Thread 520438423

average gamer media literacy be like

>>520438423 (OP)
Reminds me of Steve Cutts

I always go House.

>>520438423 (OP)
>average gamer media literacy be like
Yes.

>>520438425
>"I have no interest in abusing others"
>clogs the streets with rolling deathbot police 24/7 if he wins

>>520438427
>ICE TO SEE YOU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xY1UjIRYsw

6:14

>>520438423 (OP)
>single anonymous poster
>"average gamer"
redditors can't imagine someone having their own thoughts/opinions and always have to outsource it to some kind of groupthink so the idea of this guy coming to this conclusion is totally foreign to him

>>520438423 (OP)
Charisma is the best stat irl UNLESS you are able to leverage your INT/WIS into boosting your CHA (in which case you get the benefits of multiple stats)
this has always been well known

>>520438423 (OP)
Media literacy is understanding that Caesar is the good guy. How obvious do the authors need to make the game's central message: TECHNOLOGY BAD?

>>520438425
>dude I'm actually super nice trust me bro :^)

>>520438427
>speak with convection when cook with conviction enters the room

>>520438423 (OP)
>find one person I don't like
>this is the average because I say so
this leftist person isn't very knowledgeable of statistics

>>520438433
>TECHNOLOGY BAD?
that's not Fallout's central message. The central message of Fallout is that humans are violent monkeys that impulsively kill one another, and things like ideology and religion are just LARPs designed to make us not feel like violent monkeys.
Caesar, instead of LARPing as something other than a violent chimp like NCR and House, just gives in and consciously retvrns to monke. He's not the good guy. He's just unpretentious and blunt about who and what he is.

>>520438423 (OP)
>media literacy
people still use this retarded phrase?

>>520438423 (OP)
True
Legioncucks are basically lolcows

>>520438438
Yeah but the last thing you want violent chimps to have is wmds.

>>520438425
>I have no interest in abusing others
>Okay, so you guys will be given a brothel-casino and you'll get your whores addicted to like 50 drugs at a time and prevent them from leaving and turn them into perpetual indentured slaves an-

"be like" isn't even English, Mr "literacy".
Owned em.

>>520438423 (OP)
>media literacy
I still never understood what this faggot phrase means.

>>520438423 (OP)
You should worry more about tech literacy than your inconsequential video game trivia.

>>520438444
You'd think it means reading books, but apparently it means watching Youtubers

>>520438444
Objectively: Being able to understand subtext/metaphors/allegories etc
Binary brain rot version: you have to agree with the obvious and ham-fisted (political) "message" the thing is preaching at you

>>520438428
IIRC the robots are not oppressive in the ending slide if your courier was a good person that influence House in a positive way

maybe I'm a schizophrenic and I'm remembering it wrong though? Housefags back me up

>>520438444
Media literacy just means how much you agree with the author

>>520438444
Basically every story is propaganda and if you don't agree with a work's message it means that you actually don't like the work and should be excommunicated from its community

It really is funny how liberals just fundamentally don't understand anything about the people they disagree with. They think every idea a right winger has is just "grr I'm evil and I want everything to be destroyed" while having 0 understanding about the nuance or reason behind the held opinion. They try so hard to make characters le evil right wing then lose their shit when they're laughed at or when they see right-wingers embrace it

>>520438448
Just fire back with the author is dead this is my interpretation

>>520438444
It's supposed to mean what reading comprehension does but not limited to just text.
But for people with severe brainrot it means
>every single work of art ever created is about endorsing my retarded political views with 0 nuance or room for different interpretations and if you disagree you are stupid nazi chud
>>520438442
>you'll get your whores addicted to like 50 drugs at a time and prevent them from leaving and turn them into perpetual indentured slaves an-
Volenti non fit iniuria :)
Plus, non-omertas aren't even human.

>>520438428
He owns Vegas. He can run it how he pleases. What people do in private doesn't matter to him so long as it doesn't disrupt the goings on in Vegas. All House does is keeps the place sterile and clean instead of addicts, drunks and gangs running about.

>>520438453
DoAA is typically what binary brain rot people use to defend their retarded cases, so no.

>>520438444
if you disagree with the author then you are objectively wrong, unless the author is objectively wrong in which case he should be killed

>>520438451
Exemplaris excomvnicationis?

>>520438439
lil zoomies still think it makes them sound intelligent since their idea of a smart person is formed from emotionally manipulative youtube videos.

>>520438452
They think people legitimately don't get what say the film version of Starship Troopers was "supposed to be saying", when actually they do get it, they just find it dumb and enjoy pissing people off by enjoying the movie "the wrong way".

>>520438444
take the psuedo-science of freudian psych, and then apply it to entertainment.
magically, you murder the meaning of the piece (by making it all about your own interpretation) in the attempt at preserving it.

a good lesson on this: see image

>>520438423 (OP)
Obama and senator Armstrong were like that, too.

>>520438452
No duh, they say two wrongs don't make a right, and that we must kill all Nazis.

>>520438423 (OP)
"media literacy" is just a synonym for brain washing. it's literally saying, "you're not thinking the way the rest of us have been programmed to think"

>>520438458
>raping a smol furry in the middle of the park at night
I'm surprised this situation isn't WAY more common in modern porn

>>520438448
You have to be able to identify the message though. That's media literacy.

>>520438464
Yeah this. I choose to believe 2+2 = 5 because it's my gut feeling.

>>520438464
Literally the opposite. It's critical thinking. Something most gamers severely lack.

>>520438465
>this cartoon made to sell toys is actually a deep political message...!

>>520438425
You know House is a liar right?
>I don't legislate others
>But I will outright genocide people if I don't like them
>Also we'll be in Mars by 2020

>>520438444
it means my interpretation of media is 100% correct and it is always pro-leftist

>>520438469
Wow a franchise about war that shows people dying in war is bad truly a masterpiece that only the top critical thinkers can truly understand

>>520438449
There are roaming rapist cannibal gangs hopped up on supermeth camped right outside of their walls made of garbage.
The militarized police force is like the last thing you could complain about here.

>>520438452
Being right wing = being a stupid asshole and the dumber and more vile you are the more right wing you are. Yes when asked rightoids will blurt out copes but the above is the Ockham's razor explanation. It is the simplest way to explain why they're rabid zionists and why they defend Epstein.

it is funny how all of the media literacy trannies through a fit when avellone and cain came out and said that fallout isn't anti-capitalist

>>520438472
It's deliciously ironic that everyone who gets bum blasted over the concept of media literacy misinterprets it in the exact same way. Way to show us that you're totally capable of critical interpretation and your opinions aren't hand-me-downs from 4chan and twitter.

>>520438464
It’s about looking at movies, games, and shows with critical thinking and objective analysis

>>520438467
sometimes the author doesn't even know, which is the issue

>>520438475
So true sister I base every single one of my political ideas on what causes the maximum amount of pain and suffering

>>520438423 (OP)
>media literacy

>>520438477
Okay, well the media literate reading of Lord of the Rings is it's inherently Christian, and a bit racist. It's certainly exclusionary toward anyone who isn't British, because it was explicitly written about Britain and it's people.

>>520438444
>media literacy
https://www.snhu.edu/about-us/newsroom/liberal-arts/what-is-media-literacy

ignore these asses
>>520438446
>>520438448
>>520438450
>>520438457
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>>520438484
you are a retard

>>520438484
nah how bout you kill yourself instead, pseud.

>>520438480
Rightoids unironically do. You can observe them right now celebrating people going hungry due to not having food stamps and crying how poor people shouldn't be able to buy branded mustard. Calvinism really destroyed the Angloid brain.

>>520438444
it means "actually understanding what a story is ABOUT" like meaning you can understand subtext. Essentially some guy has to look into the camera and say out loud "this is the point of the story" for them to understand it.

It's kind of like "functional illiteracy" where people can technically read and write, but give them any text beyond a certain length and they just give up, they can no longer mentally parse or understand anything, at which point they may as well be illiterate because they will never engage with written works. IIRC between a quarter to up to a third of society is functionally illiterate.

>>520438484
>Media literacy is the practice of taking in media messages and understanding their influence on your thoughts, feelings and behaviors.
Wow so it's just knowing how much of a naive retard you are and how much influence some retard who made a show who doesn't even know you has on you. Truly everyone should base their life choices on Star Trek and Fallout

>>520438484
>liberal-arts
"no"

>>520438483
Kind of a sad attempt. I don't think you'll find any explicitly Christian themes there except maybe in the appendices. Where's your textual evidence?

>>520438488
Yes, but you can still disagree with the author, when part of their message is clearly retarded.
>hurr hurr you didn't get it!
No, I got it. I stepped over it.
I decided to extract what I found valuable from this material.

>>520438470
It can be both
>>520438444
It is understanding the media (video games, movies, books) literally (story events, character motivations, etc.) and figuratively (metaphors, symbolism, etc.). An example of bad media literacy would be when that one youtuber who said 'the town made him stupid' in reference to James in Silent Hill 2.

>>520438425
>I have no interest in abusing others
>demands Vault 21 so he can fill it with concrete and kick out 90% of the residents
>only ones that stay are those who make it into a hotel to pay tribute as vassals
>wipes out the Kings out of spite if they sought peace in Freeside
>similar spite leads him to extort Primm if the NCR was taxed to protect the town
He's a dick

>>520438489
It's a good thing you're immune to propaganda on account of being too smart

>>520438423 (OP)
Modern FNV discourse has been a disaster for /v/

>>520438491
The whole thing is about overcoming the temptation to sin?

>>520438423 (OP)
>Convection
These people preach to you about media literacy. How about basic literacy?

>>520438492
You can disagree with a work but if your disagreement is rooted in a poor understanding then it's not really valid

>>520438455
He doesn't just do it to Vegas. He takes over all of Nevada and becomes an autocrat. If you have anything House wants, or if you somehow tie into his "legend," he'll send his deathbots down to politely ask for everything you have and instill them as a permanent patrol.

>>520438499
See, this is the part where we go round in circles of you proclaiming I "don't get it", while I tell you I get it, and I think it's stupid.

>>520438491
The entire thing is framed in Tolkien's Catholic beliefs and morality.

>>520438423 (OP)
>Fascism is bad
>Why?
>Because democracy is good
>Why?
>Because it is

>>520438482
>author goes into detail about how the curtains are always closed, blocking light, obscuring the outside world, etc.
>durrr the curtains are just blue

>>520438423 (OP)
>if you don't agree with the mandated narrative, you "didn't get it"
is there a greater sign of the midwit than "media literacy"?

>muh media literacy
name 1(one) mainstream vidya created past 2010 that has an actual, thought provoking message

>>520438497
Nta but that's a valid read.

>>520438497
That's way too broadly stated and completely ignores the influence of pagan Germanic sources on Tolkien's writing. LotR is not overtly Christian because Tolkien didn't like telling people what to think.

