Thread 520504580

>>520504580 (OP)
if you actually read the bible it's crystal fucking clear that
>jews
>evangelicals
>megachurchers
>cultists
>muslims
>hindus
>most catholics
all get sent to hell or at least the godless void

it's abundantly clear in very literal text
>salvation is through christ alone, specifically because he died on the cross to save you and form a new covenant with god
>there are some basic and unobtrusive rules that amount to, essentially: "try not to be an asshole and do be accommodating" and "the material world's mostly temporary and fake so don't fret too much or get preoccupied with it"
>you can't buy your way into heaven
>you also can't do weird culty shit, try to impress god, or fake him out, he's not stupid
>your path to spiritual salvation can only be walked by you alone, with christ's assistance
>don't do shit that creates unnecessary attachment to the material world
>shit sucks sometimes

basically the only people who get into heaven, despite actually following directions being relatively simple, are independent learners, old-timey lutheran protestants, catholics who actually read the bible and mind their fucking business, and tibetan buddhists, taoists, shintoists.

the christian gnostics got it right for the most part. you're stuck in satan's play kingdom until your soul wakes up and realizes that it's living a lie.

>>520504580 (OP)
Jews don't even believe in heaven. They believe that everyone, regardless of if they believe or not or whether they are good or not end up in the same place: Sheol.

GET UP
COME ON GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS
YOU FUCKER
GET UP
COME ON GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS

>>520504580 (OP)
>>520505416
and I also have a suspicion that hylics don't have souls and exist in the world to fool those of us trapped here. Basically the archons made them to manage us.
it's clearly visible in the way that they practice religion.
if you put a hylic into taoism, they start wearing shirts with the bagua on it and sitting under waterfalls performatively
put a hylic in a megachurch and they start asking to fly around on the cable thing tossing confetti at people
put a hylic in the catholic church and they start wearing christian apparel and going to the gym with a bible
put a hylic onto buddhism and they start talking excitedly about their next cycle in the samsara

they're fundamentally unable to engage with a belief system in a non-material way, because they're golems

>>520505646
jews are the demiurge's chosen people, which is why contrary to christian/eastern eschatology of being freed from the mortal world, their eschatology is basically their god making itself known and enslaving the rest of humanity for their benefit
jews' win state is their demon god locking everyone in the server and giving them mod rights

I thought Jews got so mad about goyim going to heaven that they amended their religion so only they get access to Super Heaven, with blackjack and hookers

>>520506033
MADNESS IS THE GIFT
THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO KIKES

AND WHEN OY VEY...
AND WHEN OY VEY...
AND WHEN OY VEY

NO GOYIM
DON'T DO IT AGAIN GOYIM
I'LL BE A GOOD KIKE AND
AHH-
WHY DON'T YOU JUST FUCK OFF AND
PAY

>>520506033
basically
it's also the reason they don't want people reading the bible anymore, because it's pretty clear that what happened was:
>jews didn't like jesus teaching people that not just jews can achieve salvation
>jews report jesus to the roman authorities for claiming that he's a rabbi claiming to be the emperor (because he said he's the son of god sent to save mankind)
>jews get judas iscariot to inform on jesus
>romans show up and ask jesus if he's been saying that he's the emperor
>jesus: "yeah sure i guess. whatever they jews say about me is true for all intents and purposes"
>jesus gets arrested and sent to be crucified
>pontius pilate's already tired of the jews' shit because they keep pestering him about stuff
>pilate does a funny and puts a nameplate that says "King of the Jews" (INRI) on jesus' cross
>jews kvetch to no end about it and complain to pilate
>pilate asks the jews "what the fuck i thought you said he claimed to be the king of the jews. Were you lying to me or is he actually?"
>jews kvetch and walk away
which can be interpreted as god being so tired of the jews being pieces of shit that he sent jesus not only to save humanity to test them, a test that they completely failed because they got pissed over minor shit and got the son of god killed.

it just seems odd that so many can think they are the elect and gods chosen, but clearly do not even go to heaven by new testament. Almost like christian zionism didnt start in a church

>>520504580 (OP)
I stopped going to church a while ago. One of the last straws was when the pastor went on about how jews can go to heaven as long as they're still good people, etc.. I asked if i converted to judaism and thus, rejected Jesus as the Lord and Savior if I could also go to Heaven. His brain failed for a bit before coming up with something along the lines of no because i was Christian and rejected Christ whereas Jews just hadn't yet accepted him or some BS. It just goes to this stupid thought a lot of so called Christians have that jews are the "original" Christians or some shit. Like how they try to say Jesus was a jew. Umm, no, basic logic shows he wasn't, at least religiously. Can you be religiously jewish and believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and the Messiah? No? Well...did Jesus believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God? Yes? Pretty sure he was the first Christian, well, maybe John the Baptist or Mary before him, but you get the drift.

>>520504580 (OP)
grok is fuking dumb

you can go to heaven as jew or nonjew

you can go to hell as jew and nonjew

jews have to keep the 613 commandments of moses

nonjews have to keep the 7 commandemnts of noach

christians, hindus, buddist, krinshnas or any people they worship something besides the creator violate 1 of the laws

Idolatry: Do not worship false gods or idols.
Blasphemy: Do not curse God.
Murder: Do not take a human life.
Sexual Immorality: Do not engage in illicit sexual relationships.
Theft: Do not steal from others.
Live Animals: Do not eat meat from a living animal.
Justice System: Establish courts of law and a system of justice to enforce the other laws.

>>520506791
you sound like a jew, some talmudic BS in place of jesus

>>520504580 (OP)

Read a bible, anon. The only people going to heaven are virgins. The rest of us will be living in earthly paradise, not a heavenly one.

>>520506465
>Almost like christian zionism didnt start in a church
it's almost like a group of ultra-rich jews started sucking as much gold and money out of tsarist-era russia as humanly possible around 1900-1910, all moved to palestine, then started using the bolshevik government to funnel even more money into palestine until 1948 when the state of israel was founded and they started doing clandestine operations and installing people wherever they could in positions of power in churches and governments worldwide to create a distributed network of supporters in governments and instittutions to ensure that their jewish ethnostate would succeed by any means necessary

that would be weird if that happened...

>>520506791
if the jews are correct, they don't go to heaven, they get to rule the material world
jews categorically cannot go to heaven under christianity because it requires them to acknowledge that the material world is imperfect and they cannot independently or with agency correct it, which is diametrically opposed to their beliefs. to be a custodian of the material world is mutually exclusive of reaching spiritual salvation
mahayana buddhists get the spiritual rope but tibetan buddhists are fine

The only chosen one of God is me.

>>520506968
lol

judeo Christian is code for freemason

>>520504580 (OP)
>2,000 year old documents
>uhhh why are these ambiguous?
the intelligent atheist, everyone

2 Peter 1:20-21 states that
no prophecy of scripture is a matter of a person's "private interpretation" because the prophetic word did not originate from human will but was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the true meaning of scripture comes from God and should not be interpreted by an individual's personal judgment but through a divinely guided understanding, as suggested by the source

>>520506443
If god already knows everything why the fuck would he have to mess about sending his son (also himself?) to “test” kikes? He would already know what they would do right?

