At what point did everyone turn on him, and was he ever actually any good

Only new marks who started watching in 2017 have an unfavorable opinion of Jericho.

>>18019540 (OP)
He was always good and still is, he only gets booed because he's a Trump supporter and the AEW crowd is so liberal they let political affiliations affect who they enjoy as a professional wrestler.

>>18019540 (OP)
AEW' swinnes are far from "everyone"

>>18019540 (OP)
must be when the kylie rae accusations came up

>>18019574
Exactly, who is "everyone"? This vague, self-important cult of internet wrestling fans seems to be omnipresent

>>18019557
>>18019574
>why is a heel getting booed?

HI GUYS! In the world of professional wrestling, a wrestler takes certain actions to achieve the desired reaction from the crowd! And I've been a professional wrestler for over 35 years, so I should know! THANKS GUYS!

>>18019540 (OP)
Him being fat and lazy in AEW while pretending it's the best work of his career really soured a lot of people on Jericho. For years, he was the guy that should have been the big star in WWE, and he finally gets a chance to shine and carry a company and he's just totally out of shape and not even trying.

>>18019540 (OP)
I stopped caring when they did that wanky circlejerk faction that was JAS

>>18019624
>fat and lazy

He cut the weight in like 2021 and never looked back. Also you got worked.

>>18019628
you too

around here

>>18019658
>Ass Eating Wrestlers

>>18019653
I'd buy it as a work if it was during his current Learning Tree era, but this was peak headliner Jericho and he was completely phoning it in. He's just milking the money mark until he decides to retire, then he'll go back to WWE for one last big paycheck, work a final WrestleMania, then sign a do nothing Legends deal and get put in the Hall of Fame.

>>18019680
Without Jericho AEW would not have happened, especially the way things turned out with COVID and Punk coming back when he did. They needed a recognizable wrestler in order to secure a TV deal, most likely, and Jericho was the guy.

>>18019698
Yeah, and he completely phoned it in, was out of shape, and his matches were dogshit. That's why fans turned on Jericho, which is the whole point of this thread.

>>18019540 (OP)
by the time he was the ROH champ and wearing stupid LionHeart gear it was over. Him being too self away and too fat was the end of the guy

>>18019658
kek

>>18019710
*self aware

>>18019722
>Egroid opinions

>>18019741
>opinion

>>18019540 (OP)
It was building up for a while but this feud was when he went completely over the edge into indefensibility. The match itself was easily AEW's lowest moment since they got out of Daily's Place. Obviously Adam Cole was just as bad here, but he was sawdusted and shouldn't have been cleared to come back so soon in the first place (even if it's his facial acting that made the feud so much worse)

>>18019557
Weird how Cody supports Trump too but the the marks ignore that conveniently

yeah I dunno why he lost the people it's a mystery

He absolutely was good. Not just good, great. I was never a massive Jericho mark or anything but imo I consider him better than Shawn. Dude could do it all, was gold on the mic, never let himself get stale, and could have a good match with anyone.

I don't really watch his AEW stuff because the little I have is embarrassingly shit. But I assume most people turned on him when they realized he was an out of shape has been who is clearly just there for a paycheck. Not to mention the delusions of grandeur he has about himself and about AEW for a long time. I'm sure being a Trump supporter doesn't help at getting the trannies riled up, either.

>>18019680
>>18019705
literal fucking headcanon lmao

You're still getting worked by someone putting on gaijinweight the better part of a decade ago.

>>18019871
cool blog faggot. next time just say that Jericho is a fat shitter and move on ffs nobody cares about your thoughts

>>18019540 (OP)
He was a good utility guy
unfortunately, he thought he was Austin Hogan level

>>18019898
I'm bored and felt like blogposting

>>18019756
WWE crowds are a general American crowd. Not fully left or right. Also WWE doesn't highlight politics at all. Not a peep about Black History Month. Not a peep about about Alphabet Month. Probably won't say shit about breast cancer month either. They completely distanced themselves from all of that. Which was a smart move imo. No point in alienating either side. I like it because while I'm watching wrestling I don't want to be lectured. I want to be entertained.

