This. So much this.

>>18084130 (OP)
>Doesn't even read the article to realize it basically says it isn't a WWE-exclusive thing at all and that everything everywhere is being overly monetized
Good job aewtist

>>18084147
>Worked

>>18084130 (OP)
This nigga doesn't know nascar exists

everyone who thinks having logo on the ring is good should be forced to watch ads before anything they do if they love them so much. taking a shower? watch a 30 second ad for soap first etc.

>>18084174
take your overdramatic performative faggotry back to plebbit pls

>uses the words late stage capitalism unironically to describe something
communism has never worked, lil bro.

>>18084177
>doesn't actually say it's wrong or why it's wrong, just tells them to go back
lil bro doesn't want to accept that it's accurate lmao

If ads on a ring is a "hellscape" then what was it when boys helping set up rings were being molested? Moron journalists ignore real problems like fentanyl and human trafficking but cry wolf over minor annoyances in a desperate effort to promote communism.

>slim jim table

>buzzword buzzword buzzword: the headline

>>18084174
That's just YouTube on a phone

>>18084174
You didn't appreciate Vince when he was there, now you reap what you sow.

>>18084290
Vince forcing the sale instead of passing the business to his kids is what caused this situation in the first place.

>>18084177
fuck you

>>18084293
Not like he had a choice. The amount of hate he was facing during his worst time was terrible.

>>18084130 (OP)
WWE is utterly soulless corporate slop and drones are pathetic for defending it.

Ive been watching boxing, ufc, nfl, nba, mlb, and nhl for many many years. I guess in just used to ads

>>18084340
Ok enjoy your soulless corpo slop you stupid drone faggot

>>18084352
Ads are just a tax you pay for living in a first world country. Capitalism cannot function without advertisements. Perhaps ilone day you’ll get it.

>>18084376
That's right keep defending it cuck.

>>18084401
Anon, I'm not "defending" anything. Ads are a functional and essential part of any capitalistic society. That's not a defense, that's not my opinion, it's simply a fact. It was true before either of us were born, and it will be true after both of us are dead.

>>18084174
Bold of you to assume the "people" defending this use soap.

>>18084290
oh no please don't let WWE keep slopping it up to "avenge" Vince that'll REALLY get me haha

>>18084130 (OP)
Late stage capitalism is a delusion pushed by Marxists who have spent nearly 200 years insisting capitalism is going to collapse any day now.

>>18084401
lol this retard is so mad
>NOO TKO IS DOING SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE IM GOING TO COMPLAIN ALL OVER THE INTERNET ABOUT IT!
Impotent bitch

>>18084520
What's wrong with you?

Vince dicksuckers used to clown on AEW for the "sports like presentation" thing and now look kek

>>18084130 (OP)
yuuuuup

>>18084528
truth

>>18084528
More like the first millenium of capitalism

>>18084130 (OP)
It's true, but he's saying it like a faggot. All the mergers and acquisitions in the business world have ultimate end, and it's the monopolization of industries by a handful of owners. Eventually, the populace will worship the longstanding top brands, which over decades become synonymous with that industry. Then, the top dogs will have such a stranglehold, that similar success by any outsider becomes almost impossible.

>>18084546
You know Vince isn't in wwe anymore right?

>>18084352

>>18084726
The same way everyone worshipped Walmart and crushed Amazon before it could get off the ground
Oh wait

>>18084130 (OP)
Kek, burgers have been bombarded with ads in their sports for decades to the point where their biggest ‘sport’ has more ads than actual playing time. But fucking fake underpants fighting is this faggot’s outrage bait breaking point?

>>18084130 (OP)
So you're a pussy that's triggered by logos on inanimate objects?

>>18084792
>he thinks Walmart was in the brand worship era
Try again. Once social media went mainstream in 2011, the final phase began.

>>18084804
so as I name more and more brands that have taken off and replaced dinosaur dogshit 'established' brands, you're just going to repeatedly move the goalposts. Awesome, cool stuff.

Why do pigs have to defend this or resort to whataboutism? Why can't you just say 'Yeah this shit is grim and looks bad'

>>18084810
>so as I name more and more brands
Don't talk about what you're gonna do, do it. Name the small outsider companies that have risen up to dominate an already-established industry that already has a top dog, after 2012.

