Thread 521258217

I mean this seriously, and no, I'm not into pedophilia and in fact the very idea of it has always disgusted me. But pedophilia has now become a giant topic and receives virtually universal condemnation, with the only people defending it being a little clique of weirdos with bizarre sexual proclivities.
Since pedophilia has been raised to the level of a top public concern now permeating national discussion, after just being some gross and presumably very rare thing that people felt was better off left undiscussed, I can't help but wonder: What is it about sexual arousal toward kids, and then going a step further, engaging in sexual activities with kids, that is so revolting to us and that we find not only morally wrong but perhaps the greatest evil that anyone can have in their mind or perform in their actions at an individual level (as opposed to the mass evils like unjust wars and democides that people rank as even worse than one instance of pedophilia)?
The ancient Greeks practiced pedophilia, including downright pederasty where adult and even elderly men had oral and penetrative sex with very young boys, and Greek society considered this not only normal, but had actual discussions about whether the "man-boy" relationship of pederasty was virtuous or somehow better than ordinary man-woman romantic love. So clearly the Greeks didn't agree with our instinctive and automatic revulsion toward pedophilia, and the Greeks are arguably the greatest civilization ever to exist, laying the foundations for all logical and eventually scientific thinking. All recorded thought prior to Greek philosophy was still "mytho-poetic" and mystical, like before the Axial Age and Greece's age of questioning everything, humans weren't even capable of thinking in the ordinary, rational, measured way that we just take as normal; or put another way, before the Greeks, there was no rigorous reasoning, or even proper reasoning, just mystical poetic intuitions about things.

>>521258217 (OP)
Pedophilia is property damage. If the biological parent is the child's pimp then I don't see a problem with it. But not MY children because I want them to have healthy outcomes.

I think studies on bullying are useful here - bullies almost always outrank their victims in later life health (including mental and sexual health) and financial outcomes.

So raping other people's kids is basically just giving my kids a leg up in life.

>>521258217 (OP)
Go ask a faggot if he got raped as a kid. Fags reproduce by raping kids.

>>521258217 (OP)
Just from the historical record, meaning with a thorough examination of all written documents that are extant, it looks like human beings couldn't even think in non-supernatural and non-superstitious terms prior to the revolution in thought that the Greeks accomplished, which was so profound a change that is likely puts the achievement of creating modern scientific thinking to change, since before the Greeks humans spent tens of thousands of years not even truly reasoning or thinking straight, but instead talking in mystical incantations and curses and seeing spirits in everything around them, from that mountain back there to this tree right here. The old animistic and ultra-supernatural ways of thinking that permeated every pre-Axial Age society just stuck around until the Greeks, as the greatest contributors to the achievements of the Axial Age by far, figured out that it's possible to explain things, from the structure of a rock or a bird to all manner of different natural processes, without appealing to a spirit (animism) or a deity (polytheism) that acts to produce whatever drew someone's attention.
Anyway, my point is if the Greeks themselves found pedophilia normal and even entertained the possibility that it's virtuous, then where does our automatic revulsion toward pedophilia comes from? It is natural and rooted in our genetics, or is this revulsion culturally specific, like a Christian thing in particular that has spread worldwide due to Christianity's spread?
As another data point for us to use in explaining pedophilia's naturalness of cultural specificity is the fact that even some cultures today have no problem with pedophilia and actually seem to prefer it over ordinary heterosexual sex.
Some Islamic cultures in particular practice fairly widespread pederasty of man-boy sexual relations, such as Afghanistan, where it's normal and considered healthy, for the boy's development, to become the sexual partner of an established man.

>>521258217 (OP)
It destroys its victims.

>>521258999
The man in the pederastic relationship is seen nor only as a lover but as a mentor who helps the boy get started off right in life and imparts his own hard won wisdom from life experience to the naive child.
Moreover, the Japanese have never had many hangups about types of sex that the Christian West considers perverted, like homosexuality (found in many warrior cultures like feudal Japan and ancient Sparts) and even, to a smaller degree than in Afghanistan, pederastic relationships.

So I'm just wondering why we have an automatic reaction against pedophilia and why it's so strong of a reaction, along with wondering about the source of this reaction, whether it lies in human biology or in culture, so that if the former is the source, all societies should share this strong revulsion, while if the latter is the source, then cultures can vary in their views on pedophilia in its various forms, ranging from it being accepted for a 38 year old established man with a solid career marrying a 15 year old adolescent girl and taking care of her and continuing to raise her in a paternal manner, to pederastic relationships between elderly men and eight year old boys.

