing to do

>>520416566
I'm not sure what you're saying. This is my own understanding:

Thorium is not fissile and cannot directly be used as a nuclear fuel. However, thorium-232 can be transmuted into fissile uranium-233. This is what the Chinese TMSR reactor does.

Depleted uranium is uranium-238. It is not fissile, at least not sufficiently so to sustain a chain reaction in a practical manner. It can be transmuted into plutonium-239, and this is done in other types of breeder reactors, although not in the TMSR.

>>520415101 (OP)
I fell like I'm missing something how is this actually different from the MSR reactor that was using the thorium fuel cycle back in the 60s, other than being the first commercial reactor and not an experimental reactor?

>>520416566
Because thorium fuel doesn't work like that it is part of the fuel cycle and it turns into U233 to actually do the work.

>>520415101 (OP)
May I see it, memeflag?
No?
Thought so.

>>520417343
china say mao zedong can fly, china say xi xinping can stop a speeding train

>>520415101 (OP)
Wow. What an achievement. After stealing as much tech as they can, they are finally doing shit we did 75 years ago.

CHING CHONG! DING DONG!

>>520416957
Spent nuclear fuel can be recycled. Plutonium in nuclear waste can be used as nuclear fuel. Minor actinides, the most long-lived type of material in spent fuel, can be burned in a fast reactor. This is all happening inside the Russian BN-800 reactor right now.
https://www.rosatom.ru/en/press-centre/news/rosatom-starts-afterburning-of-minor-actinides-in-a-fast-reactor/

>>520415832
>>520415892
>I am a real woman and I don't believe anyone who says otherwise
Okay, I guess.

>>520415101 (OP)
Can we see it?
>chinks: no
/thread

>>520416622
Cool and check'd
Hope they manage to make the reactors smaller and way safer too. Every country should have nuclear energy if they want to compete in the future.

Funny how the zogdogs come with exactly the same script spam, yet claim others are shills

>>520417563
The American MSRE, which operated 1965-1969, was never loaded with thorium, and thorium-to-uranium conversion was never attempted with it. The Chinese are basically carrying on the tech from where the US dropped it in 1969.

>>520417563
Sadly, the LFTR technology was just given away to China by nigger Obama.

>>520417889
Bullshit. Kirk Sorensen had revitalized the LFTR technology decades ago. Nigger Obama gave US funded research to China so “we could all work on it together.” Or did you think selling out to the Chinese was something new for American politicians?

>>520417672
I found this Chinese-language article, which has some footage from the installation of the reactor
http://www.news.cn/20251101/9d89580a5524423c985c21e6bc6f0e9e/c.html

This press release has a picture from inside the reactor building
http://www.sinap.cas.cn/xwzx/kydt/202511/t20251102_8004865.html

>>520415101 (OP)
does it use thorium to heat salt to heat water to move a spinny thing to generate electricity? are we still just spinning a spinny thing?

>>520418350
It transmutes thorium-232 into uranium-233. The uranium-233 is what undergoes fission and is used to heat the coolant salt etc.

>>520418098
Revitalize in what sense? Where is the US successor to MSRE?

>>520416957
>literally knows nothing
>is afraid
lol i bet that happens a lot to you.
the way the spent fuel its cooled, stored, and then disposed of, is so insanely tightly regulated, youd be better off worrying about a radioactive meteorite falling on your head (and it STILL wouldnt be the radiation killing you). you unironically get a higher dose by being kinda near radio towers than you do being right next to the ICBM-proof coffins that the spent fuel ultimately gets stored in

the only place you have to maybe worry about turning radioactive is asia, and its because china is the land of half-assing literally fucking everything they do. and even THEY arent building fucking chernobyl reactors that can explode. that shit went the way of the dodo in the 80s.

also fun fact
>when then successfully convert radioactive waste into something useful
we have methods for recycling spent fuel multiple times, and have for many yrs. this thorium reactor design is yet another way to do exactly that

>>520417310
>I fell like I'm missing something how is this actually different from the MSR reactor that was using the thorium fuel cycle back in the 60s, other than being the first commercial reactor and not an experimental reactor?
it isnt. its exactly the MSR design from that one college experiment in the 60s. just scaled up obv. its neat to see it being used, finally. but the propaganda about it being 9000x as gooder-er as any other nuke plant is just that: propaganda. its just a different way to do fission.

the only real reason it wasnt pursued decades ago is because its useless for enriching into weapons. and sadly for thorium fans, i expect thats the same reason china will not rly bother with the tech beyond dumb PR shit like this.