Radical centrist here. I just killed everyone as I want ME to be the boss of everything and in charge of everyone. So I killed all the factions. I'm the fucking boss. Fuck everyone else.

>>520438503
it's bad because it needs an enemy to justify its own existence and will therefore inevitably end up consuming itself

>>520438502
Tolkien is interesting because he really doesn't strike me as temperamentally Catholic but someone who remains loyal to it due to sentimental reasons. Iirc he was orphaned and then raised by a priest.

>>520438510
Christo fascist communism is coming and there's literally nothing you can do about it except cope seethe and dilate

>>520438502
You're just repeating your point without backing it up. Of course writers will be influenced by their worldview but what, in the text, is Christian?

>>520438510
>needs an enemy to justify its own existence
it doesn't though, atleast not an external one.

>>520438427
>This is strange!
>It ain't home on the range

>>520438512
>the world is ending and there's nothing you can do except cope and seethe
i agree but instead of doing that i'm gonna go play vidya instead. see ya

>>520438510
that's all politics, dude.

>>520438508
I didn't say it was only Christian. To be specific it was more an excersize in taking all of this pre-Christian mythological stuff that Tolkien liked, and trying to square it with his existing Christian faith.
Read the opening chapters of the Silmarillion, if you don't believe me. He's just flat out talking about God and the Devil and Angels, and trying to grapple with why evil exists in a perfect creation.

>>520438505
Yes, complaining about "media literacy"

>>520438513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien%27s_moral_dilemma

>>520438428
>But if we monitor you 24/7 the Mojave will be safer!

>>520438516
Based

I think the difference is just how bitter and petty leftoids are compared to the right.
If a left winger learns that the creator of a certain piece of media holds an idea that's even slightly right, they'll no longer be able to enjoy it and will hate anything associated with it, even if that idea isn't even in the media. You've seen this with fnaf, Harry Potter, certain bands like Pantera
Right wingers are capable of enjoying media regardless of how much they disagree with it or its author. No shit Caesar is supposed to be bad, but it's fiction and the legion looks cool. Same with stuff like wolfenstein or 40k. You can disagree with something's central message but still enjoy it as a whole
Leftists think you can only like something if you align yourself completely to it, which is why they're so obsessed with the idea of a fictional character agreeing or disagreeing with them.
It's no wonder leftists are so mentally ill, I can't imagine living such a bitter and hateful life as the average leftist

>>520438518
>Read the opening chapters of the Silmarillion
So not The Lord if the Rings?

>>520438514
what exactly did you think i meant by consuming itself? cannibalism? ok now im really out

>>520438506
spec ops the line

>>520438455
>All House does is keeps the place sterile and clean instead of addicts, drunks and gangs running about.
He literally has his casinos run by cannibals and mobsters

>>520438520
That's not in the book

>>520438525
>what exactly did you think i meant by consuming itself?
You're assuming an outcome to fit your narrative.

>>520438504
Everyone knows what Blue psychology is, you don't have to write a blog about it.

>>520438518
Isn't Tolkien's cosmology really Zoroastrian if you think about it?

>>520438526
War am...bad??? :0

>>520438524
>he doesn't know how important the Silmarillion was to Tolkien's whole extended canon of Lord of the Rings
That was the book he started writing first, and the one he wanted to write. Lord of the Rings was a concession, if anything. Because he actually had to write something that could reasonably be published and sell.

>>520438495
You're legitimately retarded if you get your political and lifestyle beliefs from fiction

>>520438532
that's not it, try harder. i believe in you.

>>520438530
>write about the choices the author made and the language they used
>noooooooooooo not like that

>>520438523
>I think the difference is just how bitter and petty leftoids are compared to the right
Have you ever been in 4chan?
>You've seen this with fnaf, Harry Potter, certain bands like Pantera
Boycotts are about denying people your money, not about the works themselves. You fundamentally misunderstood the motivation here.
>Right wingers are capable of enjoying media regardless of how much they disagree with it or its author.
Again, have you ever been to 4chan at all?
>Leftists think you can only like something if you align yourself completely to it, which is why they're so obsessed with the idea of a fictional character agreeing or disagreeing with them.
Like, have you spent even five minutes on this board before?

>>520438425
House is fun because your character can work for him as low int and buy his bullshit or high int and recognize hes the one most likely to pay you well.

>>520438523
Caesar is good, actually.

>>520438537
>an unironic one ITT

>>520438458
Not the weirdest ship I've seen

>>520438537
>Boycotts are about denying people your money, not about the works themselves.
They boycott because they take objection to the works, which is the point.

>>520438536
I don't have a problem with it, I'm just pointing out it's inconsequential.

>>520438533
Okay but we're talking about LotR as a work, though.
If we're going to refer to things outside the books then I refer you to Tolkien's stated distaste for allegory and its "purposed domination of the author"

>>520438537
Die, profligate

>>520438537
That's a lot of words to say nothing. It's beyond boycotts btw, leftists won't stop at not buying, they will harass people who enjoy the media and act like anyone who is a fan is Satan incarnate. They genuinely do not understand the concept of liking something but disagreeing with the creator

>>520438487
Or maybe some people can actually think a step ahead of "what feels good" and notice that, for example, letting millions of third worlders into a country and incentivising them with free gibs ends up quickly fucking that country and its cohesion up, making everyones lives worse in the long run. We've basically done nothing but expand your leftoid programs for over half a century and everything just keeps getting worse.

>>520438423 (OP)
This is why Trvmp won

>>520438534
Everyone does, and thinking you're better just means you're unaware of it. The stories we tell reflect the values we hold. It's not as overt as "omg I wanna be like Batman" but rather "criminals are a separate class of people from innocents who are determined to do evil and we have to keep them in check by force". For example.

>>520438423 (OP)
My media literacy degree taught me that my calling is jerking off bulls

>>520438534
everything is fiction because we all agree on a made-up framework

>>520438537
Nonono, you don't understand, it's different. I'm fine with leftoids creating stuff, but its once they cram their politics down my throat is when it gets annoying. Like women being in a position of powerful or a black person existing.

>>520438549
>You don't know the sky is blue because you look outside, you know because it was in superman!
Amazing insight anon

>>520438552
you sure you don't want to attach this epic post to your bluesky and get good boy upvotes?

>>520438542
But they don't.
>>520438546
You literally don't understand the concept of liking something but not wanting to give money to bad causes. As for the rest that "says nothing": the obvious implication is that you're being disingenuous because everything you attribute to leftists is prominently displayed by /v/ every hour if every day. But maybe you don't have the posting literacy to pick up on that implication.

>>520438547
The rightwingers imported the millions of spics and shipped the factories overseas because it was capitalism as well. Theyre the same groups of people

>>520438555
>You can't enjoy something without throwing money at it
I assume you're a gacha fan?

>>520438544
Yeah, because he didn't like the idea that the book was simply an allegory for WW1 or something.
There's still a lot of him in there. His Christianity, his love of history and myth, his experiences in the war, his disdain toward industrialisation, and a kind of Britain centric view of the world are clearly informing everything. There's no getting away from it.
You can pretend it's all about being gay and smoking weed if you want (and people do), but it isn't, because that's not what he was about as a person.

>>520438534
see, that's the thing about propaganda: it affects you no matter what, even if you seem to be disagreeing with what it's trying to get you to think

>>520438550
Always nice to see that I'm not that weird for reading /hmofa/ smut

>>520438423 (OP)

isnts nt mty fuautl i cnat rearff welrl

>>520438557
I'm telling you precisely this, that the decision not to spend money on something has no bearing at all on my enjoyment of it. Those things are unrelated in my eyes. And you are therefore wrong.

>>520438425
>Smart enough to build a MacGuffin memory expansion, defend Vegas single handedly, AND everything else he claims
>Too dumb to upgrade anything post-war without it.
House could've easily improvised with scavenged tech and slowly expanded instead of pissing away all that capital just LOOKING for the fucking chip he still fucked up the delivery on.

This is all so he can upgrade security and fully control the strip, and meanwhile everyone just has to sit and wait for him to actually follow through on his promises... How many people has he actually gone out of his way to help in the last 200+ years? He sure views/treats the PC like shit and your interests are at least partially aligned. (Though it's been a long fucking time since I played)

>>520438537
Trannies are funny. Half the board is creaming their pants over Dispatch, a game that's almost certainly made by leftists, because they threw out some heterosexual scraps and have some waifu wars going on. You're an unironic tourist showing up to fight le chuds who doesn't fucking know what you're talking about.

>>520438444
It essentially means that you must process media through the lenses of critical thinking BUT it's retarded whenever people use it for anything fiction related and it's pretty much not a valid literary theory, instead many are thinking of intentionalism but still call it "media literacy"

In literature intentionalism argues that the media you are consuming must be understood through the author's intent and experiences. In this case if Obsidian writers made the Legion to be bad then that's their intent and you must treat it as such. But that's just a simple literary theory and it's up to you.
The opposite is "death of the author" theory which essentially says that the authors intent is completely irrelevant and that the piece of media must stand on it's own.

Essentially whenever someone uses "muh media literacy" for fiction they're completely retarded.

>>520438460
It's just that ver Hoeven is a retarded asshole and doesn't realize that people don't care that they're being lied to by powerful people so long as the powerful people aren't a bunch of insufferable faggots. People want Space Fascism because it's cool. They don't want liberal democracy when it's being gay, which is what it's currently become.
It's almost like people respect strength and liberal democrats only project weakness and faggotry which turns people off.

>>520438564
Literally every videogame is "almost certainly made by leftists".

>>520438546
Rightists do this now too if you haven’t been living under a rock

>>520438567
you'll never know who isn't a leftoid because they don't feel the need to spoon their politics in everything with cringe """"satire"""".

>>520438564
>Half the board is creaming their pants over Dispatch
This is the first time I have been made aware of its existance.

>>520438566
I mean, the Federation doesn't even lie to anyone.
And this is the part where people will argue back and forth about the war being based on false pretenses, and the Federation trying to push impressionable kids into signing up to get themselves killed for no good reason, which they aren't really.
And if you want to bring the book into it, it's stressed that basically they make training hard as fuck to try to filter out the recruits who shouldn't be there.

>>520438564
I've been here since 2006 and you're cherrypicking a couple of people following their dicks to pretend everyone here wasn't performatively declaring their boycott of Ghost of Yotei over one tweet despite sucking the furst game's dick. Tell me more about how you're all not bitter, how you can separate art from the artist, and how you'll happily enjoy games you disagree with politically. Fuck's sake, it even mentioned Wolfenstein, as if we didn't have the whole public tantrum about punching nazis. Every day on this board is people talking about all the games they're deliberately not enjoying because a black person appears in it ir a dev tweeted that Trump sucks.

>>520438449
IIRC the Courier's karma level affects his view of you but not his policies. A good karma Courier has the slide say that House finds pride in having him under his employ.

>>520438567
I had no idea they knew how to code.

