Thread 520833626

A decade from now, any single Western European country will be considered much less important to the world than India, and in fact, any single Western European country already today is likely either equally important as India, at best, or somewhat less important on the world stage in terms of industry and exports, services keeping global tech infrastructure operating, geostrategic and military influence, and possibly even cultural influence.
Altogether, Western Europe, like the EU, is still a bigger force in the world than India, but much less of a player than China, and in ten years, I don't see how Western Europe as a whole will be anything more than India's equal on the world stage and, as it more likely, it will be India's junior in economic, cultural, geostrategic significance etc.

World Wars I and II were the death of Europe. Europe, after nearly 500 years as center and ruler of the planet, from the time of Henry the Navigator in the 1400s sending expeditions around Africa to trade with India, until 1945 when Europe lost its central and ruling role in the world to America and then, as was inevitable, lost its empire too.
Now Europe is just a medium-sized peninsula on the western edge of Asia. It will never again enjoy the preeminent role it had in the world, but what is more, Europe's importance is in terminal and accelerating decline.
Britain and France were jealous if a reunified Germany more dynamic than they were in the late 1800s and 1900s, to they egged on two giant wars to stymy Germany's rise as the next nation to head Europe and keep Europe atop the world. Of course Germany was belligerent as well, so the blame is not just on the Allied Powers. But all this conflict, born of jealousy for the top spots in Europe, ended Europe's day in the sun.
Now all that Europe can hope for is a slower, less terrible decline into second world status with mediocre economies and increasingly poor populations.
It's a sad fate, and the same fate that likely awaits

>>520833626 (OP)
Go to bed deepak

>>520833626 (OP)
Here's the difference, Jester.
No one wants to live in India. That us fundamentally why India is shit. Anyone with any ability, money, or brains gtfo and go to the West.
No one dreams as a child - im going to get rich and once I've made it, move to India/stay in India. No one.
India will ALWAYS be a shithole that produces human feces that wants nothing but to jump from the shitting street into Western toilets.
That is unless we stop you, which I hope we do.

>>520833626 (OP)
America as this century grinds on and the West in general, led by America, declines in relative importance to the rising Asian powers, China above all, but also India, Indonesia, the dynamic countries of Southeast Asia that are growing rapidly, and yes, Russia too, which is aligning itself with Asia and turning away from its centuries-old Westward orientation after finally realizing (it took long enough) that Westerners will never see Russians as true, equal Europeans.
So as America loses its preeminence in the world, the whole era of Western preeminence comes to a close. At best we enter a multipolar world in which the combined West, if it can remain tight and allied, is one of the several key players of the global economy, political system, banking system, culture and so on.
If the West cannot hang together in the future, then Asia will dominate in a unipolar Asian world in which disunited Western countries are picked off one at a time by the new Asian hegemon, brought to heel and subjugated so that the economic output of these isolated countries can be restructured to benefit Asia under new terms of trade in a new global system.

The World Wars were the greatest foolishness in European history, worse even than the fall of Rome. If the West ever regains its top spot in the world, it will be like Europe's revival after Rome's collapse in the West: a process requiring more than a millennium to unfold.

>>520833626 (OP)
The average IQ of India is 78. Pakistan, 80. Nepal, 75. Bangladesh, 82. Literally less than 0.2% of your population has an IQ of 120 or higher. 63% of your population us mentally retarded. There is a large minority of White European populations who are more intelligent than all of India's 1.5 billion "people" - people your entire continent can't hold a candle to, just walking day to day through the streets of White countries. You will never be a world power and don't have the inherent racial capacity to be a world power, only a nepotistic dysgenic sewage pump flooding the planet and normalising racism and the need for ethnic cleansing

>>520833993
700 years ago Europe was a backwater compared to China. 1000 years ago Europe was a backwater compared to the Islamic World. 1800 years ago southern Europe, i.e. the Roman Empire, surpassed even Han China.
Times change, and just because India is shit today and the West remains desirable, does not mean that in, say, 200 years, the situation will remain this way. The only constant is change.
Europe is rapidly losing its luster and going from a moderately wealthy region to a middle income region comparable to Mexico today or to the Czech Republic in 1994.
It won't always be the case that poor people wish to migrate to the West, especially Europe, because Europe's material standard of life is in inexorable decline and cannot be salvaged nor prevented from much deeper decline. The continent is in enormous, unrepayable debt, atop having a dying native population, etc. etc.
America will remain attractive for longer than Europe will, but our fate is sealed as well. We have squandered our national treasure, our military morale and dominance, our reputation for invincibility along with our reputation for freedom, through decades of insane politics, needless warmongering, weaponizing the terms of trade, committing human rights abuses that America in the old days said it would never condone like torture, and so on and so on.
Thus America will remain an attractive destination for Indians and Africans for some decades more, and for a longer future horizon than Europe will, but America's luster is, likewise, fading.

And for this: we have the Two World Wars to thank. The belligerents on each side, first the Allies and the Central Powers, then the Allies and the Axis Powers, are to blame, for they were all fanatics spoiling for a fight over domination of Europe while presuming Europe would remain preeminent in the world no matter how much destruction they wreaked. Foolish pride before the downfall, the Hubris that summons the cosmic justice of Nemesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM
>this is what pajeets actually believe

>>520833626 (OP)
>I don't see how Western Europe as a whole will be anything more than India's equal on the world stage and, as it more likely, it will be India's junior in economic, cultural, geostrategic significance etc.
Only if India plays ball with China. However it is complicated. On the one hand India harbors some sort of resentment toward China. On the other India has a very hard time not caving into Murican demands. Of late India's been acting tough, though. Maybe they are sensing China's at parity with Murica now?