>>520418620
>just scaled up obv
The ARE was designed for 2.5MW. The MSRE was designed for 15MW and operated at up to 7.4MW. This Chinese reactor is only 2MW. It is only intended for technology verification. The scaled up 100MW version won't begin operation until 2035.

>>520418493
LFTR liquid fluoride thorium reactor technology was revitalized by Kirk Sorensen (Currently of flibe energy tech) in 2006. He is the one who began research on MSR after it was scrappped for fast breeder reactors in the late 60’s, because Nixon had already dumped too much money into the (inferior) fast breeder reactor research. Too big to fail type of shit. As the LFTR became viable, instead of funding research, nigger Obama gave US research and opened patents to the fucking Chinese, so they could develop it along with the US. But obviously, they don’t share. They steal and then sell back your own tech. Fuck niggers and fuck chinks. And fuck memeflaggots.

>>520418620
Nuclear energy is chud-coded.

>>520417621
Fucking retard

>>520419017
yea this is still technically in the experimental stage (just a MUCH bigger experiment than the college one). it isnt a commercial reactor. and gud on them for actually being careful for fucking once.

>>520418620
Unlike the American research team and the American economy, China does actually need the electricity to keep pumping itself up.

>>520419270
bro what about our ai datacenters that we're making so everyone can be unemployed! now that's an economy!

>>520418620
>the propaganda about it being 9000x as gooder-er as any other nuke plant is just that: propaganda.
>china will not rly bother with the tech beyond dumb PR shit like this
There are many advantages to this TMSR tech. Thorium breeding is just one.

Another advantage is that it can operate at temperatures of around 650C. A normal PWR can only operate at up to about 320C. A hotter reactor enables industrial applications that require high temperatures to run certain chemical processes. The high coolant temperature also means that air cooling is easier, which makes it superior for dry locations.

A major advantage of a molten salt cooled reactor is that it can be run at close to atmospheric pressure, obviating the need for super-heavy forgings to withstand super-high overpressure.

>>520419216
What did Sorensen revitalize? What is the source for Obama giving XYZ to the Chinese and for there being a bargain which the Chinese did not honor?

>opened patents
How? A patent is already open, by definition. It's what the word "patent" means.

>>520415101 (OP)
Nice. I don't care who does it first, we need more thorium reactors. If China does it then the west has no choice but to copy them because the other option is falling behind

>>520415101 (OP)
>Converting thorium to uranium

Look, I've called out a lot of anti China bullshit because I can see it. I do not hate the Chinese and I will not.

But I'm also failing to see how it's physically possible to convert thorium to uranium, so I'm calling bullshit on this, too. The Chinese are just as capable of propaganda, after all

>>520419583

That is how the thorium fuel cycle works.

>>520415832
Imagine being so thoroughly brainwashed by glowniggers that you have internalised their sick mindset, and you are now convincing yourself that the only thing that matters is narrative control, and that material reality doesn't matter.

>>520417937
As opposed to what, letting your banks sit on the tech and ensure neither you nor anyone else on the planet benefits, just so that everyone keeps having to buy dollars to get oil?

Fuck you, that was the only based thing he did. Fuck banks.

>>520415101 (OP)
But can they burn 6 million Jews inside a few ovens over a few months? No, then they are still far behind Nazi Germany.

>>520419583
The fact that nuclear transmutation is possible is why nuclear reactors are possible

>>520415101 (OP)
Okay. Hit me up in 50 years when it's still not reality

>>520419633
>Keeping the cycle going.
Doubt. There is no such thing as limitless momentum, but I can easily see how it works now, so thanks.

It looks like an extremely efficient way of recycling the thorium through every diminishing returns that saves a tonne of money versus "dumping when done", that allows you to use only "maintenance" amounts of fuel to keep the cycle going.