>>520438527
Yeah but that's how it goes.

There will always be criminals in the world. It's just your options are either organized, “polite” crime like the mafia who keep the killing and the violence within their own private shadow war, or you have shitskin streetgangs who stab grandmas to death for $20.

Which would you prefer?

>>520438569
Doesn't matter, you'll enjoy it regardless because you're not bitter and petty, right? You're not like those leftists who can't enjoy a game if they disagree with the author.

>>520438571
The lies were based upon some things about the bugs, but in the end it doesn't truly matter as the bugs needed to die so humanity can thrive. It's an acceptable lie. The opposite is the type of lies that liberal democrats get into where they lie about the creatures they bring into your society which are incompatible with it and thus will destroy your environment and you with it.

>>520438573
I just checked. Good karma Courier ensures House's rule is "fair".

>>520438574
You told them to learn.

>>520438428
Vegas is his private property he can do what he wants with it

>>520438576
sure, i liked gears, even if its cringe attempt at lampooning real world stuff was embarrassing

>>520438563
House is a genius CEO. He has foresight and management skills.
He can't just make a new platinum chip because he wants to

>>520438577
where do they lie about the bugs though? The bugs are an expansionist empire, and humanity is an expansionist empire, and one side is going to have to win the war because neither side is going to stop. Certainly not the bugs who kill peaceful settlers on sight.

>>520438566
Paul Verhoeven was the only german director allowed to make movies for a long time. The only way to put his culture to the screen was slap a clown nose on it but still play it straight faced. Real media literacy is understanding whats really going on behind the world and that rarely if ever aligns with what is public-ally stated in the post WW2 society we live in.

Paul Verhoeven actually did read the book and understood very well it was just a young adult adventure novel aimed at teenagers. He made the movie in the same vein while cowtowing to you know who so he doesn't get blackballed out of hollywood for being german and making movies with nazi inspired imagery.

>>520438583
Exactly. That's the lie. Treating the eradication of the bugs as a righteous venture against an evil foe when reality it's just survival of the fittest. People are fine with that lie.

>>520438584
Yeah, and now he's on social media crying like a shitlib because the kids are quoting the hecking fascists and liking them.

>>520438547
Here comes the cope. The fact is that you have done nothing to reduce immigration. In fact, it's looking like Trump will achieve record high immigration. Furthermore you've done nothing that would improve employment allowing people to stop being dependent on welfare. The fact is your policies are motivated by pure cruelty with any rationalization being post hoc attempts at denying your true nature.

>>520438584
Verhoeven did not finish reading Starship Troopers; he stopped after the first two chapters, finding it boring. He relied on screenwriter Edward Neumeier to inform him about the rest of the story.

>>520438584
>Paul Verhoeven was the only german director allowed to make movies for a long time.
That's bullshit for various reasons, not least of which that Verhoeven isn't German

>>520438587
can you stop obsessing about orange man for one attosecond?
Hitler is getting a little jealous.

>>520438587
Oh look. Redditor lying.

>>520438537
>hello person on 4chan have you been on 4chan? my brief impression of some people is my argument, even when that doesn't work for 2 out of 3 of my points
>no you are wrong when you said leftwing boycots are about punishing the slightly different beliefs of a creator like Rowling, it's about denying her money and not the work itself, which means i didn't read your post correctly
Have you like ever thought about this for even 5 minutes thought? Like really thought about it? Like at least reading the post you're responding to correctly?

>>520438579
They're done learning silly, they got a degree!

>>520438585
is there really a difference?
They *are* pretty evil as well. I mean, as evil as an animal can be. They kill non-aggressive people on sight.

>>520438594
It's the idea that the humans weren't bad, as well. That's the lie I'm talking about. That's the lie people are fine with. You've seen the image.
>our glorious crusaders vs their barbarous hordes

>>520438425
>i dont have any interest in abusing others!
>i will however enable other people to abuse others :^)

>>520438584
>The only way to put his culture
Oh my God BUTCHER wehraboo mutts

>>520438452
They're equally as morally and ideologically inflexible as the religious fundamentalist on the right, but they cloak it in self-aggrandizement and self-righteousness, which is only slightly more annoying than the murderous zealots they decry.

>>520438598
Yeah but sadly when it comes to your le both sidesism, you just end up listening to both side's propaganda of the other rather than using actual objective observation of their behavior.

>>520438595
The humans are fighting to preserve humanity, which is better than stinky bugs, if only for the reason that humanity are capable of kindness and charity.

>>520438572
Why are leftists always seething about idpol shit

>>520438594
>is there really a difference?
humans propagandizing the bugs image to sell a false-situation, in order to rally people.
Whether the bugs are a threat or not, it's disgusting commie tricks.

>>520438574
Do you not know what the silicon valley is? Do you think the bay area is secretly chud enclave or something?

>>520438599
And? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can separate propaganda from reality.

>>520438586
You should know as well I do by now less than half of those people believe what is posted on their third party managed social media accounts.
>>520438588
The only director that's ever had the slightest shred of honestly about the creative process was John Carpenter. What Verhoeven says about Starship Troopers does not at all align with everything that came before and his ruthless perfectionism. Its completely out of character for him to not have read the book, he just didn't want to risk getting blasted for engaging with a book more and more popularly thought of as crypto-fascist propaganda in academia.
>>520438589
What do you think dutch is you fucking retard.

>>520438423 (OP)
He is kinda right though!

I've found that the validity of a particular view and how caustically it offends the normalfag is directly correlated.

While being offensive is not a guarantee that some philosophical idea or view will be correct, if such a view offends the lemmings and unpaid defenders of the status quo— especially during times of great strife or corruption— that view is much more likely to be correct than other, more commonly-accepted or recited views that do not offend anybody.

>>520438592
>brief impression
My close to two decades here
>it's about denying her money and not the work itself, which means i didn't read your post correctly
Seems you didn't read it correctly.

Have you thought about anything at all for even five minutes in your life? Like at least not being a blatant hypocrite? Of course you haven't; you're on the right, after all.

>>520438602
Where's the lie? They literally are mindless killers, with no capacity for remorse.
>oh, but the brain bug
So one guy thinks for all of them, and this guy never attempted to establish communication? He just sucked a guy's brain out instead.

Yeah, nah. This species is so disgusting it literally would be righteous to wipe them out.

>>520438603
Yeah, most of them are right leaning

1. The left pretty consistently engages in bad faith with extreme far-right strawmen
2. The right pretty consistently engages in bad faith with extreme far-left strawmen

>>520438611
>The left pretty consistently engages in bad faith with extreme far-right strawmen
yes
>The right pretty consistently engages in bad faith with extreme far-left strawmen
They're not strawmen they're accurate

>>520438610
As someone who lives here and has a job as a software engineer, I promise you, this just isn't true.

>>520438601
YOU'RE always seething about idpol shit, that's my whole point. Not a days goes by this board's not triggered by some character being the wrong race, gender, or sexuality and lamenting they can't play modern games because of it.

>>520438612
yeah this is correct

>>520438433
If technology bad then how are you posting here? You're not a bad person that needs to be crucified, are you?

people are retarded

>>520438609
The point is honestly selling it to the people, which is the distinction.
The entire campaign was faulty which is why they needed the propaganda, which is the core issue.
(Note: The bugs probably needed eradicated, but, with an honest assessment and not at the expense of needless human loss)

>>520438614
>no u
Why didn't you just answer the question, woke anon?

>>520438618
what would acceptable human loss look like?

>>520438617
>t.

>>520438605
I am Dutch you achterlijke randdebiel

>>520438503
>criticises the execution of an idea in a piece of art
>>520438510
>talks about the idea itself
>everyone starts talking about the idea instead
Good luck not seeing this everywhere
My insane schizo theory is people are being radicalized by complete accident because no one's capable of articulating that art just used to handle ideas better

>>520438483
Lord of the Rings is actually about multiculturalism beating nationalism

>>520438620
Ideally none at all, send robots or drones in, or at most, long-range artillery.
(But that would be a completely different movie)

>>520438423 (OP)
yeah man that's been /pol/'s strategy for more than a decade at this point.

>>520438611
I'm on the left and I can admit this is true because I am capable of good faith, myself

>>520438619
Same reason you haven't stopped sucking your uncle's cock

>>520438483
Tolkien outright said it's a Christian work. Not sure why leftists seethe about this

>>520438449
I think you're right. He sent securitrons to Goodsprings as a thanks in my playthrough. That could just be his way of introducing surveillance into a remote town though, idk. He raped the Kings though.

>>520438628
Why do leftists always say shit like this when they lose arguments? Are they all just weird faggots at this point

>>520438423 (OP)
Be like what? I nigger who can't write in English?
Saying this as an esl btw.

>>520438491
The easiest would be rewriting orcs to be corrupted elves simply because having a race that's inherently evil doesn't align with Christian views.

>>520438629
I don't mind, honestly; Tolkien was a far better and truer Christian than any of you. Tell me, which Christian themes did you like best? The triumph of humility over force? The gentle and meek disposition of even the most masculine characters? The rejection of power and the evil of wanting to dominate others?

The problem is not that LotR is a Christian work. It's that so-called christians claim it only out of malice and a desire to corrupt, in direct defiance of its meaning.

>>520438631
Idk bro. I don't engage in internet arguments in general. I just tell anons to kill themselves. Worst case scenario: they don't do it. Best case scenario: I stumble across their obituary one day.

>>520438500
An autocrat that's as benevolent as you can get and wants to improve humanity with technology
>>520438527
He didn't have much choice at the time and they were the most "civilized" of the tribes in the area. He had a weak hand at the time and has been slowly building up a stronger hand with your character being the ace he needed if you work for him. It's why he set you up and if you play a good character help keep him being too mechanical in his thinking.

>>520438423 (OP)
Now an even more horrifying realization is that most of the people who vote, are even less intelligent than the gamer

>>520438423 (OP)
SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORDS
thougheverbeit, sincerely

>>520438631
You see it's a facetious way of confronting you with the same fallacy you just committed yourself, which is intended to make you see that what you said eas just as retarded. Unfortunately, that would require a modicum of self-awareness on your part.

you people are fucking retarded, you are siding with slave owners just to own the libs.

>>520438639
So because people smarter than you beat you in arguments you have to be a seething faggot?

>>520438639
>you see... my xbox live retort is actually high IQ

>>520438607
yes that's called contrarianism

>>520438483
Tolkien's world is explicitly created as a national myth for the English who had none comparable to those of other countries, inspired by indigenous pre-Christian Celtic-British and Northern European mythologies. He outright says this although he does kind of change his mind on the philosophy of it later.
What's more, I know Tolkien himself is a Christian, but it is hard to call the story a Christian parable unless you're trying super hard to see it that way. It is an entirely pagan and folkish setting about the old age of magic giving way to the current age of man. The development of the Middle-Earth religion and culture is thousands of years early for its axial age.