A final thought, it's only recently that in the West, people have thought it bad for an adult man to have a relationship, sometimes even a marriage, with a girl teenage girl. In fact just a hundred years ago in Western societies, it wasn't just normal for established men to get with teenage girls, but this was often considered a good thing because the girl was gaining access to a man who is able to support her not only financially but emotionally owing to his greater life experience that allowed him to act as like a new father, after the biological father gives his daughter to her husband at the wedding, for the adolescent girl. And of course girls themselves had no problem whatsoever romantically attaching to established men; even today, many teenage girls daydream about male authority figures

>>521258217 (OP)
>Jesus Christ, another jew thread asking why it's wrong to rape kids
kys
>MAGA

>>521259877
in their lives such as teacher, professors, dance instructors, pastors etc.

Maybe we need to get over our dislike of certain kinds of age-gap relationships, like between middle age men and teenage girls, while still condemning and banning other kinds of age-gap relationships, like pederasty.

Pedophile jew Jerry Seinfeld thinks it's ok to rape children too
>The jew cannot comprehend why it is not ok to rape children regardless of breast size
That is why the jew will forever be a third world parasite

>>521258217 (OP)
Curious (not really) that we have so many threads tonight trying to sanitize the ethics of statutory rape and pedophilia. Seems like even your handlers know Trump is guilty and are desperately trying to switch the narrative from "Trump didn't rape pubescent sex slaves on Epstein Island" to "Okay so he did, but what's wrong with that??"

>>521259934
How is a successful billionaire, the top kind of man humankind produces, having sex with a WILLING 16 year old girl, "child rape" as you put it?
That's one of the most ordinary kinds of romantic or sexual relationship in history: successful older man plus naive girl in need of a male authority to guide her and show her what love is.

>>521260374
>The jew cannot comprehend why it is not ok to rape children regardless of breast size
That is why the jew will forever be a third world parasite

>>521260021
by that standard, your own grandparents were third world parasites too, since people of their time and place condoned and even practiced what you call child rape.

>>521260509
No they didn't, that's just what jews say to try cope
>All jews are pedophiles
Sad but true

>>521260021
>Pedophile jew Jerry Seinfeld thinks it's ok to rape children too
What's even creepier, is Jerry's pedophile jew friends in the media changed her age to 17 at the time instead

Actual pedophilia is degenerate as fuck. But if she bleeds, she breeds.

people have muddied the waters of the word pedophilia to include attraction to fully developed 17 year olds with big tits and wide hips. that's the only reason you're even able to have this discussion. watering down the word pedo to include well developed teens has only helped actual pedos. actual pedophilia is with pre-pubescent children that have no developed sexual characteristics and no desire for sex and its a very unnatural attraction and such actual kids lack the mental and even the physical attributes to even handle sex and can be traumatized or injured very easily and they are also very dumb and need to be protected.

>>521258217 (OP)
A big part is >>521258744 but in general people have been socialized to protect kids and having sex with them is uncomfortably close to using them for sexual gratification regardless of context. I'm personally for a you-break-it-you-bought-it approach, if you have sex with anyone you're responsible for them for life, and it's going to involve two families joining together to support the couple, but unfortunately present society and morality does not support this sort of thing anymore.

>>521258217 (OP)
You're just seeing propaganda at work. Government likes to take people off the street and murder them. Government does *not* like citizens becoming uppity. To keep citizens calm, government justifies anyone it kills:
>he wuz totally pedophile goys trust me
and women everywhere scream YAY GOVERNMENT SAVED ME!!!

This works because of a constant media cycle pushing magic-18th year as a mystical minimum, the day before which a person is just as naive and incapable of decisions as a pre-verbal infant. (Sex with either carries the same penalty.)

>>521258217 (OP)
>All recorded thought prior to Greek philosophy was still "mytho-poetic" and mystical, like before the Axial Age and Greece's age of questioning everything, humans weren't even capable of thinking in the ordinary, rational, measured way that we just take as normal; or put another way, before the Greeks, there was no rigorous reasoning, or even proper reasoning, just mystical poetic intuitions about things.
Okay but that doesn't justify diddling kids
You're basically just ruining someone's life before they understand how to think for themselves on even a most basic level for your own sick indulgence.

>>521260021
ok but can you call it hebephilia to separate it from actual pedophilia which is a hundred times worse. boinking a fully developed late teen should not be the same level of crime as boinking a 7 year old and yet you act like its the same thing. one deserves a light prison sentence and the other deserves life in prison or the death sentence

>>521261161
Pretty much this. Actual children can't get horny like a pubescent adult would, and the sex is actually dangerous for them because their sexual organs aren't developed.

