Thread 521325293

Tough pill to swallow,
I know.

>>521325293 (OP)
LOL absolutely dellusional or dumb as a cow

>>521325293 (OP)
protestantism is

>>521326659
Earlier. The schism is the real source of the problem. Catholicism itself was not righteous, which is what led to Protestantism. Orthodox has been righteous, but the schism is their fault. None of this stops until everyone comes back into the Catholic fold, and Catholicism itself stands on trial with the other branches for what it's done.

Yes it will, no matter how much you deny it

>>521326659
Which is Christian

>>521325293 (OP)
Pretty sure it's the non-Christians who pushed secularism in the West.

>>521325588
Not actually a rebuttal.

>>521325293 (OP)
Universalism may be considered a defining aspect of premodern empire. The concept of world empire began in the Ancient Near East (and later independently in China and pre-Columbian America as well) and was disseminated via the Hellenistic empires to both the Roman west and the Parthian- Sasanian east. The Roman imperium sine fine in due time became the best-remembered instance of the ideal. In the Middle Ages and Early Modern Period various Christian and Islamic empires claimed a Roman or Roman-Persian heritage of world dominion, among these the Carolingian, Byzantine, Umayyad, Ottoman, Mughal, Austrian and Russian empires. Thus the notion of world empire has no simple genealogy.

>>521325293 (OP)
Might is right, by Ragnar redbeard, and a return to Germanic values will return us back to glory. The irony is that “christianity” in the west is so heavily influenced by Europe, and yet modern christcucks want to double down on the Abrahamic part, instead of the European part. The best case scenario is that christianity is thrown into the trashbin of jewish antiquity where it belongs, and a new religion for White men, by White men, arises from the ashes.

>>521325293 (OP)
>jesus
>liberal
He would put you to death. God will forgive you later, bitch.

>>521325293 (OP)
Wrogn sqgna heretic and gay shit you arw nugger get off this board

>>521325293 (OP)
Christ =/ Jesus

>>521325293 (OP)
right, because empires with multiple ethnicites, tribes and religious practices didn't exist before Christianity!

I swear, you should fucking blow your brains out. How can you be this retarded?

>>521325588
Jews arw racially fucked up and libeelaism.ia no moandxhybor democracy amd no geace gor h I'll finesse purity perfection justice you are a sagnic nigger

>>521325293 (OP)
Hello son, kill yourself

Christianity was around for 1700 years before the industrial revolution began.

>>521328736
Which ones became better as they became more diverse?

>>521328458
Jesus was a cuck who cared about criminals, illegal immigrants, the diseased and the poor while his own people were being subjugated by a foreign invader. So a dumb liberal yeah.

>>521328816
>Which ones became better as they became more diverse?
which part of this was in OP's post?
changing the argument because you can't defend it? Admit it was a retarded notion first, then I will answer your dumbass question.

>>521325293 (OP)
Christianity also gave us Capitalism, btw, which is the greatest invention of mankind.
Read Max Weber.

>>521328981
I’m responding to your post, you stupid fucking nigger. You made the claim that multicultural empires existed before christianity and I asked you which ones became better as they became more diverse. Now, answer the question, you cock sucking faggot.

>>521328197
Christianity was the hegemon. Everything non christians asked for, christianity had to allow or disallow.
(They allowed everything)

>>521326823
The eastern churches are mostly under the thumb of Muslims.

>>521328369
No. I am talking about universalism. Not the concept of Empire.
The Romans said
>we are all distinct ethnicities
The Christians said
>one race the human race. We are all children of christ and his moral law is written on our heart.

Pagan Rome would understand Indians as biologically desolate. Christians underdtand them as equal in all ways to Europeans and Jspanese. Lacking only education and oppurtunity.

>>521325293 (OP)
TRVKE. I was just listening to Bowden and he brought this up. Anyways, friendly reminder the most "right wing" or "Traditional" or "Conservative" individual now days is merely fighting to preserve a form of secular liberal faggotry from say 20 years ago. It is all nothing but a separate tag or label of Liberalism. Yet the vast majority of great nations, states, and empires ofthe past would be considered "extremely right wing" by todays standards. no one will read this, let alone think about it because nu/pol/ is a bunch of midwit Trump faggots that thought casting a vote would change the world. Democracy is fake and gay. Voting is mob rule. Niggers flood your nation, yet you want to give them a chance to dictate policy? Are you fucking retarded? There is no "based black guy". There is no "based gay dude". We don't want you in the movement. Kill yourself. Brownoids go home. We don't want you here. oh yeah, Fuck Israel and Fuck Jannies. That's about all, peace out.

>>521329376
>You made the claim that multicultural empires existed before christianity
they did.
> I asked you which ones became better as they became more diverse. Now, answer the question, you cock sucking faggot.
this is a different mater entirely.
admit OP's post is retarded first.
I have no interest in arguing with dishonest retards.