>>520438641
You don't have to, no, which means that was your choice.

>>520438444
it means CRITICAL THINKING i.e. the ability to parse and examine elements of literature (and now other forms of media that use the written word) such as symbolism, similes, metaphors, etc.

there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who don't have the ability to digest a message and will instead straight up create their own interpretation based on nothing a.k.a. dark souls lorefags. speaking of dark souls, please note that media literacy IS NOT a person's theory about the intentions or framework of a piece of media, such as
>dark souls is a cautionary tale on the ill effects of late stage capitalism!
the theory is built upon the ability to think critically and support said theory with evidence from the media in question.

>>520438634
It sounds like you're seething about Lord of the Rings being a Christian work desu

>>520438644
>indigenous pre-Christian Celtic-British
Anglo-Saxon ackchually thoughbeit

>>520438645
That doesn't make sense, seething faggot

>>520438647
I quite like your Lord of the Rings. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Lord of the Rings.

>>520438646
>please note that media literacy IS NOT a person's theory about the intentions or framework of a piece of media, such as
>>dark souls is a cautionary tale on the ill effects of late stage capitalism!
If they can coherently and objectively provide a connection in-media with their head-canon, that is certainly a TYPE OF media literacy.
But I agree, people love conflating their head-canon interpretations as canon.

>>520438649
So much for media literacy lol
Seethe and dilate

>>520438587
When even the most faggot normies on front page subs on reddit are starting to notice there are infinity browns when they go outside to the betterment of no one and the detriment of everyone, you know there is an actual issue. In the span of 5 years Indians have become probably the most hated race of people on the planet by basically everyone and that didn't just happen suddenly for no reason.

>>520438653
You're right, it was forced

>>520438444
Have you tried googling reddit?

>>520438423 (OP)
>a child who can't think beyond "Le Good guys vs Le Bad guys" claims that other people are retarded

>>520438587
did you forget that anti-globalist sentiment and anti-immigration policy have been rapidly on the rise to the extent that first world countries like france, italy, sweden, japan, netherlands, etc have all elected leaders that have based their campaigns
this is a sweeping global trend, average people are sick of brownoids

>>520438651
personally I just hate it when people run with an idea because it sounds good or they just want it to be the case, and they have no real evidence for it in game, so they do all sorts of mental gymnastics to pull a theory out of their ass that is ultimately based on flimsy evidence at best. yeah it's fun to imagine I guess, but lorefags have moved from being "archaeologists" to straight up fanfiction.

>>520438657
Yeah not manufactured at all lol
You can have all the "sentiment" in the world but it still won't make you correct

>>520438646
There is an element of genre savvy in which you need to understand the cultural context of works. There's no such thing as media literacy in itself because you can't jump into a new medium genre with the knowledge to evaluate it or even appreciate it compared to other works.
It doesn't mean you can't enjoy something or share your thoughts or even have interesting thoughts, but it does mean you probably shouldn't be telling others what to think and your interpretation is not better than longtime fans (lol)
As an example, I got into metal music in middle school, my favorite band then was As I Lay Dying because someone gave me the Shadows are Security CD and that was what I had to listen to. Even with being fake and gay in so many ways, the meeting bare conventions of the genre worked well enough to fascinate me. My enjoyment was genuine and valid but I was not in a position to tell anyone what the best metal bands were at a time when I'd never heard of either Judas Priest or Burzum.

>>520438491
brother there have literally been thousands of interviews with his son on top of his letters and a million discussions about exactly this topic, pick another hill to die on

why do we pretend like life has value and these "evil" choices are so so terrible

>>520438658
And that would be media ILliteracy

>>520438660
>There's no such thing as media literacy in itself because you can't jump into a new medium genre with the knowledge to evaluate it or even appreciate it compared to other works.
There are things more fundamental than genre, you know
We can even compare genres

>>520438512
>implying
majority of christcucks are brown and the only thing browns are good at is building mudhuts and stealing from each other

>>520438659
>literally every single place on earth that is flooded by browns is worse off for having done so via either repressed wages, increased cost of living, reduction of safety/increase in crime, there are published peer reviewed articles about how somalians are a net loss to every country they go to and make areas they are in more dangerous
yeah but im sure big brother would have you believe that all of a sudden and for no reason at all the policies that resulted in all this happening are now being walked back for a different reason

>>520438661
Oh, I'm well aware of Tolkien's Christianity and how it influenced his work. I'm still going to ask you to refer to the work itself, instead of relying on authority to tell you it's Christian.

>>520438662
because life does have value, and our frameworks drive us to uphold it, and revolt against the framework's opposition (evil).
If you're nihilistic and still alive, your value is currently finding the value, whether you currently agree with that sentiment or not

>>520438664
ok, in order to be a truly great critic you need to be wiser than God. I'm just establishing a baseline here. There is a reason the most intelligent discussion you'll find around gaming is actually in forums for specific games if not specific genres.

>>520438667
there are people in this very thread that have already explicitly mentioned blatant comparisons to the themes of christianity in his work, of which you have asked for a source to confirm it isnt just something imagined by the reader
which is it

>>520438667
Tolkien wasn't exactly subtle.
>frodo fighting the ring (evil temptation) <> jesus in the desert
>gandalf THE WHITE <> blatant christian angel symbolism

>>520438666
>repressed wages, increased cost of living, reduction of safety/increase in crime
You mean capitalists hiring people who will work for less, capitalists hoarding houses, capitalists reducing funding for all public programmes, in short, capitalists doing everything to attract foreign workers and then shoving off the associated problems on the common folk, and then telling you the problem is the people they're exploiting.

These are not forces of nature, these are choices made by the people in power.

>>520438423 (OP)
Anyone who uses the term "media literacy" is automatically a fucking faggot. This is someone possessed of such overflowing arrogance that they have determined that their viewpoint of media is the "correct" one and that every single person in existence must view that media through the predetermined correct political lens.

It's fucking madness.

>>520438669
Yes, the reason is most gamers are retarded

>>520438672
So why aren't leftists against open borders?

>>520438662
It's true enough that "evil" and "bad" are different ideas but you can see throughout history that evil tends to be bad in the long run. e.g. almost every country coming together to fight Axis powers in WWII because they were so evil they could not be trusted as neighbors let alone rulers. Even if they weren't actively genociding you people, they treated anyone else with disdain and dealing with them was like with Darth Vader (I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further).
Happens countless times going back to the ancient Assyrians who conquered the biggest empire in Mesopotamia but all of their subjected peoples constantly rebelled. They were so hated that the other peoples burned their cities to nothing and left not one brick on top of another, and hundreds of years later the people living on their land had no idea they ever existed - the victors' tried decided to erase Assyria from history.
In South America, the large-scale human sacrifices of the priest class caused the natives to rebel against the evil priests and side with the Spanish - although you hear about the cartoonish evil of the Spaniards at this time, a few hundred of them allied with the natives conquered South America's tribes very quickly. If the natives had better rulers, they probably would have driven out the Spanish and continued to exist as civilizations although dying of horrible animal-based European diseases anyway.

>>520438671
>>520438670
He's going to keep gaslighting because he has no argument, he's been seething since an anon told him Tolkien was a Christian

>>520438428
>literal fucking post apocalyptic setting where murder is a regular thing and required for surviving another day
>trannies still complain about muh fascist or something like its modern day first world country
desperate times call for desperate measures. I doubt he will keep using them once society becomes more civilized but for now theyre absolutely needed

>>520438671
I doubt Tolkien would support your reading, actually. Pretending any form of temptation at all is a Christian allegory seems a stretch, and Tolkien did not write allegory.
But at least you made an effort to cite the actual work, which other people seem to have trouble with.

>>520438467
Wrong. Post modern authors have no sutblety. The intended message is always glaringly obvious and only midwit pseuds think they have some secret knowledge for being able to see it.
When they cry "muh media literacy!" it just means you're supposed to agree with the intended message instead of pointing what actually happens.
The Starship Troopers movie is the quintessential example. Paul Verhoeven didn't read or understand the books. He just tried to make it look superficially fascist, which in his mind apparently means clean streets, patriotism and cool fashion, and left it at that. Then leftoid retards just kept regurgitating that intention without paying any attention to the actual movie, which made Earth look like a borderline utopia.

>>520438679
anon... temptation is one of Christianity's favorite topics. You're just trolling now.

>>520438677
You don't even have the media literacy to interpret 4chan posts lol

>>520438459
Even more hilarious than that, it's:
>someone has extensive knowledge of sci-fi/fantasy property
>"LOL FUCKIN NERD!"
>normie has extensive knowledge of celebs/TV series
>"Umm, wow you didn't know that Blair fucked Stephan? OMG get some media literacy."
Nothing but weasel words for midwits with unwarranted senses of self-importance.

>>520438682
That doesn't mean they have a monopoly on it. You furthermore said it's a direct allegory to Jesus in the desert. Literally what textual evidence do you have for this?

>>520438650
Take my upvote.

>>520438682
No, he's right. Tolkien was very vocal about his dislike of allegory and his preference for applicability.
Just because you find that the themes of his work are applicable to something else does not mean he intended it as a direct allegory.

>>520438675
They want to destroy the western civilization and culture and whites far more than they want to help poor people. Leftisim is based on nihilism, envy, and resentment, not charity.
I have spoken to several leftists on this topic. Most of them do not see the contradiction wanting high wages and worker power, but putting all this economic pressure to lower wages from women and immigrants in the workforce. I've only heard one semi-intelligent answer to this question which is that we need to go to a totalitarian command economy so wages are not related to market demand.
Even that answer shows the leftist tendency to believe that reality can just be legislated. The progress of the previous centuries makes them drunk to believe they can do anything and that progress will just automatically happen with time. There is no recognition that mismanagement and tyranny will ruin everything. We will make a high minimum wage and then everyone will have a high wage, etc. That's actually the plan.
There are two types of leftists: those who are genuinely well-meaning but manipulated into voting against their interests (the same which they say about rightists), and those who want to destroy their countries. And they will tell you so, bragging that feminist policies lower birth rates, bragging that European countries will be majority nonwhite in one generation, etc. If you say the exact same things as a criticism you're a monster who deserves to be kidnapped and re-educated.

>>520438684
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>520438423 (OP)
>"This is an issue with society, I want to fix it"
>I agree, that's one way to tackle a real world issue.
NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT LIKE THE VILLAIN! you have to have MEDIA LITERACY!

>>520438675
Because the working class is exploited the world over and we should have solidarity and focus our ire in the ones responsible, those who steal our surplus value and don't pay us our due.

>>520438654
>Immediately deflects to irony shitposting when confronted
You know this just makes right wingers look better to the average lurker right?

>>520438681
Also let's not pretend that people weren't indoctrinated to be activists. They will slander something if they feel it doesn't align with their political views even if they don't actually understand it. They merely attempt to imitate objectivity and intellectualism by claiming that there's some sort of standard for "media literacy."

