its actually insane when you think about how this company was the grim reaper for pro wrestling as a whole

>>18062479 (OP)
if you think the PWGification of wrestling was bad just wait until AEW dies

>>18062498
>AEW dies
in your dreams dronie

WWE was the grim reaper for pro wrestling

Is that the ape that raped Nash?

>>18062524
THIS. Blaming some indie fed for the decline of wrestling is exactly the sort of stupidity that has led to the actual decline. PWG was never influential enough to do that kind of damage.

>>18062524
This. PWG and it's wrestlers became popular because WWE was at it's worst and fans looked elsewhere for something good. Then they signed all those guys anyway once someone other than Vince and Johnny Ace were in charge of developmental

>>18062524
The moment where wrestling was ruined forever

>>18062859
no lies detected

>>18062524
still is

>>18062934
WWE seems determined to drag the entire business to the grave. What will probably happen is that WWE will die and wrestling will go into a long decline until people forget about WWE. The amount of harm they've done is incalculable.

The indiefication of wrestling was inevitable. ROH, Chikara, CZW, etc were all doing indieriffic shit like PWG, the latter just had more hype. All of those indie guys would have been hired by the big leagues even if PWG never existed. At most you could say PWG accelerated the decline.

Oh no something you didn't like existed truly this is terrible

dragon gate started it all

>>18062498
>just wait until AEW dies
14 days right?

PWG could be bigger than AEW and TNA if SuperDagon and Excalibur would have got on iPPV instead of releasing shit on DVD months after the events were taped.
That lazy shit excuses they gave were a joke.

>>18063509
Never thought about that but you're right. Them coming to ROH and PWG in the 2000s, forming DGUSA then becoming Evolve. Basically every black and gold NXT guy was in at least 2 of those 3 promotions

>>18063499
Literally pissant logic

>>18063509
It's not Dragon Gate's fault that US shitters were desperate for any kind of "wrestlers from Japan" attention

While PWG is unwatchable shit to me, it is the ultimate pro wrestling promotion.
They managed to convince wrestlers to work harder, which here means taking dumber bumbs, for less money.

> in the 80s WWE destroys the territories through predatory practices, greatly reducing the number of spots for full time wrestlers, and the means for young talent to develop
>WWE waits until the late 90s to invest in developing talent that's not already on their roster
>through mismanagement they ruin their developmental system and have replaced it with a much less fruitful performance center
Guys, I think wrestling is bad cause an indie less than 1,000 people ever watched.

>>18063875
>PWG could be bigger than AEW and TNA if SuperDagon and Excalibur would have got on iPPV instead of releasing shit on DVD months after the events were taped.
Spoken like a true retard who doesn't know anything and is also gay.
PWG only could exist as it was because they remained a DVD product. WSX, ROH, TNA and Lucha Underground forbid their contracted talent from appearing on iPPVs of other companies. The whole appeal of PWG was that they could offer unique matchups no else could, and they could do that because they stayed on DVD. They move to iPPV ain't nobody paying to see Joey Ryan vs the guy who came to the ring with the NES powerpad.

>>18064089
>for less money
PWG was probably one of the better places to work. Plane tickets are paid for cause their on the other side of the country. If you're a big enough indie name there's 100s of fans there who never had the opportunity to buy your merch before. And you actually get to be somewhere with good weather and Mexican food. Hotdog and a handshake? How about a free tan and In n Out?

>>18063509
It's not their fault American's learned all the wrong lessons.
Dragon Gate worked cause they focused on personalities, pageantry, and being cute boys, to draw the girls and the gays.
The in ring style worked cause they all trained with each other and did tours working with each other. It's a lot easier to to run through moves when you know each other's next steps instead of just coming up with shit you never did before the day off, and it's also been a month since your last match, shit be looking like this. Also the Dragon Gate guys, knew their style was lacking and for any important matches they were much slower paced with a traditional structure, as opposed to the big tag sprints.