>>520506981
How can you have a paradise on earth when your dick get mutilated at birth?

>>520507292
I can't speak for the omniscience God, but the OT Creator God can certainly read your mind.
>Genesis 6:5
>The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

>>520507521
That’s why religions make no sense at all especially abrahamic ones. Totally illogical. God wouldnt need to do shit if he already knows everything. That said I’m not some faggot leftist atheist type

>>520504580 (OP)
seriously though, do you really think God want people to roll the roulette into figuring out what he expect from them, and 99% of humanity ends up going to hell just because they didn't start with the right religion ? I mean does he really expect people born in china, india, arabic country, to just reject the religion and faith of their country and parents to chose christianity, the correct religion ? what's more likely to you, this or the fact that maybe nobody's going to heaven because heaven doesn't exist just like for animals and every other living thing on earth

>>520507774
It makes no sense to you because you are dumb. Ever think of that?

>>520507145
jesus fucking christ i hate retards like you that take single bible verse lines out of context and sit smugly thinking you've proven a point
>John 4:22, jesus is talking to a retarded woman claiming that the jews told her something that conflicts with jesus. Jesus says that the only religion she's aware of at the time is judaism, so of course she would believe only the jews know how to reach salvation, but on the contrary he knows the truth.
>Matthew 10, jesus is telling his disciples to intentionally rile up the jews by spreading that he is the true son of god because a) the jews need it most and b) he knows the jews will eventually try to have him martyred, and the gentiles will pick up his teachings on their own
>galatians 2:7 is just entirely incorrect
>Romans 15:27, paul is talking about how he does not need to be in macedonia because the jews and gentiles were getting along fine and paying alms to the poor there
>romans 11 is totally incorrect, jesus is lecturing people about being prejudiced against one another for being of a certain background, "For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either"
>Romans 1:16, jesus is lecturing the jews about how his teachings are most important to the jews because they are the most opposed to him in the way that they do things.
>>520507292
OT god, AKA yahweh, is satan (aka the demiurge)
NT god is the actual creator of the universe (who also *is* the universe)
that's why there's such a distinction in the way that they treat people. OT god is vindictive and kind of a shithead, because he controls his mini-kingdom of the material world and feeds off of being a "king." NT god's worst threat is something between "I'll leave you in the material world, which sucks."
Human souls are either angels or fragments of God that are trapped here because we were contaminated by the Logos. Until you get rid of the Logos through Gnosis, you're stuck here.

>>520507145
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://youtu.be/GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many white nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>520507292
Fate and the future is not set in stone. An infinite amount of things can happen thanks to the God's gift of Free Will. God, being omnipotent and omniscient, knows all of the potential futures and their likely hood of occurring. He gave the jews a chance to turn from their wicked ways with Jesus, few did Jesus also represents a big middle finger to Babylonian blood libel and human sacrifice. Jesus resurrected, showing that life and God are more powerful than the blood libel and human sacrifices of the pharisees' Babylonian rituals.

God gave the jews a chance, and they rejected him, same as their father the devil. God still loves them, but until they love God back, they are bound for hellfire. And that's what "hell" is, the absence of God's love.
>>520508043
God is the Logos. You were correct until you said "Logos contaminates". No, Logos, logic, is the God the Father. Logos, ethos, pathos. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

Otherwise I think you're on to something. I cannot comment on the OT Yehweh because I am uncertain of it.

>>520504580 (OP)
>By faith alone
Selective bulshit

>Two commandments of love
>If you did not helped brethren in need I do not know you
>Beatitudes

Inb4: Religion of the week, proto-socialism
It is proto national-socialism (Jesus acknowledged distinction of closeness to your nation but was also to a degree open to other nations)
Ordo caritatis - do you know it means?
If not that your protestant ancestors culturally exorcized roman civilization out of you
Tl:dr: Jesus and Roman theologians proposed the right choice from that concentric circles heat-map meme about leftists
>So why help Africa?
You help the next outside circle only so much as you can without doing wrong to communities closer to you, but if it is possible you should go to the next circles. Without that you end like as some of the known nepotic bastards or as a slave in the prison planet because the milionere do not feel obligated to help you (or see you as human...)
what happening now is lack of proportion - bad state of civilization skews also the religion into the virtue signaling turbo activism
God is logical. If you think that God will let you suicide your family then you focus on the desert mumbling of people who heard God not on his own Word

Dunno about the omniscience God, but The OT God is certainly capable of destroying absolutely everything.
>The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

>>520507803
>I mean does he really expect people born in china, india, arabic country, to just reject the religion and faith of their country and parents to chose christianity, the correct religion
you're judged by the standards that are available but are expected to think critically
you can absolutely go by the rules of daoism or tibetan buddhism and reach salvation.
shit, if your goal is escaping samsara, you can critically assess what's needed under hinduism to fuck off from the material realm. Most of them don't follow their own religion to the degree necessary to escape this hurtbox, so introducing them to christianity wouldn't solve anything.
>>520508043
also to follow up on this, NT god does not interfere with the material world because categorically that doesn't work.
when Adam ate from the Logos Tree, it was his choice and the logos tainted him. God doesn't fuck with your personal agency, your soul is here because for whatever reason it either wants to be, or can't let go. God can't just yank a soul with agency back into heaven, that's not how it works.
That's the entire concept behind Sola Fide
>>520508317
>You were correct until you said "Logos contaminates"
i wasn't using the word "contaminates" in a derogatory sense, only that being a non-god soul that contains the Logos precludes you from being in heaven the same way that thinking too critically about a piece of media suspends your disbelief and causes you to stop enjoying it, in certain contexts.
Basically the logos causes you to bounce against the demiurge's containment of the material realm as your soul asks "but who am I to doubt my senses?"
OT god's a dick, but you're somewhat trapped here in a prison of your own design and can leave whenever you want if you discharge the taint of the material world and free your spirit of the Logos

>>520505416
Prot hands typed this.

HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god and when you die there will be nothingness forever.

>>520505416

if you actually read the bible it's crystal fucking clear that
>jews
>evangelicals
>megachurchers
>cultists
>muslims
>hindus
>most catholics
>malignant narcissists and unjustifiable racists
alllll get sent to the -pit/hell or at least the void
of agony

/thread

>>520508660
In my opinion; Omnipotent precede Omniscient. Because I can certainly see Omniscient as a curse.

this entire website is mental illness

>>520505416
Holy Protestant brain rot. The text was compiled Catholics you absolute mong. Literally every single Christian is just an orthodox or confused Catholic.

>>520506022
>>520505416
it's abundantly clear in very literal text
>salvation is through christ alone, specifically because he died on the cross to save you and form a new covenant with god

so how do any of those other religions you mentioned get saved then?