>>521328455
95% to 98% correct

>>521328458
Name 1 (1) person Jesus put to death

>>521328736
>doesn't undestand that Christian philosophy preaches universalism
>misses the point entirely
>starts talking about empire???
You are retardrd holy shit. You should blow your brains out.

>>521328772
And...?

>>521325293 (OP)
the vatican perverted the teaching of the bible to rule the world. christianity is not the problem, the vatican and pope are.

>>521326823
>None of this stops until everyone comes back into the Catholic fold
the whore of babylon and her children
the vaticans wet dream

>>521330561
Correlation does not equal causation

>>521329960
Where in OPs post did he say that multiculturalism didn’t exist before christianity, you ESL retard?

>>521330564
>Nooo! It was the Catholics! Not we happy clapping kike worshippers and zionist golems!
LOL

>>521330491
empires are, by necessity, universal. An empire is defined as a collection of several nations, kingdoms, provinces, etc., under the rule of one authority.
An empire only becomes an empire once it was taken in other outside groups, due to their expansionism, as tribes do not develop in a vacuum.
Thus, Christianity can't be the father of globalism or universalism, as empires which aimed at conquering the entire world, predate it's existence.
>>521330741
>Where in OPs post did he say that multiculturalism didn’t exist before christianity, you ESL retard?
It says it is "the father of". Do I have to explain to you how the father has to come before the child?

>>521329934
Who is Bowden?
But yeah
>conservative
Conserving what tho? (The status quo of 20 years ago)
>traditionalist
Which Tradition tho? (The one that birthed the Status Quo of 20 years ago)

>>521331034
who do you think created zionism.

>>521330564
>real christianity hasn't been tried yet!

>>521325293 (OP)
wrong. protestantism is
it destroyed Christendom, and paved the way to the french revolution

>>521325293 (OP)
We need racial unity not religious unity

>>521325293 (OP)
what is tower of babel for 500 Alex

>>521330700
How is that remotely relevant to either point?

>>521325293 (OP)
Actually it was freemasonry and jews but whatever you say kike

>>521328197
But it starts in christgolemry

squares are circles

>>521329232
Rome was capitalistic with slave characteristics

Can’t even spell secular

Brava, nimrod

>>521325293 (OP)
>2000 years of christianity
>last 50 years manifest abject obscenity
>happens to coincides with jew worship by the strongest country on earth
>IT'S CHRISTIANITY GOYIM, HATE YOUR GOD

You're the blackest gorilla nigger

>>521331042
And where does he say it’s the father of multiculturalism, you dishonest fuck? Save your pulpul for someone else. You twist the truth and give half answers, you dirty kike. I hope your mother dies slowly from cancer.

>>521330564
Vatican invented the bible, what are you talking about

>>521331210
The jews. And evangelicals enabled, protected and promoted it.

>>521325293 (OP)
Kike lies.

>>521331042
>still screeching about empire
>ignoring the point that christianity is fundamrntally philosophically universalist. As in, it preaches the universal value of peoples

>>521325293 (OP)
Judaism
Is the father
of
liberalism,
secularism,
universalism.
Globalism.

It got us into
this mess,
and only by eliminating it and them will we be free from it

>>521331646
Kike

>indian country flag
>imagine including white background and black text
>anti-christian subject
good morning saar

>>521325293 (OP)
No. You can’t even spell correctly.

>>521325293 (OP)
Christian europe discovered and conquered the world. They didn't land in foreign shores and slaugther every man, woman and child thanks to tolerance. That kind of mercy is what makes one human and not a rabid nigger.

That is not the same as allowing foreign sandniggers to colonize you without fighting back. This same christian europe banded together to prevent Islam from taking over Europe and the most important sea trading routes.

But you already knew that, kike.

>>521325293 (OP)
>None of those existed before Christians
How much petrol does it take to be this stupid?

>>521331355

>>521331246
Christians holy shit.
You look at history like this
>X happened. Then, X just popped out of the ground
Reality?
>Catholicsm gave birth to protestantism brcause of inherent flaws in the Catholic way. Protestants gave birth to Atheist world, due to inherent flaws in the Protestsnt way. ALL of this stems from inherent flaws in the CHRISTIAN way.

>>521328197
> Pretty sure it's the non-Christians who pushed secularism in the West.
It’s the kikes.

>>521331525
>And where does he say it’s the father of multiculturalism, you dishonest fuck? Save your pulpul for someone else. You twist the truth and give half answers, you dirty kike. I hope your mother dies slowly from cancer.
globalism and imperialistic expansion imply multiculturalism, you fucking retard. That's the entire point. You really struggle with this, huh?
>>521331630
>As in, it preaches the universal value of peoples
without this, you have no claim to whine about being killed, replaced, genocided, enslaved, etc. Your very gripe about Christianity is reliant on the Christian value that you are valuable. Otherwise, your decadence is nothing but the natural result of your own incompetence.