>>520438687
>Tolkien was very vocal about his dislike of allegory and his preference for applicability.
This just seems like cope because he wanted his work to stand on its own and not be in the shadow of Christianity. (Which is a bit ironic).
The ring, temptation, and succumbing to evil is a mighty big coincidence.

>>520438563
>How many people has he actually gone out of his way to help in the last 200+ years?
I gotta lore dump on you because House has not been active for 200 years
Because he didn't have the correct CPU when the bombs dropped, his systems crashed immediately. He's spent almost the entire postwar period in a digital coma, willing himself back to consciousness, writing patches for his own life support systems on the fly.

He "awoke" seven years before the game started and his first goal was to get the Three Families to begin their LARP, which he just barely managed to pull off in time for the NCR to arrive at what they were led to believe was a long "thriving" city

>>520438691
>working class is exploited all over the world
>we should invite more of the working class into our country to be exploited so our working class should never get ahead

I found a giant fucking hole in your ideology.

>>520438692
I'm not being ironic. That's the actual reason. You don't have the awareness to realise when you're being manipulated.

>>520438423 (OP)
Not sure what the problem is. That anon is right.
Caesar is a brain dead (lol) moron with no real solutions.

He wants to prevent the same problems that plagued the old world by.... poorly emulating a state that ultimately failed in the old world.
Dude is a thug with an army. Nothing more.

>>520438571
>And this is the part where people will argue back and forth about the war being based on false pretenses,
Even Verhoeven has outright said the "le meteor was a falseflag" is fanfic that wasn't the intended reading. So ironically, people still regurgitating that have poor "media literacy" by their own definition.

Verhoeven isn't even a heckin nazi either so they can't just dismiss his opinions as an unperson out of hand.

It was always a retarded "theory" anyway. "Erm the bugs in the movie don't have that technological capability" is about on par with pointing out that all the tech in TOS Star Trek looks like it came from the 1950s.

>>520438697
Uh huh.

Anything but jerking off in your underwear for 16 hours a day is a heckin psyop. We know /pol/.

>>520438694
Yeah man literally no one wrote about temptation or evil before Christianity, and everything a Christian does is explicitly Christian

>>520438494
The Vault 21 story was oddly enough his kindest act
He wanted it gone. It's tunnels run too close to his hardware, it was a knife pointed at his throat.
He succeeded to demolish and backfill most of it, then stopped at the very end when Sarah Weintraub refused to leave, because she's mentally unable to leave and she literally would have chosen to be embedded in the concrete rather than walk out the door.

He pitied her. I think her agoraphobia reminded him of himself.

>>520438696
There is no "our" working class, just "the" working class.

Shouldn't media literacy contemplate design, mechanics and the whole layer of interactivity too?
Failing to consider the effect gameplay has on the experience creates the biggest disconnect in "media literacy" discussions when it comes to gaming. Particularly evident whenever part of the message is "this thing you're doing because playing games is fun is bad in real life, actually."

>>520438701
No way a devout Christian would accidentally subconsciously write a retelling of his beliefs.
The issue is, strong religious beliefs permeate in everything you do, So even if Tolkien wasn't actively trying to, he still wrote the story in a very Christian manner.

>>520438703
>just import the 70 iq niggers they are the same as you

Found another giant hole in your ideology

>>520438425
He is actually the least likely to stab you in the back.

>>520438423 (OP)
I feel like people who see those posts are not realizing they don't really mean it. I think Darth Vader is cool doesn't mean I want to genocide the entire galaxy.

>>520438425
Our house in the middle of the street

>>520438681
>The intended message is always glaringly obvious
which is why people who fail to even identify the intended message are called media illiterate retards.

>>520438444
It means understanding what's being shown to you.

>>520438672
hating brown people invading my country and ruining everything around them through virtue of existing simply as they do and hating the suits responsible for putting them there arent mutually exclusive ideologies. in fact it actually removes accountability from these people being utter degenerate wastes of flesh and places it all on the systemic issue of unrestrained capitalism
lets not forget how it is a documented FACT that the police in the uk cover up for pakistani rape gangs because they dont want to incite racial tensions. oh sorry ma'am it's not abdul's fault he was jacking off while looking at you through your kitchen window! it's actually *insert random corporate suit*'s fault! fuck off

>>520438705
He avoided making it explicitly Christian. That's the thing. A work can have Christian themes without being overtly Christian.

>>520438492
>but you can still disagree with the author, when part of their message is clearly retarded
yes but there's a big difference between acknowledging and disagreeing with / rebutting an author's message vs going "nuh uh" and denying any such message even exists in the first place
lots of people online are in group B due to tiktok brainrot

>>520438530
>Everyone knows what Blue psychology is
Clearly not.

>>520438706
You certainly have a lot in common with them

>>520438713
>A work can have Christian themes without being overtly Christian.
Which is the point, and why i initially said he merely lacked subtlety. You're agreeing with me in the most roundabout way.

>>520438475
>Being right wing = being a stupid asshole and the dumber and more vile you are the more right wing you are
unironically trvke.

>>520438716
>You certainly have a lot in common with them
omg an edgy leftist?! he's just like us guys!! whoa!!!!

>>520438710
>>520438711

And both of you are humongous faggots for assuming that you understand what is being shown to you. If you truly understood what you were being shown you would be a boss level Chud that would be raging against and satirizing all of the propaganda and social engineering you were being exposed to.

Instead you're just a midwit pseud that pats himself on the back for understanding starship troopers was goofy. You fail your own test.

>>520438717
No, lacking subtlety would be the opposite, and I actually deny that Tolkien made his work Christian in exactly the way you claim it is.

>>520438720
to be a chud is to fail to understand the world. simple as.

>>520438673
>they have determined that their viewpoint of media is the "correct" one and that every single person in existence must view that media through the predetermined correct political lens.
I don't know why you faggots keep saying this. on the contrary, people who spout "media literacy" are more often of the mind to support "death of the author" which is to say that they'd consider every interpretation to be valid. however, just like everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it is also true that some opinions hold more weight because they come from a person with more insight and/or authority. so you can have your interpretation, just like you can have your opinion, but if you say retarded shit, I reserve the right to disregard whatever retarded shit spouts from your mouth.

example:
>person A
>caesar's legion are an example of right wing extremism, because their brutal survival-of-the-fittest philosophy, imperialistic enslavement of those who they deem lesser, and the unhinged nature of their cult-of-personality leader are untenable qualities that ultimately produce an unstable societal groundwork, and btw here's a bunch of real world historical examples of how such extremism proved disastrous
>person B
>uhhhh ackshually caesar's legion are BASED because I like they way they dress and they hate niggers and doesn't afraid of anything and if I was a legionaire irl I'd kill all the brownoids fuck niggers desu
they're both valid interpretations but one is completely retarded.

>>520438720
All i did was answer your question, why are you sperging out like this?

>>520438720
>If you truly understood what you were being shown you would be a boss level Chud that would be raging against and satirizing all of the propaganda and social engineering you were being exposed to.
That's what people do, in fact, and then you call them pretentious woketards

>>520438716
Wanna know how I know you're jewish?

>>520438662
because if you make the evil choices god will punish you. and even though killing people isn't inherently bad because no morality inherently exists except "whatever God says goes", you are committing self harm by dooming yourself to hell

>>520438634
I say it because it pisses people off. Not that I even particularly identify as a Christian.
You want to play the media literacy game, let's play it.

>>520438723
Your writing style is horrendous. It's just one big run-on sentence. If you're going to be that lazy about communicating I'm going to be equally lazy and not read it.

>>520438725
You don't understand what "woke" means. You're being mocked for thinking you understand things when you don't.

>>520438726
You don't, but of course that doesn't prevent you from thinking you do. That's precisely the problem with your kind. It really is the culmination of the right-wing propensity for inventing scapegoats because they have no real solutions.

Death to Israel btw, it is an illegitimate fascist state

>>520438729
>it's just one big run-on sentence.
no it's not. there is punctuation in there. I see commas and periods. I think you're just an intellectually lazy faggot who is looking for any excuse to disregard substantive points. that's fine.

>>520438728
>I say it because it pisses people off. Not that I even particularly identify as a Christian
Well, precisely my point, I believe.

>>520438730
Ironic, coming from the anti-media literacy crowd.
Doubly ironic, coming from the people who turned "woke" into a meaningless buzzword.

>>520438732
No I don't have to dig through shitty stream of consciousness slop. And your assumption that I do is rude.

>>520438735
>shitty stream of consciousness slop
>this faggot writes multiple drafts of his shitposts

>>520438734
Even now you display that you're worthy of mockery by combating a straw man.

>>520438736
downgrading your effort-post to a shitpost proves his point

All "media literacy" means is you actually take time to fucking think about what you're reading/playing/watching and not stare slackjawed at the TV. Most people finish a movie with not even a surface level understanding of the story, let alone any of the themes. It's why there's so many goddamn -ending explained nonsense out there now.
Teachers for that matter also don't care if you think the curtains are blue so long as you can articulate WHY you think the curtains are blue. We had to read The Secret Life of Bees in high school and like the young chud I was, instead of writing about the black family I instead wrote about how I thought the deadbeat dad was abusing his daughter because he was scared of her leaving him. When he treated his wife like an angel and gave her everything, ran away one day for seemingly no reason. So he did a 180 and pivoted to abuse to make sure his daughter never left him only to guarantee that she'll leave him too. I got an A+ because I was one of the only students who actually fucking read the goddamn book.

>>520438737
Guess what

>>520438425
This. I'm a fascist so House was the obvious choice.

>>520438423 (OP)
Death of the Author

>>520438425
It's funny how the snowglobe thing is lost on most people

>>520438731
And that's the precise moment the leftist can't defend his retarded ideology and goes onto the attack. In the years I've dealt with you fucking morons it's always the same trick.

>try to sell fictional idealized version of leftism where in reality you'll get gulag'd to death if you don't starve to death
>when this is pointed out screech endlessly about how every other system is bad and try to sow class division at every opportunity

You are so stupid that you don't realize just how acute of a drag you are on humanity.

>>520438734
Why do leftists call themselves woke then get angry when other people call them it?

>>520438471
youre projecting. Hard.

>>520438745
woke is their nigger word

>>520438739
look at that Nerd eating all alone by himself Lol

>>520438740
You are a more pathetic version of Don Quixote because your windmills are internet arguments that you always lose?

>>520438745
It's their N word i guess.

>>520438739
I wouldn't just say it's thinking, it's knowing how to think about media - the reason people call it literacy because, like learning a language, it's about knowing the symbols and the rules in order to make sense of them. Understanding metaphors, symbolism, irony, etc. is indispensable when you're taking the time to think about things.

>>520438423 (OP)
ftfy

Yes. Absolutely.

