Thread 520855909

why aren't you in the trades?

>>520855909 (OP)
Those wages are fake as fuck. Even in America.
>t. Carpenter

>>520855909 (OP)
>>520856020
>Includes benefits to deceive.

>>520855909 (OP)
Because if you look at the fine print at the bottom, you get paid peanuts in reality and a life time of pain.

>just pay the union goy

Why don’t you finish dying off and getting replaced with Chinese tin?

>>520856069
Including training into compensation.

>>520855909 (OP)
>san diego county
hmmmm

Here your american construction hombre

>>520855909 (OP)
it doesn't pay enough

>>520855909 (OP)
This is why we fight the gender pay gap
Cashiers and daycare workers should be pulling this kind of loot down

>low social status
>takes a toll on your body
>not enough pay to buy a house and pay it off and pivot out of trades before it ruins your body

tradies are coping about their jobs and place in society

>>520855909 (OP)
>California
>San Diego county

>>520855909 (OP)
Lmao...those wages are bullshit man hahaha.

I work a union trade job. I make 40$/hour. In our next union contract we will be getting a sizeable hike increase that'll probably being me up to 44$/hour. Not including shift premiums and good overtime incentives. After taxes I make close to 90,000$ without overtime. With Overtime I usually can hit 115,000-125,000$. If you grabbed 100 random Canadian males off the street right now in 20 different cities I would easily be the top 5% for good job and earnings. Really the only guys that may make more are Union workers from specific fields like

>Fully registered Nurses
>Ultrasound Specialists
>Police
>Firefighters
>Electricians and Powerline Workers
>Millwrights and Industrial Mechanics
>Diesel Mechanics

>>520855909 (OP)
130k as a labourer lmao I take it these are all union jobs? From what I understand union jobs are pretty cushy in the US, but how prevalent are they?

>>520855909 (OP)
I make the same amount of money doing an easy WFH job that I can do from anywhere in the world that has an internet connection, where I set my own hours, do as much or as little work as I want, have no bosses or office politics or HR retardation.

>>520856069

I'm a construction PM and make more than that chart in base salary. I also get 401k matching, a free HMO or PPO health insurance, yearly bonus, and company stock. Construction is pretty rad

>>520856819
Cushy yes
Prevalence is probably 35% Union 65% non union.

>>520856771
>40/hr
>post-tax take home is more than $90k without overtime
Yeah, your math definitely proves you're a tradie.

>>520856114
>and a life time of pain.
just take opioids at work duh

>>520855909 (OP)
wages are relative to the local living cost.
and you can bet your ass those carpenters couldn't afford the houses they are building.

>>520857092
No.

Imagine believing this chart is accurate.

>>520857116
They're including benefits, including legally mandated ones, into compensation.

>>520855909 (OP)
That is total bullshit for a carpenter, maybe if you run an entire carpenter company or something, my cousin had to quit it due to low wages and became a firefighter

all tradies are crooks
they can't get by on their wage alone

My hormonal makeup means that I can’t build muscle so physical labor is out the window for me and the government wont give me the testosterone I need because they said I can just do a desk job so its not medically necessary. Should just say I’m trans

>>520857001
You're forgetting my shift premium :). Also double time Sunday nights...every Sunday night. ;). Its not bse 40$. Nothing is ever base. You wouldn't know...you aren't union. God I love being union

>>520857390
>After taxes I make close to 90,000$ without overtime
>Also double time Sunday nights...every Sunday night.
Did you never learn how to lie as a child?

>>520855909 (OP)
What you earn more over other jobs you pay back in your health later in life.

