Thread 521129741

Ummm non-believer bros? Our response?

>>521129996
It’s just a natural place to rest the hands. People do it all the time
https://sarabarrett1219.medium.com/the-crotch-clasp-pose-a-global-ritual-of-male-insecurity-f4a94b31c9ec

doesn't prove god exists at all
are you telling me that the BEST evidence you can come up with is a shitty piece of fabric with a man shaped stain on it?
really?
like, you can say that with a straight face?
your supreme, omnipotent, omniscient deity that supposedly made the entire world and the best evidence is this?

>>521130377
They supposedly also have his forskin.

The Shroud of Turin: Detailed Analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZRfUkw2VU

>>521130377
The whole point is to have faith, not believe based on proof. This is nothing more than a wink at the world that the people with hardened hearts will still refuse to see.
It’s not just a “stain” by the way, read about it
https://grokipedia.com/page/Shroud_of_Turin
It’s a completely inexplicable chemical residue.

>>521130377
What is your proof that God doesn't exist ?

>>521130377
Prove that God exists? My guy that's literally just a picture of Jesus

>>521130548
Where is the proof that God does exist?

>>521130651
You have one, now show me yours.

>>521130540
>faith
which one?
there are lots to pick from
why is yours the correct one?
were you born into it?
had you explored other faiths as fervently as you sought christianity?
and which denomination of christianity did you pick over the others and why is that the correct one?
faith, by its very definition, is foolish
its the fucking Aurora Borealis in your kitchen that you won't show because its entirely manmade

>>521130613
no its it's clearly Elvis you just need faith

>>521130540
>not based on proof
Ok but then I don’t want you or anyone that believes that to be in charge of anything. Not focusing on what will happen and instead going “god works in mysterious ways” is sure to lead to corruption and strife. There isnt a little bubble anymore, the world in connected and we need practical leaders, not people who believe in woo.

>>521130540
>Just have faith that our dead kike was totally God and you should suck jewish cock for Israel

>>521130684
>>521130897
So you guys believe in emptyness without proof.
You should think about it, seriously.

>>521130548
It is on you to come up with a tangible way to measure anything god. A god influence level, a prayer level, a Holy Ghost meter, whatever it is. You can’t measure it? Doesn’t exist yet. We can measure things that can’t be detected like radiation by connecting tangible results and using science to understand what is happening at the atomic level. When you can do so for god (which you won’t) then you’ll have an argument.
>inb4 fedora tipping
No, this is literally the same standard we apply to everything else in the world. You have to prove it’s god, not allah, not Santa, not leprechauns, god of the Bible definitively. Sorry you don’t like to live in an evidence based world based on measuring cause and effect, not my problem, you shouldn’t be leading anything.

>Finds a really old sandal near ancient Israel

This is a sandal. Jesus wore sandals. Ergo this is the sandal of Jesus.

This proves beyond reasonable doubt that a 600 year old man built the largest wooden ship ever made with primitive tools.

>>521130751
>why is yours the correct one?
You evaluate it. I was an atheist my entire twenties using all the same arguments you are. What I first realized was that Christianity, specifically Catholicism, has the best moral system the world has ever produced, and is right about everything. Every ill the world has currently, the Bible and the Catechism has an answer for. I was still an atheist and simply conceded that ok, so out of thousands of religions one finally developed a lot of the correct ideas about how to live; that doesn’t mean the Gospel is true. But because I was willing to be proven wrong, I prayed very skeptically for the Holy Spirit to lead me to the truth if there was one, and it did. That’s a journey you’ll have to be willing to go on, right now you’re still in the Prove Me Wrong debatebro stage and missing the bigger picture.
One thing I will say, when I was an atheist I had the point of view that the universe was probably inexplicable, and we’re like ants on anthill who think we know anything when we couldn’t even begin to comprehend the fact that we’re on a planet, let alone in a solar system etc. So one day I had to be honest with myself and say, assuming that’s true, I should probably stop telling myself I’m “too rational” to believe in Jesus and his miracles, because if there is a God he would indeed probably be beyond our comprehension, and it shouldn’t be too surprising that when we encounter him be breaks the rules. That could be a good starting place for you to consider.

>>521131031
If you can reproduce the Turin shroud with modern technology you will have a proof God doesn't exist.
I don't care about your feelings but facts.

>>521129741 (OP)
>Recent advancements in digital sculpting and forensic facial reconstruction have yielded compelling evidence suggesting the Turin Shroud image isn’t a direct photographic negative of a crucified man, but rather a sophisticated artistic creation.A detailed 3D sculpture, meticulously modeled based on the Shroud’s image, reveals inconsistencies with known trauma patterns associated with Roman crucifixion.This sculpture, created by a team of forensic artists and imaging specialists, highlights the likelihood of deliberate artistic choices in the Shroud’s depiction.

tldr its fake, it is made up.

>>521129741 (OP)
Looks like a cloth they wrapped some dead guy in; which has been a pretty common practice in many places for thousands of years.

Does hair usually pop up on scans like this? He looks well groomed for a dude who was tortured to death

>>521131140
use sentence structure and I might read that wall of drivel

>>521129741 (OP)
That shroud doesn't mean it's Jesus though.

>>521131295
It matches the description from the Gospel and has recently been dated to between 40 BC and 50 AD. Why wouldn’t it be? Some other rando got crucified with a crown of thorns?

cumrag of turin
just another fake magical artifact
like ancient cosplay items of their favorite jewish anime

It's from the 1200s. It's just some random dude

>>521131458
No it isn’t. That was a date taken from a part of the Shroud that has since been determined to have been corrupted by repairs. The new estimated date is around Jesus’ lifetime.
It’s always been shaky to estimate regardless, the cloth is loaded with too much history

>>521129741 (OP)
Response to what?

>>521131391
>it's fake
Even Israeli scientist couldn't disprove it. They were conviced they could but turns out they can't.

>>521130548
Proof is that communities are made and destroyed by the hand of man, not by some made up delusional being. If i shoot you, you die, if i fuck your mom, i'm a dad. God is a made up concept created by con-men to manipulate the lives and steal from retards like you.
I'm all for stealing from the retards so that clever people can put the wealth to good use, but the fact that pisses me off is that retards like you believe that you are better than everyone else because you have unwaivering faith in something that is clearly made up. A perfect relationship of mind control and the want to be controlled. That's how cults are made and religions all started as cults.
The only difference between a cult and religion is the number of followers.
Tldr retards who unwaiveringly believe in made up things will believe in anything and always will, so it's easy to use and abuse them

>>521129741 (OP)
Having a Jewish slave OS in your head prevents you from being a defender of europeans

>>521131704
>all that kvetch
it's ok, you'll get it one day
I will pray that you do

>>521131704
I don't belive Iam better than everyone. Far from it, I believe we are lost like we were lost at the fall of Rome.
I believe we will regain our faith and our comon sens in the nearby future.
We will or we will go extinct, we don't have 36 solutions.