>>18019871
>who is clearly just there for a paycheck.

kek this bitch writing blogs over shit he doesn't watch

jericho has always been above and beyond in the ring and on the mic
he's one of the few guys left that know how to properly work the crowd

>>18019540 (OP)
When he went to AEW as an old fart and after decades of bitching about men in their late 40s and in their 50s only to do the same thing and just be worse.
He stopped being Jericho the character and became Jericho the person. He takes everything so personally and desperately wants you to think he is cool and act like hes still in his 20s or 30s.

>>18019916
>WWE crowds are a general American crowd.

Stupid and poor?

>Alphabet Month

kwab

>>18019924
>only to do the same thing and just be worse.

Oh yeah that politician Jericho going over everyone and...

>jobs to Bandido
>jobs to Hook
>jobs to Briscoe
>jobs to Orange (3x)
>jobs to Konosuke
>jobs to Hobbs
>jobs to Bruv
>jobs to Cole
>jobs to Roddy
>jobs to Ricky (KWAB)
>jobs to Andretti

>>18019941
wow that Jericho rub sure did a lot for those guys anon

>>18019941
Chris I don't care if you put over a bunch of loser tranny jobbers your words in your 30s and in your 40s expressed immense disapproval of wrestlers as old as you are now and have been.
I don't watch AEW but the few bits of noise I do hear about AEW is how much they dislike jericho.
Sidenote I think the senior citizen should retire and I would not feign interest in him elsewhere should he leave AEW

>>18019959
>I'm literally talking to the person I'm seething over

Do we have a name for this mental illness yet bros?

>loser tranny jobbers

He put over your family?

>>18019941
by general american crowd i meant ppl on left and right

>>18019979
>ppl on left and right
like this?

>>18019915
I'm not that anon but I enjoyed your blogpost

>>18019996
That's good to hear :)

>>18019957
if they're shit they're shit

>>18019553
I've watched jericho since he joined WWF in 1999 and he started being shit when he began reddit storylines/feuds with Kevin Owens. It's only been downhill since then, just too big of an ego to realize when he's putting out slop. At least vince could rein him back in WWE.

>>18019540 (OP)
His debut on wwf?

Dwayne started it

>>18019941
>>18019970
Jesus where did this nutcase come from?

>>18020010
the redditspacing aewcel is always here anon

>>18020014
That's fucking sad. Does he have nowhere else to go?

>>18020026
sadly he's confined to a wheelchair and has numerous retaining orders against him so his movements are quite restricted

>>18019989
damn these niggas switched up on me

>>18019624
this

>>18019540 (OP)
jericho was in GOAT contention for a lot of people as recently as 2-3 years ago. calling him top 10 all time, no one would even bat an eye at that.
it is only in the last couple of years that he has really started to get go away heat by just not being able to hack it anymore.
he was the perfect person to put the belt on first in AEW. and he could still go for a few years after that. i hope that he'll wrap up whatever the fuck it is he's doing by the end of next year and hang up the boots and people will go back to recognizing him as one of the best ever.

>>18019540 (OP)
>At what point did everyone turn on him
everyone outside of smarks turned on him during his y2j shit

People turned on Chris Jericho the person because he has become the very thing he used to speak out against when he was still in his prime, and still delivering great wrestling and elite character work.

He's the worn out, old-timer, blow hard who takes up screen time and thinks he is one of the greatest to ever do it(which is different to being one of the best to ever do it).

'We aren't booing you because of your effective heel work, we are booing you because you are simply awful' is what sums up Jericho now. He used to be great, but everyone else besides him has realised those days are long behind him.

>>18019698
>They needed a recognizable wrestler in order to secure a TV deal
Doubt that Jericho had any impact with that considering that they used him as the face of ROH to secure a tv deal but flopped
Id wager that the jaguars had more impact on AEW getting a tv deal than Jericho

>>18020010
It's never getting over chief.

>>18020032
I'm Mr GED

>>18020081
lol 4-5 years ago you had these exact same "people" bitching about him

>>18020093
If anything them using Jericho for the ROH deal is proof that they hired him for AEW's TV deal as well, so your logic is bad there. It just happened to fail now because Ring of Honor is a dead promotion and it's a different landscape than 2019.

