Thread 521333975

Should have stopped here and watched the West and USSR collapse due to their incompetence.

France was already negrofying at an alarming rate and so did the US. The Soviets were too retarded to be a threat long term. They can't even figure out fucking economics.

That's the fucking problem, they wanted everything way too fast. They would have achieved a long term victory, if they kept their race pure, but they wanted to rush fucking everything.

you are probably right, but they would've fuck with it, like with sanctions or even blockades, etc. so it would make sense for them to gain more land and resource before Russia get too strong

>>521333975 (OP)
Russia was doing a mass army buildup with huge tanks that we never got to see because hitler struck pre-emptively, it's possible that the USSR committing to its retarded doctrines in this way would mean an eventual German victory, or that starting an offensive war would make them more vulnerable to terror bombing, but realistically Germany striking first was a logical, rational decision

>>521334409
>and resource before Russia get too strong
maybe it would been better to befriend them and then use the combined power of soviet union and germany to crush anglos.
but that would be impossible for various reasons like the leaders of each side giving up on their main character syndrome and ideology and the soviets not accepting the better offer from the anglos and hitler not betraying and stalin not betraying and many other factors.

>>521333975 (OP)
Most of what Hitler did was improvising. Ribbentrop had him convinced Britain and France wouldn't go to war over Danzig, and this approach had worked with their previous territorial recoveries. It was not unreasonable to suspect it would work again. We know this wasn't the case only through the benefit of hindsight.

It could just as easily have been the Sudetenland that kicked things off. In fact, even the Anschluß was riskier: Italy came very close to declaring war on Germany over it.

>>521334607
and stalin was not to be trusted, the guy wouldnt have a problem starting an offensive war, he did so with finland and the winter war and hitler was also constantly betraying so it was a matter of time until they betray each other.
also stalin got promised a huge amount of resources from anglos like the whole lend lease thing.
this lend lease is better offer to what the third reich could make.

>>521333975 (OP)
Germans were too obessed and fanatical for any long term plays. Hitler and Germans sperged out and fought everyone around them because it was their belief that they are superior and can do it.
Especially after the West have them Czechia for free and allowed Austrian annexation.

>>521333975 (OP)
Couldn’t have happened. Eastwrn Europe was utterly politically collapsing in the wake of the Anchluss. That was actually Hitler’s big mistake. When Hitler showed that the geographic dictats of the Versailles Treaty would not be endorced, he unintentionally caused rancor, chaos, and fear to spread across the new states in Eastern Europe. These new states were illegitimate in the eyes of many of their inhabitants. They entirely rested their existence on the appearance of potential enforcement of Versailles by the Entente. When Hitler anexxed Austria, it shattered this veneer. The region, going through eceonomic crisis, ruptured.

It was from thatbpoijtnon anmatter of time before all the countries borders shifted WITH OR WITHOUT germany’s intervention. Next, the soviet union took the opportunity immediately to enter the region. It began agitating these weak illegitimate governments with communist groups. Eventually, stalin struck a deal with one of the (many, rapidly interchanging) Czechoslovak governments. This was very dangerous militarily, as it directly threatened Germany’s ability to form a cohesive frontlinenin the event of any war. The Allies weren’t challenging these inroads whatsoever. The region was on the cusp of fragmenting further and changing, snd the soviets were about on capitalize on that.

That’s why Hitler went further.

>>521335031
Holy fucking phoneposting. Sorry for the awful errors, my garbage phone constantly autocorrects my spelling into incorrect spellings, and It’s too tedious to go through each word over snd over again trying to get around the broken feature. Sorry. I can repost it after 15 min of editing if anyone wants.

>>521334775
>Maybe it would have been better to align with a jew run nation that had various exterminations and pogroms of Germans within its borders, a nation hell bent on massacring European people

Really it would have been easy for Germany to win, he just needed to invade the UK, backing the Irish would have done it and was probably the plan, alternatively landing in the orkneys for a beachhead to secure logistics and using the graf zepplin in communication with uboats to scuttle air and sea assets positioned to intercept

Causing a UK surrender would be an immediate failure cascade for the allies as of 1941/42, the US would still aid in africa but this would tip the balance leading to German victories in Africa securing oil and possibly a Persian or Ottoman ally

>>521334607
>Russia was doing a mass army buildup with huge tanks that we never got to see because hitler struck pre-emptively
OY... AAAAGH THEY WERE GOING TO ATTACK ME I SWEAR THATS WHY I ATTACKED THEM FIRST
OY VE... AAAGHH STOP ATTACKING ME *STABS YOU*

>>521335228
Oh and >No england
Would mean that German uboat forces could control the straight of Gibraltar and the Suez canal, which essentially ends the war with the allies, war with the USSR would still be long and bloody with plenty of ways to lose, but it would have been much more successful for Germany, and may have lead to an easy victory via German occupation of Moscow
It would also mean Germany would be within striking distance of oilfields in the caucasus with potential allies nearby to help

>>521335334
Leaked plans which were later confirmed were the reason for hitlers attack, this is well known and documented

>>521335519
(((Leaked)))
(((Confirmed)))
(((Documents)))
OY VEY... AHEM I MEAN AAAAGH STOP ATTACKING ME I SAID STOP YOU ANTISE... YOU COMMIE BASTARD! *STABS AND ROBS YOU*

>>521335334
The evidence has been there for a long time that the soviet union was eventually going to attack the west. The modern debate online is really all about when that would be. If it would be 1947, 1942, 1941, 1936, etc. Personally I don’t think Russia would be ready for a war until 1942, and that’s the date I picked for when I think they’d invade. There is a lot of good evidence for this.