Cool. Hope it works for them.

>>520419249
What do you mean by college experiment? The ARE and MSRE projects were run by Oak Ridge National Laboratory, which isn't a college.

>>520419270
and they could just as easily just make a regular nuke plant and do exactly that. and they are. theyve been spamming them out for yrs now. how do you think they got all those fucking nukes recently lol?

but a single 2MW experimental reactor isnt gonna move the needle. this is just 60s tech that got mothballed because the fuel cycle doesnt allow for enrichment up to weapons-grade, since its diff fuel (obv).
its cool to see it get developed, but the bottleneck has never been that theres not enough fuel to go around. theres plenty of fuel for traditional reactors, and theres even more for thorium (potentially. still gotta go get it). the bottleneck has always been that the 80s ushered in a multi-decade long era of histrionic retards who dont know how anything works hyperventilating over anything nuclear, and protesting reactors being built. so we have like half the reactors we should have had by now and have been playing retard games subsidizing dumbshit like solar panels in NYS or windmills in places that dont get much wind

tl;dr
more reactors = more (clean) energy = more gud
thorium or otherwise, doesnt matter.

>>520419633
if it was that simple everybody will be doing it

>>520415101 (OP)
Thorium being used to make nuclear fuel is not anything new. This is just another potential way to do it that may or may not be favorable, I'm a physicist but not that particular brand of physicist so I couldn't tell you the specifics.

This is not insignificant but there's nothing really political to say about it, it's more of a >>>/sci/ topic.

>>520415607
Maybe if we import more naggers, increase the tax to feed africans and pay repairment to jews then we will have a chance to compete.

>>520416825
>Sadly no one funds them anymore.
why ?

>>520416566
>>using a thorium breeder to create uranium
> So far it just consumed depleted uranium, very useful in turning nuclear waste into electricity.

You do not know how a thorium reactor works. You need to seed a thorium reactor with a small amount of u-235 or plutonium to start it. You can run thorium fuel in a regular reactor too if you design for it. And depleted uranium and nuclear waste has nothing to do with thorium reactors. I dont understand why total morons go on this board making total moron posts but then I checked your flag.

>>520418620
Iirc, the problem of this cycle is the reactor system itself prone to corrosion

Recycling the fuel is nice and all, but it's pointless if it requires constant manteinance of the structure, thus creating irradiated scrap anyway.

>>520419989
yea thats the one i was thinking of my bad
im mixing it up with the old crude af pile reactor they built in university of shitcagos squash court lol
that one WAS done at a college (just secretly cuz it was the manhattan project lol)

>>520415101 (OP)
>uranium
do bongs say urinium? i admit i haven't seen it yet.
>>520418350
how do you spell "uranium"?

>>520415101 (OP)
The big question: did any of this actually happen or is it more Asian science fraud?

>>520415607
I do, my work is still not happy

>>520420194
Before covid, everyone on /pol/ posted about MSTRs all the time and mentioned the burning of nuclear waste.
Even if it's technically just alchemising it into another radioactive material and heat, the outcome is empty waste barrels.

>>520420275
it's quite possible it happens because they don't care about the local population and the workers dying of radiation exposure and having a life expectancy of 40 years because of the chemicals used in the process and dumped in the local river or lake.

>>520415607
right, let's see those headlines where nobody wants to work and there just aren't enough workers and people aren't showing up for work

>>520420118
If China were to discover a giant oil reserve, it would not involve any new physics, but it would have major political implications. Imo, the potential long-term political implications of this project, and Chinese Gen IV reactor projects in general, are much more interesting than the science.

>>520415101 (OP)
>thorium
>could
Hi leddit user, now go back.

>>520419583
It's well established. The reactor is just kinda aggressive and hence unpopular. Look where they built it.
>>520416622
Better hope that shit doesn't pop, especially with a full scale reactor - that however isn't even planned yet. 100MW is very smol reactor.
Basically it's Chernobyl on steroids.

>>520420637
For example, one potential implication of high-temperature reactors is that, if well implemented, they might China's petrochemical industry and other industry a lot more competitive than anyone else's.