Caeser is correct, based and wise enough to realize humans are inherently violent, generally stupid and most lack common sense, as common sense becomes a fundamental law of reality for when the majority of humans are intelligent, they centrally communicate a shared radius of wisdom abroad through shared comparable expression dictated by intellectual capacity. If everyone is nearly identical in the range of IQ levels, common sense is truly common. And thus the sharing of ideas, formulation and "think tank" concepts becomes reality. That is what leads to the foundation and survival of established empires.

But alas, especially in reality today, that is anything but the case.

Any other ending of NV is a joke. Hopefully in the TV show, we'll get to see the legacy of the man left behind.

True to Caeser.

>>520438742
I'm with Mary on this one, people who want to be Bateman are fucking weirdos.

>>520438444
How much you know of media in general, and particularly it's meanings and implications.

OP's image is nearly unrelated to the concept obviously.

>>520438744
>And that's the precise moment the leftist can't defend his retarded ideology and goes onto the attack
Bro you were literally reduced to calling me a Jew. But in all the years I've dealt with you fucking morons it's always the same projection and naked hypocrisy.

>>520438753
But moving from one area to another and draining resources until you gotta march off somewhere else is a self-destructive way of living.

>>520438739
when I was a kid, we had the STAR program in elementary school. basically, they'd have a list of approved books for you to choose from, and you'd read that shit, then hit the computer and be assessed on your comprehension, by taking an exam that was answering questions about the book, that you'd only know if you both read and understood it. public school was pretty shitty, but I'm thankful for STAR at least, because it started me reading at a young age, and not just reading but comprehending.

point is, I don't care about your interpretation as long as you engaged with the material and you produced anything intelligible that was derived from a comprehension of the material.

>>520438640
>siding with slave owners
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>520438749
I was going to say "more irony".

I've never lost an internet argument btw. It's literally impossible. For the same reason you think you're winning despite your incredibly poor attempt.

>>520438423 (OP)
Media literacy always circles back around to "the message of every work of art ever is that you should vote for Democrats".

>>520438757
Ironic considering they are surviving in an irradiated, apocalyptic wasteland.

Guess they better start improvising soon, eh ?

>>520438756
>still sidestepping the fact that importing more scabs harms the working class and that importing niggers is an objectively terrible idea

You got called out. And you're too arrogant and dishonest to acknowledge it. Typical jewish rat. And if you're not a jew, it's even worse that you do their work for them. Far worse than some evangelical shabbos goy.

>>520438761
The correct take. It's always perverted by dishonest con men and ideological zealots trying to hijack consensus to their pet agenda.

>>520438758
>point is, I don't care about your interpretation as long as you engaged with the material and you produced anything intelligible that was derived from a comprehension of the material.
I think that's the camp most people should slot into.

>>520438742
>NOOOO STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! YOU NEED TO CHANGE!!! IM INSULTING YOU!!!! NOW CONFORM!!!!! I AM CRITIQUING!!!!!
>oh hey guys! Look at this dude, he shares our flaws. Hes like us!

>>520438710
It's not that people fail to identify it. It's that normal people can see beyond it while double digit IQ retards get stuck on it.

>>520438763
>Right-winger pretending to be pro-union just long enough to hate foreigners even though scabs are actually a different issue
Like I said, always projection with you people.
I can only conclude you're also actually a rich Jew, yourself, and you're doing this because you perceive a strong unified working class as a threat to your power.

>>520438767
>It's that normal people can see beyond it
Normal people typically don't even understand the main plot and will get hung up on a character doing something because they personally wouldn't do it.

>>520438763
He still won't address that argument

>>520438705
>make up a fake world with a fake God
>this is somehow Christian
lmao

>>520438761
It's literally just "think critically about things" and that just happens to make people leftist

>>520438768
>still won't acknowledge the holes in his ideology

I have yet to meet a leftist that can actually think.

>>520438423 (OP)
He put women back in the kitchen tent and thats based cause im an incel

>>520438425
I like him the most because he doesn't just expect you to believe his word as if it's gospel, and assumes you are there with the express intent to drink his koolaid, like the other groups.
He's an employer who is willing to pay you, first and foremost. He only tells you about his grand visions of the future if you show interest. And doesn't necessarily need you to be on board with it, he just wants you to honor your end of the bargain.

>>520438773
But leftists are bootlickers who are scared of thinking for themselves

>>520438773
Why are leftists the only one openly calling for Israel's destruction?

>>520438535
Am I the bad guy? :0

>>520438773
M8 I already said it from the start, its not "immigrants stealing your job and house", it's capitalists choosing this, and if they had to pay fair wages and weren't allowed to hoard houses, it wouldn't be an issue.

>>520438778
and it's still for the wholly wrong reasons

>>520438762
They've lost much just to have their tiny hold in Nevada. The first attack on Hoover Dam was costly in lives and resources which is why it took so long to build up the resources needed for another assault and maintaining their eastern portions is becoming costly since they don't invest in infrastructure and rely only on slave labour and trade. They're all uneducated morons blindly following a well spoken educated leader who's on the way out thanks to brain cancer. Once Caesar is gone the legion will fracture into rival generals fighting for power and leaving them vulnerable to outside forces wiping them out or allying with portions of the remnants. Ironically Caesar is more like Alexander the Great, constantly on the march conquering new territory who the real Caesar idolized for how he just marched along conquering.

>>520438742
Same as Fight Club kek

>>520438744
>YOU WANT ME TO HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE?? HELP IM BEING GULAGED SAVE ME HITLER

>>520438766
>he shares our flaws
If only you recognised them as such, that'd show a modicum of media literacy

>>520438781
Why does the right praise Israel and punish anyone who talks out against them?

>>520438742
I mean... Have you seen the ending?

>>520438766
>he shares our flaws
If your flaws are Bateman's flaws, you got bigger problems to be working out.

The only thing preventing more people from being left is the party being co-opted as the voice of trans supremacy and loud soapboxed whore women. There'd probably be fewer "chuds" if being a straight white male who believes in monogamy wasn't all it took to be one.

>>520438784
>no argument
Why do leftists hate the working class so much?

>>520438786
i don't participate in your false-dichotomy shlomo.

>>520438778
Slave morality.

>>520438786
Now post the Democrats saying the same thing, bootlicker

>>520438772
>It's literally just "think critically about things"
Yes, that's why Paul Verhoeven is not called media illiterate for literally not reading Starship Troopers because he was so offended by not everyone on earth having the franchise, but people who like the society in his movie are called media illiterate.

>>520438776
I didn't like him because he treated me like an idiot from the moment we met, like I was just to be his workhorse errand boy bitch, and basically fuck him. if this is how you're going to treat me, your employee, how are you going to treat your customers (aka the denizens of the wastes/your constituency)? he was power trippin' from the start, which is why I pulled the plug on him.

none of the factions are particularly good, but I think that's the point. every one of them has a flaw.
>NCR = status quo old world blues type shit
>Legion = blood thirsty extremist imperialism
>House = mad wizard in his ivory tower aka elon musk aka technocratic monarchy
>yes man = hurr durr I definitely won't fuck this up because I'm smarter than everyone
yes man is the best ending if you pretend your courier is a genius who has all the skills to be a wise an industrious leader. arguably, he does because who else gets more shit done?

>>520438780
Lowering the national IQ is objectively terrible. You are more backwards and ignorant than a stone age shephard-at least he understood selective breeding. I need you to think on that, if you are even capable of thinking.

>>520438744
>sell fictional idealized version of leftism where in reality you'll get gulag'd to death if you don't starve to death
Believe it or not anon, there are several steps between "good healthcare" and "gulags and breadlines". It is entirely possible to have one without the other.

>>520438789
Every straight white monogamous man I know is a leftist so what else aren't you telling us

>>520438791
I'm a leftist, I want to see Israel destroyed, the talmud burned, and people like you put up against the wall.

>>520438793
Sure. You're all part of the same cabal. That's why you have to focus on culture war issues rather than AIPAC funding Schumer, blackmailing Trump, and controlling the government.
You're too scared to say this in public, I'm not.

>>520438444
You don't understand it because you're a retard who takes everything at face value.

>>520438786
>jewish racial supremacist fascists are the same as a center right white guy

False equivalence

>>520438780
So why aren't leftists against open borders?

>>520438790
I am working class tho

>>520438444
It means if you take any message from any work of art that is not left wing, you are interpreting it incorrectly.

>>520438797
>it will totally work THIS time

Ask me how I know you've never cracked open a history book. And you're still trying to sell the idealized fictional version you slimy fucking kike.

>>520438796
>Lowering the national IQ is objectively terrible
Then leave

>>520438799
So you admit you're all the same? Then why do you only seethe when the right does it?

>>520438799
>I want to see Israel destroyed, the talmud burned, and people like you put up against the wall.
you should actually learn why they're evil instead of defaulting to the stance because you're programmed to root for any (false) "underdog".
(Note: Your "underdogs" aren't all innocent)

>>520438801
Yes. Notice how Charlie Kirk got shot only days after he sent text messages criticizing his handlers. Ignore the fact there were multiple private jets from Israel at this event and they left ASAP after it happened. That's communism and woke.

>>520438806
>he's too stupid to understand regression to the mean

oh no no no

>>520438805
There are multiple countries that have free healthcare that don't have gulags.

>>520438797
He wants to sell you his fictional demonised version of leftism

I empathize with Harrison Ford and Flint Westwood. They had their fun,

>>520438795
>yes man is the best ending if you pretend your courier is a genius who has all the skills to be a wise an industrious leader
It's a role-playing game, that's the point.

>>520438807
I'm not the same, I'm a leftist. Democrats aren't leftists. They HATE leftists. Why do you think they're pouring so much money into NYC right now?
Just wait until Mamdani wins on Tuesday, there will be extreme seething from the ZOG. Trump already said he will deport him.
Either way stop being weak faggot. It's popular to hate Israel now and you act like it's something you have to say in private.

>>520438809
Shabbos goy evangelicals are simply servants of the jewish racial supremacists because they perverted their own scripture. It's funny and sad at the same time. I don't consider them to be "like me."

>>520438802
Because it's not the real issue

brown socialism is going to destroy all forms of liberalism

>>520438532
The message of spec ops is to always 'tard wrangle your writers so they don't fuck up a heart of darkness adaption with pretentious meta faggotry

>>520438810
He's probably a low IQ immigrant seething

>>520438810
No I'm saying you're dragging down the average, retard

>>520438811
Mutts are retarded, give them a break. They're actively burning their country to the ground so just give it some time.

>>520438817
You said it was, but you blamed it on "muh capitalism" boogeyman.

How does importing cheap labour help the working class, bootlicker?

>>520438816
Yet you use their culture war talking points. Jews want you to frame everyone who hates Israel as a leftist commie arab sympathizer who hates America and wants to turn your kids trans.
America cannot heal until AIPAC is registered under FARA and Israeli control replaced by nationalists who want to improve the lives of Americans before all else.