>>521333975 (OP)
You can't change the past. No point in dwelling on it. You can make a better future though.

>>521334999
>Germans were too obessed and fanatical
the issue was that the leadership of the nazi party was full of retards, hitler himself had no education in politics or any clue of the big picture, everyone around him is a yes man.
he was only riding on his charisma and convincing people and not on any experience in the field of world politics.
Göring was the number 2 and the guy was unironically an imbecile, drug addict, made promises he cant keep, taking on too many jobs, obese, obsessed with stupid shit and he was leading large parts of the german economy.
impossible to win with such people at the top.

>>521335228
>>521335467
I don’t agree at all that the Germans coupd have produced enough Zeppelins during their brief window of opporitunity when they had air superiority over southern england in late 1940. Maybe if they had produced a lot more zeppelins prior to the war.

Weren’t zeppelins very vulnerable to HE AA ammo in WWI?

>>521335228
>he just needed to invade the UK
the royal navy was too good and too big and they got massive USA support too and top tier technology.
and britcucks hate us so occupation would been very difficult.

>>521333975 (OP)
He didn't believe that the British Empire and France would kamikaze themselves into dust for fucking Danzig. He underestimated how jewish controlled these countries were at that point

>>521335675
>jews are jewing the history of a nation with a 90% jewish leadership
>>521335880
the Graf Zepplin was the German Aircraft carrier which got 90% finished as of 1941 but never 100% finished because hitler was occasionally very stupid, if used in the north sea it would be able to communicate with uboats and protect them from the air attacks that made them so dangerous to operate, as well as scouting military vessels for strikes, giving time to establish logistics and push down from the north conventionally

>>521335675
stalin literally attacked finland in the winter war, he also participated in the attack on poland.
he doesnt trust hitler and hitler doesnt trust him.
both are in their own ways retards so it was only a matter of time until the fight broke out.

>>521335675
>threatens Turkey to allow bases in Istanbul and Kars/Trabzond province
>threatens Germany in cutting off its trade if it won’t allow bases in Bulgaria
>demands German Allow slice of Iran if Germany overhelps the Iraqi revolt in 1941
It’s Stalin’s turn.

Stalin smiles and exhales. He leans his hands forward, and dropped his cards on the table, plainly exposijg which cards he held to hitler. Then he said: “check mate- your move”.

Hitler’s turn. He still had one card left in his hand.

>>521336031
If the point is to end the war then it doesn't need to be annexation, just find a stuart to form a puppet government
>None are left
I unironically am friends with one kek

>>521335677
>It was going to happen!
>Plenty of evidence!
>1947, 1942, 1941, 1936 you name it!
>Any other year now!
>We just had to attack them!
>What do you mean you want to see "huge tanks and actual military build up?"
>It was going to happen I swear! Look at these leaked documents! Verified by experts!
6 gazilion huge tanks and any sort of semblance of military build up was nowhere to be found in 1942 despite documents LITERALLY CONFIRMING Russia was going to invade 6 years ago / in half a year / in two weeks

>>521336104
Oooooh I am sorry man. Now I get it. Yes I completely agree that both italy and germany shat the bed with regards to aircraft carriers. Romania shat the bed too here. So did the soviets.

Really goes to show the measurable superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning. The japs were entirely trained by the snglos for half a century by that point. It explains why they were so competent here as well!

>>521336074
"What England does not achieve in this war, it will strive for in a second, and if necessary, in a third and fourth; it will certainly not give up, and peace will be just as welcome and useful to its goal as war. If self-abasement is to be regarded as suicide, then the humiliation of another can also be planned in such a way that it amounts to murder: that is what England intends to do to Germany. It does not want to kill, but to extinguish the inner light of life; to wean the nation off ambition - and with it its honour; to break the wings of its will - and thereby rob it of its dignity.
It is known - I hope at least - that it has finally succeeded in conveying to the Germans the news that leading circles have long resisted spreading - it is therefore known that Germany's enemies are pursuing the plan - ideal and power - to finally break Germany's strength; the coming peace should serve to complete this work. In this way the Germans are to be crushed - so that they never rise again; the Germans can then continue to serve the ruling English and Americans as industrious slaves as scholars, waiters, chemists, etc.
Our enemies see the Germans as the born destroyers of their method of civilization, the all-powerful Mammon, and they know that this is a fight to the death! England is pursuing the plan to become master of the world, to create a world monopoly for itself: it has destroyed or weakened into submission every state that threatened this plan; now it is Germany's turn; the hotheads demand its complete destruction, the leading politicians declare that they will be content with permanent weakening, with the reduction of Germany to the level of a Central European Spain."
- Houston Stewart Chamberlain, England & Germany, 1914

What Chamberlain meant by "England" here was nothing other than Jewry.