>>520834581
All the participants in the World Wars that doomed the West were stupid people, from the Kaiser and the Tsar to Churchill and Adolf. They could not see how creating the two biggest wars in history could end Europe's five century reign as global master and king of planet Earth. They were so spoiled by so many centuries at the top, and the presumption of invincibility that this long reign engendered, that they thought anything they did would not ultimately do existential harm to the West.
As Kunstler likes to say, some people act as if "anything goes because nothing matters." That is the decadent mindset precisely, the nihilistic stupidity of the prideful about to fall, and while Kunstler uses this phrase to describe America today (to which this mindset surely applies, as it is everywhere in this land), the phrase describes perfectly well Europe in the late 1800s and the first half of the 1900s ,when Europeans great and small, top to bottom, were drunk on imperialistic excess and its natural ally: overbeating nationalistic self-worship.
I am not praising India nor China, not Asia in general, Nor am I disparaging Europe and the West, which I see as, by a mile ahead, the greatest civilization ever to grace the earth.
I am, rather, lamenting the idiocy, which unfolded a century ago, that killed off Europe and the West's rulership of the world.
The world was, and would remain, better off under Western rule than under self-rule or Asian rule, because we Westerners are naturally more humane than any other civilizational group by far.
But now the world is doomed because the West is doomed. Our species' potential will never be achieved. We probably, today, occupy heights of accomplishment never to be exceeded in what remains of world history. We are at the peak of the world facing interminable decline.

>India is a shithole, both socially, culturally and politically.

>No amount of schizophrenic dribble is going to change that

>>520835203
What happened is I saw this post about a British WWII veteran lamenting that the war was a mistake. And surely he is correct, and good on him finally to see it.
Then I read the comments in the thread, many praising Germany as the real hero of the war who lost in the end in a tragic defeat.
But it was the entire way of thinking that predominated in Europe, held by the Allies and the Axis, and before them by the Allies and the Central Powers, which led to the West's destruction. Germany was no more a hero than Britain or Russia. All the belligerents were just vying for rulership of Europe on the false assumption, which they failed to examine, that Europe would forever remain the center of the world and, therefore, whoever ruled Europe would rule the world. This assumption was just taken as self-evident truth by the latter 1800s due to so many centuries of Europe's situation as master of the globe.
But failure to reckon with this assumption -- of invincible Europe, destined to rule forever -- and realize it was just an assumption and not the truth, is what truly enabled the World Wars that had the effect of dooming the West, because had Europe's mortality been common knowledge at the time, i.e. that the West is ultimately as mortal as any other civilization, in contrast with the picture of invincibility that had taken shape by that time, then I don't see how the peoples of Europe, or even Europe's ambitious and risk-taking leaders, would have gambled Europe's place as the center of the world by engaging in history two greatest wars.

The World Wars were the greatest foolishness of all time, based on arrogance and the idea that no matter how destructive each of the belligerents decided to be, nothing could strip Europe and the West of its place at the top.

>>520835687
Times change. I am talking in terms of centuries.
Yes, nothing can change India from being a very poor, dirty country overnight. That is obvious.
But check back in a generation, which will also be a generation of European and American decline.

>>520836187
How many more centuries do you need before you learn how to use a toilet?

>>520835687
Also, no country or civilization needs to match today's living standards in the West in order to assume the top spot in the world or to be one among several more or less equal powers in a multipolar world.
The future may well be one where the best the world has to offer anywhere is the living standard seen in Mexico today, which by world-historical standards is extremely high, as the world in general grows poorer, more dysfunctional, stupider, and overall less capable of major accomplishments.
Rome ruled the mightiest empire of its time with living standards that would be considered third world nowadays. I think the world's future will be like that.
The age of ever-growing wealth will peak and decline and then the world will be divided among, or ruled by one of, several major countries that are militarily and economically and culturally powerful but which have not regained the material heights achieved by the West in the early 21st century.

Look at Europe after Rome's collapse. Infrastructure to rival Rome's was not seen again until the 1800s and 1900s, some 1500 years later, and yet various countries still led the continent as the top powers.
Being the top power of the world, or one among several top powers of a multipolar world, does not imply that today's standard of living must accompany such status.

superpooper by 2030 sar

>>520837209
The response of a triggered person
What I did was analyze the causes, including the primary cause, of the West's downfall, which was the Two World Wars and the mindset that enabled and ensured them.
Then I noted how Asia is gaining relevance while the West declines.
None of this is unfactual nor even controversial to people who know much of anything about the situation of the world today.
Yet this observation sets off triggers in highly sensitive people who are bothered by these fact.
So rather than thinking of ways to slow or reverse Western decline, you just toss out some derisive remarks and think the matter is settled in your favor, meaning the almighty West will of course rule forever in opulence.
If this is all you are capable of when confronted with the truth, meaning you are incapable of taking a hard look at reality and then endeavoring to change the direction of things, then yes, the West is doomed, because even those who love it the most cannot be bothered to think to any degree of depth, not make any serious effort, to avert the terrible course we are on.
You don't save your country or civilization with insults. It's exactly the kind of thinking that led to the catastrophe of the World Wars.