>>18020093
>Id wager that the jaguars had more impact on AEW getting a tv deal

literal schizophrenic headcanon

>>18020086
He "takes up screentime" by...putting over the next generation?

Jericho is the definition of a solid B+ Player. Or was, I should say, he's pretty awful now.

>console warring so hard you begin to claim Jerichos in ring work for AEW is good
Okay, I love The Ayatollah of Rock n Rollah as much as the next man but this is getting silly. Outside of promos Jericho is washed and there is no shame in admitting that. His matches with Kingston were fucking embarrassing.

>>18020234
The 1st match against Kingston was easily one of his best in years though?

>>18020241
God help you, because I sure as hell can't.

>>18020249
At least you admit your inabilty to prove me wrong. Sorry your headcanon jobbed out to reality.

>>18019540 (OP)
He insists upon himself.
First he got fat and lazy.
Then he got fat lazy, and stupid
Then he got his shit together for a bit, started to get back in shape
Then he got hokey but that's allowed and it was somewhat appropriate for his age
Then he teased retirement and it was so well received he didn't retire
Then he created the Jericho "rub", a rub so good it grinded every new talent he worked with in the ring down
Then he created the 'Jericho vortex' often synonymous with the Jericho "rub" but also included established talent he was working with and against for extended periods of time
Then he entered the post-modern gimmick shuffle Jericho era with Vortexes so big it included factions and ROH.

On the surface level it's even admirable in some ways. He's extending his career beyond expectations, doing everything to be a effective heel, but it's while he is deteriorating as a performer, hogging spotlight and working other talent down the ladder. It generates the go-away heat more than anything when his skills and talents are applied in the wrong place, as a active wrestler instead of a effective manager - but he doesn't seem to understand that his time as a main character of his factions is over even if he has the biggest name recognition.
Seeing that for more than a year became too tiresome to care about

>>18020312
>headcanon
That's rich coming from the fag who thinks Eddie Kingston has ever had a good match.

>>18020197
>>18020211
This guy seems really desperate for attention

>>18019540 (OP)
Anon you know what happens when you doubt Chris Jericho, hm? You know what happens when you make fun of his make up? You know what happens?

>>18019540 (OP)

>>18019540 (OP)
For me it was since he started shitting up Nooj main events. So about Dominion 2019

His signature ability to 'reinvent himself' (the thing that he and smarks insist makes him the GOAT) should be called out for what it really is - the lack of ability to create a compelling character that has steam long term.

The real all-time greats never had to 'reinvent' themselves after they hit. Once they found the character that worked, they stuck with it, because people never got tired of it. All of Jericho's gimmicks have had increasingly shorter shelf lives.

>>18020318
Not enough YEET?

>>18020320
>projection

>>18019658
>>18019666
>Ass Eating Wrestlers

>>18020435
Jericho is bad...because he doesn't coast playing the hits?

>>18020435
>real all time greats never had to "reinvent" themselves
>once they found the right character that worked, they stuck with it, because people never got tired of it
>Hulk Hogan turned heel unexpectedly
>The Rock turned heel 3 times due to people getting tired of him
>Stone Cold had no need to turn heel yet he turned because Vince felt like doing it since he himself was bored of his character and knew that changing things up would be good long term knowing that people would've ended up getting bored of his character at some point
>Brock Lesnar got over with his dumb suplex city gimmick and became a lazy piece of shit and people got bored of him, so he turned into a retarded cowboy to freshen things up
>John Cena played the super Cena character for so long people shoot wanted him dead, celebrated his injuries and booed him for years until he became a part timer, and was no longer shoved down our throats, but even then people still begged him to quit being a boring stubborn faggot and change his character for once in his miserable life, people getting bored of him is the only reason he turned heel
>Kek Roman Reigns sucks
>Undertaker debuted as the deadman and constantly reinvented himself over the years with variations of the deadman character and also as the American Badass so he wouldn't become a boring retard
>Kane did the same with his character, Corporate Kane was shit and it only happened because he became stale over the years
>Edge didn't "need" to reinvent himself after he came back from retirement and could've gotten cheap nostalgia pops till the day he retired but decided to create Judgement Day because he got bored of being nostalgia bait
Kek you're delusional, Jericho is goated, now I give you, the text, of Jericho, READ IT ALL MAAAANNNNN

>>18020701
Literally the only good examples you listed are Hogan and Taker. The rest are either bad decisions (most of them quickly reversed), heel turns that retained the basic character, or slight adjustments. None of those are 'reinventions'.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan and American Badass Taker are legit reinventions, I'll give you that. But, those are exceptions, not the rule. The fact that those two were multiple years long, and in the attitude era isn't a coincidence, either. Jericho's 'reinventions' never last that long, and never have that long of an impact. Unless you count reddit upvotes for people referencing 'the list' as lasting impact.