>>520855909 (OP)

Dont be a fucking retard
look at the fine print

No one in any other job or career would include anything other than actual WAGES in the wages

fuck off cock sucker

the actual pay rate is half of what is stated, and that's for 10 yrs of experience

entry level wagies start at less than McDonalds burger flippers

and they have to work alongside low iq barbaric retards, and for bosses who give zero fucks about their health

the only tradies making $150k in actual net income (that is, before taxes) are the bosses

i had a roommate who was a carpenter. the dude ran his own company, had about 3 employees, and only had $70k saved, to his name, at age 45.

my last job in software engineering, I made $160k before taxes and was able to save 90k... in 1 year. 100% remote.

of course, then AI came out, and I got laid off in favor of indians... but luckily both of bubbles are starting to burst now (hopefully)

>>520857705

OH FUCK

AND.... ITS IN FUCKING CALIFORNIA
fuck you OP you fucking cock sucker for trying to misrepresent reality

>>520856921
how long did it take you to go from pittance to good wages?
how many hours do you work?
how much actual WORK do you do?
how much physical toll is involved? (standing/walking/lifting/lowering/bending/kneeling/injury risk)
how is the demand for work in your position and region? (is it seasonal)
what is your punishment for missing work or being out of work?

>>520855909 (OP)
Because these aren't the real wages, you start at $15 for most of these, except for welding but you don't want lung poisoning

>>520857390
$40 Canadian is about as much as I make delivering pizza with tips included. Trades are miserable slave work for nothing. And they make you work overtime. you get to work more. HOW AWESOME! all your money you make goes to fast food and cigarettes and alcohol because you don't have time to prepare healthy meals and you need to cope with physical pain and exhaustion. Totally a sweet deal if you ask me. This whole trades psyop is being pushed on us because quite literally all jobs that aren't labor and food service are about to be automated away. When there is a glut of tradesmen, The wages will dramatically decrease and your labor will be worth nothing again. Also its impossible for a white guy like me to get in anywhere here in California because I'm not an illegal Mexican. We need to demand more from our leaders and our civilization. We should be far past the need for hard work and struggling like this. The technology and wealth is there. They just aren't sharing it with us.

>>520855909 (OP)
In Canada you can slice that number in half based upon the taxes you pay so that's why.

>>520855909 (OP)
> why aren't you in the trades?

It’s a meme, no one is hiring. If you want the zoomers you plan on drafting to get hands on skills before the war breaks out, just tell them.

>>520855909 (OP)
Whoever calculated those hourly rates from all the other bullshit is absolutely Jewish.
>HEY GOYIM! WANT TO MAKE $70/HOUR? BECOME A CARPENTER FOR ME!
>WHY ARE YOU UPSET YOU'RE BEING PAID $20/HOUR? DON'T YOU KNOW YOU ALSO GET BENEFITS?

>>520858678
I mean do the math on it, assuming a standard 40 hour week and double time Sunday he's on 96000 pre tax. To get to 90000 post tax he's claiming his shift premiums will need to be $22500 a year.

>>520858678
> This whole trades psyop is being pushed on us because quite literally all jobs that aren't labor and food service are about to be automated away.

That’s part of it, but globohomo needs to get a meme “workin with your hands!” campaign going. It needs young men with machine and physical aptitude. One of the Russian strong points in the war has been their ability innovate with simple solutions on the battlefield. Think turtle tanks, road warrior motorcycles and tying field mice to FPV drones to defeat enemy thermal EW stuff.
Our population has largely lost a lot of that. Globohomo probably hopes they can get enough young men to learn that stuff on their own dime and time.

>>520855909 (OP)
In commiefornia that’s like $8/h purchasing power

>>520859062
We pay for your safety gear goy, that's $5000 a year!

>>520855909 (OP)
>>520856020
it's California lol, they're inflated because everything is 5x more expensive.

>>520859203
Unfortunately for the DOD, my generation is entirely fucked. I had to teach myself all these skills because almost none of us have fathers and if we do, they are incompetent and nobody knows how to do anything even things as simple as changing a tire.

Total package is around $100 an hour. $60 is base wage.

>>520855909 (OP)
I actually, audibly laughed out loud at the very first one. I can literally fucking make shit up too, watch:

McDonalds Hamburger engineer : $24.95
Horse Semen Collections Specialist: $44.25
Dog Fister: $127.50
Oven Handler: $14.88
Cum Sommelier: $27.35

Why are Millennials and Zoomers so lazy and shit and won't get this great jobs??????