>>521129741 (OP)
To what? Some fake "relic"? Do you also get amazed by weeping icons?

>>521131680
>(((Israeli scientist)))
im sure they are simply flabbergasted and unable to disprove their favorite goyim slave system

>>521131293
The text is pretty clear
maybe (your) reading comprehension is inadequate

>>521130748
Kek

>>521131994
They hate Jesus Christ more than anything. You think it is a game, it's not. As we speak our governement is erasing cross all arround the country. You don't hear about it on /pol/ because this place is deeply compromised.

>>521129741 (OP)
It’s probably not Jesus. If he was only dead for three days, how did he leave this much of an imprint on a shroud?

>>521130897
You’re confusing the heretical dispensationalism of evangelical Protestants with real Christianity which identifies Jews as the enemy explicitly. It was Jews that Jesus was fighting with in his own time, Jews that crucified him, and Jews that the Bible identifies as the synagogue of Satan. There is no religion more radically anti-Jewish than Christianity. In fact it’s literally the whole point.
Jews subvert Christian countries because they are consciously going after Christians, and dipshits like you think it’s random and you’ll oppose Jews by hating Jesus just like them. Their head is in the game, yours isn’t.

>>521129741 (OP)
>Atheist
>Can't think for themselves
Many such cases

>>521132122
The stain isn’t from his blood, there’s blood in it but it’s an inexplicable chemical residue like oxidation. The unironic best theory is that it’s from when he ressurrected, his body seems to have produced some kind of powerful light.

>>521132041
care to summarize it then?

>>521132113
>they fell for the kayfabe
you fucking mark

>>521130377

You turds are such insufferable pricks.

>>521132295
What if it’s his cum? Like the shroud was his jizz rag.

>>521132417
Apologize. Now.

>>521130748

heh

Pretty good

>>521131994

Getting tired of you retards uttering shit that makes atheism look irrational. The Bible is by far the most aggressive piece of literature I have ever read concerning its critique of religion. The gospel ontologically contradicts the necessity of religion to such a degree that God condemned all of it by means of grace.

By this very logic, to suggest that kikes hijacking something God didn’t even ask for is proof that God isn’t real, is really fucking retarded. Passive faith in what Jesus did at the cross, isn’t religion nor does it require it. That is precisely what the book is asking for. Do they just say “god bad mkay?” At university now? For fuck sake.

When I read it the second time a theology student pointed out to me in study that Jesus consistently argued with priests the most. Cross referenced with what Paul states, it’s quite clear it’s not reformed Judaism, or a religion at all. You’ll find yourself unironically agreeing with Jesus about religion several times.

Do try to actually retort the book rather than spouting benign faggotry.

>>521130951
I just don't believe in a Jewish god. That's all

>>521132402
maybe your god will strike me down if you pray hard enough

>>521130377
My proof comes from contact with the Holy Spirit, not external facts

>>521131031

You're young and are overwhelmed by reality. In fact you're so terrified of it your developing mind can't grasp the truth of it which is that you must die to finally appreciate it.

But it isn't necessary for you to die. You can appreciate it now if you could quiet your mind long enough to genuinely contemplate you are going to die.

>>521132500
>hey chatgpt, make me sound like the biggest, arrogant, appealing to authority, argumentative homosexual possible

>>521132573
may we see this holy spirit?
>No.
you know there's plenty of other people who hear voices too
I miss the days when they didn't have internet access

>>521130274
slavs are used to dying in trenches

>>521132571

Mate

It's in the post.

>>521132766
Nobody hears a voice, stop being childish.

And he’s not mine to give. If you really want him, you know who to ask

>>521132694

I’d ask it to be a retard, but I don’t want to plagiarize you.

>>521129741 (OP)
that looks like steve

>>521131680
> Most historians and scientists has proven that it's a medieval artifact, likely a relic created in the 13th or 14th century.
- Some researchers and religious believers argue it could be older, even genuine, based on (((alternative analyses))). - Heavily criticized
- No direct historical link ties it to Jesus or 1st-century Judea.
- The image’s origin remains unexplained, though forgery or artistic creation remains the leading hypothesis.

> Contaminated Sample Theory (Raymond Rogers)
- Claim: Carbon-dated sample came from a repaired section.
- Flaws: Small sample size, speculative "invisible reweaving," less reliable dating method (vanillin loss).

> Pollen Evidence (Max Frei)
- Claim: Middle Eastern pollen = origin near Jerusalem.
- Flaws: Poor collection technique, high contamination risk, unverifiable identification.

> Textile Weave Analysis
- Claim: Herringbone weave suggests 1st-century Middle East.
- Flaws: That weave existed in medieval Europe; doesn't match typical Jewish burial cloths.

> Image Formation Theories (e.g., radiation, heat, flash of light)
- Claim: Image couldn’t be medieval; perhaps miraculous.
- Flaws: Largely speculative or untestable; modern methods can mimic similar effects.

> the most scientifically robust evidence placing the Shroud in the 13th–14th century.

>>521132932
Wasn’t this crap proven to be a retest from a section that had been repaired and obviously the textile scientists knew what part of the cloth had been repaired looking at it under a mag glass? Didn’t this JUST happen less than a year ago? Pretty sure it did, because it was all over YouTube, and yes, it was spammed relentlessly on /pol/

>>521132932
>modern methods can mimic similar effects.
I’m not even going to take the time to go through this whole post which is similarly full of half-truths and intentionally outdated information, but let this example serve for the rest. It cannot and has not ever been mimicked. There have been attempts that can create somewhat similar effects under strenuous efforts my modern technology, but they can’t duplicate the whole effect and can’t understand how it was created.

>>521132310
I don't work for jews

>>521132767
goreleaf? that you?

>>521132767
Ok api

>>521131391
Jesus didn't die for your sins either. Otherwise you could sin and still enter Heaven. If you have to follow the same rules you did before the "sacrifice," then the "sacrifice" accomplished nothing.

>>521133074
christians will spamm anything, they even believe in nordic israelism.
wouldnt even surprise me if they kept worshiping it if it was proven to be the results of some guy who had been pissing on a rag to make it look like a person.

>>521133162
Nobody entered heaven before Jesus’s sacrifice. The sacrifice enabled us to have the choice to be saved. Before that there was no choice.

>>521133162
>not under law

Means merit has nothing to do with it. The book was conveying grace the entire time but people are always tempted to view God as a legalistic robot where you have to prove your worth which is really just gassing up narcissism if you pay attention to the Pharisee, which is why they crucify Jesus really.