>>521336369
"This war is not against Hitler or National Socialism but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."
- Winston Churchill (in Winston Churchill, British Bulldog: His Career in War and Peace by Emrys Hughes, p. 145)

>>521333975 (OP)
>and watched the West and USSR collapse due to their incompetence.
the soviet union didn't collapse even after losing 50 million of its own citizens, starving them to death, and people literally eating each other in leningrad. what exactly was supposed to make the nkvd suddenly give up power lmao

>>521334864
Why coudldnt he send someone more competent than Ribbentrop to be UK ambassador

>>521336289
Instead of just mocking me, you could just ask me what I think. Why did Stalin have over a million paratroopers? Those are purely offensive light infantry units, and have no defensive capability. That by itself is so damning

then you have soviet political behavior as I just told you innmy other reply

>>521336205
>it doesn't need to be annexation
the goal should have been extermination but hitler had high opinions on the english people.
dunkirk should have been a slaughter for the british but he thought showing some goodwill would convince them, hitler was actually constantly begging them to stop.
anglos couldnt be trusted and anglos are very fond of jews and their entire jew infested peerage system should have been dismantled to achieve this:
>"None are left"

>>521333975 (OP)
>Should have stopped here
Wasn't gonna happen.

Jewish finance was already colluding to destroy the country and would've economically strangled them if they continued. The USSR was building up it's industry specifically to prepare for a war with Germany. Regardless of what happened after the war Stalin was very much a globohomo shill at that point.

>and here's the lynchpin
The Jews had instructed Poland to start mass killings of German citizens, which they did in Danzig and other areas.

There was no way for Hitler to avoid the war, realistically. The Jews weren't going to let Germany free itself of their stranglehold and serve as an example to all the world what Europe could be without Jews/Masons endlessly endeavoring to ruin things.

>>521336121
>>521336127
>Trust me! He can't be trusted!, he was going to betray any day
>That's why I betrayed first! After all he already cooperated with us!

>>521336501
>>521336298
>Fight each other goyim
Total shill death, jews are the cause of every trouble, and not enough people know about the city of london

>>521333975 (OP)
hindsight is 20/20

>>521336618
You’re not addressing anything I just said. If you think that grabbing control over all of hitler’s allies is not aomethign to react to, that just means you aren’t a serious person to have an opinion on this topic. Demanding control over the black sea countries and a slice of the middle east while you are at war with britain is super alarming.

>>521336520
>The Jews had instructed Poland to start mass killings of German citizens, which they did in Danzig and other areas.
wish that was true, but unfortunately poles are cucks who lack balls for these kinds of actions

>>521336645
You know I literally never said that, he did, I’m not that poster, but OK

>>521335334
>Russians are known for their high-quality posts.

You unfortunately, do not represent them.

>>521336618
so why he attacked finland and demanded land from them? or why did he join on the poland attack and didnt condemn it?
he couldnt be trusted and for hitler or anyone else there was no way to know what stalin was up to.
maybe he plans an invasion, maybe he doesnt, you never know with the guy. he gets up with the wrong foot someday and then you got a war, hitler was a similar type of guy. the war was always gonna happen.
they were both autists obsessed with military invasion landgrab bullshit

521336870
>The measurable superiority of the anglo mind
Hadrian 2028

>>521336853
The Poles were absolutely galvanized into rage against Germans. There are photos of german shops being burned, Germans being stripped naked. Granted by far the action was done by jews pretending to be poles, but the poles were unwilling to put a stop to it and in some cases joining in.

It is understandable that they felt threatened by German expansion, but this fear was also weaponized against them by the jews.

>>521333975 (OP)
>USSR collapse due to their own incompetence
They were building the worlds largest military in all ways aside from naval. You really think they weren't gonna thrust west? Barbarossa was one of the greatest military successes of all time for the first few months there, without the USA replacing critical losses just in time, Stalin may well have sued for peace as he often threatened to (at least towards the allies, probably as a method to pressure them for more support and additional fronts against Germany)
Declaring war on the USA in solidarity with the Japs was the retarded move.

>>521336645
>jews are the cause of every trouble
and anglos are more than willing to help them with that so they need to be exterminated.
I'm not saying all of them should been killed in concentration camps, but their country and culture should have been dissolved and the very few good people should have been integrated into the Reich where they would be forced to learn german and fully integrate into german culture.

>>521333975 (OP)
Jew communism in the form of the Soviet Union was aggressively expanding west. They had no choice but to fight.

>>521336948
Yeah, IN NAVAL MATTERS! I specifically said, IN NAVAL MATTERS! And Everybody at that time believed this! If the Anglos were not better at naval planning than the Germans, then why did the Germans shit the bed so badly on aircraft carriers prior to WWII? And Who pioneered the new technology? Anglos. That’s who. Who mastered the technology and its use in battle? Sure wasn’t the italians. It was Britain!

Saying that the Anglos had the best head for naval strategy doesn’t mean I wanted the Germans and british to have gone to war. Those are two completely different things…

>>521335228
>Ottoman
>in 41/42

>>521337030
It wasn't retarded but it looks that way on the outset
German logic was to unite with Japan in the british raj to tackle the Russian problem - Japan needed tanks to deal with Russia because they were nervous about a landwar with them after khalkin gol, while they also had to declare war on the US, as the US trade war was destroying Japan - prior to 1936 the US was Japans main trade partner particularly for oil

>>521336479
Stop replying to his bait you spastic retard.

We have thousands of documents from Stalin's own archives detailing his obsession with preparing the USSR for the war, starting before the Holodomor and the Great Purge.

You entertaining idiotic delusions from the historically illiterate (which you also are) and baiters is helping nothing.