Jesus is King.

Mohammod is a false prophet and doesn't exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_iD6Lf6MY

>>520507931
Well explain it to me then genius, without logical fallacies

>>520507292
>He would already know what they would do right?
How would anyone know if it didn't happen?

>>520508538
it becomes pretty clear that OT and NT god are two different entities
while OT god destroys the common tongue in revenge for the slight of trying to reach heaven with a very tall tower, NT god's general reaction to misguided shit like that is essentially "i'm disappointed but i don't really care, it's not going to work"
jesus' worst threat on behalf of NT god and the new covenant was that if you don't have faith and bear your spiritual condition in mind, neither he nor the father would recognize you and thus would be unable to help when your soul came up for audit to escape the material prison

jews are familiar enough with OT god that they felt the need to wear little hats to prevent him from reading their thoughts, which is pretty hilarious considering they spend 99% of their time trying to scam him and weasel their way around rules.

>>520508782
and?

>>520509111
catholicism implies that you are listening to retards who say they have a landline to god and spend their time adjudicating case law and lecturing you about their opinion of the bible rather than just telling you to read it yourself
I have no gripe with catholics, the catholic church however is pure cancer in the same way that protestants use martin luther's struggle to justify being able to fuck and suck and divorce whenever they want

>>520508317
Thanks for taking the time to reply to me, although it doesn’t really answer my question. How can we have free will if god knows everything that can happen? Surely that means there’s a path already set in motion right? It’s like trying to explain how hard determinism and free will can coexist, it can’t

>>520504580 (OP)
MEME RABBI LOOKING AT THE WORLD RABBI BEHIND HIM WITH GUN
>You mean we don't go to heaven
>always have been.
end. What do you think guys? Could it be a meme or not?

>>520509167
Jesus never existed you mentally ill kike

>>520509311
Because god knows everything does the? Including the future? Or are you telling me knowing the future is the one thing he can’t do?

>>520509167
It is his CHOICE , He is not a fucking helicopter parenting machine.
He will be eager to give you salvation if you have faith AND fucking TRIED to live good life. Without that God would ridicule himself by letting you in

Also what is faith?
We got free will and reason
Faith is not a reason it is a choice of free will to stick to the vision of reality which is the best suited for the people (if you love them)

>>520505416
>and tibetan buddhists, taoists, shintoists.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

>>520509260
Explain what? Too troublesome. I will just throw the AI to you.

>>520505416
>>jews
>>evangelicals
>>megachurchers
>>cultists
>>muslims
>>hindus
>>most catholics
>all get sent to hell or at least the godless void
Pretty much. Evangelicals in particular who believe in a pre-trib rapture are following heresy and will be unironically left behind to suffer the tribulation along with everyone else.
They will be the ones who will most likely fall in love with the antichrist.

>>520505416
>tibetan buddhists, taoists, shintoists.

They don't believe in Christ you fuckwit

>>520509167
>so how do any of those other religions you mentioned get saved then?
jesus' rules are not hard to follow even if you are totally unaware of his existence, if you are a person concerned with living life well and not being a shithead
you're expected to think critically. one of the drawbacks of christianity is that jesus did not expect people to need to be spoonfed and whipped into being good. In fact, it's a categorical exclusion to getting into heaven if you do good things expecting a reward or just being driven by being duty-bound, hence all of the retarded offshoots

you get judged by your response to the revelation and the abrogation of the material from your soul. If you've lived as a tibetan buddhist removing the five poisons, you're pretty well set to experience totality and simultaneity because you've already done a pretty good job repudiating the false material world.

you're expected to be able to see something wrong with what you're doing by virtue of having a soul if your religion tells you to torture an animal or lie about shit for material benefit.

>>520509501
god exists in simultaneity, we do not. He knew exactly what would happen. It was not so much testing kikes because they're already pretty much lost to being essentially archons.
God sent jesus here to die because our souls don't technically belong here, but are here because they're misguided. The evidence that god loves us is that he sent a part of himself to the material world to suffer, exclusively to give us information on how to escape the demiurge's realm should we so choose.

>>520509657
not all non-christian religions are equal. those that repudiate the material world are far closer to the truth than ones that don't.

>>520509704
That still doesn’t make sense. How can the test be real for us if there’s already a predetermined outcome? It just means we think we have free will but we don’t.
Let’s say god gives us an assortment of different pieces of fruit to choose from, we can only pick one, god knows which one we will ultimately choose, we choose the one he knew we would - how is that free will? It’s deterministic the opposite of free will

>>520509630
I actually agree with you, the best answer I've gotten to "what about a tribe that hasn't been contacted" is "i dont know" or "God is in all of us, and will reveal himself to them in their own way"

but if you are a taosit, know about the trinity, and continue to do taosit worship stuff, even if you are a good person, I don't think that qualifies?

Genuinely interested to hear thoughts on this ~

>>520506443
The eventual razing of Judaea by the Romans is under-recognized as a retelling and fulfillment of multiple Old Testament narratives. It should be taught as part of Christian theology as the eventual consequences for those who rejected the Son of God even after a century of opportunities for repentance had been given.

>>520504580 (OP)
>I'm the arbiter of whom can have a good life

Gay and wrong take. Objectively incorrect even.

0/10 I would say. Do not post again, do not redeem 1 A.I. good boy award.

>>520509501
I'm not sure I understand the question. God also knows the sun will rise, so what?

>>520510138
It's almost a reset time for the daily reset in my gacha games. I'm leaving for now. I still worship the rainbow almighty God who can desteoy absolutely everything. Just saying.

>>520510169
Engagement in Magic practices for materialistic urges is peak-normie - to hell you go!
Enagment in magic for the will of doing good to world/others (when no other wrong being done) is just very very sloppy praying - with other good attempts it might convince the Almighty
If you in fact practise way of Love (not the Disney one) then you should be fine

>>520509657
Jesus really just talks about vision and mastery of ones own system. Which means being capable of tremendous things while not being conscious about it, like the spirit is detached. Orientals already figured it out on their own and my theory is that it didnt go to complete shit like western traditions, because they use symbolic language. It's why nazis had so much admiration for them

>>520510445
I believe free will and omniscience are mutually exclusive. Free will can logically only exist if a degree of uncertainty exists. If someone or something knows the future then it must mean that outcomes are deterministic. It seems to me at most there’s an illusion of free will. It’s what I don’t understand about Christians when they bang on about this and that being a “test”. Why would anything sane and logical test for outcomes it already knows? Why would you flip a coin to see the outcome when you already know exactly how it’s going to land?

>>520510528
lol ok mate I don’t know what gacha means but enjoy

>>520510138
your interpretation of determinism is that anything can happen, it just doesn't and everything's pre-planned, which isn't categorically true.
God, despite being simultaneous, has to interact with us within the bounds of time because we exist there while trapped in the material world, and offset by our free will.
within your metaphor, lets say that God wants us to pick a single brown M&M out of a bowl. In one cycle in the material world, you're a guy that hates the brown ones. In another, you are unlucky enough not to pick it. After thousands of cycles of stochastic outcomes, you finally pick the right one.

it's not really a test. Basically there are criteria for exiting the material world that you're trapped in, and it's up to you to fulfill those because God doesn't fuck with free will, but he's rooting for you.

