Thread 520819389

I have to agree that the arts are 100 times more effective than any sort of political debate. Which is why the left wing world view is so popular in confront to the right wing one.
Which is why it has been one of the rights biggest failures not to invade the arts, although in more recent times there has been an upswing in right wing media,

https://youtu.be/i1dZkeu9V4k?si=7UxgaJ1jY5vIomjO

>>520819389 (OP)
>Which is why it has been one of the rights biggest failures not to invade the arts
The left were the ones who invaded arts. All of modern art can be traced to the Dadaism movement. Communists also played a huge role in corrupting art, because they saw it as an avenue to take over. They tried it in literature first with the Futurians who are the reason why every other futuristic setting ends up being a critique on capitalism in some way.
>although in more recent times there has been an upswing in right wing media,
There was a ton of right wing content creators that got purged from the internet in 2016 after Trump won. We aren't even close to what we had even with Twitter being mostly open.

>bored rich kids who never experienced hardship will forge the future with a paintbrush
Nah art is more irrelevant than ever (and that’s a good thing)
I’m an art prof btw

>>520819389 (OP)
not a bad point. the right does, to no avail. try to cater to the reason and logic of leftards which of course amounts to just emotionally charged words that are instantly forgotten. whereas a woke, race swapped, dei, capeshit movie is eternal. rightoids have to look at it, know about it, maybe even watch it, and be angered by it, seething about it all day everyday. this only compounds as movies and art are released in series, over and over and over. and leftists laugh and laugh. appealing to reasonable leftists has always been a lesson in paradoxical insanity.

>>520819685
>We aren't even close to what we had even with Twitter being mostly open.
Well that's why right wing "art" in whichever form it takes needs to continue.
>>520819691
Art isn't just paintings it's movies, stories, music and so much more. The reason why 40k has so many right wing is because of it's aesthetics and it's also why so many left wing people are trying to co-opt it

Good point, OP. But this sort of thing is a long march, which as you know, the leftists went through to get where they are. We can't flip the script within our generation, but we can prepare the next generation to take over.

If we try to force it with shitty right wing "freedom toons" and "freedom music," we'll just alienate everyone and make them cringe to death. Songs/art about purging might be popular if they're made in the same vain as Death Note. But we can't just shit out good media. It has to come from the soul, and it takes years and decades to acquire proper artistic skill.

Then there's the problem of the mass distribution process being controlled by jews and, ostensibly, hostile military forces.

>>520819773
you are contradicting yourself and talking about logic?

>>520820872
>Then there's the problem of the mass distribution process being controlled by jews and, ostensibly, hostile military forces.
Forget distribution being paid for it is a nightmare if Mastercard/Visa and whatever the fuck says you can't process cash good luck

>>520821193
Exactly. It's not impossible, just severely bottlenecked. But it's not such a tight fit that we can't bust the bottle open with enough pressure.

>>520819389 (OP)
Minds aren't changed by art either. The only surefire way to be confronted by the ills of your ideology is to experience it for yourself. The ills of communism and nationalism have been well documented and prevalent throughout the world for centuries, and yet more and more people are embracing those two extremes in regions that really should know better than do do that.

>>520819389 (OP)

Because the overwhelming majority of modern 'arguments' or 'debates' are done in completely bad faith and no one has any desire to change their mind. Just look at the Jubilee youtube channel with all their debates, it's not about convincing the other side, it's about doubling down on your own beliefs and shouting them louder.

>>520821378
For normies, communism and nationalism are just different flavors of "us versus them." Communism is more globalized and nationalism is more localized. The question is, "should we die fighting the jews, or die fighting for the jews?"

Kek. And it's hard to say what difference it makes. This is why a lot of politicos burn out and just move somewhere quiet to have a family. All that passion hits a brick wall of irrational futility.