>>520420637
For example, one potential implication of high-temperature reactors is that, if well implemented, they might make China's petrochemical industry, and other industry that requires process heat, a lot more competitive than anyone else's.

>>520418350
Yes, it still spins the spinny thing, in principle at least.
That one's just a research reactor so it might do no spinning.
There's only so many ways you can convert heat to electrical power - right, let's not forget the spinny thing spins another thing that actually moves the electrons around.

>>520419550
This. Burgerfags are so into national chest pounding they'd rather we all stay in the stone age before some other country gets a technological headline.

>>520420118
>Thorium being used to make nuclear fuel is not anything new.

The point isn't that it's new, the point is they are actually doing it and proving that it is viable on a commercial scale. Like 90% of the hurdle in nuclear is having a proven working design so the regulator is willing to rubber stamp the 300x scaled up version.

>there's nothing really political to say about it

Are you retarded? They're getting past the red tape and advancing with reactor design while our governments and corporate grifters are still stuck at 1960's level technology because they're afraid to try anything new/ unwilling to spend the money on R&D. Right now they're building new boiling water reactors, underpowering them and calling them SMRs to try and sell the public on them even though they're like 95% identical to old school reactors in design and size.

>>520416566
Thorium reactors are small scale. Japan has installed some in remote northern villages to power the village. Thorium seeder reactors produce uranium for industrial scale nuclear power

>>520421122
It's just kinda hazardous - at least the old designs are - so it's not popular.
Breeder reactors on the whole aren't popular anymore, even though they produce more fuel than they consume.
For one it's more complicated than standard PWR reactors, is more radioactive, and creates a lot of dangerous nuclei.
>environment faggots hate it
Right, it also produces material for nuclear weapons, so anti- nuke faggots hate it too.

Another article with some pictures
https://politics.gmw.cn/2025-11/01/content_38384763.htm

>>520420358
>muh waste barrels
and its less waste per unit energy than literally fucking anything else. and its not even close.

theres no free lunch dude. you cant make energy from nothing. any process produces either waste, or pollution from the required materials needed to do it, or both. even solar has a far bigger footprint than traditional reactors, and thorium actually produces slightly less than that iirc (theres some additional chemical processes involved iirc. but again: not a feature unique to nuclear power).

look
i get it
i dont trust the fucking chinese communist party to actually do everything by-the-books. but it literally IS less polluting than almost everything else they do. and esp for power. they burn coal like its the late 19th century ffs.
at worst, youll probably hear some horror story of an entire town in some rural valley in chingchong province dying 50yrs from now after having drank water tainted with heavy metals. but they do that to their own ppl all the goddamn time, and no nuclear ANYTHING is even involved. thats just how china rolls with everything. fast and loose.

>>520421398
Depends on the kind of waste anyway.
The problem with real waste is that it's extremely difficult to refine; to extract specific components, and that process obviously also involves handling a lot of hyper-radioactive shit that makes uranium and plutonium look like a healthy supplement.

>>520420138
Because it's very hard to argue that you should use a particle accelerator to drive a nuclear reaction, when you can instead just add more nuclear fuel to make the reactor go critical by itself.

>>520421398
I didn't mention the energy loss on investment or the laws of thermodynamics.
Nor did I mention Chinese corruption.
I'm simply talking about the tech itself, nothing else.

>>520421301
I like the small ones.
If they're refined enough, we can put thorium reactors on trucks or in cars. That way we have mobile power stations that are automotive as well.
It's just an idealist fantasy, niggers will ruin it and kikes won't permit it.

>>520415101 (OP)
first bring the proofs, your xinese wunderwaffen bread for this week was also missing, chang. you guys are fuken slacking.

all kinds of bullshit claims from xina all the time and its always bullshit. this is getting tiresome. what can we do with you people at this point.