>>520855909 (OP)
Youll never earn close to that unless you travel to big jobs.

>>520859684
These are higher up positions that take years to attain and that never really happens unless your family is in good at the company. you will be an apprentice forever.

>>520859724
>Dog Fister
People get paid for this? I've been doing it for free!

>>520856020
carpenter wages have gone up dramatically in the last couple of years. The actual hourly rate you can expect is somewhere between $35 and $50 for most union jobs.

>>520855909 (OP)
cut it in half because of the benefits
now take out the union dues
and they are making closer to $20-$25 an hour, taken home, 1000 a week, which is Walmart tier
now add in the hour travel to to and from work
working outside hot and cold
dirty jobsite that are unhealthily
factor in the overtime they are forced to work
and the wear and tear on your body

>>520859887
5 year apprenticeship

>>520859906
And unionized workshops are how prevelant compared to non?

>>520859976
waste of 5 years.

>>520860049
only in and around blue cities full of niggers
red states are all right to work anti-union

>>520859887
this honestly. unless you can travel to remote shithole places, a 4 year apprenticeship will typically take you 6-7 years because you are constantly getting laid off.

>>520858111
Ive been doing it for 21 years now. Ive been making more than that chart for at least 5 years though. I have a BS in civil engineering and started working for a general contractor during survey. From there I transitioned into the office. I work 9 hours a day but I take an hour lunch. I dont ever have to lift a hammer. Im the main boss of the site and primarily deal with money contracts and cashflow while managing the others working schedule, quality control and documentation. Im in a warm climate with no snow so its year round. I worked at my last company over a decade and Ill probably retire with this one. I dont really get punished per say but generally late projects mean we pay the owner liquidated damages every day we miss substantial completion but I have never had to pay those and dont plan on ever having too. The worst part of the job is you may get a project thats far from home or a crappy commute. Ive been sent out of state for 6 month stints but they paid for an apartment and once I had kids they kept me near home.

>>520855909 (OP)
I know a welder of many years who makes nowhere near. I'm a NEET and refuse to be bullshited. I'm not paying for school, I'm not studying a fucking trade. If I spent even 6 months in a trade course to only be paid in the realm of 20s, or even low 30s as a 1099, I might actually have a psychotic break. It's all bullshit. The average is the average for a reason.

>>520860117
you get scaled pay while being and apprentice
but you will be abused in that time making you do more work than the journeymen do for less pay

>>520855909 (OP)
>teleports behind u
>hires nonunion Mexican labor for half of that
>"Heh, nothing personnel bro"

>>520859955
Try 4-6 hour round trip travel for job sites. And you'll need to be driving a gas guzzling truck to haul all your tools, so you're already burning through 20% of your salary in gas alone.

Basic bitch tradesmen aren't making that, if you're going to get into the trades specialize as soon as possible. Don't settle for residential work do something else.

>>520860049
never worked non union but there is good and bad that comes with it. you never get disrespected from bosses because they have a code of conduct they are required to follow that are outlined in the CBA and your job is basically protected. the bad is that you get laid off a lot, you are expected to take jobs that are an hour drive from your house.

>>520860320
yes.
that depends on if you want to live in the blue city or not
since all unions are in major blue cities

>>520855909 (OP)
I don't want to support this country until they close the borders and deport all of the nonwhites.

>>520860289
yeah i was a union apprentice painter. I never even painted. I just taped, carried buckets and cleaned machines. I was exhausted every day and i made shit and still had to pay dues. Total scam. Journeyman would drink and drive me to job sites hours away because they were all alcoholics and felons. All Mexican they would treat me like shit. It's just slave work.

>>520860385
>never worked non union
According to stats online 90% of carpenters in the US aren't unionized.

>>520860431
based, im not breaking my back to keep the power and heat on for immigrants and refugees.