>>18062479 (OP)
Fuck no. Stop exaggerating its impact. Nobody watched PWG, they just know the name because of who was booked there over the years. Everything you hate about wrestling was popularized on American television and PWG has become a convenient scapegoat by people who are afraid to admit it.
>Ironic gay meme comedy stuff and obviously immersion breaking gimmick trash was made the full-on industry standard by WWE
>Hardcore indie shit was popularized by ECW
>Worked shoot bullshit to pop the smarks was popularized by WCW
>Modern flippy spotfest trash was popularized by the TNA X-Division (no one was watching it anywhere else, fuck off)
>The PWG six-man tag style was ripped straight from mainstream lucha you could watch on the Spanish channel
>Most PWG talent in the 2010s were much more well known for doing ROH, NJPW and Lucha Underground which all had American TV exposure at the time, and way more paying fans

>>18065849
They will always try to ignore this.

>>18066259
and this.

>>18065849
This. WWE poisoned the very soil from which their success originally sprang. Their decline is their own doing.

>>18062479 (OP)
>PWG when it was centered around a midget with a roid raging cokehead gimmick, the world's whitest luchador, a fat geek in pajamas stiffing everybody and a racist guy who didn't like Mexicans and Blackers
SOVL

>Super indy PWG based around dream matches and guys like the Bucks, Matt Riddle, and whoever was in Lucha Underground at the time having storyless bangerino movez exhibitions
SOVLless

>post-VFW Globe Theater PWG
Even more SOVLless

>>18065970
What happened is that being a spot monkey was seen as bad and something to be mocked. Then Dave gave the DG 6-man in ROH a five star rating and the opinion flipped because smarks have always been retarded faggots who decide what's good or not based on whether or not Dave liked it. Once he gave a spotfest five stars it became more acceptable to be a spot monkey and then that went into overdrive when Twitter became entrenched in the public consciousness and people would just clip/gif high spots for retweets which caused everyone to really go all in on that style to get attention.

Sort of like how stand up comedy has devolved into shitty crowd work and "totally owning hecklers" (who definitely are not plants) because that's what gets shared on social media now but they can't actually put together a good set. Like I get it, Tulu was really fucking funny but that was because Patrice was a master of riffing off the cuff and you're not, you're a white glasses wearing skinny faggot.

>>18065849
I’d also like to toss in while they may parade around as anti wwe almost all your late pwg and aew guys grew up wwe fans. The bucks, who claimed they never wanted to be in the wwe despite failing multiple try outs dressed like the rockers for the first half of their careers.
And wwe is just bad wrestling. Very little to grab onto emotionally unless you’re a little kid. A good wwe match is a match where people pop for the familiar moves and maybe they do a unique twist on them. Well indie guys who only work a few times a year, they don’t know what heat is, they don’t understand comebacks and cut offs. All they know is to do the moves that get people to pop. And because they can’t build familiarity with their audience they rely on more and more ridiculous moves.

>>18066978
>almost all your late pwg and aew guys grew up wwe fans
Are there any known exceptions other than Ospreay (grew up a TNA mark instead and started wrestling because of AJ)

>>18065886
imagine Human Tornado vs Chris Bosh in 2012
VGH...

>>18066978
>failing multiple tryouts

lol WWE signs people who literally cannot wrestle this doesn't mean shit

>>18062479 (OP)
Apparently he hates this indy mudshow getting trashed

>>18066259
No lies detected

>>18067222
I’m assuming you mean post Reseda PWG as late period, if those guys were born in 90’s really there is nothing else besides WWE. TNA was on Spike by 05 but Bischoff came in around 09 and it’s a different product. So maybe there’s a very specific 4 year window, but mostly everyone watched WWE there just wasn’t anything else easily accessible. Maybe depending on where you lived you could have been really into ROH. I didn’t even live that far from where they were based and I couldn’t get ahold of that stuff except through tapes and DVD’s. I heard about the Punk and Samoa Joe stuff but didn’t get to see it until way later.

>>18066259
>worked shoot
>PWG
what

>>18062524
spbp

>>18068820
Yup. And the bucks were worse than them.

>>18069097
One of their first storylines was some fat gay with a fat manager, I think his name was Brad Bradley, calling Adam Pierce a mark and pierce cut some bad promo about how calling a wrestler a mark is the worst thing you can say.
But I would t expect you to know your history.