>>521133050
>u lost tranny
delicious tears mmm

>>521133187
Yeah but you didn’t really respond to what I just said. The fabric used for the text was deliberately taken from a part of the shroud that had been clearly repaired. Which was back in the 14th century. Implying the shroud is actually older than that.

Basically everything avout it seems like bullshit but they can't recreate it the same way so therefor its actually a picture of jesus even though its not even anatomically correct

>>521133435
It’s anatomically correct. If you’re referring to his arms being longer than usual, it’s because his shoulders were dislocated when carrying the crossbeam to his crucifixion

>>521132150
>which identifies Jews as the enemy explicitly
lol
>There is no religion more radically anti-Jewish than Christianity.
lmao
Do you love your enemies like jewsus instructed?

>>521133101
do you even realize that christ is a forgery of appollo by jews between the 1st-2nd century? its not real.
the invention of christ is an extremely tryhard greko-roman fanwork jewish slop edition that has stolen myths and rituals of anything slightly popular during its time before coining it as their own in bastardized forms.

888 appollo
888 Alpha & Amega
888 jesus
6 is taboo because it conflicts with the concepts of "the alpha and omega". As in all letters = "truth" (6 was dropped out of the greek alphabet - digama)
6th letter in the germanic runes: The Light, A torch or flame, Illumination, knowledge, clarity, creative fire and the guiding light of truth.
The light/The sun = Sol Invictus 25th of december.
Odinic worship = the same time period (Winter solstice) The return of the light (the unconquered sun)
666/616 nero (emperor who were persecuting jews)
666 oppressive empire
666 satan/antichrist (jewish psyop, brainwashing people to protect jewish people)

>>521130377
It's pretty good evidence, it's the most studied artifact in history and, scientists can't explain or replicate it so yeah..

>>521133111
>worships one instead
okie doke

I have a jar of jesus's poop and pee collected as he was carrying his cross on his way to be crucified.

I'm selling it on Amazon for the low price of 19.99$.

>>521133562
I am sending you love as we speak <3

>>521133639
They cant replicate roman concrete does that mean god made it?

>>521133162
>sin
>chakra
>karma
>super powers
>air bending
sounds like someone reddit talking about marvel or something lol

>>521130437
And yours.. allegedly.

>>521133719
>shows schnozz
oy gevalt chaim! (you) wuz not Christ

>>521133639
>fucking magnets, how do they work?
>must be the work of my personal tribal storm deity

>>521129741 (OP)
The wounds are not compatible with the ones of a crucifixion people were not crucified this way in roman times.
Also, it doesn't make sense for there to be blood in the first place since, in the ancient jewish burial rituals, the bodies were cleaned before putting the shroud on.
It doesn't even make sense from a scripture point of view: God ordered people not to make graven images and forbids idol worshipping, why did he make a graven image knowing very well people would worship it?

>>521133866
>y-y-you must be jewish
I renounce all abrahamic nonsense

>>521133939
Nah that’s Jesus, you’re a very useful idiot of Jews yourself

>>521133939
good talk saar
now pick up the phone. uber jeets is calling, you have a delivery

>>521133753
>she's already evading
If you are supposed to love your enemies and jews are your enemies then that means that you're a philosemite.
You have to go back.

>>521131276
It still doesn't address how the negative was made you low effort shill faggot

>>521134018
>Your rules dude
Dang right it is. Christ is King.

>>521129741 (OP)
This thing is so gay it’s ridiculous.

>>521133895
Your last point is stupid because the image wasnt supposed to be made on purpose

>>521132417
Typical degenerate kike insults

>>521134027
You’re conflating loving your enemy with adoring or supporting your enemy. Loving your enemy means you pray for their forgiveness and wish them well after they die, it does not mean cucking to anyone and letting them do what they want. It’s not hippyism, it’s just a fundamental ethical frame that prevents you from being sadistic.

>>521134018
>you look and act nothing like Christ therefore you are not God
proved it easily

>>521130540
>The whole point is to have faith, not believe based on proof
this is why last time i was in church was on mandatory church ceremony at age 15yo (shool thing, aka the last time 100% of poles go to church)

>>521129741 (OP)
A fraud that doesn't even match the biblical narrative

>>521134105
did you... read the image?
>>521134218
>you look and act nothing like Zeus therefore you are not God
disproved it easily

>>521134123
Your answer contraddicts the Bible: God is omniscient, he knows the future, there is no such thing as something that is not supposed to happen on purpose when speaking of the divine.
Again, why would God create a graven image?

>>521134168
Tons of soldiers and marines who are Christians. They fear Christ, thats why they feel a need to attack him.
https://www.usmcu.edu/Outreach/Marine-Corps-University-Press/Expeditions-with-MCUP-digital-journal/Entering-the-Temple-of-Mars/

>>521134123
Nothing God does is on accident, but it doesn’t mean it’s an image you’re supposed to worship. The Church’s position on it is that it should just be a visual aid to help you reflect on Jesus’s sacrifice. We can’t presume to know why exactly he would have left this for us but that seems like a good reason

>>521129741 (OP)
This is what I see.

>>521130377
>stain
It's a photo negative. Scientists and historians have no explanation of how a flash of light bright enough to create a photo negative could have occurred 2,000 years ago - let alone emanate from a body.

>>521134308
zeus, odin and all other idols are pussies and fake.. why didn't they save greece and their respected religons and areas from Christianity seems kinda impotent from a god perspective. Christ is really that strong, he didn't even need to lift a sword, his words and teachings are enough.

>>521130748
topkek

>>521134327
You're missing his point, which is that no human purposefully made it, and even less so in order to worship it. You also have no historical contextual understanding for what is a graven image and why.

>>521130897
Are you badmouthing the Prophet Isa (PBUH)?

>>521134308
Ok but I have proof that Christ is King

>>521134168
>Loving your enemy means you pray for their forgiveness and wish them well after they die
Let's see

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

>>521134408
Lemmy?

>>521134526
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>521129741 (OP)
>In 1988, scientists at three separate laboratories dated samples from the Shroud to a range of 1260–1390 AD, which coincides with the first certain appearance of the shroud in the 1350s and is much later than the burial of Jesus in 30 or 33 AD.

OHH NO NO NO CHRISTC/U/CK BROS IT SEEMS OUR JEWISH FAIRY TALES AREN'T WORKING ON THE GOYIM
https://escholarship. org /content/qt6x77r7m1/qt6x77r7m1.pdf?t=nus03r

>>521134168
>Loving your enemy means you pray for their forgiveness and wish them well after they die
Nope
That is a different instruction explicitly said in the verse so that's not what "love your enemies" means, pilpuling crossjew.
>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

>>521134447
>zeus, odin and all other idols are pussies and fake
yes
>Christ is really that strong
there's probably some niece marvel superhero that's stronger, such is the world of fiction is jesus is a part of

>>521134105
>Dang right it is. Christ is King.
God is King. Jesus was simply a messenger. Jesus never told anyone to worship him and neither did the prophets. They advised strictly against worshiping anyone but God above.