>>520420089
conceptually it is simpler, safer, and more efficient than water cooled solid fuel rod reactors, but we've always known there are pesky issues to resolve, such as:
>>520420232
Another problem was neutron embrittlement, for which they developed Hastalloy-N.
Basically, there is still a lot of development work to fund, but the regulatory environment in the West has been aligned against any sort of nuclear R&D.

ops real flag is hong kong and he gets payed 2 corn of rice for the next month until he jumps out of his ccp slavecamp window.
>XIIIiinnaaaaa numba wonn

>>520420138
It's very hard to argue that you should use a particle accelerator to generate neutrons, when alternatively if you just concentrate a bunch of nuclear fuel together to make it go critical and generate all the neutrons it needs by itself and potentially in excess.

>>520421958
It's no different from producing plutonium, faggot. They can do it since the 1950s.

>>520420118
>This is not insignificant but there's nothing really political to say about it, it's more of a /sci/ topic.
If this was on /sci/ it would just get 10 low-effort replies then slowly slide off the board.
Off-topic threads are always the best ones, a rare breath of fresh air compared to the usual subject retreads.

>>520415101 (OP)
Where are the "China has no R&D" posters? According to them yesterday China doesn't know how to make a 1950s car.

>>520422136
>generate neutrons
That's not even how it works. You can't just generate fucking neutrons. Instead it's converted from hydrogen or alpha particles (which incidentally also are hydrogen).

>>520415832
>I don’t believe a single word out of Chinese academia let alone media
Except when it comes to unemployment rate, housing prices, average incomes and CCTV numbers amiright?

>>520420138
It's very hard to argue that you should use a particle accelerator to generate neutrons, when alternatively if you just concentrate a bunch of nuclear fuel together you can make it go critical and generate by itself all the neutrons it needs and even in excess of what it needs.

>>520415101 (OP)
Chinese are doing things that shabbos goys cant even dream of accomplishing.
Forever kike worshippers

>>520415607
I tough that was only a problem in Brazil...
Fucking grim

>>520422334
Well, yes, maybe the more correct phrase would've been "generate neutron radiation".

>>520421687
spent fuel HAS uses already
mostly in weapons. but hey, at least its not goin in a landfill lol.
but depending on the reactors you got, you can chain fuel cycles together too. thorium reactors like this one just adds to that toolkit. hell, we already use thorium, not for power, but to breed uranium for our existing reactors.

imo, the biggest waste issue that could arise from most modern nuke plants isnt the spent fuel or anything radioactive. its more to do with the various chemicals you have to use to run the plant in the first place. thorium is not immune to that either tho, it has its own processes needed to do it right. almost nothing is immune to that.

>>520422497
It's not really radiation either. Neither alpha nor beta are. It's a subatomic particle, or beam thereof, and neutrons are the second most basic particle. Only proton beams are even worse/better, depending on your perspective. (aside from anti-particle beams maybe)
It requires nuclear processes in any case.
Now of course you can't exactly generate electrons either; electricity just pumps these around, creating electric potentials, although you can make electron particle beams too.
Better to stick with inertial confinement fusion or things like that.

>>520421343
That's the difference; china doesn't give a fuck about what is popular, they do what is necessary because they aren't ruled by women and simps. Our western governments are always chasing what is popular and end up never getting anything done because what is popular changes and every 4 years the parties change. And because of our gynocentric society everyone ends up doing what is in their best interest instead of doing what is best for the overall country because that is the only way to get women in a society where they are in control. China realized this and ended their divorce rape industry by changing the laws so that women get nothing in divorce. They might actually be the first society in history where their good times don't lead to weak men and women taking control.

It's over for us though, the collapse is unavoidable.

>>520422776
Yes, you are correct the chemicals used in reprocessing are a major factor, also why some waste components are considered unrecoverable in these processes.
>it's bound in very naughty molecules afterwards

>>520415101 (OP)
the chinese reveal a earth-shattering scientific discovery or a new "secret" weapon that's sure to annihilate the west at least twice per month. most of these stories will border on science fiction. who is constantly releasing these and hyping them on 4chan?

>>520415101 (OP)
So what? What does this achieve? There's plenty of uranium.

>>520423023
If what you're trying to say is that alpha, beta, neutron or any type of particle radiation is not "real" radiation, and only gamma or other type of electromagnetic radiation is "real" radiation, then I think you're using a very unconventional terminology

>>520415101 (OP)
we should import more indians to help us fall further behind faster. its been working great so far.