>>520860619
private union market share on the US is only about 8%
unless you live in or near a big blue city full of niggers, you're not getting a union job

92% of tradesmen are non-union
unless you live in a blue shit hell hole

>>520856921
Because you’re a PM you fucking retard. You’re not actually working with your hands

>>520855909 (OP)
1bptid
You faggots will literally argue about anything even if it's obviously fake and gay

>>520855909 (OP)
>another trades thread
those wages are fake and gay
you have almost no real OSHA
you're almost guaranteed to be unemployed after 40
you're guaranteed to hate your life after ruining your health for the rest of your life
there is no work-life balance
you will work overtime and for free
there is NO stable income
a fast food worker will get a better loan than you
almost everyone will fuck you over
you work with subhumans
nobody cares about doing a decent job, nobody checks
your boss, inspectors, public institutions, they will walk over you
did i mention you work with subhumans? i mean losers that couldn't get in prison, couldn't become cops, couldn't write cursive, 80% foreigners, 19% degenerates
>t. electrician, worked in London for a big corporation, only b2b projects

>>520860834
My old job was a union job. They fucked me over real bad, workers sided with me but the union and managment were sucking each other off so no complaints were filed and the passive aggressive bullshit added up after the years. The point is working for someone other than yourself is fucked and always a risk to yourself.

>>520860157
sick, ty for sharing anon. good to learn about these different paths. sadly i chose a different path, i am jelly of you.

>>520855909 (OP)
Mainly I hate having to work around spics. They are racist and act like Jews. Speaking Yiddish so others don't understand, conniving, untrustworthy, they also only get big balls when they have their boyfriends to back them up. Absolute cattle animals, there is not construction site in 400miles that doesn't have spics. I just do random jobs for friends and family, under the table. Fuck you faggot jews, choke on my balls tax free faggot

>>520855909 (OP)
Unless you got a family member in the union you start off at the bottom of the ladder making slave wages for 80 hours a week for 10 years.

>>520855909 (OP)
yeah nah if u want me to do hard labor 5 days a week for 8 hours its gonna have to be like 200 an hour
t. zoomer

jew bosses want you to do the work of 4 people

its not worth it

>>520855909 (OP)
Because I net more than that while sitting at home all day

>>520855909 (OP)
In Canada plumbing is extremely low paid. I earn more working part time at a car wash.

>>520855909 (OP)
Key word
>PREVAILING WAGE
That means it's some scum fuck union milking the taxpayer on state projects

>>520856069
And leaves benefits out of the construction manager's rate. They also ignore apprentice wages which are what you start at and takehome is dogshit, plus you're first to get sent home until you're a journeyman. I'm not in CA anymore so I have a narrow reference, but the one tradie I know there is sheet metal working for the city of SF and with overtime his annual pretax takehome is about $150k

>>520855909 (OP)
>total hourly includes things that arent actual money in hand
oof

>>520855909 (OP)
Because I make considerably more than any of those retards, work less, work from home and just talk to people all day.

>>520855909 (OP)
slave labor migrants will doing the job for 1/2 of the wage

>>520860316
/thread

>>520856160
read it again
SD "Country"

>>520862225
Not even I was a concrete pumper then got a on with a union pumping outfit and clear 100k/yr in a LCOL area don't even know what to do with this much cash honestly

I think truck driver is the better choice, maybe save up to become an owner operator and just work for yourself

>>520856271
Imagine the fucking offgassing. Guaranteed ,multiple cancers in 10 years.

I make 177k+ per month. I am at peak earnings as a patent trial lawyer. I don't sleep well consistently but will retire as a tens of millionaire in my 50's. Nothing is broken or arthritic. Thank God I graduated a top engineering school. Eff blue collar life, I grew up blue collar and swore never to be that low again.

>>520866519
Not guaranteed because that would be too obvious. Small chance of horrible death at half your lifespan. You'll take one for the team won't you? If it happens? To help save the planet?

>>520856020
Read the fine print. They're inflated by about 30% because they include healthcare, PTO, sick leave, etc.

I earn more than those inflated wages as an engineer, not counting my other benefits.

>>520855909 (OP)
I am and I make a shit load of money and I am to tired to spend any of it so I have even more money.