>>520438444
You are not allowed to enjoy a piece of media in any way other than what the author intended, unless the author is vaguely right wing in which case 'death of the author lol'

>>520438811
I don't think I can even have a discussion with you for all the lying you do. Everything that you type is a lie. It's sick. Leftists post violent rhetoric every single day and carry out assassinations. You're disgusting on every single level.

>>520438818
insha'Allah

>>520438818
nah, naive liberals are their greatest ally.

>>520438767
>can see beyond it
no, there are a ton of retards who do not see beyond it because they don't even see it.
acknowledging-but-disagreeing is like 40 iq points above the average gamer discourse.

most people are too childish due to years of tiktok and marvel brainrot to accept that a thing they like has a message they don't like. so either they have to stop liking it or they pretend it doesn't have that message.

>>520438821
Oh no you're extra retarded.

>>520438822
Which country isn't? Isn't all of the west now going to shit because of immigration

America just takes in more

>>520438425
Holy based. No one can refute this.

>>520438798
That's cool, I'm happy for you. Sounds like you have a good circle. Where I'm from it seems like you're either a right-wing traditionalist who you'd think had the gubment beating down their door to take their guns every day or a guy who has to be open to the idea to someone else fucking his wife.

>>520438826
And then you woke up from your tard induced coma.

>>520438437
why is he posting that on rule34?

>>520438828
Probably. There are still shitlibs in South Africa.

>>520438423 (OP)
>media literacy
this agen?

>>520438784
based

>>520438837
unfortunately not, it's a real picture.

>>520438423 (OP)
How the fuck do I speak with convection

>>520438824
You're combating a straw man. My political stance is basically supporting anyone that doesn't want to genocide and enslave my race or turn my sons into eunuchs. The left desperately wants both of those things.

>>520438823
>You said it was
Media literacy on display huh
>How does importing cheap labour
It's cheap because capitalists are circumventing minimum wage laws. Address that, and it won't matter if the borders are open because foreign workers would be on equal footing.

>>520438826
>If I don't have an insurance company's foot up my ass, it'll be communism
I cannot go to the hospital in the town I live in because my work provided insurance would not negotiate with our local hospital. And I cannot move without getting a new job. And our work can't get a different insurance company.
We can deal with closing the border AND not ream every citizen with health bills, these are not mutually exclusive things!

>>520438801
99% of center right white guys are literal cattle who vote for whatever their billionaire pedophile overlords want. it doesn't matter what they personally believe as long as they continue melting their brains to fox news and getting mad at the latest social media ragebait.

>>520438841
>immediately goes back to ZOG culture war talking points
Up against the wall faggot.

>>520438834
All you do is lie. If you had any shame that would bother you. But you're something less than human.

>>520438840
You put someone in the oven before or after speaking.

leftists literally cannot distinguish between is vs ought

>>520438823
>bootlicker
You're the one simping for capital, letting them get away with everything whilst you seethe at the least powerful people in society. Why punish the workers but not those who hire them?

>>520438845
>admits he wants to genocide me

Well thanks for proving me right.

>>520438831
There's about a thousand other issues that plague muttmerica that's plunging it to shit. It's hilarious how they constantly vote against giving themselves healthcare and better education compared to the rest of the entire world lmao

>>520438815
>Guy hates zionism
Makes me wanna vote for him even more

>>520438842
But the value of labor would be lowered due to the immigrants, making the rich richer.

If you support that then you're against the working class, bootlicker

>>520438826
Are you suggesting he's lying when he says other countries have healthcare
>Leftists post violent rhetoric every single day and carry out assassinations
Lol jesus, look where you are

You're losing the plot m8

>>520438850
Perhaps you should try being America first and stop trusting everything the jewish media tells you.
Instead of going to the root of the problem you just want to argue about trannies and browns. You don't care that all of that happened because of AIPAC bribing and blackmailing people. Clearly you're aware of it, yet you still make the choice to play their puppet.

>>520438846
Project harder retard

>>520438425
Based!

>>520438849
>>520438842
Notice that mainstream political opinions are carefully selected like this so that no matter which side wins nothing will actually get done and improve life for the constituents.
There is no candidate who talks about closing the borders AND enforcing antitrust laws, minimum wage, fixing the tax code, etc.

>>520438742
Bateman is based and we all should be more like him.

>>520438849
So why not do something about the borders then? That way "capitalists" can't undercut wages. Why are leftists supporting this?

>>520438851
>It's hilarious how they constantly vote against giving themselves healthcare
So uh, is that why you let in millions of spics?
Because you wanted to give me healthcare?
Speaking of which- you had four years to give us healthcare, where is it?

>>520438754
they're gay.

>>520438851
Our education system is fried because we keep trying and failing to uplift niggers. We pour millions and millions into these programs and it doesn't help because the curriculum is sociology hooplah to try and uplift niggers.

>>520438841
You support me then! I'm a communist btw

>>520438855
But it OK when the left wing Democrats do it?

>>520438425
I mean technically you could make a generation ship with all the tests vault-tec has done

>>520438864
*Votes exactly the same as a shitlib race obsessive.

>>520438423 (OP)
>people are unhappy and gravitate towards powerful figures promising change
wow... no way... I am le stunned.

>>520438864
>You support me then! I'm a communist btw
lol

>>520438815
>I'm not the same, I'm a leftist. Democrats aren't leftists. They HATE leftists.

>>520438863
The healthcare systems in other countries are also failing due to the same immigration issues as America

Weird how leftists won't talk about that

>>520438853
>the value of labor would be lowered due to the immigrants
Why do you keep acting like the choices of the capitalists in power are some natural phenomenon beyond human intervention, but then suggest strictly controlling how people move is a real solution?

>>520438865
>democrats
>left wing
lol

>>520438870
Why are you so vested in Jews having control over America? What do you gain from it?

>>520438863
That talking point is about a decade old, our education is in shambles now because parents gave their kids ipads from age 2 and now their brains are fried, and even kids who dodged the ipad still had their brain fried by social media and attention span destroying phones.

>>724806648
>There is a non-zero percent chance that he will be assassinated in the next 48 hours, either that or suicide by 5 gunshots to the back of the head.
I don't think there's anyone as hysterical as today's Israel obsessives. Get over yourself lmao.

>>520438861
Good question mutt, both your parties are constantly in charge... where's the free healthcare from one of them? Almost like they play off each other to stagnate the country and make retards like you think one is better than the other. See you in 2026 with zero progress made to your country, again.

>>520438873
>it's not reeeal leftism
So why are you so scared to call the Democrats out? Why only seethe about the right?

>>520438873
>Why are you so vested in Jews having control over America?
I don't care about Jews or Israel at all.

>>520438874
or we're just more brown

>>520438427
what would he have to say?

>>520438860
>"capitalists"
Bootlicker

>>520438876
Well one of them is kicking out millions of spics, I think I'll go with that one thanks!

>>520438604
So you say. But I've yet to encounter a hecking enlightened centrist who can.

>>520438871
>o... other countries are just as bad!!
Yes I'm sure you'd like to believe that. Maybe you can compare your education to some third world shithole to make yourself feel better.

>>520438872
It was a real solution for thousands of years. Why do you support importing cheap labor and fucking over the working classes to make the rich richer? Why are you scared of worker protections like borders?

>>520438875
Shalom

>>520438877
It's not leftism to fund Israel and push divide and conquer tactics on the people who want to stop that. Correct.

>>520438878
Yes like I said, you want pissrael to remain in control of the US. You don't care. You know jews are doing everything you're whining about, but you refuse to ally with people who want them removed from office.
Denounce the talmud.

>>520438867
In a two-party system where the alternative is fascism, I reluctantly would. But I live in a slightly more civilised country lol

>>520438600
That's the point I'm making. Stop making me repeat myself.

>>520438744
Holy fucking based.

>>520438868
>promising
yeah their propositions are promising if you live in a fucking bubble i.e. your room and have zero actual knowledge about how the world works and just assume everything is like your animes and vidya gaems

>>520438885
>It was a real solution for thousands of years
M8 we haven't had the idea of nation states for more than a couple hundred years, and capitalism a few hundred more.

>>520438881
>no u
Won't work, commie bootlicker

>>520438887
>In a two-party system where the alternative is fascism, I reluctantly would.
In other words, yes, you would vote exactly the same as any other shitlib.
You
are
not
different.
You're an enemy, and 'health care' is something you dangle in front of people to trick them.

>>520438882
You are the perfect goy, god I wish I was a zionist politician in america to make bank off you absolute retards.

>>520438829
I really disliked anita sarkeesian's uncharitable interpretation of the state of women in video games back in the day, but at some point she started saying something along the lines of
>it's completely possible to both enjoy media and be critical of its messaging
it's about the only good thing she did, whether or not she actually sincerely believed in the sentiment.

>>520438723
>people who spout "media literacy" are more often of the mind to support "death of the author"
Nope, the author's intent is the only true intent and if they don't say it only God knows. Everything else is your headcanon.

>it is also true that some opinions hold more weight because they come from a person with more insight and/or authority
Whatever opinion with the most weight is the one you were already predisposed to favor. Woah... what a coincidence. I could explain why the Legion is necessary in times of crisis such as a post-apocalyptic world, and you would disregard everything I said because my evidence has a conclusion that is reprehensible to you.

>example:
Person A and B are both assigning value judgements to the Legion, not the author's intent. Person B makes you mad because you hate them and everything they stand for. Rather than accepting there are bad people in the world, you're saying they're not allowed to like the evil faction in a game that lets you play as the evil faction.

>>520438894
What percentage of the federal budget do you think gets sent to Israel?

>>520438892
No, that would require honesty on your part

"open-borders and no police works on paper and it's confounding factors that caused it to fail" should disqualify all leftists but nah we have to keep learning this lesson over and over again it seems

>>520438886
>still too scared to call out the Democrats

>>520438423 (OP)
Why are Liberals so pretentious when it comes to media literacy? They try so hard to look for some hidden meaning into everything that now I want to become contrarian and just enjoy the story and plot twist of the story instead of looking past it. On a surface level you can compare the story to any historical context. For an example. Liberals thought Fallout was about capitalism when they were proven wrong by the original creator and they all got buttmad for being wrong about that. Ever thought just maybe sometimes some stories out there isn't exactly political in nature? It may use some political plot points to tell a story but it's not really the main course of the product.

>>520438893
If you give me no choice, certainly. I mean, are you no different from a nazi? You people certainly insist you're not all nazis. Yet you vote no different...

>>520438785
>>520438788
To have Bateman's flaws are still better than having your average Redditor shitlib's "strengths."
That's what you media literacy faggots refuse to understand; you're so much bad that the space fascists and repressed homosexual serial killer look appealing compared to a self-flagellating midwit faggot lover.

>>520438899
>open-borders and no police
Do you get your reality from twitter? When people complain about tablet babies, they're talking about you.