>>520423329
Cheap-to-extract uranium reserves might be exhausted in the not-too-distant future. China plans to build many hundreds of gigawatts of new nuclear reactors over the coming decades. China's state council is approving about 10-11 gigawatts of new reactors per year, and they're only getting started. There is also a resurgence of interest in nuclear reactors in many other countries.

>>520423329
>There's plenty of uranium
Basically thorium is magnitude safer than uranium.

>>520421934
its funny to me that you were the guy posting about possible waste issues in nuclear power and yet are saying shit like
>we can put thorium reactors on trucks or in cars.
>That way we have mobile power stations that are automotive as well
pls dont do this lol

no. we should keep doing nuclear more or less exactly how were doing it rn: with extreme care, and full retard lvls of security and regulations.
pls dont put them in cars lol. its already retarded enough everyones zipping around in chink EVs with bunk batteries that occasionally explode into hellfire. lets not make every major highway into a radiologically controlled area lmao

>>520423179
theres no free lunch tho. you just cant avoid it. even fusion, if we ever figure it out, is gonna put out an UNREAL amount of nasty ass radiation. and itll have its own chemical bullshittery, undoubtedly. theres always something

>>520423329
>potentially useful in extending the amount of times we can recycle fuel
>allows nuclear power for cunts not allowed nuclear weapons
among other things
still only 2MWs tho. this isnt commercial level reactor. its mostly PR, and interesting scientifically

>>520423672
>10-11 gigawatts
Correction: more like 13-14 gigawatts

>>520423768
Thorium is transmuted into uranium for it to be used as fuel

>>520415607
Hire us and train us

>>520423379
It's a matter of perspective of course. Do you think an iron atom flying around really fast is radiation? It's hardly different from alpha particles.
Guess you could pin it on mass, or whether it's an atomic particle. The only true radiation is made from photons (and maybe some other crap idk I can't be bothered to think about it too much).
Lone particles flying around isn't very common. Usually their range is short since there's too many atomicky things everywhere.
Guess you could also pin it on penetrative power or modes of interaction.
tl;dr radiation is more of a mode of operation and different fundamental types have literally nothing in common, so there's no point lumping them together.

>>520423768
its not rly
and youre still using uranium-233 for the actual fission in this reactor
thoriums just easier to dig up, and extremely plentiful. thats where the line about "cleaner energy" comes up. the reactors still just pump out steam, and spent fuel every time you have to refuel. its just diff spent fuel that cant be made into weapons

at any rate, anythings safe so long as you actually give a fuck and run the reactor right, design it properly, build the proper containment buildings, maintain it, etc
just dont be a soviet about it lol

>>520422344
I actually used to live in China. If you buy (actually lease from the government for 70 years) a studio apartment, in a nice part of the actual city, not some distant suburb, it will cost you $3,000,000. Yeah, pretty much everyone has a job, but an amazing monthly salary is $1,500. Most are lucky to make half that.

Best things: China is very safe because there are cameras everywhere and criminals are easily caught. I never once felt endangered when I was living there. They prefer scams to direct confrontation. Hospitals are chaotic, but getting all your tests done and treated costs about $30. Antibiotics and other non-fun drugs are easily available over the counter. Day to day life is easy because of WeChat. Nobody uses cash anymore. But, they can monitor every step you take.

I have lived all over the world and there is no better place than the USA. Tell me one country you think is better and I will easily explain why it is a shithole.

>>520424565
I must give you props for some of the numbers you mentioned they are on point.

>I have lived all over the world and there is no better place than the USA.
I'm happy for you but thats your opinion.

>>520424392
You're missing the part where uranium-233 isn't a naturally occuring isotope. It's not the same as natural uranium, so there also are differences in the isotopes produced by fission processes.

>>520425100
tell me a communist country that won't imprison or kill you for criticizing whatever dictator is currently in power.

>>520425317
>tell me a communist country that won't imprison or kill you for criticizing whatever dictator is currently in power.
Thats such a weird measurement of anything.
You are able to criticizing your leader because your country is ran by jews behind the curtain whom you cant name.
Your country also isnt becoming better just because you can criticize your leader.