>>18020218
That's what he always seemed to me to be. You used to see smarks call him the GOAT back in the day, but it was always a contrarian pick, rather than any real serious take. It wasn't until he joined AEW that suddenly people started pretending he was always in the same tier as Hogan, Rock, Austin etc.

>>18020435
>>18020701
>Randy went from legend killer, to rapist, to LOL I'M RANDY ORTON
>Kurt went from delusional heel, to comedy heel, to serial rapist, to perc angle
>Sting went surfer, crow and joker
>Foley had 3 incarnations too... at the same fucking time
I guess Flair was the only one that didn't change and they've been telling him to stop embarrassing himself and fucking off since the mid 90s, AEW' smarks are so fucking stupid it's actually concerning

>>18020753
What a coincidence, none of those four are all time GOAT status. Though Kurt at least was better than Jericho.

>>18020763
>those beloved wrestlers that have done it all, everyone remembers and stood on top across decades while reinventing themselves and drawing money? they're not the greatest
what a coincidence, you're mentally retarded

>>18020701
A LIL BIT OF THE BUBBLY

>>18020769
Name a time any of those four drew money. If Kurt, Sting and Foley were draws, TNA wouldn't have died.

>>18020776
>muh drawing power
kys meltzermark

>>18020776
>Kurt literally growing TNA by himself
>Sting still pulling in his old age
>Foley was completely flushed by the time he got there
moving the goalpost and not doing a good job at it

>>18020776
I didn't bring up drawing money
>>18020769

>>18020789
yeah bro, those guys never drew

>>18020795
does your enjoyment of shows or characters only depends on how much it draws?

>>18020802
>>18020769
>>those beloved wrestlers that have done it all, everyone remembers
you can't even read you dumb swine

>>18020810
you didn't answer my ding-dong diddly question ya finna pinhead

>>18020795
Correct.

>>18020732
The list gimmick was over everywhere not just reddit, all over social media it's still referenced to this day and back then Jericho would get big pops everytime he was about to put someone on the list kek it was good, he even brought it to AEW when he became champion there since he knew the gimmick was over in WWE so he could get more attention from WWE fans in AEW because of it, he could've easily stuck with that character or just bring it back again and it'd still be just as over, it's probably the most impactful character he's had yet, but even if his other reinventions weren't as impactful, Jericho still is easily one of the best showmen and entertainers of all time, he's got some of the most memorable moments, catchphrases and just presentation in general, the entrance, attire, theme songs and everything, and in his WWE run he used most of that core material till the day he left, so he could still play himself as a character long term if he wanted, but he chooses not to because Y2J loves a challenge babeh, now, would you please, SHUT, THE HELL, UP

>>18020701
Jericho has turned and changed character about as many times as all those you mentioned combined in AEW

>>18019540 (OP)
He’s booed because of his political opinions and everyone who doesn’t think so is a shoot retard. Mick Foley says some of the most retarded shit I’ve ever heard but because he votes for rightthink , nobody says anything. People talk shit about Cornette but nothing anywhere near as close as they would (and should, the fucking hick cuck) because he’s a heckin good boy liberal from Kentucky.

He needs to get back into a suit. But not as a strict Wall Street broker, but as an relaxed oil tycoon billionaire from Texas. He even has his own yacht.

>>18020701
boil them pigs

>>18021046
>cuckservative persecution delusion

>>18020776
If Hogan was a draw TNA wouldn't have died.