>>520819389 (OP)
Only if the art can speak for itself. Modern art made by hylics will never be able to

Oks what do I drow and pent then

>>520821116
im not contradicting myself. right wingers arent associated with art, but they are associated with "prove me wrong" debates on the street. meanwhile rightwingers are also associated with bottom feeding shill and grift anti woke slop a la the quartering. it's a tale as old as time. conservative right wingers are always a step or two behind the left in terms of public discourse. the left: churning out degenerate slop, and the right reacting and reeeing about it, running around trying to convince everyone it is degenerate slop. OPs point is that the right needs to churn out aesthetic art to counter the slop instead of cloning more debate bros

>>520821989
What do you value?

conservatives are inherently non-artistic. part of the drive for art is the search for novelty and new ways of seeing things, which conservative personalities are by definition not interested in or capable of conceptualising.

conservatives can make beautiful things by copying other beautiful things, but they cannot make anything new. but everyone appreciates a bit of novelty, even conservatives - a safe thrill, a familiar surprise. and only the left can give you that.

fundamentally, your failure is the arrogance to believe that you don't need other people. to believe that you alone contain inside you everything required to make a full world. you don't. you are not enough. you need the left just like the left needs the right. humans need each other. we are social animals.

oh and p.s. you're simply wrong. the central route of persuasion operates mostly on rational argument and logic, it simply requires a fair bit of effort to get people to engage it rather than relying on the peripheral route of persuasion.

you are a very stupid person.

>>520819389 (OP)
>no one has been convinced by an argument
Anything can be an argument.
Instructions are argumentative. Think about it
>Do not stick your dick in the lathe
How many dicks have been torn off by lathes this year? None? curious.

>>520822618
Fake. Art is not novelty. Art is doing something well. Art is not shitting paint on to a canvas just because it was not done before. Your subversive communist idea of art is gay bullshit. Communists took over art institutions and then gatekept them, to mass manufacture propaganda anti-art.

>>520819389 (OP)
>100 times more effective
At what?
>so popular in confront
What?
>Which is why
Starting two sentences back to back the exact same way just rolls off the tongue.
>invade the arts
Like it’s a country?
>although in more recent times there has been an upswing in right wing media,
although, in more recent times, there has been an upswing in right wing media. Learn to write proper English, pastanon.

>>520822978
observe: the archetypal conservative who is completely disinterested in novelty and yet stares at his steam library for hours looking for something to play thinking "i am bored of all these games, i wish there was something new and good that i could play..."

>>520819389 (OP)
left vs right doesn't exist in art. there is logical soundness and taste.
they brainwash people out of what really happened by deleting one simple figure through never teaching anything of what he made.
low poly art is used to brainwash the masses. so what are you going to do about it.

>>520822618
>fundamentally, your failure is the arrogance to believe that you don't need other people
Progresses tried to dehumanize and un-exist conservatives. Liberals stood there and watched with their mouths open and drooling like lobotomy patients. Spare us this useless idea that we aren't "tolerant" enough. Without conservatives, you people constantly seeking novelty go off the rails and turn to child sex changing hedonists.

>>520819389 (OP)
>>520821296
>>520821378
Oscar Wilde was right that all art is useless and that there is no such thing as a moral or immoral book, only one that is badly or well written.

The trouble is we've been in a financial bubble and there is excess money going to promote ideology. In good times, good artists just sell out to whoever pays but also there's no pressure to be really good, so nepo babies thrive too.
Once the money dries up, people start demanding better quality. The best music and movies are in times of prolonged recession.
Art is also about going against the establishment and the establishment is fully left.
Capitalism is a dated term and so easy to flip to central banking being the real problem.
But that won't be done through art, but pr/advertising. All that matters is staying on message and keeping it simple.
every post, every mention identifying "capitalism" as the problem, say no, central banking is the problem. There's no argument they can counter with.

>>520823397
i don't give a shit about your terminally online made up grievance politics.

>>520823432
That's literally you retard. I was in college when all this progressive shit took off, and half my friends became histrionic queers who won't talk to anyone that doesn't affirm their drug orgy lifestyle. I had a god damned PR training session at work about respecting people's preferred pronouns. You people are a menace. Don't you lecture me about online grievance politics you little cunt.

>>520823633
i don't care.

>>520822618
>part of the drive for art is the search for novelty and new ways of seeing things
That's bullshit, and an overly modern conception of 'art'. Oscar Wilde was right about art being highly individualistic which is more of a right wing trait.

The actual artists are often not left wing. The lefties are the scenesters/hangers on and are mostly NPCs. They care only about being perceived as 'cool'. But even they are like that because there is a void in them, a deep need to connect to something larger.

If the right wants to win it has to be at a spiritual level. By leading the way and connecting people to something sublime.