Btw why would anyone want to criticize CCP in China? CCP is doing a great job. Your opinion of the CCP doesnt matter btw, vast majority of Chinese would agree with this.

>>520419546
You're just supposed to take his word for it and ignore that the US government, as a creator of money, could fund any research it wanted and bring it to fruition (so long as the real resources and technological competency is there).

They have to invent conspiracy theories to explain/obfuscate the obvious: if you rank high enough on the rentier pyramid, disruptive technologies are simply not allowed to progress enough to threaten your market. But this reveals that the private sector business interests control the US government, not the other way around, and that ruins the typical conservative narrative.

>>520423672
>>520423768
This sounds interesting but totally impactful

>>520425813
there is no freedom of speech or religion. you can't even criticize negative aspects of the culture. you can't talk about recent history. in china, a january 6th type incident would result in all participants being executed and then banned from history books and online discussion. it's happened before.

I know a guy that was imprisoned for saying "I hate China." I know a doctor that was imprisoned for telling me not to get the vaccine. You are touting communism on a public forum. Touting a unpopular ideology over there would get the police knocking on your door.

>>520426874
In America you get extradited to Florida and imprisoned for saying that shooting a sheriff in the head would solve a problem (specifically because the sheriff is a performative buttgoy)

The sovereign decides the exception. This is universally true across all nations and political systems. Read Schmitt -- learn something.

>>520415832
>I don’t believe a single word out of Chinese academia let alone media
This has been in the works for like 15 years.

>>520415733
Too bad about all the censorship and surveillance.
If you just wanna slave away to satisfy your 'tism, Japan and South Korea are options if you can learn the language.

>>520427152
that's one anecdotal example. what i'm talking about applies to the entire population from birth to death.

schmitt was pro-nazi. just in favor of a different kind of dictator. people hate our president, but he's gone in a few years. dictators are in for life. royalty, communism and fascism are irrelevant ideologies.

>>520415607
It's actually funny how Italy has public sector workers that are stereotyped as lazy fucks that don't actually do anything
Meanwhile communist China makes it work
Truth be told about Italian public workers is that some people just don't do anything while the rest actually try to do their own job and cover for everyone else

>>520427152
>In America this one thing happened once
and way wayyy more orwellian shit happens in china, all the damn time. its all pointless whataboutism. theyre both absolutely massive countries, and crazy shit happens in both every single day.

look, i actually hope they get their new reactor working. i hope they can scale it up even sooner. god fucking knows its better than having them burning fucking everything in sight for the next 40yrs to keep the lights on. but this idea that it, as a cunt, is "better" or "freer" in any aspect is fucking laughable.
if you think chinks have it better than here, then go.
they dont, so you wont.

turns out, its actually kind of a gutter-tier place to live if you dont have some sort of party connection. same as every commie shithole ever

>>520424565
>>520426874
>But, they can monitor every step you take.
My daily life in China would all involve things that aren't badthink in China and again, if I moved there to escape from my judeo capitalist collapsing corporate police state, why would I find myself criticizing negative aspects of their culture?

>>520428358
yea im sure a political dissident like yourself would absolutely thrive under authoritarian bugmanocracy. i cant see how that could ever go wrong.
what are you gay? or just retarded?

>>520416251
Not even. Your elites are obsessed with green tech.

>>520428358
There isn't a CCTV watching me when I go outside my innawoods house. There you are conditioned not to have badthink since early childhood. You know the consequences. You will never open your mouth or even think incorrectly because you are robot. At least I can question things here without being sent to an insane asylum.

>>520415101 (OP)
Just an FYI this is old US research from the 50's and 60's that was declassified

There isn't a CCTV watching me when I go outside my innawoods house. There you are conditioned not to have badthink since early childhood. You know the consequences. You will never open your mouth or even think incorrectly because you have become a robot. At least I can question things here without being sent to an insane asylum.