>>521325293 (OP)
Paganism will. Paganism shall rise against Christcuckery. Paganism shall get us out of this mess and absurdity.

>>521331320
Christianity was the hegemon. Everything jews asked for, Christians had to allow.

>>521331475
Not an argument

>>521325293 (OP)
indeed. Constantine royally fucked over the world when he embraced Christianity

>>521331478
Weimar Germany was majority Christian.
The French revolutiin was majority Christian.

>>521331614
Not an argument

>>521332002
It's not a meme, imbecile

>>521331794
>kahlistani flag
Good morning sar

>>521328455
> Might is right
Enjoy your anarchy and fall to the Stone Age you paste eating retard.

Modern secularists dismiss this idea of morality as otherworldly superstition imposed by a killjoy clergy; but, in fact, Christian moral standards are the ultimate utilitarian for human conduct and the foundation of Western civilization.

“Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back.”
― Donald Kingsbury

>>521325293 (OP)
>Liberalism
Comes from English civil war
>Secularism
You're a retard for this. Secularism = separation of church and state by definition. Therefore a lack of Christianity is what causes secularism, dummy.

>Universalism
From the Universalist church of America, which is rejected by main body churches. Try again.

>Globalism
Started due to post world war 2 relations. Not Christianity.

You could have just been honest and said "I am angry that Christians are against killing and murdering my ideological opposition" and you'd have at least maintained some dignity. Instead you had to be a pussy and pull out bullshit from your own ass and didn't even bother to research the origins of the things you listed.

>>521332002
I am more right wing than you.
And yes.
None of these movrments existed before Christianity.

>>521332191
Yeah yours isn't. Christianity has nothing to do with the current bullshit. This is american jew worship. Christianity couldn't even convert the muslims in 2000 years, what "universalism" is it? Christianity forced Galileo to recant, what secularism is it?
Christianity still said gays don't go to heaven. What liberalism is it? And globalists are literally importing muslims and promoting atheistic consumerism. You're completely fucking delusional

>>521332666
kind of true, but globalist ideas have always been circulating the collective mind. Race, as understood today is a rather new concept.
>>521332063
Nietzsche himself was a pan-european thinker. This isn't a "frankfurt school" idea.

>>521332784
>None of these movements existed before Christianity
For one you are wrong. Secularism predates Christianity, originates from ancient Greece. The notion of separating religious beliefs from national law is older than Christianity.

For two, your logic of "it didn't exist before Christianity = Christianity is the culprit" is low IQ tier vomit. It didn't exist before Buddhism either. Buddha to blame? It didn't exist before the Viking raids. Danish to blame?

You are an imbecile.

>>521329905
>>one race the human race. We are all children of christ and his moral law is written on our heart.
There's nothing universal about this. It's an anthropocentric superstition.

>Pagan Rome would understand Indians as biologically desolate.
The denial of the reality of races and peoples comes in with modern liberal internationalism. Even the early church recognized that a baptized jew was still a jew. Rome would have recognized the caste system, not "biological desolation". Rome also had the concept of "ius naturale", which proposed a universal set of laws based on reason and justice, believed to apply to all beings. The ius gentium was a particular manifestation of (or derivation from) ius gentium, applying only in the Roman world. The concepts of both ius naturale and ius gentium are foundational to modern human rights law and international law.

>>521332077
>You can't complain about YOUR genocide unless you support the universal value of ALL PEOPLE
this retard has no idea what an in-group preference is lmao (because Chritianity is terrified of the in-group preference)

>>521325293 (OP)
Because Christianity is Judaism, and all Judaism that has been injected into our culture is a cancer.

>>521329934
100%
trump and his mulatto migger gang are faggotry and jew and pedo loving liberals just slightly right of straight up gulag driven communism.

>>521333087
>this retard has no idea what an in-group preference is lmao (because Chritianity is terrified of the in-group preference)
no, you fucking retard. I'm saying that your crying about it has no moral value at all. It is simply the whining of a seething retard who is butthurt about losing. Under YOUR OWN value system, you have no moral claims to the preservation of your people, as their disappearance is just the consequence of your own failure.

>>521333079
>there is now Jew nor Greek. Only the children of GOD
you argue as dishonestly and semantically as that faggot jay Dyre.

>>521333129
This.

>>521333289
>just slightly right of straight up gulag driven communism..
Stalin's "socialism in one country" had way more in common with national socialism than it did with liberalism.

>>521333568
>>521333129
so, which one is it? are jews bad because they are universlists who want to degrade society? or are they bad because they have in-group preferences and stick together, favoring each other over outsiders?
And why is this any different from what you want?