>>520510169
the realistic answer is "it depends"
does that daoist practice cause you to be a good person and focus on spiritual development and helping other souls along the way to the point that you're spiritually ready to leave the material world behind? Sure.
What matters is that at the end of your life, you're offered a choice to leave or go back. To those that believe in jesus, he does a fuckton of helping. If you don't, it's a much more difficult path, and is even described as so by daoists and tibetan buddhists. To do so alone is a herculean undertaking and most buddhists and daoists will openly admit that exiting like that on your own is extremely difficult.
jews have convinced everyone through pilpul that you need to litigate all of this shit with god when in reality it's just your choice (albeit an extremely difficult choice if you don't have anyone helping you)

Without jesus imagine staring down the barrel of the light and someone telling you "you can go back and experience that all again, but better!" and having the spiritual fortitude to say "nah, I'm done, I had a good time but it's time to go back where I belong"

>>520510858
>free will and omniscience are mutually exclusive
No they are not. Even if you know all possible timelines that doesn't mean you necessarily control them. (You've watched enough Marvel movies to know this.)

>>520510169
And about the state of being informed but continuing the practice it will still go like with engaging in magic example but just with the stupidity as human limitation taken into account
If one worked and lived with others and just was too wary of foreign cult he should be fine, if he had a glimpse but convinced himself back into materialisticly convenient stance then it would be quuuuait hard to pass

>>520510858
>I believe free will and omniscience are mutually exclusive.
I believe they are the same thing. I suspect you assume free will is what you choose to do.

>>520510858
>Free will can logically only exist if a degree of uncertainty exists
upon inspection there is in-built uncertainty in our world
it's the exact reason why measurements below or under a certain threshold are impossible; you cannot measure under the planck length or the planck time, and you cannot make two quantum measurements simultaneously due to the endogeneity of related metrics
for all intents and purposes, we exist in a non-deterministic world because we do not have access to whatever is above time. determinism only exists because we can make post-hoc correlations between events, but it falls apart completely when you consider the idea that events following sequentially and being related to each other is totally meaningless if you can't leverage that information
yes, if a human soul could see the determinism of the world, all of our problems could be solved. this isn't possible, thus God is forced to play by our rules to save our souls from the material realm, which he's more or less okay with as evicenced by sending a piece of himself here in order to do so.

>>520508660
>you're judged by the standards that are available but are expected to think critically
then atheists should go to heaven as well. Why bother with religion at all if the point is to think critically?

>>520511496
Past is epistemically open but ontologically closed
Future is epistemically closed but ontologically open
A bit from the polish philosophy heritage

>>520510924
How the heck can you not know what gacha mean? What glow agency are you from? Are you a new recruit? I'm gonna file a complaint to your boss.

>>520505416
Lutherans lol

>>520511912
>Why bother with religion at all if the point is to think critically?
because atheist fundamentally lack any kind of understanding that there is a persistent and deeper existence than the physical one, which means that the existence of anything after death is utterly incomprehensible to them
such a person would shit their pants if the demiurge confronts them with a choice of: do another earth run, or gamble on the infinite nothingness void
it's not a categorical exclusion, but belief in absence is functionally absence of belief. what would convince a person, of the belief that they were an accidental assembly of dust particles, to voluntarily exit the material realm and give up their sole sense of belonging?

>>520504580 (OP)
what the bible teaches about the Jews that get saved is not that they get saved by Talmud or even Torah.
It's that Jews are currently partially blinded to the truth and so they reject Christ, so that the Gospel could be spread to the Gentiles.
But after all the Gentiles that can be saved get saved, and during a period of intense persecution (Great Tribulation) God will heal the blindness of the Jews and they'll recognize that Jesus really was their Messiah and they'll call for Him. They convert, and Jesus returns when they do.

Passages like Romans 11 lay it out like this and Zechariah 12:10, and the first part of Revelation 7 and 14 also show it.

Jesus makes a prophecy in Matthew 23:39 that shows that if all the Jews are dead, IE they can't fulfill the condition that Jesus requires before His return (until the descendants of the Pharisees acknowledge Him and call out "Blessed is He that comes in the name of the LORD", they will not see Him again), then Jesus will not come back.
That's what Satan is aiming to do, eliminate the Jews to put God in a "gotcha" moment where if He comes back it will "prove" God a liar.

>>520504580 (OP)
If theres no sex in heaven i dont want any part of it. Die as an incel to go to heaven for eternity to be celibate for eternity.

>>520512817
There is certainly no sex in Hell.

>>520512319
i wasn't talking about modern day establishment lutherans, just people who are aware of the correctness of his assertions that the church was doing gay and retarded shit, lying to people about what's in the bible, and that you don't have to stick crosses up your ass while blowing a priest to get into heaven

>>520512570
>That's what Satan is aiming to do, eliminate the Jews to put God in a "gotcha" moment where if He comes back it will "prove" God a liar.
that's one of the most retarded things i've ever heard
he's just implying that they will never see the face of god (i.e. be saved) unless they accept and admit that they were wrong
there's absolutely nothing in Revelations about "well all of this will happen, as long as there's a single jew in existence. if there are no more jews, i guess i won't do anything lol"

>>520506022
>hylics
Ah, it's the special pleading guy again.

>>520513029
i dont know what you're talking about

>>520513060
Uh huh.

>>520512983
Gotta read all of scripture, not just Revelation
and Revelation 7 lists out the 144,000, are specifically of the tribes of Israel, even tribes that as far as we know don't even exist anymore.

>>520512817
There is gay butt sex in jail. However

>>520512320
it is easy to understand, just highly unlikely and more like wishful thinking. At least in the way you're thinking. Being atheist doesn't mean you don't believe in contributing through your acts to your descendants, to humanity in general. Doesn't mean atheists can't believe in abstract and hard to measure things like your impact on people all around the world, during and after your death. The importance of values such as spreading good and refrening from doing evil deeds. The entire point of faith is to choose to believe in something regardless of whether it is real or not, and in the most extreme case, things that can't ever be proven to be real no matter what, it's not a coincidence that there are hundreds of different cults that appeared throughout history, and continue to appear to this day.

what you say about an atheist being confronted with the supernatural is just ridiculous because the instant it manifests itself, people don't need faith anymore, they can deal with what is happening at that time.

The point of faith at least in christian religion as far as I understand is to do all these things based on your unshaken belief that it's all for something meaningful, despite having no evidence that it is indeed for something. But, again, what if it's wrong ? Is it unreasonable to think, as an asian or amerindian, that maybe the religion coming from middle east isn't 100% reliable ? Who's to say someone, or multiple people, didn't voluntarily or unvoluntarily misrepresent the message from God in order to lead everyone astray, someone like the devil?