>>521336479
I don't care what you think, you basic extremely selective stance it self is flawed to the point that you deserve nothing but mockery
>Why did Stalin have over a million paratroopers?
Why does NATO have 3.5 million active military personnel? For the same reason that Soviet union had 3.8 million before invasion, it's not a single fucking country but a union that encompassed 1/6 of entire earth

Here is a question how come ussr only had 3.8 military personnel and little to no tanks if they were going to invade in two weeks?
How come come ussr only started to actually build up army only after getting betrayed?
How come ussr was so unprepared despite going to invade literally tomorrow that it had to rely on foreign aid?

>>521336298
>>521337174
>>521336948
READ.
>Really goes to show the measurable superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning.
READ IT CLOSER.
>measurable superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning.
READ THAT AGAIN.
>superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning.
READ THAT PART.
>superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning.
OH WHAT DOES THAT SAY!
>involved in naval planning.
>involved in naval planning.
>involved in naval planning.
>involved in naval planning.
>involved in naval planning.
HOLY FUCK.

>>521337218
You're right, but I've been playing AoE2 too much so I don't care
>>521337174
>>521337060
>This euro good
>This euro less good
>Fight each other for kike enjoyment
I don't care what your reasoning is

>>521336985
It's upsetting because until the coup in 1936 Poland was actually an axis power, and that might have significantly changed the course of the war had it not changed

>>521336985
>It is understandable that they felt threatened by German expansio
given how west slavs were systematically genocided in the region from elbe to the oder river, i’m convinced their resentment and rage were justified

>>521337501
>Fight each other
its fighting the globohomo ideology itself at the roots. of course people would die over this. you cant just get rid of the extremely destructive globohomo jew finance ideology without breaking some eggs, the anglos had way too many shabbos goyim
captcha: 22gay

>>521333975 (OP)
To be honest you’re right, could have re-invested in German Industry and took the post-war Japan (or West Germany) route but with a larger united country. Instead of conquering half of Europe, just let France and the USSR collapse and take it over with trade and diplomacy.

Also if Hitler didn’t attack the East, it’s likely Stalin might have still attacked Poland and he could justify a war with them in alliance with the West.

>>521337525
Is there anyone who hasn't genocided you?

>>521337525
What you're talking about is the result of crusades and your retarded gay jewish nobility killing the lithuanian pagans, along with the teutons, who were majority slavic after the siege of riga

I think of all nations in the world calling Poland the jews bitch is the most accurate, it's not accurate today, but it was in its prime, not to say poland isnt white or that poland is somehow without history, but it's a damn shame what happened to the eastern pagans and to the serfs of lithuania

>>521337326
Lurkers might not know anything about history, they might fall for it unless I decapitate his lies. My boomer dad is like this, unless you meticulously debunk these shills woth details he’ll believe what they say over you.
>>521337417
Lurkers, this shill is completely lying to you. There were over 5 million active soviet troops by June 22 1941. Paratroopers are solely an offensive force, they cannot fight competently in defensive wars. At least a 1/5 of this number (1 mill) were paratroopers. He’s also completely brazenly lying about the tanks. The opposite is true, they had more tanks by June 22 than all other countries combined.

>>521337501
>Fight each other for kike enjoyment
Cool, I never fucking said that you jackass. I compared British and German abilities at sea to explain why Germany failed at aircraft carriers as opposed to Britain’s success with them.

>Daddy, daddy can u tell me a bed time story??
>The one when global jewry declared war on the Reich!

>>521337700
>Is there anyone who hasn't genocided you?
the soviets. we liberated germany together, remember?

>>521337774
Not to mention all the experimental shit coming out of stalingrad
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/kv-5-object-225/
shit like this, lots of fun back in WoT, but I imagine it wouldn't go 40kph in real life

>>521336797
You said nothing of value but mimicked hypothetical card play.
>>521336902
>why did he join on the poland attack and didnt condemn it?
>Why did he join me and not attack me?! He must be against me!
Uuuuh you know that little thing called being a non-aggression treaty signed on August 23, 1939 which included a secret protocol that divided Eastern Europe into German and Soviet spheres of influence
>so why he attacked finland and demanded land from
I might be tripping but I'm pretty sure Finland was offered a trade in lands that benefitted them and was far more favorable than outcome, yet whole thing ended with peace treaty that to this fucking day is not broken
Let me guess your next argument Stalin was going to take all of Finland but magically couldn't despite preparing to invade Nazi Germany any day.

>>521334775
>just ally with the jewish communists
Impossible.

>>521337917
The Soviets killed or drove out every Pole living east of the Bug riger. That’s a brazen and terrible genocide. You’re covering up the worst genocide of aLl time against your own people when you say this.

>>521337771
lithuanian pagans were literally allied to us, christian poles you gorilla retarded nigger. you're probably thinking of germanic teutons genociding ethnic pagan balto-prussians

>I think of all nations in the world calling Poland the jews bitch
it's inaccurate because everyone knows that would be united states. now go send some more aid to pissrael while your mutt citizens starve and drug themselves to death

>>521336419
People look at Russia, see an "over" militarized poor country and think it will "fall apart" if attacked.
When Russia switches to attrition (slow to saddle, fast to ride), secures materiel (USA in 1941 vs China in 2022) and grinds out a victory, the opponent is "shocked" at the ability to persist in spite of casualties.
Germans and Russians about as capable as each other (genetics).

>>521337774
>Trust me! Don't trust him goy I mean lurkers!

>>521337774
>Lurkers might not know anything
Most people can't tell their left foot from their right.
>they might fall for it
If we spend all our time worrying about what the retards who lurk these boards think we'll get nowhere.