Jesus worship and the Trinity were created hundreds of years later by the council of Nicaea in order to appeal to Pagans.

Worship God and God alone. Anything else is a twisted polytheistic version of Christianity.

>>521134743
Only God can forgive and judge.. but us Whites can send you there.

>>521133639
>It's pretty good evidence, it's the most studied artifact in history and, scientists can't explain or replicate it so yeah..
The Bible literally says in multiple verses that Jesus was covered with strips of linen. The shroud directly contradicts the actual Bible

>>521134308
Lmao

To be fair though, it's not like Christianity came out of nowhere - the Romans were exposed to foreign religions they conquered and would blend Greek myths with these religions.

Greco-Egyptian religion existed long before Christianity and had its controversial existence, but it later became a part of Rome and became its own thing - the Greco-Egyptian Isis has more to do with Persephone and Aphrodite than the Egyptian Isis. Mithraism is similar with Zoroastrianism (although with Mithraism, some would argue it has nothing to do with Zoroastrianism, I think they were following a Zurvanist sect)

Christianity was Judaism blending with Dionysian mystery cults and Platonism. I think it's a bit dishonest to say it was strictly a Jewish product.

Now my argument only proves how not true and ahistorical Christianity was, and how it saddens me that humanity is still so psychologically captured by this religion that obviously can't literally be true. It is also absurd how many Christians hate kikes but literally worship the Kike god and a Rabbi

>>521134760
>there's probably some niece marvel superhero that's stronger, such is the world of fiction is jesus is a part of
But Christ isn't fiction.. thats the difference. As i said, Christ conquered the world with only his words and the truth that he speaks.. no one else in history has done that. Why would the kikes elevate a character they hate so much and persecute themselves throughout history with a figure they don't believe in.. leads me to believe that Christ is the Truth.

>>521134630
Right, that doesn’t contradict what I said. You need to differentiate between action and sentiment. In sentiment we love and forgive our enemies, in action that doesn’t mean we let them walk all over us.
A good way to think of it is, my great grandfather had the flag patch from the uniform of a Jap he killed in WW2. He cut it out to remember him. Not as a war trophy because he hated him, but because he *didn’t* hate him and wanted to have something to remember him by. You can fight someone without hating them.

>>521134829
The Gospels vary in many details, there is no “this is 100% what happened all the way through.” It’s recounting what happened to the best of ability

>>521134464
>You're missing his point, which is that no human purposefully made it
the letter of the bishop of Magonza clearly states that the shroud is a man made fake and he had found the culprit.
>and even less so in order to worship it.
It was first found during the golden age of the market of fake relics, do 2+2...
>You also have no historical contextual understanding for what is a graven image and why.
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them" (exodus 20:4)

>>521134889
>in action that doesn’t mean we let them walk all over us.
Sure. You're never called to violence and of they don't want to hear about Jesus then dist off your feet and move along.

>You can fight someone without hating them.
Jesus never calls you to violence

>>521134767
Except the very first Christian writers two centuries before Nicea regarded Jesus as God and had a trinitarian understanding of him.

>>521134869
>no one else in history has done that.
except all the other religions. muhammad for example
>Why would the...
why would people do all sorts of weird shit?

>>521134869
He didn't - Constantine made it the official religion of Rome which began a process of gradually outlawing the Greco-Roman religion, and Theodosius outright starting putting people to death who didn't convert. When Constantine became Emperor, only 10% of the population was Christian - people thought Christianity was just another mystery cult like Mithraism or Hermeticism

Charlemagne did the same to the Saxons, he even gave the death penalty to babies in pagan families.

Vladimir of Kiev did the same thing with the Slavs.

So no, it didn't spread naturally. A King / Emperor adopted it and put people to death who didn't accept it.

>>521134767
correct, jews told you to worship the 1 god system that was forged in the 1st - 2nd century as greko-roman fanfiction through plato.

now look at all the faggots worshiping this slop, selfimposed cognitive dissonance to a point that they would bring themselves into a mental asylum before having done anything with their lives at all.

the perfect slaves

>>521130377
>the best evidence is this
it is a physical artifact that can has been technically analyzed for materialist doubters like you

>>521135072
>except all the other religions. muhammad for example
muhammed was a man.. Jesus was the son of God.. a living God, tell me one thing.. if allah is all powerful why couldn't he return to his own creation and visit this world?.. Christians don't deny this fact.

>>521135048
The very first mention of a """trinity"""wasn't of the concept was written about until nearly 100 years after his death, and wouldn't be expanded on until Nicaea.
The Trinity is inherently Polytheistic and at odds with the core of Christianity.

Hence why it didn't show up until Jesus had been long, long dead.

>>521134959
>the letter of the bishop of Magonza clearly states that the shroud is a man made fake and he had found the culprit.
And he was wrong retard

>>521135124
We would all, ALL be in a better place psychologically if people came to terms with the fact that Judaism was a forged product created from Greek and Zoroastrian religion.

Ironically enough, it looks like most Jews have accepted that fact, which is why they are so tribalistic and arrogant. Why can't white people accept that too?

>>521129741 (OP)
I'm a Christian but that is well known to be a fake

>>521130484
more good stuff from dr campbell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1R2kDPHFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GH8Hag5dUw

>>521135230
Why did God only visit the world once as a Jew?

It's such a dumb argument. Whether God incarnates as a person or not doesn't change whether he exists or not. God can exist and choose not to incarnate on earth.

>>521135340
Did he call himself a jew.. or did others?

>>521135230
One fairytale Vs another

>>521134959
>the letter of the bishop of Magonza clearly states that the shroud is a man made fake and he had found the culprit.
You're changing your premise. You asked why God would make a graven image if it's against his own orders. To which anon replied how in that case it would not be a man-made object of worship, and as such, not a graven image.
>It was first found during the golden age of the market of fake relics, do 2+2...
Relics are not objects of worship.
>“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them" (exodus 20:4)
I said you're lacking historical and contextual understanding, not literacy. Would you deem icons forbidden too? Why/why not?

>>521135278
Well known in your own head? The opposite is true in reality and even atheist scientists insist there’s no explanation. Maybe you should stop thinking you know things “well” that you don’t know at all. You’re only a Christian because you’re the sort of midwit that passively accepts all received information, by the way. Some redditor incorrectly told you it’s a “known fake” and you went “oh ok haha”. Retard

>>521135340
>God can exist and choose not to incarnate on earth.
But if a God is allpowerful.. wouldn't you say he'd have the ability to visit this world?