The shift happened after that fake accusation popped up.
The woke crowd turned on Jericho like they did Cody. Stupid marks ruin it for everyone

>>18019540 (OP)
Non-meme answer: Jericho was fantastic for a long time, even early into AEW. I still think he could take the book away from Tony (and with the help of some of the old ROH guys Tony hasn) fix alot of the problems, or fit right in back at WWE as an intermediary between HHH and Dwayne. He's physically broken and disgusting these days, but is still an incredible mind for wrestling and a penultimate carny.

>>18021387
>TK isn't experienced enough to book
>let's replace him with someone that has 0 experience

>alot

i remember hating his new japan run while people like meltzer glazed it. he was a clear step down from the top group there of okada, naito, omega, tanahashi. even a step down with goto, shibata, etc. but he'd take one of their spots in the later matches. it was annoying. he only got worse in AEW, the rock bottom was those 15 minute weekly promos, was it the inner circle or some shit? terrible

2013 when he waa feuding with fandango and ziggler is when he became corny

>>18019893
Take the wrestling fig out yo bussy, playa

>>18020551
>>18021301
Wrestling fig status?

The problem with Jericho is he's put over so many guys that being put over by Jericho is meaningless. Do you really wanna be in the same camp as Fandango?

>>18019540 (OP)
I don't think people have really turned on him, but he was definitely over exposed. Between Jericho and the Death Riders dominating every Dynamite I think both parties have benefited from Jericho having a couple of months off TV.

Anyone blaming Jerichos downfall on politics alone clearly hasn’t been watching AEW because if you had been watching you would know for yourself personally where Jericho fell off. I don’t think there was a singular moment, but it just depends on the person. I used to like Jericho, and fell off when he came back in WWE with short hair and the traditional trunks. When he popped back up in NJPW I not keen on Jeribloat. His work at the start of AEW was ok. When Jericho decided to get in shape again I thought wow he’s getting his shit together and looks phenomenal. Then I started seeing the quality in repetitive booking. The constant push for that stupid fucking Judas song. He’ll lose one match to put young talent over and then just derail the time feud with some stupid stable focused story line or just fuck off to the next talent to suck away the charisma like an energy vampire. So somewhere in the middle of Jericho Appreciation Society and his feud with Guevara I just couldn’t take it anymore. Dude went from GOAT to washed real quick.

Jericho's problem isn't that he was never good its that he still thinks he is as good as he was 20-25 years ago which clearly isn't the case. At this point he is just a washed up old self-mark who never took a hint that he should probably just retire or go work in developmental to help train newer/younger wrestlers. He still thinks that he should be a main event wrestler when that is obviously not the case.

>>18021815
If he thought he was still main event calibre, he would be politicking his way into that spot. He hasn’t been in the main event scene since dropping the world title to Moxley in 2020, dude

>>18021400
you should limit all screen use to 1-3 hours a week maximum for at least the next year

>>18021908
First ever undisputed champion in the history of this business and first ever AEW champion. You just can't stop the GOAT

>>18022005
Best champ they've had. He felt like the final bad guy you beat to get the belt.

>>18019540 (OP)
He was patient zero for workrate midcarder midgets becoming main eventers.

After the Trials of Jericho program vs MJF
ever since then it's been a downward trend in quality
there was bad stuff before that like the OC feud but i don't recall anything good from him after that and it's been 4 years since
he needs to transition to a backstage role/manager/whatever

>>18022039
No, that's Michaels and Bret. You can trace all the modern shitters back to them.

>>18019540 (OP)
>was he ever actually any good
He was amazing
>At what point did everyone turn on him
When he decided to make himself a jobber to everyone and get involved in whacky storylines

>>18020732
Carder was completely since stale in the 2000's and 2010's after his 2004 deadman gimmick.

>>18021567
>suck away the charisma like an energy vampire.
this is so fucking retarded, that company is filled with complete jobbers to the brim, thinking that Jericho is the one bringing them down and not their complete lack of talent is ludicrous

>>18021387
Haitch has been seething about him his entire career, he ain't gonna help him, he could be an intermediary to HBK, those 2 down in Florida may actually teach the new worthless retarded fucks at the pc something

>>18019756
he does this whilst also pandering to blacks and gays in their special months. kek what a based carny

>>18020551
>YEET
We live in a world where both Jay and Eddie are shitters. I'll grant you that at least Tony is smart enough not to make a fat fuck his top guy.