Sex is an act of humiliation and simulated violence. Only whores and degens see it as a recreational activity for fun.

>>521258217 (OP)
It's unnecessary to exposes children to degeneracy in their development years.

>>521261809
Also apparently positive statements about the beauty of holy intercourse are beyond AI guardrails xD

>>521260260
I used to not care about trump at all. But its been a decade and you shills are still screaming, so I honest to God want him to be everything you revile. YOU have made me ready to fight HARD in civil war to take your rights, the rights of all women, the rights of all who refuse to reproduce, anyone who's vaxxed, and every last person who ever contracted Trump Derangement Syndrome. I'm just fucking sick of all of you. You deserve what's coming.

>>521258217 (OP)
it does massive psychological damage to the child
>but they liked.....
is a massive lie
the damage is real and irreparable

>>521258217 (OP)
>Long answer:
it is the violent dissolution of innocence. It is the utmost violation of a human being's trust and dignity at a point in their lives where they are the most vulnerable.
>short answer:
some things are obviously just FUCKING WRONG you tremendous FAGGOT.
>but muh ancient greeks
I wish I could build a time machine so you could go back and spend a day as one of those special palace boys, maybe then you'd understand why it's morally reprehensible. saged, fuck off back to plebbit. YWNBAW.

just wanna idiots don't realise that sexual attraction to kids isn't the issue. the satanists that fuck kids aren't doing it because they attracted to kids, they're doing it because they're attracted to transgressing. the people who are actually attracted to kids probably would never touch them and don't deserve all the criticism

>>521260471
>>521260554
you're the 'Jew' trying to cover up the real issues we have with people fucking kids i.e. people that kidnap and force and actually rape them

>>521261186
>I'm personally for a you-break-it-you-bought-it approach, if you have sex with anyone you're responsible for them for life, and it's going to involve two families joining together to support the couple, but unfortunately present society and morality does not support this sort of thing anymore.
This is a very appealing idea.
Yes, sex is a serious act with serious consequences and it should be the case that when a person decides to engage in sex, then that person is expected to accept the consequences which can follow, most typically a baby.
Unfortunately, as you say, in our era of libertine attitudes and anti-morality, people don't want to establish norms where they become responsible for the consequences of their lust, so it would be an uphill battle to try to renormalize the attitude that sex is a serious thing and when you do it, you should be prepared to accept the possible consequences.

>>521258217 (OP)
There is a natural, normal, and correct response of disgust towards sexual deviancy. Fucking prepubescent children engages the disgust mechanism in most people with healthy sexuality.

On top of this, there is a natural, normal, and correct inclination in most humans to protect children. Raping little kids is something that hurts them, and so it activates this natural response of anger and protectiveness in people who become aware of the actions.

The Greeks engaged in pederasty, and it was to the detriment of the boys being raped. Indeed, we have record of at least one committing suicide after the man sodomizing him boasted about it publicly. Do not confuse the Greeks having a grasp of philosophy with them having a developed and modern sense of morality. Athens was built on the back of brutal chattel slavery and the suffering of hundreds of thousands and life was given little value in practice. Sure, the Greeks thought that fucking little boys was fine. They also thought that it was okay to buy and sell people.

It's of course true that murdering someone is worse than raping them, but you can quite easily construct a justification for killing someone that isn't murder. When someone is killed, you first have to decide whether the killer was justified in their actions. When a prepubescent child is raped, there's no such thing. Someone of legal age or close to it claims to be raped or is raped statutorily, you first have to ascertain whether or not there was consent, whether or not it was reasonable for the person to suspect they were underage, etc.

This is why people react more strongly to raping kids than any other crime. Because there's no ambiguity and no need for deliberation and nuance.

Also you are gay and need to fuck off.

>>521258217 (OP)
get killed

>>521258217 (OP)
Commie thread to make it seem like Trump supporters are now agreeing with pedophilia.

>>521258217 (OP)
> Everest is now this big topic
> everybody's talking about it
> but nobody's defending actually climbing Everest except this little clique of obsessive weirdos
> somebody explain why climbing Everest is wrong
> I don't understand
> The Nepali people love climbing Everest

> Listen, Nepali's never liked climbing Everest
> Everest is too high to climb
> You can't breathe on Everest
> I hate people who climb mountains
> The real name of Everest isn't even Everest.
> Humans were meant to live in the valleys
> The only people who like climbing mountains are mentally ill
> Climbing damages the mountain
> Climbing mountains gives the wrong impression on young people
> Climbing mountains is dangerous
> Climbing mountains is wrong

> I like climbing mountains
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>521262946
>There is a natural, normal, and correct response of disgust towards sexual deviancy. Fucking prepubescent children engages the disgust mechanism in most people with healthy sexuality.
Interesting, I was discussing this matter with ChatGPT earlier; not specifically pedophilia, but just the topic of intrinsic disgust in itself, including sexual disgust.