>>520438901
>I'm going to be a retard on purpose to spite people I will never meet

>>520438895
Of course she did, Anita Sarkeesian was actually a lot more reasonable than anyone here cared to admit

>>520438891
Nations have existed for thousands of years you low IQ retard and we've been trading currency for just as long

Its only been recently that idiots like you relying on buzzwords have been around though. And you still didn't answer the question

>>520438891
bs and you know it, ancient egypt was a nation state and there were plenty since

>>520438886
>you should accept infinite third world immigration to spite Israel
I promise, I don't give a flying fuck about Israel at all. Make appeals to me that have nothing to do with Israel. Tell me why I should love trannies and accept infinite third world immigration without bringing up the Jews.

>>520438901
What is "I'm retarded" for 500$

>>520438868
>posts a show that says dictatorships are a bandaid that always corrupts with democracy being the only cure
What did he mean by this

>>520438902
>I mean, are you no different from a nazi?
As far as you're concerned, yes, whether I wanted to kill all brown people or just was upset that nothing was done about the border for four years.
I won't sleep next to a poisonous snake.

>>520438887
>I'm a communist! I'm against turning your children into eunichs and enacting race-based justice and genocides!
>v-vote for the people who are against that? b-but they're fascists! I gotta vote for the people in favor of all those things I said I was against!

You're human garbage and a prime example of why all communists should be gassed.

>>520438899
Open borders doesn't even work on paper. It was started to lower wages and leftists fell for it

>>520438901
It's really easy to look down on you when you make being uneducated and illiterate a point of pride.

>>520438905
>>520438910
>Look at me I'm sooo smart"
You know nothing.

>>520438900
I already did, kike. Your kind is known for your bald faced lies though, even when everyone knows you're lying. >>520438799

>>520438909
Are you one of those retards who think nationalism is right wing? Even Benrie Sanders says we need to close the borders.
50% chance you're another kike trying to poison the well of discourse.

>>520438911
You say while posting the character that was thrown to the wolves numerous times by a democratic administration for political expediency.

>>520438903
Having delusions of homicide and being unable to determine the reality if you actually murdered someone or not for having the audacity to secure a client you didn't is not a good flaw to have.

All of you are gay as fuck. This thread was a waste of time. You're gay retards and ignorant of it. Please never vote.

>>520438909
He can't, he is an immigrant who votes Democrat just seething about Republicans

>>520438915
It's called being humble. If the author of said product actually purposefully does bring up actual political themes into their story, so be it. But you bringing it up after every fucking story posted makes you a pretentious freak. Not everything is deep.

>>520438918
Yes, that was the further drive the point that the worst democracy is better than all but the best dictatorships.

>>520438917
>Even Benrie Sanders says we need to close the borders.
Bernie Sanders apologized for saying this back in 2016 and Ezra Klein bragged about getting him to apologize for it.

>>520438920
>voting
lmao

>>520438920
>You're gay retards and ignorant of it. Please never vote.
We should have IQ requirements to qualify for the vote, yes.

>>520438919
Yet compared to being a redditor, it's a plus. That's what you stupid retards keep failing to get. You're so fucking awful that being homicidal schizo is a better alternative.

>>520438907
>Nations have existed for thousands of years you low IQ retard and we've been trading currency for just as long
That's neither what nation states nor capitalism respectively mean. You don't know shit about political history and you just have a vague idea of how things were "always done" and how that was better. Frankly, if that's what you're using to discredit anyone else, there's no point trying to have a political discussion with you.

>>520438906
Literally everything she said about games was willfully dishonest.

>>520438896
>the author's intent is the only true intent
yeah well I don't agree with that and I don't think many of these so called "media literacy proponents" do either.
>I could explain why the Legion is necessary in times of crisis
no you couldn't, but I invite you to try.
>you would disregard everything I said because my evidence has a conclusion that is reprehensible to you
no, if I'd disagreed with the conclusion, I'd point out why I think your reasoning is flawed.
>Person B makes you mad because you hate them and everything they stand for
>Rather than accepting there are bad people in the world, you're saying they're not allowed to like the evil faction in a game that lets you play as the evil faction
you can like the evil faction, it's a role playing game. that's why the option exists. go ahead, be as evil as you like in a video game. from where I'm sitting, it looks like the people who like the evil faction are mad because the people who don't like the evil faction come up with compelling reasons to explain why the evil faction is a bad choice, and the supporters of the evil faction can't handle that. they have no compelling counterargument most of the time and resort to edginess and fringe ideological post-hoc rationalization.

>>520438924
He did back Trump recently for defending borders.

The brownoid you replied to is quiet about that though

>>520438923
That was Yang's absurd idealism that literally got him killed while Reinhard actually fixed not only the Empire, but also the FPA.

>>520438924
He said it last week you disingenous kike. You still haven't denounced the talmud btw.
https://abc45.com/news/nation-world/sanders-breaks-with-democrats-praises-trumps-border-policy-on-podcast-donald-trump-joe-biden-vermont-bernie-2020-campaign-security-the-tim-dillon-show-social-media

>>520438912
Okay, so it's nazis vs. shitlibs then. Those are the only options and you choose nazi.

>>520438916
>I'm gonna develop a faction for political commentary, it's not their fault it's so gruesome
Really playing the strawman there

>>520438926
Damn that would destroy the republican party in America. The sheer amount of spics I see vote republican is convincing me it's the party of retards.

>>520438934
You haven't offered him an alternative, disingenuous shit stain.

>>520438928
>gaslighting
You've been doing this in every post, but I'm glad to see you finally admit you have no argument.

Next time just admit you're a bootlicker who supports open borders because you hate working class people

>>520438926
You would quite literally never have a Republican in any position of power, the educated classes are ALL democrats. They're the only actual group that objectively "votes against their own interests" out of genuine belief in their ideologies bro

>>520438935
It's really fake and narcisstic. Everyone in your political spectrum is like this. "I am sooo smart. Everyone is dumb but me!!! Because IM SPECIAL." You want to tell the world how smart you are so bad.

These types of people end up being the biggest fucking idiots of all time. Not one ounce of humility

tl;dr
the authors intent is only knowable if it is explicitly stated in the authors work. Not in subtext, but in a foreword or some shit.
anything afterwards, even the author himself saying what his intent was, is irrelevant, because it is tainted by the public's reaction to their work, and the author's reaction to that reaction

iow. death of the author

>>520438913
Okay well first of all, no one in actual reality is for that and you know it. It's ridiculous hyperbole to the point of complete fabrication. On the other hand, you explicitly want to gas ne, so this looks like another example of rightoid projection

>>520438937
No, he offered me murderous gay race communism in exchange for him maybe sparing my life I guess?
I'll pass anyway.

>>520438932
The ENTIRE story is democracy living on as a bulwark against autocratic dictatorships. From the beginning to the end.

>>520438932
Yang was also smart enough and self-aware enough to know it was retarded idealism and said so many times. He just couldn't bring himself to join Reinhard no matter what, but said had he been born in the Empire, he'd have begged to become Reinhard's supporter. He knows what Reinhard is doing is better than what both sides were doing before, he just cannot walk away from the democratic process o matter what.

>>520438917
>Even Benrie Sanders says we need to close the borders.
But I can't vote for him, that'd make me a shitlib!

>>520438906
Bullshit

>>520438766
>oh hey guys! Look at this dude, he shares our flaws. Hes like us!
So these people recognize they're impotent losers and proudly share that fact with the world? I somehow highly doubt it.

>>520438942
>Okay well first of all, no one in actual reality is for that and you know it
I know what I see you dipshits say all the time, and it is exactly what I described it as, you lying ass.

>>520438931
Denounce the talmud, moshie. It's easy watch
I denounce the talmud.
I denounce the tohra.
I denounce the kabbalah.
Jews rape kids

>>520438939
>>520438936
I didn't say anything about my political party preference lol.
Why did you automatically assume IQ requirements would be desired by a right winger I wonder.

>>520438946
Bernie Sanders was agreeing with Trump there

>>520438946
Ackshully it'd make you a democratic socialist.
That makes jews mad

>>520438951
Because only low IQ retards vote for the left and they know it

>>520438938
>gaslighting
Let's add that to the list of words you'll liberally overuse without actually grasping the meaning.

Next time you just admit you hate brown people. And if you think that's a misrepresentation of your stance, maybe consider what you're doing.

>>520438951
>why did you assume the extremely common right wing talking point came from someone right wing? Gotcha!

>>520438944
>The ENTIRE story is democracy living on as a bulwark against autocratic dictatorships
At the personal benign preference of an autocratic dictator as a show of goodwill against a good enemy.
>>520438945
Yes. My position is that belief is silly.

>>520438940
You keep labeling us as special in every statistic because you don't judge niggers. Humility and masculinity are basically the same at this point

>>520438937
Well it's a two party system. He didn't offer me any alternatives either.

>>520438950
Nick Fuentes is on video telling his followers to break down police barricades on January 6th and was never charged with a crime for it btw.

>>520438956
You're the one who insisted that stupid people should never vote lmao.
Maybe you're actually a self-misunderstood republican.

>>520438949
You literally don't go outside

>>520438944
The entire story is that a totalitarian system is bad, because without alternatives or rivals, humanity will stagnate and fall to it's worse vices. It's just that while Goldenbaum was right to stem the tide of the galactic republic's excesses, he did it in all the worst possible ways. Reinhard's response was the correct one. Fix the problems NOW. Get rid of the rot NOW. Let someone else come along and decide what comes next, and let them all sort it out amongst themselves and the strongest comes out on top. But to simply let rot pass to rot, or let weak, demoralized people "vote" for corrupt politicians ensures nothing will ever be fixed.

>>520438957
A good enemy which sacrificed everything to preserve democracy, yes. The show is telling you democracy is so important that even the small victory it has by the end was worth the immense cost.

>>520438953
>it'd make you a democratic socialist
So to the right of where I actually stand

>>520438959
Correct, I pointed out correctly that you are falsely presenting yourself as an alternative to shitlib race obsessives but actually in political behavior would be IDENTICAL.
My ENTIRE POINT was that there isn't really an alternative.

>>520438962
I've "literally" (gay faggot) watched shit lib race hustlers try and convince a room full of inmates to get mad at whites for their drug policies during what was supposed to be a rehabilitation class.
Now do your usual bullshit faggotry of
>Things that didn't happen!

>>520438955
>you don't know what the word means but I can't say how you used it wrong
Gaslighting retard

>worker protections are racist
Yes, that's what I said, you hate the working class. Next time just say that

>>520438963
Yes, and Yang's part of the story shows the system that best prevents things getting that bad is democracy, even though it is imperfect and will turn autocratic given enough degeneracy.

>>520438951
It's weird how you thought that was an political accusation. You stated something and people replied with what the realistic outcome would be.

>>520438966
>political behavior
Oh, there's your problem. You think politics begins and ends with voting every couple years. Your vote is your identity. Sad.