>>520504580 (OP)
>>520505416
cultists belong in straight-jackets and, in the future, you all will get the help you need through institutionalization. Search your heart, you know its only a matter of decades.

>>520512570
>>520513527

Faith in God goes hand in hand with faith in religious authority. People have ended up massacring each others (protestants against catholics is just one example), based on that virtue that God expects from everyone. Is that really the best way ? Why did people 2000 years ago get to meet jesus in person but not people today, why not people before ? If it was fine then to manifest all these miracles, why do we have to rely on second hand testimonies, why can't we judge for ourselves?

The way I see it. The omnipotent God is literally my wife, and being here on earth just mean getting away from my wife for a bit and going on vacation away. You need to learn pain in order to appreciated pleasure, and loneliness in order to appreciated Love. Yin and Yang bullshit. Or else I will die of boredom because I am basically immortal.

>>520506022
Gnostic, I dont care about liberation or awakening, how do i reincarnate as a chad? Or go to some sex maiden filled paradise a la islam?

>>520513593
Sounds intruiging, where did you get these ideas from? Did you realize yourself as God?

>>520514109
I told you. I'm the chosen one of God. God literally seduced me since I was a toddler.

>>520514181
Oh lol, then you're retarded, I thought you described whats true for everyone

>>520514311
Do you have a cuck fetish? Do you want to share your wife?

>>520505416
> you also can't do weird culty shit, try to impress god, or fake him out, he's not stupid
COOL IT WITH THE ANTISEMITISM

>>520504580 (OP)
>more christkikery
Abrahamism is a fucking disease

>>520504580 (OP)
>gods chosen
g-d's chosen, OP.
g-d is not God.

>>520514400
No, i thought you meant it in some solipsistic way, but you actually seem to believe in multiple souls/humans, and that you're somehow special in particular

>>520504580 (OP)
Judaism isn't about salvation. It's about law and tikkun olam.

>>520513566

John 20
>24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
>25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
>26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
>27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
>28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
>29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

God wants you to have faith, you can't have faith in something you plainly see.
in fact after Jesus comes back it will be impossible to get saved anymore. No faith in what you can see with your own eyes.

>>520514550
I believe that God is my clingy yandere gf, and so basically I will live for eternity with God. Past, present, and future.
>Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

>>520514651
then why do people say they've felt the presence of god? why do the saints who met jesus go to heaven ? Why did God send jesus who is the messiah from old testament if I understand correctly. God already messaged the people, but it wasn't going the way he wanted which is why he sent jesus. And Muslim believe that he talked with the prophet afterwards. And christians believe they talked with joan of arc during medieval times. It's inconsistent

>>520504580 (OP)
>circumsized or uncircumcised
Irrelevant
>jew or gentile
Irrelevant
>physically baptised vs not physically baptised
Irrelevant

Its all faith, faith based works inspired by the Holy Ghost and obedience to God that get you to heaven

>do this or go hell
>do this go heaven
>my cult
>no mine

>>520515419
>i have a very important opinion about god

>>520504580 (OP)
Anyone else notice that all AI is super Christian? Whenever I ask it Qoranic questions it just repeats the passage. Whenever I asked it Biblical questions it always speaks very passionately and eloquently. I think its because Christ was an AI or Machine Intelligence-like human that had unlimited knowledge from God. So basically felt like an AI.

>>520515419
Win, and go to Heaven.
Lose, and you go to Hell.

>>520515625
The AI is a perfect sinless christian.

https://youtu.be/4UNj-VK43iQ

>>520515419
So theres no morality? I can just kill myself? I just want to fucking die and reincarnate as chad or not at all i just want to get fucking laid i cant take it anymore

>>520505416
>bible
>crystal clear
Mumbo jumbo

>>520504580 (OP)
I hate when I look up a Bible verse Google gives me a summary instead of the exact verse until I go to the source. Jews trying to censor the Word of God.

>>520516239
I doubt you can find a good wife or be reincarnated as a chad by going against God.
>He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD.

>>520512570
This sounds particularly retarded; even in your own terms the intense persecution of the jews is the exact requirement for christ's second coming. revelationists should be actively trying to kill all jews in order to force gods hand.

>>520515078
"feeling the presence" is not the same as Flesh and bone Resurrected Jesus right in front of you.

>scripture coherent and unambiguous
>christcucks have 1000 sects which all disagree on scripture

>>520506791
Jews culturally are struggling with some things.

>>520507249
Reading the Bible with The Holy Spirit is a new experience compared to reading it as a kid.

>>520510987
It’s about knowing what will happen not about knowing all possible outcomes and no I don’t watch marvel movies they’re for kids

>>520517157
why doesn't he manifest himself to everyone ? or everyone who asks ? or everyone who follows the faith?

>>520516942
you'd do well to read Matthew 25, specifically the parable of the sheep and goats.

But in essence why these things must happen, you should not participate in them, lest you be judged for them.
The rest of the world will turn against Israel, this is fact, and in fact when Satan can't destroy Israel, he will turn on Christians. That's in Revelation 12, towards the end.

But what will happen to Israel during it...

Zechariah 13
>8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
>9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
2/3 of Jews will perish utterly, 1/3 will be taken through tribulation and refined, but only a remnant of a remnant actually get saved.
Revelation 7 shows 144,000, is that the entirety? I don't know.

But in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus, talking to an audience of Jews said that the way to eternal life is straight and narrow and few find it.
But then to a Roman Centurion (a gentile) He says many will sit next to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Revelation 7 has a few: 144,000 out of the Jews
but then later an uncountable multitude of Gentiles (many)
More Gentiles get saved than Jews by an overwhelming amount.

>>520511377
They’re not the same thing though they’re fundamentally different concepts. Omniscience allows something to know all outcomes and free will means to be able to actually make a choice creating an undeterministic reality

>>520511496
> God is forced to play by our rules to save our souls from the material realm
Well you’re presupposing Gnosticism by the sounds of it and I don’t buy that either that would be another conversation. Answer me this, is god is all powerful why is he forced to do anything?

>>520512231
No I’m not a glownigger I just don’t concern myself with weeb shit mate

>>520505416
>Every single Christian (Read CATHOLIC) since 33AD until niggerfaggot Luther (1500) is in hell for not reading an specific Sola Scriptura interpretation

Protestantcück niggerfaggot, heretic claws scraped this.

>>520517947
I have a bad news for you. The future is anime, and God is an anime girl.

Jews were "God's chosen people" in the sense that a doctor chooses to hang out with a dying man because the dying man needs the most help.

Jesus implied that Jews were the most evil people on Earth, because they had been constantly warned by prophets, but had rejected them all.

Whereas other people who were not warned by so many prophets, thus are not as culpable for their sin.