>>521131031
>same standard we apply to everything else in the world
see, there's your problem. He is not in the world. He was in the world and left us this artifact

>>521135356
>21 And when eight days were completed [a]for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.

>>521135230
idk man probably because religions are ficion with inconsistencies in them
and if one man who's not even a god can spread a religion then it's not that special is it

>>521135411
So they circumsized children in that region.. tell me, did Christ ever say he was jewish, because as far as i know he brutally denied the "synagogue" of satan.

It's not anatomically correct and is visually obviously fabricated. Its one of those things that >120 IQs disqualify on sight.

Btw it's not geometrically correct either. Would not have looked like this. The image does not "wrap" correctly in a pressure-correlated way to human anatomy. If you don't understand what I just said, you are not capable of doing ANY analysis on things like this.

This qualifies as idol worship btw

>>521135215
Trust the science?

The science unambiguously says it's fake btw. Notice how only Italian catholic scientists ever get to do "science" in it...that means you're being deceived. Give it to the Chinese and have them test it

Christians are supposed to rely on faith. Not idols. You guys aren't even the religion you're pretending about.

>>521135388
>even atheist scientists insist there’s no explanation.
You are a liar, and hence not arguing as a Christian. No atheist scientists touch it. It's always Italians. Only ever Italians.

All this stuff is an IQ test and you failed. Hell scared all of you and that's the sole reason you are "christian". Most of you do 0 to help anyone and are perverts, would abuse little girls, etc.

>>521135250
Looking for an explicit mention of the trinity misses the point, since the term had to be invented first. The the underlying theology can be found in the earliest Christian texts. Polycarp for example was a disciple of John and demonstrated a trinitarian view of God. Jesus promised us that the Church would not be overcome, hence we can trust in its teachings.

>>521130613
>>521132402
>>521133639
>>521134440
>>521135215
>Jesus rose from the dead bro trust me
>Anyways here's a cloth that his dead rotting body left an imprint on over the course of 100s of years. It proves he's god.

>>521135250
The first reference to the "trinity" wasn't until 90AD, nearly 70 years after Jesus died. An entire lifetime.

Interesting how every blasphemous overhaul to Christianity conveniently happened immediately after everyone who was alive with Jesus had all died off.

>>521133623

Jesus Lived

One of Us

>>521135420
You lack faith and is prolly vaccinated. Your faith is money and science in this world.. but you'll have to leave it at some point and what then? You ever gotten that far in your calculation, i'm telling you.. everthing you'll find at the end is Jesus Christ. I'm not saying this to smite or spite you.. i'm telling you this because its the truth and theres no running from the truth.

>>521135479
>So they circumsized children in that region
Pay attention
>>521135411
>And when eight days were completed
This event fulfilled Jewish law, which required male infants to be circumcised on the eighth day as a sign of God's covenant.

>>521135497
I'm not talking about the word "trinity", I'm talking about the concept of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, or which the very first mention is ~90AD.
See >>521135525

>>521135562
They circumsize people in America.. is everyone in the states a kike?

>>521135495
>In 1902, Sorbonne professor Yves Delage, an agnostic evolutionist, presented to the French Academy of Sciences a detailed anatomical examination concluding the image depicted a real crucified man with unprecedented realism, estimating the probability of accidental forgery at one in ten billion based on wound accuracy and lack of medieval artistic precedents; despite peer-reviewed support, clerical opposition and anti-religious bias among academicians suppressed broader acceptance.

This is not the only example by the way.

>>521131276
>inconsistencies with known trauma patterns associated with Roman crucifixion
who says this? it is highly anatomically and pathologically consistent with crucifixion
add in the dirt particles and pollen evidence, and its extremely convicing

>>521135525
Same thing with Revelation. It's all "Christians" focus on and isn't a real part of the Bible at all, added 120 years later to make people afraid. Literally contamination.

Here is a super fun one: ask Christians if they believe in revelation how they can not be Mormon, because God said to be Mormon now. This is very unambiguous. I haven't received a single answer so far. They cannot answer the question.

>>521135356
Do you know what the word "Jew" means? It comes from the Germanic word "Juden" or French "Jiu" which came from the Latin "Iudeaus" which came from the Greek "Ioudaios" which came from the Hebrew "Yehuda"

In the Gospel, the word "Jew" is synonymous and identical with the word "Judean" - the Gospel is in Greek. "Judean" refers to the tribal ethnic group that lives in the territory of Judah.

But what's more is that Jesus claimed to literally descend from the founder of that city. In Matthew 1 and in Luke, Jesus's genealogy claims to descend from the Tribe of Judah to David to himself.

He's literally a Jew in every sense of the word. He was also circumcized, preached in synagogues, debated the meaning of Hebrew holy texts, practiced passover, and was executed by the Jewish Sanhedrin for blasphemy against Judaism.

It's ridiculous and absurd to assert he isn't Jewish

>>521131345
>Some other rando got crucified with a crown of thorns?
Yes, literally thousands of people did, romans nailed people on the cross on a very regular basis, for example when Spartacus revolted from 73 to 71 BC 6000 of them were crusified along the via appia

>>521135581
Yes, me too. 90AD is very early. Jesus had died just 60 years earlier. There were many people alive, even some Apostles, who had followed him and knew exactly what he taught. Question: why did the Jews have crucify Jesus, if not for his claim that he was God? In his debates against the pharisees and the high priest it's pretty clear what he is insinuating and why it makes them so upset.

>>521135603
1902 is pre-science effectively, lol. Couldn't give a fuck less. Modern tools give us like 7 ways to determine conclusively it's fabricated

The face is wrong dude. It doesn't appear real.

>>521130540
>The whole point is to have faith, not believe based on proof.
Weird. I could have sworn you made a whole ass OP about presenting some kind of proof that "unbelievers" aka non-jews will not be able to refute.
So what is it, kikebro? Faith or proof?

>the people with hardened hearts
I feel for the victims of jewry, and I reject the chosenite right to abuse goys as they see fit. If anything, my heart is filled with love as you stand ready to kill at your masters behest.

>>521135682
There is a difference between an old time Judean and someone who calls themselves "jew" today.. Kikes have a way of changing words and history.. you should know that if you're actually for the cause. They are deceptive and liars.. Christ was nothing alike, and the fact that you think that honestly offends me.

>>521130377

>your supreme, omnipotent, omniscient deity that supposedly made the entire world and the best...

I gotchu senpai.

your supreme, omnipotent, omniscient deity that supposedly made the entire world and the best....he has to offer for this entire universe is that we live on a spek of dust and pay taxes to pedos. Always have. This is it. THIS IS ALL HE HAS TO OFFER US?