Stalin literally OBSESSED day and night over an upcoming war with Germany. Read Court of the Red Tsar and stop getting distracted by low IQ retards.

>>521336853
They absolutely were doing mass killings of Germans. 30,000 in Danzig and Warsaw alone.

>>521338001
>a non-aggression treaty
they arent worth anything if they are written by people who cant be trusted.
thats kinda the issue, you can write anything on paper but if they dont honor the agreement then it doesnt work.
>Finland was offered a trade in lands
they didnt want to, instead of accepting their decision that they declines they got attacked.
>Stalin was going to take all of Finland
he'd take it over time if given the chance, the guy was a retard and unpredictable. another reason why he cant be trusted.

>>521338018
we've exchanged swampy ukrainian shitholes for well industrialized lands and baltic sea access. it was definitely worth it

>>521338016
>Impossible.
thats what I said, there is way too many obstacles for this to ever work out

>>521333975 (OP)
They had no choice. There is no way in hell international jewry would have allowed the reich to survive.

>>521338114
Until they weren't
>He doesn't know the terrible things that happened to lithuania under the poles
Polands golden age was due to jews basically stripping anyone not nobility of rights to the point of slavery and intermixing with the polish nobility, it's a much more complex situation than you think, most of what happened to poland is due to polish jews

>>521338331
>the reich to survive.
the reich was kinda shitty and badly organized and had too many retards in charge.

>>521336618
Just commiserate with everyone else that your grandfathers were fooled and forced to fight for the jews like America, England, France, Greece, Netherlands, Belgium, etc

>>521338167
>muh six gorillion germans
topkek, zero credible sources. massacres in numbers like these would be referenced in all academic sources
poles were always peace loving cucks, that's why we never genocided the teutons after clapping their cheeks
poland is like that meme with a boomer who just wants to grill

>>521338335
that's a christcuck problem and it happened everywhere in europe. maybe worshipping a kike on a stick is not the best idea if you wanna embrace ethnic nationalist policies

>>521338190
>They would betray us! Thats why we betrayed first!
Unfortunately for Finland it was not in position to decline, sort of like Poland at the time
>Let guess you will say A next
>A, gasp! That's why he can't be trusted!
I wish Stalin actually wanted to invade you, we should have killed every single yiddish nigger hiding behind nazi larp to this day.
Go worship your honorary muzzies / niggers / chinks / pajeets, all approved by Yidler, yet slavs are untermensch ay?
Answer me one question tho, how many jews did Yidler actually kill? Is there even one?

>>521333975 (OP)
Hitler was too kind hearted for the nation's own good. He should have offered support for Germans to immigrate into Germany from Poland rather than give jewland a reason to declare war. The jews and their goylem Churchill were looking for any reason to start a war with Germany and knew they could get Roosevelt to drag America into it.

>>521338761
They were called the "Danzig Massacres" and were the primary motivation behind the invasion of Poland. Also referred to as "Bloody Sunday".

Very funny, if you look it up on Jewgle. It gives you literally no results. Interesting how that wouldn't appear. Not even a debunk. Just straight scrubbed. Yet Yandex gives direct links.

>>521335334
pidrila, the soviet general staff had plans to invade Germany sometime in August-September 1941. There's volumes of archival documents that prove it.

>>521338634
Holy shit that's a lot of text. Usually I don't complain but damn

>>521339416
Hitler read over 3000 books in his life. Chop chop, kraut-san

>>521333975 (OP)
Does anyone have documentation of the french guy during the nuremberg trials (i think) that proved the amount of bullshit that the holocaust.

>>521338634
Excellent infographic. Thank you.

Hey, I have to go to work but just want to add tbis here for a moment: all of the “Churchill was against communist expansion” stuff you see online is bogus horseshit. Especially the stuff youbread about the Balkans He deliberately tried to bring Soviet forces and communsim into Albania and Yugoslavia. He actually had Agents and OSS jointly massacre pro-British non-communist partisan groups in both countries, by luring them to a meeting and killing them. He had plans to have Albania be a part of Yugoslavia, and he ordered that all Albanian communist partisans operate underneath Yugoslav Tito communist leadership.

You cant much about this little detail about churchill and the balkans online, but I want to use this opportunity your infographic provides me with to share it.

>>521339031
>Unfortunately
unfortunately they had a guy like stalin in charge of the soviet union so finland was fucked and if he could fuck finland he could get anyone else. would you trust Stalin? you'd be a fool if you did so Hitler had no choice.
>yet slavs are untermensch ay?
its actually more of a spectrum, untermenschen can be found in every race. imo hitlers idea of racism was incorrect in many ways.
>how many jews did Yidler actually kill?
6 billion jews perished in the great holobunga. claiming otherwise is illegal both in jewish occupied germany and in jewish occupied russia.

>>521339760
that the holocaust is*, I am having trouble digging to it

>>521338167
I know. I’n sorry man I am altruistic and I want to save them. I know I can’t. I cant help it.

>>521339215
>plans to invade Germany sometime in August-September 1941
Not really. Sure they had "plans" but Stalin and his cronies knew they weren't ready for a war until late 1942 at the earliest. That's why he tried to continually appease Hitler in order to buy time. He was even more paranoid of a Japanese invasion of the far East which nearly cost him Moscow btw.