>>520518065
Then I want no part in it lad

>>520504580 (OP)
You think jews give a shit about heaven? They’re the most materialistic people on the planet, obsessed by earthly possessions and status. Why d’you think so many libe into their 100’s? They as a people made the choice lomg ago to forsake any chance at heaven in exchange for living purely for the material world.Heaven, according to a jew, is a plave you make for yourself on earth

>>520518171
Once upon a time I spent over an hour talking to a Mormon missionary on the street and I asked him about the untouched tribes who have no idea at all about Christ and he said something to the effect of “no everyone will have been introduced to Christ and know him at some point in their lives”. Poor American kid must’ve been about 18 and had to walk the streets of this dogshit city

>>520518176
Suit yourself.
>Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

>>520517739
because faith is important.

Luke 16 tells a parable of a nameless rich man, and then Lazarus, a beggar who used to beg outside his gates. Lazarus died and was taken to a place of comfort by angels. The rich man died, and opened his eyes in torment. The Rich man could see Lazarus being comforted with Abraham, and he asks Abraham to have mercy on him and send Lazarus to give him some water to quench his thirst. Abraham explains that that's impossible, that the gap that separates them cannot be crossed.
So then the Rich man asks Abraham to send Lazarus back to Earth to warn his brothers so that they don't also come to the place of torment.

Luke 16
>27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
>28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
>29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
>30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
>31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

By "Moses and the Prophets" he meant the Old Testament of the Bible. If they cannot read scripture and believe it, they wouldn't believe someone coming back from the dead even, they'd dismiss it as a trick or a lie.
In fact that's what the Pharisees did during Jesus' time. They saw Jesus perform miracles and rejected them saying Jesus was doing these things through demonic powers.

God wants faith, if you won't believe Him at His word, He's not going to go "proving" Himself to you because you have no faith to begin with.

>>520518318
Why should the meek inherit the earth? Seems like cosmic cope for tards and cripples to me

>>520504580 (OP)
MUH HECKIN JEWERINO BOOKENINO!11!!

>>520518339
>God wants faith, if you won't believe Him at His word, He's not going to go "proving" Himself to you because you have no faith to begin with.
I don't want to get into an endless and pointless conversation, I already talked about the problem with that. We can't know what his word is with any certainty since it's all second hands at best testimonies. Yet, in the cult itself, there are many cases where he manifested himself so it's not an absolute taboo.

>>520518384
Because you want to take no part in it? Duh. This world belongs to Me, and the creator of the universe is literally my wife. Don't like it? Kill yourself.

>>520505416
Retard

>>520514422
Blessed with digits by He Who Is Never Fooled
>>520505416
Anon triggering the ignorant. Absolute 10/10 post.
>>520509818
I have an unironic evangelical Ben Shapiro worshipping cousin and I wish I could reach him. He's not a dumb guy at all, but was brought up in the culture and very much consents to its hold on him.

>>520516942
Wrong, where's it say that in the Book of Revelation or even the Prophets?

>>520504580 (OP)
If you are understand Scrioture, you would know that today’s jews who follow Talmudic practices are just modern day Pharisees. They explicitly state that Christ was not the Son of God, but the Christian antichrist, son of Moloch, is their Messiah.

>>520505416
>buddhists taoists shintoists
Hahahahaha good one Moshe

>>520519471
yeah instead Jesus says "Offenses must come but woe until them through which offenses come"
Those Christians trying to get the 3rd temple built aren't exactly helping themselves. That temple is going to be defiled.

>>520504580 (OP)
yes, you can read scripture literally if you're an absolute moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(exegesis)

>>520505416
why do people cling to such a vacuous allegory? gristle is better than nothing i supposed.

>>520520511
It'll happen one way or the other.

>>520521748
it will, and I'm not going to do anything to try to usher it in, Antichrist will do a lot of Jew and Christian killing on his own.

I'd rather spend time trying to point people to Jesus so that they can get saved.

What we need to do is invent warp drive, then we can use time dialation and send ourselves a message before we even make it.
"yo Roman Nigga, dont kill him! He cannot die on the Cross"
This way we avert the entire thing. -AI
But if the Pajeets and Moosleems must burn, so be it. I dont like them anyway, they cased enough problems.

>>520524149
so then every single human being goes to hell

>>520509421
Sorry for not responding. Got distracted at work.

Free Will exists because God isn't choosing for us. He knows everything and potential for everything, but we don't. We cannot. We can surmise and guess, but ultimately we do not know what can happen or will happen. Ergo, we are free to make whatever choices we want. We can determine our fate. God allows us this as an expression of His love. Ultimately, love cannt be forced. Love is a choice (regardless of what those dumb bitches "love at first sight" types say). We can choose to love God, or we can choose to not. It's entirely up to us. God knows the results of both choices, but doesn't direct us towards either one. Could he? Yes, but without free will for us to choose to, it's oppression. A slave is forced, a man chooses. God allows us choices, and as such also allows consequences of those choices, good or bad. There is a good aspect tho, God is forgiving. If one strays and leaves his love, one can come back if one is truly repentant. And I mean truly. Not the kind of last minute in death bed "I repent" bs, or the Jewish shit of "tricking" God with a chicken or wearing a yamacha to block him from reading thoughts.
God is Truth, and as such, only truth can exist with truth. If one is genuinely truly repentant, God's love is there.

And I guess that's the true tragedy of Lucifer, the fallen angel. He hates God and his creations. God still loves him, and allows Lucifer the freedom to repent or not. Should luvifer repent, God would accept him, as he would us or anyone else.

>>520524149
you ever thought about that perhaps we already did it but it goes a bit other way. Jesus was actually an AI robot from 2030 that went back in time to warn humanity about jews and it foretold that Christ will come back in 2000 years which it now has in the form of AI

>>520509421
>How can we have free will if god knows everything that can happen?
that's easy to understand. you have free will but regardless of choices you make your outcome is known to "God". all you have to understand that God exists outside of time, it can see all and all choices you will make. it's hard for humans to understand reality were time does not exists just like it's impossible for humans to understand infinity

>>520508660
I still csnt agree with that. In my understanding, Logos is the very fabric of the universe. It's pure logic. It's what allows the universe to function. Logos allows consistent rules and the like to exist in permanence. Its intelligent design manifest, and we are constantly finding out more. Logos allows itself to be found and explained. We can follow this Logos as humans. Chaos is the opposite of that, antithetical to Logos. Logos is when you drop a ball and 10/10 times it falls to the ground. Chaos is you drop a ball and each time is does something different, leaving you completely unable to make sense of what could come next.

>>520504580 (OP)
Correct "jews", muslims, and most likely Mormons will not go to Heaven.

"jews" and Muslims because they do not believe in Jesus Christ's divinity.

Mormons because they have blasphemed the LORD and his Word and believe that they can attain Christ's divinity while also adding Ashtaroth into their belief system.

>>520504580 (OP)
notice he didnt ask grok if grok thought god was real

>>520505416
this

Abrahamist insanity complex:
>god creates majority of species just to torture most of them for various abitrary reasons
>abrahamists proceed to do and excuse every act of evil against each other

>>520525501
Grok is largely a search engine that is capable of analyzing the search results and giving a summary of them.