>>520861953
Bro he is full of shit, PM you will be working 50 hours every week, incredible stress, and every company is run by kids who inherited or boomers
>t pm for 15 years before leaving construction

>>520855909 (OP)
I dont want to work 60 hour weeks

>>520856771
I used to hate on unions like a good Republican family did when I was young but now that i'm older it seems unions are the only thing even remotely helping workers. Unions could also be corrupt as fuck but hell at least i'm getting something from it. My whole view on unions has basically changed. More power to them.

>>520866803
>will retire as a tens of millionaire in my 50's
like 1/10th of a millionaire
100k?

>>520855909 (OP)
>yes white man, go back doing labour to sustain the system while women are making double that dancing to tiktoks in the offices
>captcha: vaj8h
vagina h8

>>520856069
>includes pension
that should be criminal to put in any sort of compensation statement. especially since only upper mgmt sticks for more than a few years
>we promise we'll pay you again in like 20 years

>>520855909 (OP)
that * says it all
>includes health & welfare, pension, vacation & holiday pay, training and other payments

Sneaky fucking kikes

Damn I make $80,000 sitting behind a computer in the Midwest. Why would I want to work outside

>>520856020
mine is $85/hr

chug my tradie balls nigger

>>520856020

Yeah, its real but you gotta work 30 hours OT each week. It's totally do-able to achieve. My buddy does all the coolers, etc in restaurants and pulls 120k ezpz.

>>520870842
mine does NOT include that. it's my paycheck rate that is taxed for paying for welfare checks to brown illegals

>>520870002
my favorite part about being a journeyman is sabotaging pajeets "engineers" that try and scam me into doing their job for them

they think they are clever being their typical shitter selves, they they realize we are playing them to get them shitcanned

>>520855909 (OP)
They forgot a few parts
>will have to work with spics and convicts and junkies/alcoholics
>will be treated like shit by gatekeeping boomers for years before you earn real money
>will have to travel for days or weeks at a time
>will destroy your body by 45
>will constantly be undercut by spics
No thanks, I'll keep NEETing

>>520855909 (OP)
>why not?
My back and knees hurt, and so do my elbows and feet. I take care of dogs instead. About to watch Max Headroom

You don't make that much money. I know a painter and he had 18$ an hour. I make more at my McJob than him

Looks like bullshit and after reading the fine print it is bullshit. I make 250k with their logic.

Trades do make more than people expect, but not that much.

>>520855909 (OP)
Dont mind that these people earn a lot of money, they are at least useful unlike some email answerers in NYC with a useless degree.

>>520855909 (OP)
>implying companies don't lie about their pay

Also that's contract work, if there's no contracts you don't work. Shit isn't being built all the time, or in the same place. If there's building going on way far away, guess where you have to go to work that contract?

>>520871344
yes those wages are correct for prevailing wage union shops, not some scumbag hiring illegals and pocketing the difference.

>>520871269
>man, we sure are enraging the jews…
>by giving up on having children
>and accepting IR relationships!
>they’re not scared of you overthrowing them
>they’re scared of you buying Pizza Hut and Mountain Dew!

still one of the funniest memes i’ve seen here. i give jews their props for coming up with some of the most demented logic all-time.

>>520871496
Problem is unions are fucking difficult to get into. I tried for years and couldn't. Even being clean,white and with a degree and did landscaping prior.

>>520855909 (OP)
This is Jew misinformation to manipulate Whites into not going into positions of wealth and power.

>>520871701
Are they trying to goymaxx us?

>>520871611
yes, this is notoriously true. and a wink wink nudge nudge reference wont help unless you are in the upper side of the union politics

ive seen some real egregious shit, but that's politics as usual

>>520864601
Also
>San Diego County
Even in outlying areas, what's a 1,500sqft home there, $1.3M or something absurd?
>just commute 2.5 hours each way to the jobsite from some ugly desert

>>520855909 (OP)
I have watched hundreds of woodworking videos on youtube. most of the big youtubers break down their hourly 'wage'. most end up around 20-30 dollars an hour, and youtube is the only way they can be highly profitable. you'd have to own a large specialty shop like a cabinetmaker shop in a fairly affluent area to make anything close to what the OP picture shows.