>>520426874
You speak of freedom as a beacon of goodness and supreme morality, yet, fail to see that the current US situation is led by your own freedom. You're free to use drugs, have gay sex, follow stupid shit like scientology, speak with minors about cutting your dick to become a hypersexualized female. Don't you see your own evil? Now, no human beign likes to be down forever, and China probably will pay this in the future (questionable, since Chinese history shows that the people are "docile" to the goverment). Anyway, China is the extreme opposite of the US and both are not good exemples of goverment.

>>520415101 (OP)
why is china wasting time on this when they have fusion powered defense lasers?

>>520429187
How's the weather in the favela today? Anyone murdered yet?

>>520416251
don't be fooled, china does a lot of science and lot of work but so does u.s.
u.s. just focuses more on fusion, as that will be a gamechanger

>>520415101 (OP)
>Chinks can't inov-ACK

>>520429735
>u.s. just focuses more on fusion, as that will be a gamechanger
and its also an extremely convenient way to basically circumvent all nuclear test ban treaties
but shhh dont tell anyone lol

>>520415607
Nothing can possibly get done without spending 10 hours perfecting your power point slides. All those years you spent in school learning how to write coherent sentences and complex paragraphs were clearly a waste of time next to the efficiency of PowerPoint bullet sentence fragments and visual design skills

>>520429735
>2MW

>>520415832
Why? What’s so hard to believe about the idea that a high iq large population country that doesn’t spend all their money on niggers, Jew wars, and single moms is advancing?

>>520416251
China runs on coal mein nigga. Their state rail company transports it at below market rates from mines in the north to the industrial urban south

>>520429602
Monkeys gonna monkey, simple as

>>520429602
I don't live in a Favela. How your drag queen story time going? I also heard Philadelphia is having tough times with some junkies, you might want to check their freedom, anon.

>>520426874
China has far more freedom than America. In any case you’re a retarded faggot if you still think infinite free speech and infinite freedom of religion are good. People will really sit here and complain about niggers and trannies advocating communism or Jews subverting Christianity, then criticize some other country that’s not undergoing total collapse for not being “free” enough (whatever that even means at this point). Classical liberals somehow don’t think they are part of the problem. Americanism is a disease

>>520415733
Moving to China is always going to kind of suck
>no friends
>no family
>unfamiliar surroundings
>will never be a native speaker of the language

Just because you admire certain aspects of a country doesn’t mean you want to leave your friends, family and heritage behind to be an immigrant for the rest of your life.
It would be better if we just stopped fucking around and started getting real shit done

>>520415832
this lol they lie all the time about everything they make and threads like this are part of their quest to exert influence on the world

>>520415101 (OP)
It can only become big in China because no other countries can build nuclear power plants.

>>520419216
>nigger Obama gave US research and opened patents to the fucking Chinese, so they could develop it along with the US. But obviously, they don’t share. They steal and then sell back your own tech.
what goes around comes around, you did the same to us

>>520432227
When?

>>520422377
The argument is one of safety to appease the masses, you can stop the reaction just by turning off the neutron beam. Sure you could make it self-sustaining but then the government would cave in to a bunch of shrieking placard waving retards who are terrified of anything nuclear, instead of putting them in camps like the boat anchors on human progress that they are.

>>520432671
Manhattan project, supersonic flight, and the spinning jenny (which was outright stolen IP) for starters.

>>520427915
>Too bad about all the censorship and surveillance.
Are you retarded? Compared to who? Look at the fucking lies and manipulation of Western media over the decades. They work hand in hand with the government to suppress the truth.

>>520432995
>like the boat anchors on human progress that they are.
Kek, I'm stealing that.

>>520416251
this is what generations of usury-based fiat economies will do
that old Russian adage rings true
>so long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work.

May I see it?
>No

>>520433395
ah yes, the British Manhattan Project. we should have let Hitler fucking have your asses. everyone would have been way better off.

>>520436809
I found this 10 minutes long clip from Chinese news. It's full of footage from inside and outside the plant
https://m.weibo.cn/status/5228617854359572

>>520437958
Another link
https://tv.cctv.com/2025/11/01/VIDEavvEb4C2smmM4NzROWOm251101.shtml

>>520437958
If you prefer youtube, then here is a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rEfQ73AXio

why is it only men that know china is on the rise? seems like all women don't give a shit