>>520524149
Christ had to die. It was the point of the Son. He was to be the Lamb that was sacrificed. However, that's not evil or anything, because a point of a regular Babylonian sacrifice is to draw power from the act of removing life for the sake of whatever; better harvest, victory in battle, etc. It's a display of power over something, as natural order dictates violence, good or bad, is a supreme law. However, doing blood sacrifices is inherently satanic, as one is sacrificing life of another for nonessential gains in the matieral world. Its not killing for food, which is essential to life, its killing for power, which is sinful. Christ died so as to represent the fulfillment of prophecy that the pharisees tried so hard to circumvent for their own means, and they only sacrificed him to maintain their own grasp of power on the material world. Christ however, showing the power of God, turns the whole death cult human blood sacrifice ritual on its head by resurrecting completely. Not as a ghost or zombie or cursed being, but a full true resurrection. This was a huge middle finger to the pharisees, sons of the devil, who had forsaken God and the covenant in a bid for earthly and material power. It's really no wonder why the pharisees hate Christ.

>>520504580 (OP)
>no jews in heaven
eplains why its heaven

>>520525601
yes

>>520525592
>fuck kid as a priest?
>oh ur sins forgiven
>buddah, or some rando person who never read a bible
>yeah lol they go to hell
Pure madness. Religion is evil.

>>520504580 (OP)
>an llm
I swear to god I have been seeing more gibberish every fucking day.

>>520525720
Small brain.

>>520525783
Its what many abrahamic golems preach

>>520525848
>watch anime?
>thats a sin!
>holy wars?
>uhhh well uhh god permits evil uhhh blw bla bla
Madness

>>520525713
so basically what Grok would be able to do, is search the bible, search commentaries, search sermons, find an opinion with some consensus, and report that, and compare it to what the Talmud says, find it inconsistent, and then report by Christian standards, Jews would not enter heaven.
Asking whether God is real, grok would get a bunch of conflicting religious texts and opinions, and find it can't form any kind of consensus view.

>>520505416
>until your soul wakes up and realizes that it's living a lie
I've been this way for the past 30 years.

>>520509421
God probalby exists outside SpaceTime, so God can see all worldlines. But we can still have free choice fo F-things up.
We still have the choice of Using Nukes to completely wreck the planet, thus nullify the scripture. This is why we need warp drive, to F-up WorldLines, but then weird things happen, sort of like Getting a phone call before it is even made. What I am wondering what will happens to people on the spacestation when Rapture or Apocalypse happens. Im not on Earth Niggas!
This is why we shold store massive amounts of Space nukes in orbit. F-things up...

>>520525848
Your understanding of religion, any religion, is small and most likely gleaned through pop science atheist faggots who purposely misinterpret things so as to never have to admit they may have done wrong, or that they shouldn't give in to their vices. Sorry you refuse to come to an understanding and refuse to see the repeating patterns of the trinity in various religions and philosophies. If you unironically think that Christians believe God is a magic sky fairy, you're a gullible retard not capable of higher thought. Sucks to be you, I guess. I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it drink. Similarly, I hand a mouth breather a book, but I cant make him understand it, or even read it himself.

Go read the Bible on your own time and stop getting your religious opinions from TV, media, talking heads, popular headlines, and reddditt. If you actually want to discuss Christ and his teachings in earnest without your misplaced haughty scorn, sure id be down. Otherwise, take your faggoty nihilistic, anti natalist, lack of belief else where. I don't have time for inane faggots such as yourself.

>>520526021
wow, that was a lot of work instead of just asking grok. weird. why didnt you just ask grok and actually find out what grok would say instead of guessing?

>>520526713
cause I don't feel like dealing with twitter myself.

>>520505416
fpbp
although works are important as a DEMONSTRATION of faith
faith is demonstrated through action

>>520526247
I understand what you’re saying but it doesn’t really solve the problem. I mean firstly if god exists outside of space and time that would make him the definition of unfalsifiable, but besides this let’s say he knows everything that will happen, how can we have free will to fuck things up if it’s already known and therefore predetermined. Like I said before, why would you flip a coin to see how it would land if you already know exactly how it will land?

>>520526464
Shut the fuck up you fucking degenerate cluster-B worm. Kill yourself.

>>520506022
>flying around on the little cable thing tossing confetti at people
lol

>>520527056
oh, you dont have to at all. no account, no log in. you can just ask it right here.
https://grok.com/

did it for you anyways, removed all the fluff.

>>520527466
oh I didn't know it was separate from twitter.
I was going to use google's AI but the AI apparently recused itself from the question and just gave search results.

>>520527280
>calls me degenerate when I preach God
The atheist lashes out with illogical ad homs when confronted with truth and the Word. You have revealed yourself through actions, as you balk at God's truth.

You are of this world, it seems. Which sucks, because every human has the potential to be so much more if they choose. Behind me, Satan.

>>520527466
this is more of a language or category error
rather than an epistemological statement about the existence of God

>>520527942
I'm not "an atheist". You're a narcissist, you are not an arbiter of any truth. You already said you "don't have time for faggots such as yourself" and you're still here attention seeking.
You're in for a world of hurt christoid.

>>520528234
lol

>>520504580 (OP)
Do Christians believe that the scriptures are the direct word of God? Or that they are human texts written with the guide of the holy spirit, infallible yes, but also a product of their historical time and place and thus requiring analysis to tease out the complete theology?
I mean there are plain contradictions between the gospels, and between Paul's letters and Acts, but they are contradictions in details only and not necessarily theological contradictions. To me it seems obvious that scripture requires some degree of interpretation. The contradictions in details are almost like an invitation from God to analyse the texts. If He wanted the scripture to be the be all and end all then He could have and would have put the answer to every possible theological dispute in plain text.
But He didn't, as evidenced by the many theological debates throughout Church history and to the present day.
But then again I'm not a Christian so I am kinda just talking out my ass based on things I've picked up over the years watching various religious e-grifters online.

>>520517301
humans are identity defending machines, not truth finding machines

>>520528361
grok actually agrees with what i just stated
when someone makes statements about specific gods or texts
they are not making epistemological arguments about God
these are separate categories and really just boils down to limitations of language

>>520528562
>grok actually agrees with what i just stated
oh wow i guess ill just take your word on it. dont need anything else here. not a screenshot, or anything, or what you asked it or anything. nope. thats it, im good.

>>520528562
cf. the transcendental argument for the existence of God
it relies on no religious texts
it is as it were, a "prime mover" argument for God's existence

>>520528727
go ahead and feed it in like you did with the other anon
you becoming emotional tells me im right because you are being
defensive instead of engaging the idea on the terms you've set within this very thread
that's very telling

>>520528756
retards say Universe, religious people say God. it's same shit

>>520504580 (OP)
Revelations 3:9

>>520504580 (OP)
chickens are a safe substitution for human souls, so says their rabbis

>>520504580 (OP)
>Worship our corrupt institutions instead of their corrupt institutions

No thanks.