I am strongly inclined to believe that such emotions exist in us for a reason. If you feel an instinctual revulsion toward pedophilia, then that fact in itself is most likely reason enough to assume that pedophilia is wrong. No further explanation required.

>>521258217 (OP)
First: fuck pedos. Second: most people that use the term don’t actually know the definition. Mainly stupid fucking females.

It's being into rape.

Actual rape is wrong. I only use the word rape as a joke when I do use it to imply I like a gal. No 4channer is ever going to get with a woman unless they leave this place for good.

>>521258217 (OP)
>The ancient Greeks practiced pedophilia, including downright pederasty where adult and even elderly men had oral and penetrative sex with very young boys
i hear this story all the time over and over but is it really true? or is this just one of those cases where only the worst stories survived the entropy of history? i have heard from other more neutral sources that pederasty simply referred to the age difference in a platonic (non-sexual) mentor-student relationship of mutual respect, meaning the student must respect the elder (kind of how it still is practiced in asian countries).
i'm not saying there was no gay stuff going on because there was most certainly gay stuff going on but i do wonder if this is just some kind of roman or jewish or turkish "atrocity propaganda" against the ancient greeks.
anybody here who knows about this and has not accumulated all their knowledge from jewish hollywood movies?

Why are jeets so grotesque

>>521258217 (OP)
Not reading that kike garbage. Gas yourself, shlomo.

>>521263399
And conversely if you don't feel disgust at pedophilia, that means it's right.

>>521264040
Who doesn't, though? I honestly suspect that even those engaging in it know it's wrong.

>>521263983
>>521262996
Please read the OP first.

>>521258217 (OP)
You shouldn't do, just like putting dick in another man's ass or like wanting to fuck old women. That said, if for any reason (genetically, trauma, mental illness,etc) you have pedofilic tendendicies, we live in the golden era of internet and AI, you can cope with lolicon/shotacon and AI porn, to keep "the hunger" at bay.

That's it, it's wrong and if you have "the hunger", you will have to live with it and control or kys if you can't.

>>521261528
>You're basically just ruining someone's life before they understand how to think for themselves on even a most basic level for your own sick indulgence.
Why is it assumed that sexual relations as a kid "ruin one's life"?
I'm not saying this doesn't happen, just that it's a common assumption that people hold without justifying this claim.
I tend to think modern people in advanced countries are overly dramatic about things, turning ordinary events, bad ones and even neutral ones, into life changing and life destroying events so they can whine about how "traumatized" they are.
Meanwhile, people from places with serious problems that a modern person wouldn't be able to withstand for two days without breaking down in tears somehow just manage to get up everyday and go about their business without whinging about every last supposed childhood trauma they ever endured.
First world problems from a first world mentality that makes mountains out of molehills

>>521261594
>ok but can you call it hebephilia to separate it from actual pedophilia which is a hundred times worse. boinking a fully developed late teen should not be the same level of crime as boinking a 7 year old and yet you act like its the same thing. one deserves a light prison sentence and the other deserves life in prison or the death sentence
I'm not getting how sex with a 17 year old even deserves a "light prison sentence."
This is about as normal as behavior gets across history and the world.
It's only modern ultra-prudes, just in the past ten years or so (since Me Too), that have ever even thought it abnormal for an adult to have sex with a late teen.

>>521258217 (OP)
Sometimes nonsensical myths/ideas spread throughout a population. The immense fear and stigma of pedophilia is one of them. I don't see what is so wrong with an adult man penetrating a 13 yo girl. It is just meat rubbing together. And if the girl and the man are both okay with it, then what is so wrong with it? Does a similar line of thinking not apply for a younger girl? Or with different genders? What is wrong with touching your partner's genitals so they feel good? Society treats sex as if it were sacred. I think that christianity may have been a large influence in that. Maybe the ancient greeks were more open minded about sex because they didn't have a set of beliefs like christanity that discouraged thinking/exploring sex?

>>521264500
It depends on the individual. For example, I got bullied and as a result I've become a murderous hothead. I acknowledge, however, that there exist people who've been treated far worse than I who turned out to be perfectly well-adjusted people. Or so I would assume.