>>520822254
Absolutely.
The so called right just has to offer something superior. The gatekeeping is falling apart anyway because once people are in those roles they don't leave unless pushed out and eventually they are what the next set rebel against.and they get lazy and promote slop made by their social circle instead of seeking anything out.
The only way to beat them is to stand out by being great but then also not selling out or compromising.

The war is spiritual.

>>520824225
>Oscar Wilde was right about art being highly individualistic which is more of a right wing trait.
ah yes, oscar wilde, renowned conservative...

also
>individualism
>right wing trait
how are you people so fucking ignorant? self-reliance is a right wing trait but that's not the same as individualism. people who are individuating, i.e. actively separating themselves from the mainstream, are overwhelmingly not right wing. right wing politics is the politics of conformism, even if it's conforming to a self-reliant ideal.

or, in other words, right wingers are all "individual" in exactly the same way because they are conforming to a standard of "individualism".

these are facts, not opinion. the research on this is crystal clear. right wingers are conformist and conservative; those traits define what it means to be right wing. it's a circular definition because that's how definitions work. right wingers are conformist because conformism is right wing. but you can call it whatever you want, all you have to do is look at the world around you.

well, not you, because you're immersed in pure ideology, but whatever.

>>520823110
Novelty for the sake of novelty is how we get bananas taped to the wall being called 'art'. That debate should've ended when Marcel Duchamp did that with a toilet.
The irony about novelty is that nothing is genuinely new, just younger generations think they're doing something new because it's new to them.
Everything builds on what came before them.

Also, conservative/libertine is just one divide. There is also establishment/subversive, pragmatic/idealist, status quo/reactionary

>>520824547
Wilde was not a socialist, he was an anarchist and a religious one at that. Half of his Soul of Man Under Socialism was about Jesus.
He wouldn't care to be a gay icon - he got himself into trouble by suing Lord Queensberry who was calling him gay.

As for the rest, MOST people aren't individuals and the modern left are more or less a hive mind these days, we saw this with the vaccines. The only people refusing to play along were those willing to stand out and those people are not left wing.

And ultimately leftism is about collective behavior and if you haven't noticed the purity spiral they're trapped in that pushes out every genuine individual then you haven't been paying attention.

>>520824897
>Novelty for the sake of novelty is how we get bananas taped to the wall being called 'art'
and?

so what?

seriously, what the fuck are you complaining about? you're not an artist, you're not part of the art community, you're not a stakeholder in that museum or whatever the fuck, it has literally nothing to do with you whatsoever, it didn't even happen in your fucking country.

who
cares

this is a serious question for you. i'm not trying to minimize your concerns i'm trying to get you to confront the fact that all this argument is is your own personal fucking psychodramas being writ on a grandiose external stage so that you don't have to feel fucking silly about them. you see a banana taped to a wall and it makes you feel sad and lonely because it is representative of the fact that your political class is "losing power" in the "culture war" but instead of confronting the way that you feel small and scared and alone you instead decide to make up some fucking marvel comic book superhero shit about saving the world from the decadent west.

it's so fucking transparent.

now explain to me how the fuck you personally are affected by a banana taped to a wall or go confront your demons and come back when you actually have a mature political opinion to share.

and before you piss and moan about it, i'm not saying you're wrong to hold whatever dumbfuck political opinions you have, i'm saying that they are highly undeveloped and immature. i don't care about bananas taped to walls because i know it doesn't fucking matter. one day you too will develop this staggering level of insight.

>>520825272
>he was an anarchist
wow so conservative

>As for the rest, MOST people aren't individuals and the modern left are more or less a hive mind these days, we saw this with the vaccines. The only people refusing to play along were those willing to stand out and those people are not left wing.
>And ultimately leftism is about collective behavior and if you haven't noticed the purity spiral they're trapped in that pushes out every genuine individual then you haven't been paying attention.
gripping insights that you've uncovered in your extensive learning, research, and experience as just some fucking guy?

i don't believe you. simple as.

>>520819685
>The left were the ones who invaded arts. All of modern art can be traced to the Dadaism movement.
m8 I hate to break this to you, but modern art was actually an anti-communist plot by the CIA to demonstrate the power of freedom. This isn't even a joke it's been revealed by freedom of information act requests, check out the original ownership of the MOMA, it's all CIA.

>>520819389 (OP)
>Right wing media
Lol, lmao even. Does it glorify a monarchy and return to theocracy? No? Yea that’s cuckservative media

>>520819389 (OP)
Dude wtf
Stop drinking