>>521333370
>zero counter argument
>devolves into yelling and crying
I accept your forfeit.

>>521331646
>Judaism
>Is the father
>of
Christianity
which is the father of
liberalism,
secularism,
universalism.
Globalism.

>>521325293 (OP)
yeah, so many people don't understand that liberalism, national socialism and communism were just options to save christianity which eventually made a choice of liberalism...and this is where we at now. 2 thousand years in the making and it was a dud, just a culture destroyer.

>>521325293 (OP)
I think Jesus was one of the few good Jews. I like his message. Doesn’t mean you should worship him, or anyone for that matter.
Religious people in this century are larpers. They refuse knowledge when it doesn’t align with the book, because they’re mentally lazy or just stupid.
Of course the Jews took advantage of this weakness at an institutional level, and now more than a billion people worship a Jew.

>>521333748
>zero counter argument
just because you are too stupid to understand it, it doesn't mean it's not there.
try again.

>>521333736
Friend enemy distinction.
Hadrian had an in-gtoup preference, so he destroyed Judea.
Chtistians have zero in-group preference, so they built Israel.

Its Us vs Them, and you are a faggot for arguing otherwise.

>>521333751
Gottem

>>521334021
>Friend enemy distinction.
>Hadrian had an in-gtoup preference, so he destroyed Judea.
>Chtistians have zero in-group preference, so they built Israel.
>Its Us vs Them, and you are a faggot for arguing otherwise.
that has nothing to do with what I asked. Which one are da jooz guilty of? it can't be both, as they are contradictory. And, if it is the latter, why do you fixate on them, when they are just doing what you would do?
who is your "friend"? you're hardly german, roman, iberian, celtic, etc. If you just say "whites", then you are arguing for pan-europeanism. which you just condemned.
If you say "australians", you have to define it, does this include abbos? I doubt it.
Your ideas are retarded. They're not even yours anyway.

>>521334379
I'll go slowly because you missed my point. Probably my fault, i'll own that.
So:
>it is Us vs Them
>they, the Jews, recognize this, and have an in group preference
>to fight against an in-group preference, you must have an in-group preference yourself
>Us (our in-group) vs Them (their in-group)
>but if you convince one side not to have an in-group, the battle instantly ends, and the side with the in-group wins.
>In-group preferrnce Rome, destroys Judea. Hard.
>suddenly, a Jewish created religion, Christianity, appears
>it preaches zero in-grop preference
>it is targeted at Rome
>Rome adopts it and collapses in under a century, Jews survive, and Synagouges pop up all over Europe

>>521335230
well said.

>>521325293 (OP)
christianity is the solution. your IQ is lower than fungi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbP2DgDp890

>>521333532
Nothing I wrote was dishonest. And the main point is that universalism is not anti-hierarchical. There is a strict hierarchy within the Catholic church, for example.

>>521335688 (HH)
atma (n.)

From PIE *etmen "breath" (a root found in Sanskrit and Germanic; source also of Old English æðm, Dutch adem, Old High German atum "breath," Old English eþian, Dutch ademen "to breathe").

>>521335230
>>it preaches zero in-grop preference
no, it doesn't do that. Their group is Christians, which is why they destroyed all pagan worship, or why they banned usury among Christians, or why they evangelized.
You are making a fundamental mistake in assuming that the only valid group is a racial one, when race wasn't even a concept back then, more like ethnicities, which were also poorly defined.
>>it is targeted at Rome
no, it wasn't "tagetted". Rome accepted Christianity after an emperor prayed to YHWH, in their land, and won a battle, which made him believe that these 2 things were related.
>>Rome adopts it and collapses in under a century, Jews survive, and Synagouges pop up all over Europe
Rome did not fall as a consequence of Christianity, they had been experiencing problem for several years and had many crisis before. Like every other empire, their oppressive practices towards conquered lands gained the enmity of the oppressed, their losses against germanic tribes were also devastating and the invasion by barbarians, the insane amount of corruption in the governmental body of the empire, etc.
To say that it was "christianity" is utterly retarded.

>>521332651
So what problem was solved by making it illegal for anyone except jews to lend money?

Too long didn't read

>>521325293 (OP)
It's absolutely true

>>521325293 (OP)
Christ did not come to Earth for you to make your civilization great again. He came to save your souls.

>>521328458
Luke 9:51-56

51 When the time came for Him to be received up, He was steadfastly set to go to Jerusalem,
52 and sent messengers ahead of Him. They went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make things ready for Him,
53 but they did not receive Him, because He was set to go to Jerusalem.
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elijah did?” 55 But He turned and rebuked them and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of.
56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.

>>521328739
Holy fucking mumbaix translate, batman