>>521135529
theres not one single physical evidence of his existence at all, despite romans rigorously keepng recording on fucking anything that ever happened around rome where weven germanic names are written down that sounds like old germanic elites

>>521135393
Yeah, and the Hindus believe Vishnu incarnated as a man several times, they worship the man form of this deity by worshipping Krishna.

The Greeks believed that the gods often came down in the disguise of man. Before Zeus flooded the earth, he came down disguised as a beggar.

Does that mean those gods are both real?

>>521135691
No tard, they did not commonly put a crown of thorns on people who were crucified and viciously flagellate them, exactly as was described in the Gospels and exactly as the shroud depicts. That was unique to Jesus’ claim of being king of the Jews

>>521133866
Theres no study though. Also wtf kind of category is 'judaics'.

>>521135556
i'm probably vaccinated? bruh, we both probably have 20+ vacces in us, i checked my medical records online and saw a huge list of them from when i was a baby. this is true for old people too. normal in denmark too. why even mention that
>You lack faith
1 sentance later...
> Your faith is...
you good? you just, correctly, said i don't have faith lol
you can't demonstrate your claims about jesus and god to be true
no one can. no one has even once since the story was made up.

>>521135804
I don't give a shit about idols.. i am for the Truth and i know Jesus Christ is the Truth and he spoke the Truth about the devils in our society and those who call themselves "jews" but are not.. it's really that simple. And the fact that you fuckers beat around the bush so much leads me to believe that you aren't in it for the White Cause.. but trying to destroy and create chaos.

>>521135735
>gets proven wrong immediately with ease
>D-doesn’t count! Anyway, here’s a different lie instead

Bye

>>521132509
He was God before jews were jews this argument makes no sense.

>>521135813
Just lying. Multiple roman historians note common flagellation before crucifixion

You cannot be a Christian if you try to win arguments by lying to people. You are a devil worshipper right now.

Why do you think the Romans had a scourge to whip him with? Why do you think scourges are real known items that we have examples of? Retard.

>>521130377
It would be nice if the shroud were a genuine relic. My faith doesn't rest on its validity. I became a Christian when I learned how close Hadrian came to exterminating the kikes. The fact that they could not only recover from that, but go on to dominate culture, finance, education, and so on via using my country and others as murder golems...that proved to me that the devil is real. And if there's a devil, there has to be a God, there has to be!
I'm basically Harvey Keitel (oy vey!) in From Dusk Till Dawn.

>>521135868
>i'm probably vaccinated? bruh, we both probably have 20+ vacces in us, i checked my medical records online and saw a huge list of them from when i was a baby. this is true for old people too. normal in denmark too. why even mention that
You know what i mean by 'Vaccinated'.
And let me tell you even pagans believed you were to be judged in the afterlife.. so watch yourself and the tact you have in life, it might come right back to you.

>>521135891
I didn't get proven anything. The guy is simply stating an opinion and has no ability to analyze the shroud

Furthermore could just not even be a real person or be a Catholic like every person who ever touches it. It's in easily obvious

The world is really confusing for 2 digiters

>>521135868
>pic
So in other words you admit that scientism and mainstream narrative s religion because scienctism faggots act like girl in pink.

>>521135770
So the Jews didn't kill Jesus then? Paul wasn't a Jew? Are the people who claim to be Jews not subject to the deicidal curse in Acts?

>It offends me
I can respect the attempt to try to find spiritual meaning in your life, but I'm just pointing out that it's bizarre that you are worshipping a Jew who his followers called "Rabbi" and you absolutely hate Jews.

>>521135925
>"The devil" is real so this one religion that describes a similar concept is true

Logical error.

>>521135893
Bingo.. the kikes only made their talmud after Christ.. before that it was verbal.

>>521135868
>said i don't have faith lol
No one cares or asked what you said.

>>521133895
>in the ancient jewish burial rituals, the bodies were cleaned before putting the shroud on
correct, and they also had to bury the body before sundown because of the sabbath. that's why the women went back on sunday to wash the body

>>521135813
I dont see any crown of thorns on the shroud tho and actually romans flagellated those who were condemned to death very often and used other methods of torture aswel, Jesus was just a common criminal to them, they wouldn't have treated him differently from common criminals, even in the bible he is on the cross with common criminals if I remember correctly

>>521136028
The synagogue of satan killed Jesus.. but they weren't Judeans, they were pharisee. The fact that you only see jew in that old region tells me that you haven't been paying attention.. do you know how many tribes and sects there were in old judea?

>>521135868
>reddity meme flag
>passive aggressive tone
Either jeety sarry coprogolem or some kind of leftoid faggot.

>>521129996
>one arm longer than the other and comically long to begin with
gibbon bros, our response?

>>521135600
>They circumsize people in America
Not all based on
>>521135562
>>And when eight days were completed
>This event fulfilled Jewish law, which required male infants to be circumcised on the eighth day as a sign of God's covenant.
You moron

>>521136028
>life, but I'm just pointing out that it's bizarre that you are worshipping a Jew who his followers called "Rabbi" and you absolutely hate Jews.
There is nothing bizzare about it, you just don’t know anything beyond having a vague meme conception of Jesus being a Jew. Christianity is anti-Jewish. Jews hate Jesus and Christians. You don’t get it.

>>521136079
The profusive bleeding from his head is from a crown of thorns

>>521135887
Why are idols evil? Isn't it because the Hebrew Old Testament, the Holy Book that the Jews follow, says so?

I think we would live in a much better world if people actually knew about the Greek myths desu.

>>521136170
I'm born into a Roman-Catholic family and uncircumsized.. what is your excuse?

>>521136049
The talmud and the mazoretic translations of the torah were made hundreds of years after Christ came ans went.
This notion that the bible is jewish it is not and the jews during the times of Christ were teaching and reading the septuigant mainly and whatever was left from the old hebrew manuscripts.
Kikes are not only low iq retard mongrels but also damned and liars to the core meaning they will say and do anything to try to silence the truth and omit information which is why Jesus said they are children of the devil.
And if one jew today converts to christianity and embraces the truth they will do their best to kill him make no mistake about it.

>>521136177
>Christianity is anti-Jewish
No it isn't

>>521135893
>>521136049

>>521133775
>this is what it sounds like to me
Absolutely no one cares or asked, this is not your personal blog.

>>521136221
I follow the New Testament.. like a good Christian.

>>521136226
Oh ok

>>521136222
I'm not circumcised either

But Jesus was because he was a jew

>>521136225
They think they're smart untill someone smarter comes along and puts a fuckin' stick in their deceptive kike wheel.
God is in control.. trust you me.

>>521135784

If you realised that he lived it'd bring you an astonishing, immediate and undeniably authentic new awareness of reality. You'd recognise that your former grasp of reality was pathetically feeble and EVERYTHING would now be amazing.