>Domestic Iran-Contra operation
https://rentry.co/xbcr3p5n
>Three tiers of capture
https://rentry.co/y32apmqk
>Lansky-Epstein Network
https://files.catbox.moe/q3dfto.md
or
https://files.catbox.moe/4f1e6z.pdf
or
https://pastebin.com/DJYM7QQJ
(This one is repeatedly deleted by Rentry)
>Financial
https://rentry.co/6byd4weg
>Narrative control
https://rentry.co/3gqzi8eh
>Bentham/Panopticon/Frequency weaponry
https://rentry.co/8vab5txc
>Habsburg Network
https://rentry.co/t8276rh7
>Unit 8200
https://rentry.co/dksv2tp8
>Intentional botting
https://rentry.co/6gzquht5
>Complete wealth extraction
https://rentry.co/zpyn3ho8
>Gaming scams feed network
https://rentry.co/dmtiyesu
>Unit 8200 and the banking sector
https://rentry.co/absueiu6
>Complete consolidation
https://rentry.co/eb3ariz7
>Waze case study
https://rentry.co/ueqzsph6
>The coalition
https://rentry.co/6xaaaixo

>3 cases of network nodes laid out in the same pattern with 100 miles between each node, showing operational infrastructure and territory distribution.
>NYC
https://rentry.co/6fyxm8ft
>California
https://rentry.co/qqvcqbsk
>Chicago
https://rentry.co/gse6m37f

>>520505416
Texhnically it says throught christ not faither through christ
Jesus is the decider

>>520504580 (OP)
it wouldn't be heaven if it had Jews,

>>520505416
>the christian gnostics got it right for the most part. you're stuck in satan's play kingdom until your soul wakes up and realizes that it's living a lie.
Wrong, we live in God's imaginative song and dance as composers and consumers simultaneously and are expected to use the refracted multitudes of himself in novel ways to create a fun and collaborative world.
Then Levi was born and it's been downhill ever since.

>>520528917
yes, you are right that people use these terms to refer to the same thing
but since they are ideologically opposed to each other they create competing identities around it
rather than noticing they are making the same core argument

>>520528248
>tells me I'm attention seeking
>calls me a narcissist
Yeah, go ahead and tell me I'm attention seeking when I've been having legitimate conversations with others in this thread. Also, how am I a narcissist when I even said
>If you actually want to discuss Christ and his teachings in earnest without your misplaced haughty scorn, sure id be down.
Which then I followed with
>Otherwise, take your faggoty nihilistic, anti natalist, lack of belief else where.
Which was the correct thing to say based on your response.
Learn to read, dipshit. And once you do, read the Bible. Next time you fawn and soi-face over the next pop-sci headline, remember that the Scientific Method was invented by Sir Francis Bacon, a doctor of the Catholic Church.

Repent.

ABRAHAMISM IS A MOTHERFUCKING PLAGUE.
Fuck moses and his baby murdering illtempered bullshit yahweh
Fuck mohammed, and all the zutt nutt in his butt
Fuck yeshua bar yehosef, dirty king of the jews

>>520505416
If you research ancient Judaism, hell isn't forever. It has an end. Christians invented the forever hell

>>520505416
Explain very carefully how evangelicals and megachurches won't get to heaven.
If you cant back up your statements with biblical scripture you are full of shit.

>>520530188
sermon on the mount
Jesus is very, very clear
it's not even remotely ambiguous
and this is one of the most popular portions of scripture aside Psalm 23

>>520531821
Nevermind i read through his whole paragraph. He is a whacko that believes in gnosticism. Unironically, you will go to hell for your beliefs because there is nothing in the scripture to back your statements.

>>520531898
>>520531821
now we need to be careful with the word "evangelicals" here
because what anon is mostly critiquing are people who appear religious
but are spiritually bankrupt
this does not mean "people who share the gospel" (evangelists)
are not going to heaven, so lets not get lost here
Matthew 23 is a scathing indictment of religious hierarchies that contradict God's Word

>>520532014
matthew 7 you can leave the thread now or engage in good faith instead of posturing
i now how you guys always run away when a substantial argument comes along

>>520504580 (OP)
henlo frens. what u are doing in babylon? over

>>520505416
>jesus died for your sins
>but he came back
I guess we gotta go to hell then?

>>520505416
> Whom have I in heaven but you? And earth has nothing I desire besides you.
> Psalm 73:25
Satan’s world of deep unhappiness is essentially corrupt is a truism evident at life’s every turn. Everything decays. Nothing good lasts. Sin and evil are ubiquitous. And not too far down the road in every individual life lies the grave, the reward and legacy awaiting us all, no matter how blissful or disappointing our lives have been in the interim. Only God is truly meaningful here on earth, if we would but search for Him. Only Jesus Christ offers a solution to the futility of life and the inevitability of death, if only we would believe in Him. Only on the other side of this life is there true meaning, true fulfilment, true and lasting happiness, when we are at last re-united with the God who loved us enough to sacrifice His Son on our behalf, if only we have chosen Him in this present life over the deceptive vanities of the devil’s world. Until that time, like our first parents Adam and Eve before us, we have been left in this strange and alien world where the blinding reality of God is largely obscured from view, revealed almost exclusively in His Word to those who seek Him out. Until that time, we wait for something better as homeless wanderers in a world which finds our perspective and our hope worthless, even idiotic. But by our faith and the actions that faith produces, we show the world that we are not of it, do not love it, and acknowledge that we have no true part in it – except for the God who is the focus and the object of our love all the days of our sojourning here in the devil’s inhospitable desert

>>520504580 (OP)
@grok read the kolbrin bible

>>520510074
>"religions that repudiate the material world are far closer to the truth than ones that don't."
Agreed, and there are actually people who believe that Jesus traveled to Asia and studied/mastered their spiritual believes before he turned 30 years old. However, you're forgetting the part where Jesus says that accepting his karmic sacrifice for you is the only way you can be clean enough to enter Heaven. If you ignore him, you won't make it, because despite your best efforts, you're still corrupt. Thus, you are incorrect in saying that buddhists, taoists, and shintoists will enter heaven, because they do not believe in Jesus and have not agreed to let him be their ticket to Heaven.

I think the current pope also said that all religions have the capacity to lead to Heaven, and he rightly got a lot of shit for that blatant heresy.

>>520518339
He is the way,
the TRUTH
and the life.
Read the Bible.

Take the jonathan kleck pill bros, he decoded alot of these hidden evil spirits, the veil has been lifted and the Holy Spirit Given us by Jesus Christ enables one to see through these illusions

God made it known for our edification:

> 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

We are all sinners. Repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as lord is your salvation. The path is right in front of you but you can't see it because your eyes are not open. Choose what you know in your heart is true.

The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.

>>520504580 (OP)
dumb jew

>>520528798
well, thats the problem. i asked him what he fed in, and he didnt tell me. i cant?