>>521261909
>Also apparently positive statements about the beauty of holy intercourse are beyond AI guardrails xD
I think he's right, and not an AI bot.
We all feel a certain revulsion and just ickiness right after the orgasm, like we knew already that sex is gross but were too horny to stop ourselves, but right when that arousal or lust stops, with the orgasm, our rational thinking returns and we realize how gross what we just did is.
Yes, sex is degrading to the one who does it and the one it's done to. It just degrading and lowly and gross. The sexual libertines who love lots of sex are just degenerate and have malfunctioning rational faculties if they don't have this knowledge and that natural reaction of revulsion to sex.

>>521258217 (OP)
To be honest all of us are just programmed to a set of norms where some things are desireable and some things are reviled. The average person with any sense of paternalistic feelings will find it naturally despicable, but the reason it's so universally and socially condemned is simply due to social programming in modern society. Because people follow norms well and live as expected, they associate childhood with going to school and being taken care of by adults that treat them like toddlers. So the idea that someone who's younger than 18 should ever fall in love with, or end up with a male above age, or vice versa if it's a young boy and a 30 year old woman, is extremely at odds with how we've been programmed.

Thus, people who are into these things (like JP Morgan & co) are usually people who already didn't follow programming, and went off-track by their own volition. They already don't see anything you shouldn't do, or can't be done, so it becomes one more border-crossing act of behavior to them, which is why Trump went along with Epstein, despite not being especially attracted to minors from what I can tell.

As for more generally pedophilic males, I think the issue is often autism or other forms of lacking social development. Low self-esteem is a big factor as well.

The other factor to hatred against pedophilia is simply that anyone with a violent gene has an excuse to threaten someone without fear of getting police after him. This is why Pedo Hunters emerge. They're so eager to kill someone, but not psycho enough to turn into killers who kill innocent people, that they look for "evil people" they can physically abuse and feel like it's a good thing, for the same reason that pedos probably think what they're doing is good, despite everyone else finding it truly anti-social.

>>521264644
well you have to set a hard age limit somewhere. its not practical to examine each case individually and test the teen for breast size or puberty development etc, just set an age. its actually 16 in most states. and so there needs to be some punishment for going under the limit or whats the point of the law. maybe the aoc should be lowered you could argue that, i dont know, 16 seems fine to me. 14 was aoc in canada back when i was in high school. 12 is too young as plenty of 12 year olds arent even pubescent yet though some are but because many arent and we need a hard age limit somewhere for practical reasons 12 is out.

but the key point im making is that its not even in the same ballpark and that is bullshit to be implying that boinking a 7 year old or a 17 year old is the same crime.

>>521264846
>We all feel a certain revulsion and just ickiness right after the orgasm
nope. i feel absolutely no guilt about jerking off or having sex. if it was good sex i feel great. and i think im in the majority on that one. not everyone has weird guilt about sex.

Children lack the intellectual and emotional maturity to be in a relationship with an adult. It's no different to a triple digit IQ adult associating him or herself with a borderline retarded person or anybody with significant arrested development. Personally I would not associate myself with anybody three or four years younger than me.

Dating girls as young as 15 is not exactly paedophilic as they are not prepubescent children but it is still sleezy. I would argue to is more immoral to be in a meaningful relationship with an adolescent female than it is to pump and dump them because of the significant neurological developmental differences between (lets say) a 25 year old man and a 15 year old girl leaving the latter prone to being the manipulated by the former. Of course seduction is manipulation in itself.

Society intuitively accepts relationships between adolescent males and adult females because people understand subconsciously that the former is more rational and mature than the latter as they are masculine beings thus it is not seen as manipulation on the part of the females. After all - it is the nature of males to court females. The truth is once you reach adolescence you enter the same social hierarchy as grown adults especially people in their 20's. After all for That's why young adults should not be allowed to work in public schools unless they are exceptionally mature. Keep in mind the cases of female teachers sleeping with their students are just the reported ones.

>>521258217 (OP)
This thread is pointless. Mods will just ban anyone who who has forbidden opinions.

>>521265812
the average 15 year old female has more experience with relationships and sex then the average 25 year old man these days. which isn't right and doesn't excuse anything but explains things somewhat. you say a 25 year old and 15 year old should be on entirely different developmental levels and they should be. but the average 25 year old male has arrested development from lack of experience while the average 15 year old female has accelerated development from too much experience with young chads. i exaggerate and generalize somewhat

>>521258217 (OP)
It would be so cool to watch these giant statues come to life and fight each other.