This is what he meant when he said no one comes to the Father but through me.

God IS Reality

>>521136264
But he was a real jew and not of the synagogue of satan.. it's that simple.

>>521135868
>slop munching cattle cannot comprehend plato cave
You are not in position to decide what is real and what is not, fnaggot.

>>521135784
This is completely false idiot, he’s described in numerous Roman sources, literally do the bare minimum of reading a Wikipedia article sometime

>>521129741 (OP)
It was debunked as a hoax. The shroud covered a statue or something IIRC

>>521136341
>But he was a real jew
Lol, lmao

>>521136177
Christians hate the Jews because they are essentially heretics who don't believe in the correct form of Judaism. It has nothing to do with their culture or who they are.

Jews literally laugh at the fact that Christians are trying to we wuz as Jews. The way they interpret it is they view Christians as a manifestation of the Spirit of Esau, Jacob's twin, as Jacob stole Isaac's birthrite from Esau and Esau wants that birthrite back.

They literally categorize you as wanna be Jews

>>521136392
You don’t remember correctly

>>521135868
>said i don't have faith lol
Yes you do, its called official, normalfag narrative.

>>521136316
You realize that this is a product of how simple you are as a person right

People with more complex brains don't give this euphoria from giving up thought. I mean I would love to have it, but you are a ~100 IQ person. I cannot mentally be like you just like I cannot mentally be like a wolf or a rabbit.

You believe the religion you believe because of the culture you were born in. If you were born in another culture you would believe that religion. You cannot argue against this as it is everyday observable reality

Some of us simply cannot access what you have. I do envy you in a way. But I also don't.

>>521136253
The New Testament which extensively quotes and relies on the Old Testament? You do realize Paul and many Christians sing Psalms, an Old Testament book?

>>521136376
>he’s described in numerous Roman sources
Name some that are proven legit and ate contemporary

>>521136046
Do you know a better way to oppose supernatural evil then, Mr. Spock?

>>521136408
The jews themselves are cannanite khazar mutts that have nothing to do with og kikes.

>>521136398
Theres a difference between Jesus Christ and the Synagogue of satan.. it's your place in this world to learn it, the world is changing and people are getting smarter to your kike tricks.. good luck. You're gonna need it, theres a reason why you satanists have been kicked out of a 109.

>>521136408
>Jews literally laugh at the fact that Christians are trying to we wuz as Jews. The way they interpret it is they view Christians as a manifestation of the Spirit of Esau, Jacob's twin, as Jacob stole Isaac's birthrite from Esau and Esau wants that birthrite back.
Why i am supposed to care again?

>>521136486
There isn't supernatural evil or the devil, however if you really cared to try, you would be doing something productive to help suffering people right at this very moment. Right now.

>>521136151
>One hand closed, one hand open.
Idk man, gods kid be schizo but not wrong

>>521136132
It was predominately Jewish semites. Nobody in Rome wanted to live in Jerusalem, it was viewed as a backwaters area. It was the Puerto Rico of Rome; the Romans allowed King Herod to rule Judah as a vassal state because they viewed the Jews as so backward and weird

>>521135961
you mean corona vacc? i don't have it no
afterlife? lots of people believe in all sorts of weird stuff all throughout history... doesn't make it any more real just because multiple people had the same ideas or concepts in mind, and the afterlife is an appealing and comfortable concept
>>521135988
idk what you're talking about at all
>>521136065
read the chat so it makes sense to you, moron.
>>521136136
here's my flag since it means so much to you. i'm neither of those you mentioned, which strongly suggest you have a seriously low iq.
all you had to say was 'perhaps' before that statement and you wouldn't appear to be so stupid.

>>521136454
The New Testament doesn't need the old.. we're a new covenant, read it and find out.

>>521136492
So again, the Jews are not responsible for killing Jesus then, correct? God didn't curse them in the Book of Acts?

>>521136500
Anyway, we agree he was a jew like the bible clearly says.

>b..bbb..but jewish infighting
Lmao

>>521136462
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus

Claiming Jesus never existed is extremely fringe by the way, modern scholarship unanimously agrees the historical person existed and was crucified. All anyone does by asserting otherwise is demonstrate how little they actually know. We’re well beyond debating the historicity of Jesus.

>>521135377
I didn't change my premise, I just pointed out that what you are saying it's bullshit.
You have a letter of a person directly informed of the facts that clearly states the shroud is fake.
Relics are objects of worship.
>But muh context muh history
you have a passage straight from the bible that clearly, explicitly and without any exemption tells you to NOT MAKE ANY KIND OF IMAGE OF ANYTHING, even with context, what changes?

>>521136585
This viewpoint is specifically admonished against by Jesus

Once again you rely on non Christians to educate you for Sunday school

>>521135925
>God, there has to be!
Look what kind of shit god allows devil to do.
And you cannot opt out of this shit because suicide is sin.

>>521136574
So what beliefs do you hold in life.. are you afraid to tell and anon board that?.. or are you just spiritually dead and completely blackpilled?

>>521136603
Again,
>>521136462
>Name some that are proven legit and ate contemporary
Tactisu never mentions the name Jesus.

He and Josephus are not contemporary and Josephus has been contested

These don't convince me

>>521136547
I filled a guy's gas tank this week and now I am wishing I still had that $65 to get some coffee. What have you done, faggot, besides rub your circuits together until thermal paste oozes from your motherboard?

>>521136132
>do you know how many tribes and sects there were in old judea
All the same genetic trash

>>521136592
>pilpil
Modern kikes≠og kikes.

>>521129741 (OP)
how is this proof of anything supernatural?

>>521136625
I rely on Jesus Christ and his teachings.. that simple. And it's working out pretty well for me.

>>521136679
>I filled a guy's gas tank this week
Is this some gay euphemism

>>521136697
It’s a photo negative not a stain. There is no known way it could have been produced

>>521136687
They behave exactly the same

>>521136585
"I did not come to destroy the Law but fulfill...not one tiddle of the Law shall change"

You should take a catechism class

>>521136687
Answer the question then. So modern day Jews are not responsible for killing Jesus and weren't cursed by God, correct?

>>521136679
>I used my last money to fill someone's gas tank.

Liar or otherwise paying for services rendered .

Now get off 4chan and go do works

>>521136746
He fulfills the prophecy but replaces the Old Law with the New. The Old Law no longer has bearing and is what the Jews practice

>>521136735
>There is no known way it could have been produced

Right. That's why there are documentaries where they reproduce it.

>>521136448

You're so insufferable. So lacking in self awareness. Such astonishing hubris. So unconscious as to be unable to see he paints a portrait of me to tear down as he does Jesus and anything else he finds disagreeable. He thinks this an expression of intelligence.