>>520856020
No, those numbers look right. I make $50/hour just doing odd jobs on the construction site.

>>520871809
yeah, in the "HUSTLE N BUSTLE BARCADE BRO" parts. why tf would you even compare that kinda place to somewhere you'd want to live, especially if you were an actual tradesman

>>520855909 (OP)
And I have seen a journeyman electrician to master electrician job advertised (they would only accept at least a journeyman, and stated a preference for a master in the ad) for a pay rate of $22 per hour just two years ago. This was in West Virginia, where, despite the crushing poverty of the state (poorest in the country save, perhaps, Mississippi), $22 per hour is still a working poor wage if you are trying to support anyone beyond just yourself, and where even if you are only providing for yourself, will not enable you to get ahead.

The tradesman pay chart you show in the OP is likely from a place like NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston, or some other megacity with some amount of organized labor history that still has halfway decent unions at least for some lines of work.
I guarantee you no carpenter or plumber in Central Appalachia, consisting of southwestern Pennsylvania, West Virginia, the western panhandle of Maryland, southeastern Ohio, eastern Kentucky, and that jut off of Virginia that slips under West Virginia's southern border in the far reaches of Virginia is making $70 per hour as your chart claims is standard or something to expect.
They are lucky to make $30 per hour, unless they are a coal mine mechanic or electrician working underground where the pay rate rises to $40 per hour, but most of those jobs have closed as most of the mines have closed down since circa 2010.

>>520871818
It’s hard to sell a table for 5k.

>>520872128
>master electrician
this bunk non union rat shop title shit doesn't exist in any place I've ever seen.

also i work in a metro area and my pay is much higher than all that without including benefits. bit i am also among the highest paid tradesmen in the usa, given my locality and profession

>>520872128
Who would work as a tradie for 25-30 an hour? The fucking post office pays 60k a year

>>520872128
And I do not intend to deter people from getting into the trades. If you are so inclined and were raised with some decent level of mechanical knowledge or know-how with regard to using tools (I have found that virtually every truly competent tradesmen grew up regularly around a handy father or uncle etc. who frequently taught the kid what he knew), then by all means enter a trade.
Just do not delude yourself that being a tradesman will be a path to wealth unless you end up becoming a businessman like the owner of a plumbing outfit, at which point you are less a tradesman any longer and more of an entrepreneur handling business contracts and client relations and a workforce and a payroll and a budget etc. But all the same, most tradesmen will never be small business owners of their own small handy company focusing on some service based on the skillset they know, since more workers are always needed than there is a need for owners and therefore there must always be more employees than owners.
Finally, $70 per hour in a place like NYC, Boston, DC, San Francisco etc. is not even a very good wage. Yes, you will survive, but with a mortgage starting at $4000 per month for a small house, or a monthly rent starting at $3000 per month for an economy apartment, then even on $70 per hour you are not getting ahead unless you work a good amount of overtime, and your ability to save and pack away funds and built a nest egg and possibly to invest will depend on the availability of overtime and your inclination to take it, which luckily, however, most trade jobs offer quite generously, often even expecting 70 hour work weeks as normal.

>>520872226
the most profitable things were cutting boards, coasters, and gay wall affirmations

I make ~200k WFH as a software engineer. I play video games most days.

>>520855909 (OP)
>Shows lies
>Shows Canada lies
>Shows Canada lies in Canada money
KYS scumbag. Scum like you should kill yourselves.

>>520855909 (OP)
>san diego county
Lol
Post average gas price
I did get laid there easy