When the Germans invaded, their advance shook Stalin so much that he had a panic attack and hid in his dacha for days. On a drive home from the Kremlin he drunkenly told Molotov "Lenin gave us this great state... And we've fucked it up..."

>>521339486
>Hitler read over 3000 books in his life
how do you know? might as well be bullshit numbers pulled out the ass or most of the books were useless crap.
just because you read a book doesnt mean you get smarter.

>>521339872
6 quintillion billion Jews died in the Holocaust but not a single hair was harmed on any German's head in Poland during the prelude to WW2 :)

>>521338634
>Source 1: Finnish spy fanfic about secret deals
>Source 2: mutt fanfic about being engeener in ussr with access to "state secrets"
>5 million soviets with huge tanks were going to invade in literally two weeks
>Actually 500k + 300k according to God knows who
>Commies deported 100k baltics! Feel bad!
>Nazis wuz luberatorz! Muh hohlodomor! Feel good!
This picture is as retarded as anyone who genuinely believes in holocaust

>ID: C7/xO0hT
This poster is Jewish btw :^)

>>521339918
>had a panic attack and hid in his dacha for days. On a drive home from the Kremlin he drunkenly told Molotov "Lenin gave us this great state... And we've fucked it up..."
At this point I don't know if you are all just fucking with me or genuinely this retarded.

>>521335675
the only reason u subhumans won the war is because of the Lucy Spy ring and the other ones , red orchestrra black orchestra. you were straight dogfood untermensch. You and the allies had all of the OKW infiltrated and new every single move they ever made.
Read Otto Skorzeny's memoirs.
real shame the Third Reich didn't win.

file:///I:/dokumen.pub_my-commando-operations-the-memoirs-of-hitlers-most-daring-commando-9780887407185-0887407188.pdf

>>521340193
Odds are infinitely higher of you being genuine son of jewish refugee with circumcised soul

>>521340051
>LALALALALALALALALALALALALA
The longer you go without denouncing the jews and acknowledging your country was occupied and piloted by the enemies of the Aryan peoples since at least 1917, the more anons will tune you out and laugh in your shilling face. You have to be more subtle desu

>>521339955
Realistically it's more around 500 lmao. Probably books about architecture and warfare. I doubt he would waste time with fiction slop. What would even be the point?

>>521338167
Stalin played his hand incredibly well.
Funny thing - Dr. Stephen Kotkin lays out Stalin's hand and decisions and he looks top tier.
When he tries to do Putin he believes NATO about the "drone incursions" and Putin comes order looking less rational than Stalin - why would Putin risk widening the war with pointless drone incursions?
he can't see drone incursions are likely NATO lying, as it did about the pipeline.
sad realization - Stalin needed to rob the kulaks to pay for industrialization or else he would have lost.
the kukaks were screwed, with or without murderous bolshevik-jew commissars.
the soviets needed slavery to survive the west (whether UK or Hitlet).
also sad - soviet elites knew the purges were excessive - but stalin was considered to be the best guy to run the shitshow. consider today and Putin- where is the lie.
sad one cannot blame kikes for all soviet problems without seeming a bit dumb/obsessed/crazy.

>>521340384
>my-commando-operations-the-memoirs-of-hitlers-most-daring-commando
AHAHAHAHAHAHA ok you've got to be fucking with me right?

>>521340534
He was described by his schoolteachers and few friends that even as a child, his schoolbag was always filled to burst with books. His personal collection during the Reich was among the largest private collections in the Reich, and of the few the jews didn't burn, loads of them are filled with his own annotations

>>521333975 (OP)
Saarland got redeemed

>>521340534
I'm not saying he didnt read anything at all but even 500 seems like a stretch.
and from his decisions and overall plans it doesnt look like he actually learned all that much. he was a good speaker and could write well no doubt

>>521340528
I denounce Talmud, Tanakh, I shit and piss on everything Jewish, Yiddish, khazarian, my country ceased to exist when yidmany got commies in control, my land has been occupied by god knows what kikes since then, whats next nigger, going to shit piss and cry posting more spy fiction or homosexual memoirs of yidlers strongest israeli commando?

>>521340551
>Stalin played his hand incredibly well.
Stalin made constant thunderous mistakes that nearly cost him the war/his life/the USSR itself.

He wasn't this stoic supervillain genius that many make him out to be. He was a bit simple, in the Georgian way. Folksy, affable, seen as relatable amongst his colleagues and as a Father amongst the people, things kind of just happened to come together for him in the right way.

But if the Tsarist secret police decided to execute him, he'd have been finished. If Kamenev/Zinoviev (people you've doubtlessly never heard of) decided to share with the Politburo Lenin's final will denouncing Stalin, he'd have been finished. If any of the NKVD chiefs had the balls kill Stalin, he'd have been finished (which he was btw, Beria killed him with warfarin).

He was down to a single division of literally a few hundred men defending Moscow in WW2. He was saved by news confirming the Japanese wouldn't invade the Far East, which allowed him to pull his million-strong armies out to defend Moscow. An incredibly risky gamble.

And as for defending Stalin's genocides? What a joke of a man you are. Putrid swine. Expropriations are a common event in history. Mass genocide and enslavement of tens of millions in Siberian Gulags is not. Nor was it necessary (as Beria showed, it wasn't even profitable).

Lots of armchair generals on /pol/ hand waving away crimes against humanity because they agree with certain Cults of Personality. You must love the Orange Zionist too.