You've a horrible reality check in the mail

>>521136670
Josephus is the most obvious forgery in the world. He literally calls Jesus the Messiah.

>>521136802
>but replaces the Old Law with the New.
That's not what he said

>>521136746
>>521136802
Thats literally what a new covenant means.

>>521129741 (OP)
I recently came across this site
https://shadowshroud.com/
it is pretty surprising he was able to make reasonably a similar effect as found on the Shroud of Turin. It was not as complex as the Shroud though in the detail

>>521136715
No. Neither is the phrase "squeezing some toothpaste".

>>521136802
>He fulfills the prophecy but replaces the Old Law with the New. The Old Law no longer has bearing

Right which is why you are now required to be Mormon or you aren't Christian. Mormonism is the new covenant. God said so.

Watching you be unable to answer this question gives me a boner. You won't even reply because there is no possible way around it for you

>>521136837
Yes it is. You’re second only to this guy >>521136815 for thread’s biggest retard btw

>>521136547
>There isn't supernatural evil
i'm so glad you never had to experience it, my sweet summer child

>>521136802
So you accept then that the Hebrew Old Testament is God's infallible writing? And that the Jews were God's chosen people and the only people on earth capable of accessing the divine?

>>521136667
i really wish any kind of god or something similar was real. i have spent a long time in high hopes looking for it, finding nothing of true substance.
i'm grateful and happy for what i have since i don't believe i'll be getting more than this. at least i try to be as often as possible

>>521136885
You are required to follow Jesus Christ.. thems the rules, kikes don't follow the rules. They like to make up their own rules. Bingo Bango you fucked up.

>>521129741 (OP)
1. shrouds were not used by Jews, they used linen wrappings, like Egyptians.
2. Jesus's beard was torn, this beard is as tidy as an English hedge
3. Jesus was scourged into unrecognizability, this fellow is distinctly peaceful and intact
conclusion: this is typical pagan catholic European fetishism. Carnal Europeans are obsessed with relics and physicality and cannot wrap their heads around simple faith, they must have and always demand extras, like these ridiculous hoaxes.

>>521136823
Damn sounds like you're mad that I made you realize you are not a Christian you just grew up christian

How can one be a Christian if brought into it as a child? No choice was made in faith.

>>521130540
"faith" is a trick and you fell for it

>>521136908
Of course?

>>521136935
And find you shall.. when you've gotten enough of your old way.. Christ shall be right there beside you. Do not be lost in this world, be found in him.

>>521136942
No you are required to be Mormon. God changed his mind again. It's in the tablets

>No! I decide what God said or not!
Oh ok :)

>>521136778
Works don't do shit. Jesus did it all.

>>521136908

They seem to be the first people in this part of the World. Hindus and Eastern philosophies grasped around the same tome

>>521137010
>God changed his mind again. It's in the tablets
Very kikish of you kike.

>>521137013
The goal of Christianity is glorification of God, not salvation. Salvation-first Christians are heretical

>>521135230
Numbers 23:19
>“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”

Hosea 11:9
>“For I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”

Why would God state that he's not a man in the Greek Septuagint and the masoretic text only to contradict himself according to the writers of the New Testament?

>>521136977
Don't you realize how mentally cucked that is?
>We Europeans couldn't find God or a sense of moral goodness until the Jews came along and taught us how to do it.
>The Jews taught us how to have sex properly
>But also those Jews are just evil and everything they produce is evil

You literally believe in this

>>521136888
>Yes it is. You’re
It isn't

17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

>>521137010
If Joseph Smith had been a real prophet, sure. Deut 18:22 shows that he wasn't a real prophet, however. Find a better angle.

>>521137059
So the new testament is kikish kikes also? You aren't being logically consistent

You're going to hell for not being Mormon. As Christian God commanded when he changed the covenant again.

>>521136610
>the bible that clearly, explicitly and without any exemption tells you to NOT MAKE ANY KIND OF IMAGE OF ANYTHING
Exodus 25:18-19 "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end."

>>521137079
Because he isn't.. yet he is, you do know that those are two different perspectives from two different people right?

>>521136954

I'm not a Christian you presumptuous dickhead.

You're a know all that knows fuck all. I want to wipe you off my fucking shoe.

>>521136950
Pretty sure it was proven to be a hoax because carbon dating found it was made during the 13th century when ironically it was when it first appeared.

>>521137139
How so?.. elaborate.

>>521137050
Archeologists like Jonathan Adler and Gad Barnea find that Judaism as a national religion doesn't go back more than 200 BC.

Plato and Pythagoras predated all of that by centuries. We have writings naming Greek gods going back to 1300 BC, far older than any mention of Yahweh

>>521130836
This

>>521136995
well thank you and it's a comfortable idea for sure but i don't see any reason to think it's real
it just feels like an infinite hypetrain to make people feel better

>>521137211
kek nice nice try Ackmed

>>521137128
Deut 18:22 is preempted by two new covenants. You're saying you speak for God

Make a logical argument. You cannot. You also cannot argue that you would simply be the religion of wherever you were born if you were born somewhere else.

These two arguments 100% defeat christian faith on argumentative basis.
Stop trying to argue. You lost. It's already over .
Faith is faith and cannot be reasoned for. Know your own religion

I don't belong to it and I am more Christian than every single one of you. You are lost

>>521129741 (OP)
Subhuman retards like OP is the reason the elites are making a subclass of niggermutts out of you. Honestly if you choose to be indoctrinated you don't deserve to live freely, it's that simple. They will make you serve, I say we should kill you all.

The shroud of turin may be bullshit, nevertheless, CHRIST IS KING!

>>521137233
Sounds like despair and hopelessness.. y'know people kill themselves over that shit right?.. fix yourself brother, you're worth it.

>>521133759
They can actually, the secret was volcanic ash

>>521137170
Do you see how retarded and illogical your statement is?
That statement is self contradictory because it claims God both is not and is a man at the same time, which violates the law of non contradiction.
Something cannot be both true and false in the same sense.
Appealing to different perspectives doesn’t resolve the contradiction it just sidesteps it by asserting two mutually exclusive claims as equally valid.

>>521133866
I hate jews but this image is incorrect the 2012 study itself isn't even about israeli jews but ashkenazi jews

>>521136950
>Jesus was scourged into unrecognizability, this fellow is distinctly peaceful and intact
you dont see his smashed nose and swollen eye? look closely at his backside and you can see hundreds of barbell-shaped marks from the scourging. your other points are equally false

>>521129741 (OP)
It's fake but even if it wasn't, I don't care. Christianity is too alien for me.

>>521137228

I'm talking about the concept of the Logos or Tao in China and Brahma in Hinduism. The central philosophy of a prime mover.