OP is a liar. Complete bullshit!
herbed and go fuck yourself

>>520872307
The USPS does not pay $60k per year. That pay scale is only reserve for regular hires, not the casuals or whatever they call them nowadays after the recent name change (they are permatemps) who comprise most of the USPS workforce,
The permatemps, whom I have seen work as temps for years without getting hired on, even being good workers and always having the promise of regular hire dangled in front of their nose like the proverbial carrot before the mule that keep him pulling forward, make, as of the last time I heard from an acquaintance who was one and had been one for several years, around $18 per hour and without benefits (or at least any affordable or usable benefits, like only catastrophic health insurance policies for sale to them from the USPS).
The USPS used to hire for regulars, but not much since the 1990s, and even then the regular slots were reserved virtually exclusively for veterans, just as the few remaining opportunities for regular hire today (which are very, very few) are still reserved for veterans of the US military.
The Postal Service has, in fact, in recent generations, primarily functioned as a jobs program for veterans, offering unskilled veterans a basic middle class life in return for their service. But under the weight of constant attacks on the USPS, like the law enacted some decade and a half ago that the USPS must fully fund its retirement benefits for 75 years into the future each fiscal year, the Postal Service's role as a jobs program for veterans with few if any useful skills has mostly dried up. Hence also the almost exclusive use of permatemps nowadays as well, since the US cannot afford to offer a retirement package to nearly any new hire due to having to fund all retirement promises 75 years in advance.
Of course that law was enacted to damage the USPS under lobbying pressure from the Postal Service's competitors, FedEx and USPS.

>>520873211
It's more than that, it's Boomers pulling the ladder up behind them as they screw the younger generation.
That's the running theme, and it isn't limited to USPS, but everywhere, including tradies, white collar, everything.

>>520873211
The usps does pay that much. It goes like this, you work as a cca/pse making 21 an hour. They have to convert you in so many years. I think it’s 3 is the max and most get converted by 2. Then you start at circled area if you live in a town with more then 20k. Every 8 months you move up to the next level. Until you max out at the yellow. They made it was worse. It use to be you start at the yellow and it took like 3 years to max out.

While the job is way worse it still does pay a semi decent life

>>520873211
Btw what you are thinking about is called an rca which is true. That position can be years of working part time. You are hired to cover days off and you only get promoted when someone retires. I would say it’s like 20 percent of the usps workforce. The rest have limits to how long you can be in the shit position

>>520873520
> it's Boomers pulling the ladder up behind them as they screw the younger generation.

Boomers went along with that due to being subjected to decades of jew media programming from birth though. If you’re constantly taught individualism and that you and everyone with anything did it all with their bare hands, selling the economy off and smiling while a debt driven economy pays you out is easy. Everyone around them was doing it, most honestly thought it was what some fantastic, advanced economy needed to do.
The boomers are awful, sure. But you should have met those Greatest Generation types. jews really did a number on their heads, sucking them off in the post war years. They thought of themselves as a gift to humanity.

>>520873969
And how many of the permatemps, whatever they are called today (they used to be called casuals), get three years of straight work with the USPS so they can, per the rules, be converted to regulars? I know in the recent past those permatemp positions had to be renewed every six months, and many times, as a permatemp approached a few years, like closing in on the necessary conversion time, their contract was not renewed despite a very reliable work history.
This pattern repeated with my younger brother from the mid 2000s until the late 2010s, so about fifteen years, at which point her gave up the Post Office after becoming so disillusioned by their endless lies that he actually considered, just in private to me, literally going postal on a few superiors who had fucked him around egregiously. Those people of course don't know it, but they are fortunate not to be six feet underground today,
So my brother, after his Kafkaesque experience with the USPS, got on disability and supplements that meager income with some black market activity and has become a much happier person with a new baby daughter whom he cherishes beyond anything in the universe.
And I am sure his baby girl is better off for him giving up on the USPS, because that place, even at its best, was a den of misery and he is a much more satisfied person today with a good marriage and now a child to devote his life to,

>>520874176
The ones I knew were not part time, but worked full time hours with the mandatory overtime included, such that they'd frequently work 84 hours per week during the holidays,
The difference is they were not regulars, not that they were "part time,"

>>520855909 (OP)
>why aren't you in the trades?
I deliberately became a loser neet so that women have one less good man available on the dating market. I wasted away all my potential for the sole purpose of becoming a burden on wagies finances and women's need for emotional intimacy and a steady provider.
No one exploits my time and energy, that is solely reserved for shitposting and substance abuse.
If you haven't taken the neetpill, you don't understand game theory.