>>521340873
>>521341047
yidlers whitest aryan

>>521333975 (OP)
Did you figure it out yet? Hitler wiped out half of your gene pool on purpose because he was a masonic kike

>>521341004
500 is easily doable if you have interesting in various topics like he did.

20 per year would only take 25 years to reach 500.

>>521341342
only midwits brag about the number of books they read and not the quality.

>>521341342
>>521341464
also just because you read it doesnt mean you get smarter. you could read a million books if you dont remember shit from it or interpret it wrong or read the wrong book then you are still as dumb as before. he did many tarded decisions and while a good talker he wasnt good at planning.

>>521341308
>hitler has a hand
I dont get it
>some coin with jew and swastika symbol on it
did hitler mint these?

>>521335031
I don't think you have any idea on what you're talking about.

>>521341677
Its a subtle version of the devil horns. Google Haavara agreement

>>521341122
I have heard about Kamaznev and Zinoviev. Stalin got lucky.
I agree with you about the NKVD chiefs being able to kill Stalin and not doing it. Do you think it was obvious to them that trying to kill Stalin was the best move? I can see why they balked. they didnt know they would succeed and survive.
it is odd to see the Cheka as being "soft" on stalin - but we see that today in USA. FBI has been surveilling the fuck out of americans and knows that many of them have anti-regime hearts. it tries to entrap them in crimes. the smart ones avoid the trap, the dumb ones make the news.
the Cheka, like FBI, was "too nice". compare to CIA.
I am not trying to whitewash stalin's crimes. I had blamed the jews but having learned more it seems there was a nasty fight and jews or no jews the kulaks weren't going to get to keep what they got out of the fall of the czar without the soviet empire failing.
I agree about japan. in retrospect, if they hadnt been so cautious things might have been totally different.

>>521342151
>Its a subtle version of the devil horns.
did he throw any other mason gangsigns? maybe he angled his fingers weirdly through random chance in that one photo.

>>521341122
the lack of gulag profitability and the pointlessness of things like he white sea canal (too narrow) has confused me. the shit makes no sense.
was that just like covid (in usa) where people go along because it isnt worth it to resist?
also the show trials seem insane to me.
can we at least blame that on the jews?
e.g. the nasty torture the jews did in Romania post ww2 - was that a russian sort of insanity or jew? I tend to think but for sadistic, paranoid, perverted jews being in charge it would not have happened.
I don't like trump. havent liked since he murdered Soleimani.

>>521341122
re Romania- do you think the "Stalinist" abuse in Hungary (e.g. the torture and show trials) - the red terror heading in to 56 - was stalinist? or was it jew? I tend to think if you put sadistic, jew perverts in charge of hungary, theyll do that sort of stuff.
why was that the best move for stalin? wouldnt it have been better to have less wasteful and cruel elites running things in the satellites?
e.g. why tolerate a "Shlomo Morel" running a torture camp in postwar Poland?

>>521341308
OH FUCK PECORINE IS TRIAD CLAWING!!!! ANIME IS LE EVIL MASONIC TOO

>>521341609
I read Nietzsche and I swear it made me retarded trying to comprehend how so many people thought that retard's babblings were profound.

>>521342151
>a subtle version of the devil horns.
Sometimes I reach into my coatpocket to grab a lighter.

If I were famous and someone got a picture of me doing that. A few days later you'd be on here calling me a Mason.

>>521342572
Hitler was subtle. Like how he pretended to be anti-Mason but was a Mason himself, pretended to hate Jews but was a Jew himself, the posturing was just reverse psychology manipulation.

>>521343294
Real Masons don't burn down all Masonic lodges and real Jews don't imprison the Rothschilds.

>>521342959
Pecorine need to up their finger placement game otherwise Britschizo will have to denounce them as Jewish satanists.

>>521342959
Anime is Masonic, thats why Japs are so mentally fucked today.

>>521343451
They didnt burn down any lodges. No Masons or Rothschilds went to prison.

>>521336298
> superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning
> superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning
> superiority of the anglosphere minds involved in naval planning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZS0RpOgdfQ

>>521343294
maybe the guy who made the photo was and just told hitler to hold his fingers like that so he looks cooler and so he did and had no clue its a jew handsign. and then later mason cucks say "see he a brotha"

>>521343576
I'll take your word for it based upon the ironclad evidence of Hitler's fingers being too spread out in one picture, which is the ultimate dogwhistle that he is indeed Masonic, Jewish, a homosexual, possessed only one testicle, and there was no list.

>>521342221
>Do you think it was obvious to them that trying to kill Stalin was the best move?
Yagoda the kike was caught off-guard. He thought his specific role was untouchable, until it wasn't.

Yezhov knew Stalin would eventually come for him, but he tried to compensate for it by becoming even more radical with his killing sprees. Which was ironically the evidence used to get him shot. He tried to kill Stalin multiple times but failed. He didn't have the balls to finish the job.

>>521342582
>the lack of gulag profitability and the pointlessness of things like he white sea canal (too narrow) has confused me. the shit makes no sense.
Again, it's because Stalin wasn't this all-powerful omniscient figure. He was quite simple in a lot of ways. He made very major fuck ups which he was lucky enough to avoid the consequences of. Murdering everyone who criticized him also helped.

One good thing he did was rid of the USSR of the Jews. It was founded as a 99% Jewish state. He wormed his way in and managed to purge it from the top down to the rank and file of all Jewish character. A remarkable achievement, and one which /pol/ adores him for. In that way he WAS very clever.

>>521342869
Just read Court of the Red Tsar anon. It's a fantastic book that explains this in better detail than I ever could.

>>521343692
Maybe youre a half German half Russian rape baby that why your brain is scrambled and you type like a fucking nigger

>>521333975 (OP)
Okay so why didn't Hitler transported the Jews to a diff place as planned, holoxcaust never happened and how could've he won?

>>521343800
Just use deductive reasoning if you have the mental capacity for it

>>521344622
If I see someone giving someone else a masonic handshake, I will consider that they are likely a Freemason. Then I will look for evidence to confirm this.

If I see someone spreading out their fingers in a way that displeases me, I don't denounce them as Satanists and burn them at the stake for their impurity. Sorry, I'm not Anglo enough to be that retarded.

>>521344373
feel free to post more proofs that he was a freemason. ad homs is a very strong indicator that your are losing the intellectual footing in the debate.

>>521344207
thanks very much for the book tip. I will check it out
in Jewmerica we get the (((neocon))) take on stalin, making it hard to get a reasonable view - S gets the evil AH treatment and he gets all the blame.
the russians were lucky stalin wrecked the jews as much as he did.
stalin didnt get rid of all the Jew though- the 90s and the (((russian))) mafia showed that. It was all kikes and they did crimes in the FSU, central europe, etc.

Having studied S's life, and how the cheka primarily was reading the letters of revolutionaries - and not treating like an insurgency and killing them - strikes one like today's FBI.
if/when the CIA gets involved in policing Jewmerica, theyll be going down their lists and killing people as they did in vietnam and everywhere else after. as shitty as FBI is they follow the law and entrap people fair and square. Hence smart people live like criminals (e.g. lawyer up), even when they don't do crimes.of course, that wont save you from being on a palantir list whenever they switch modes.
Does it seem as retarded to you as it does to me?
what do you think is rational? and what do you think of putin?

>>521334949
Stalin got btfo by finland, imagine trying to invade the 3rd reich

>>521345640
What is your take on kruschev cult of personality speech? It doesn't make sense what his motivation would have been.

>>521346180
>Stalin got btfo by finland
finland lost and had to give up land to the soviet union
>imagine trying to invade the 3rd reich
thats what he did

>>521333975 (OP)
Threads like this remind me that most white people are fucking retarded(especially Poles). Almost no one here has any fucking idea what the war was about.

>>521346298
my limited understanding is that kruschev did the less paranoid more hedonistic style of rule. stalin was threat-focused and focused on winning. so he demanded gaitn sacrifices from people.
if western powers or hitler is after you, you have to do S or you'll likely lose.
K signalled - time to relax & enjoy the spoils. he's signaling - "if you any scary S-like guys that want to bring back the nasty old days, report it and let's shut that down." a de-escalation among the elites. means more stealing, whoring and drinking.they can do that and sleep easy.
K is good for elites (in one sense). they can relax.
if you don't have external threats (nato) or internal threats (jews or other tribal types) who want to dominate and parasitize (see Jewmerica today), K could get people to calm down and stop murdering each other just in case (out of fear).
if you have external and internal threats, it seems you'll need a response to deal with it or you'll wind up like Jewmerica - jews have corrupted the entire elite and the whole economy (usury, drugs, porn) - and theyll still flood you with infinite niggers because they are afraid you night notice them one day and remove then from power - which a jew sees as being worse than death.

>>521333975 (OP)
sounds like a controlled demolition

>>521347190
Stalin was smarter than kruschev, who seemed to be more of an ideological true believer. For him to essentially join in with the (((neocon))) narrative especially when he did seemed like a strange move. An argument could be made that the elite had a more stratified society before kruschev. Anyway stalin and hitler should have cut up poland into a no man's land and left it at that, at least until the reich had dealt with the west first, but no way it would have lasted.

>>521333975 (OP)
Yeah just wait for them to create a false flag or find some excuse to drop a couple nukes on you. If they went as far as spending a boatload of resources into manufacturing the holohoax and guilt tripping millions of white people so hard that they even got away with stealing via reparations what wouldn't they have done. Look at what happened when the soviet union fell, the big nose tribe went scavenging all they could by putting the necessary puppet politicians and directly stealing from the russians. Don't you see we're inside a corrupted construct set up in such a way that no matter what moves Germany would have made they would have lost? It's kind of like a corrupted simulation but not exactly since consciousness can't be simulated. Don't you ever wonder how throughout this planet's history we seem to always get the worse outcomes and when things seem to reach rock bottom it gets even worse? War, disease, famine, rinse and repeat. Isn't it kind of strange we are living in this very peculiar combination of a planet with an abnormal diversity of genetics inside an abnormally empty universe? Also, ask yourself if the outcomes this planet went through are easily explained by what I mentioned earlier or if there might be even more hidden variables within all of this. In such a corrupt "simulation" you can't win by being honest or waiting, you have to behave like a schizophrenic boss of a mob, you have to be immoral, it's a setup.

Listen to the interview in mp3 format in this page and be as open minded as possible: https://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/nde-transcript.html

Also take a look at this: https://www.boredpanda.com/flowers-look-like-animals-people-monkeys-orchids-pareidolia/

>>521333975 (OP)
You should literally kys for being a retarded German(or Turk). Hitler had no choice but to pursue the path he took. Hitler's failure was in believing the Brits could be reasoned with.

In short, the Brits destroyed Europe. Not Hitler.