>>520874586
The vast majority either quit because they get burned out or they realize the job fucking sucks. You will work 60+ hours for 2 years straight making 20ish an hour. It’s not that they don’t get rehired, they quit.

I just started doing door dash. I love working whenever I want.

>>520855909 (OP)
I'm so fucking tired of this shilling of manual labour. Fucking normies are literally proud of the work slaves did in every human civilization since the dawn of history. Thanks democracy!

>>520855909 (OP)
>California
$150k is lower-middle class.

>>520874771
none of this makes any difference. you're not just expendable, you're redundant.

>>520856138
shut the fuck up you tranny faggot

>>520857372
why are you such a fucking faggot?

>>520855909 (OP)
>laborer
>$62
Thought it was totally impossible but then I noticed it's in San Diego so it's not impossible, just worthless

>>520855909 (OP)
im 25 and i make 161k fixing city traffic cameras. i have a history degree. they trained me on everything. im a wagie and work 40 hours a week, 3.3k a week with 401k. no union, no mandatory OT. hardest part is using an aerial lift. niggas lazy thats why. i am in california but im single living alone life is good.

>>520855909 (OP)
>trades?
Learning mechanical skills is the easiest way to make sure you never go hungry. Skilled mechanical labor is ALWAYS needed. Also forget the hourly wage bullshit, high competency will allow you to start your own business and charge the market rate for what your skills are ACTUALLY worth (in a union you are only worth what the seniority scale says you are worth).

My biggest regret was getting a degree in Computer Networking and starting out in entry level corporate IT. If I could do it all again I would have just gotten a job at an auto mechanic, learned the ropes, moved on to a German car dealership until I had saved up enough cash to just flip German cars with blown engines.

I wasted 20yrs of grinding corporate BS to afford a new BMW every 3-4yrs, only to be replaced by shit jeets and women that are willing to do the same work half as good for 1/4 of the pay. Literally just rebuilding BMW/Mercedes-Benz/Audi/Porsche engines all day and flipping cars would have been the smart choice.

I was stupid and chased a career I thought would pay six figures (and it did for quite a few years) and be future proof instead of just doing what I enjoyed. Dont make the same mistake I did.

Fake chart

>>520855909 (OP)
theyre showing the very top union wages for someone who has like 20 years experience lol

>>520855909 (OP)
Union electricians getting fucked

>>520875736
I don’t know, I see people who are flipping cars on Facebook marketplace and while profitable it’s hard. People don’t buy used cars anymore because they are expensive. I mean third party without financing. If they are buying it it’s gonna be under 10k. You buy some truck for 3, put in 3k, you sell it for 8500. I think this is a grass is greener situation

>why aren't you in the trades?
One word: "BASEDIFICATION".

Mutts have been sissified like the Koreans were, and no longer regard actual work as a respectable pursuit as such. Thus, shying away from working with the hands and, thereby, forcing mass immigration of turdie "skilled workers" to fill the gape wounds it's left weeping.

>all Korean construction is done by SEA and Nepalese workers

>>520855909 (OP)
every trade is a mafia. if you arent related to someone you will not get hired. and its illegal for you to work without all the gay tickets and certifications

>>520855909 (OP)
>hourly rates
Are those the rates the worker actually gets or are those rates the boss sells to customers?

Hourly rates range vom 13€ to 18€ im germany (slightly more depending on qualifications)

>>520875736
i know how to do alot of mechanical work and compared to cost of living it pays fuck all. turns boomers were wrong and most young dudes know how to fix shit nowadays. every valuable mechanical skill is gatekept by certificates or red seals. starting a business is non-trivial in major population centers. sure you can run some shade tree car repair in the middle of buttfuck midwest out of your shed but anywhere big requires significant capital and then youre facing massive competition.

people glaze trades way too much. it pays like shit, its flooded with people now because people are desperate and theres not a ton of work. theres only a ton of work in bullshit noone wants to do for pennies which is why its propagandized so hard

>>520855909 (OP)
you still can't even buy a fucking house with those wages
who gives a fuck anymore