>>18084837
Spoken like an antifa communist fucking faggot
>why won't you let me throw a rock through this Rite Aid glass door
>so what I don't live here
>so what old people shop here
>why are you protecting corporations?
Same exact faggot attitude and entitlement, feeling you should be able to beat up on your target with no pushback or challenge whatsoever

>>18084130 (OP)
we're reaching levels of This previously unheard of. We're breaching That Part territory.

>>18084855
>simply name some companies worth tens of billions of dollars that started in the last 13 years
>companies before then don't count because they would destroy my argument
No thanks faggot, have fun being a dickhead and making retard arguments

>>18084285
my content addiction is so bad i've been using a waterproof case while i shower

>>18084874
>I can't, anon
Yeah. Just like I thought. kek. Spare me the
>"I could do that, too, but I just don't wanna!"
meme as well. You faggots on here always have a shit ton to say when you think you're right about something. And you had no qualms opening your fat mouth to try and prove me wrong at the start. You're better than this, anon.

>>18084160
Bro, nobody gives a fuck what the fuck they do in NASCAR. They could have Jesus Christ himself return during a NASCAR race and I wouldn’t hear about it.

I’ve been watching NJPW with ads on the ring for years. Same with CMLL and AAA. I can’t bring myself to give a shit one way or the other because I don’t even notice the advertisements on the ring. I’m not looking at the fucking ring mat I’m watching the match or promo.

>NJPW has in-ring ads for 10+ years
>Nobody cares
>AAA and CMLL has in-ring ads
>Nobody cares
>AEW not only has had in-ring ads but also turnbuckle ads and a Cracker Barrel hardcore match in their first PPV
>Nobody cares
>WWE has in-ring ads and table ads
>This is late-stage capitalism

Dudewipes remain one of the stupidest fucking products i've ever been made aware of.

>>18085035
none of those have a contractually mandated slim jim™ table spot per show

>>18084130 (OP)
sponsors on mats and shit is not a late stage capitalism thing, it's been done for years just not in wwe because vince preferred to work +300 nights a year for pennies

NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE MONEY AHHHHHHHH MY EYES ARE LITERALLY BURNING BECAUSE IT SAYS SNICKERS ON THE MAT

>>18085081
take a leap off the Fireball™ ladder, you WWE dicksucking faggot

>>18084130 (OP)

>>18085094
So how many Citibank mat™ spot did that show have?
How many times did the announcer call out the brands by names?
Oh, zero? That's what i thought. Fuck off with your false equivalence duplicitous shit.

>>18084130 (OP)
The current E-drone cope is "Everybody else does it."

>>18084130 (OP)
>it's only bad when the E does it
kek

>>18084200
Late-stage capitalism has nothing to do with communism. You are thinking, "It's almost over so it means its bad and communism will win." It means a point in time where there are only monopolies left and these monopolies raise prices artificially and commoditize things that aren't usually commoditized like Slim Jim® tables. The only reason WWE doesn't have a total monopoly on wrestling is Tony Khan. WWE has had a total monopoly at different times and usually the product during those times was of lower quality (PG era).

The author is obviously not writing for wrestling fans.

>>18084174
kek this. There should be personalized ads in your brainchip aswell

>>18085146
>The only reason WWE doesn't have a total monopoly on wrestling is Tony Khan. WWE has had a total monopoly at different times and usually the product during those times was of lower quality (PG era).
That is not even close to being true. WWE was never a monopoly at any point in their history. Right now there is TNA, New Japan, tons of indie promotions, and wrestling from other countries that can easily be watched online.

>>18084130 (OP)
With Jews you lose

>>18084280
>if you dont put ads on every available surface to be seen at all times, the commies win!
Your ability to only think in extremes, and your defensiveness that someone wouldn't want to be told what to think all the time suggests autism

>>18084340
I always felt all the adds on their shorts made them look low rent. Rednecky, like Nascar cars.

>>18084376
>terror attacks is just part and parcel of living in a big city

>>18084726
>eventually

>>18085158
Most of those companies or promotions could be swallowed whole by WWE on a whim except for pet projects like AEW or NWA.

They already practically own TNA and will likely buy them outright, just bought AAA, and are using WWE ID in the indies. Japan has protectionist policies that hinder WWE and AEW buying anything there. How did they get Giulia? They had to get Rossy to create Marigold as a feeder fed.

>>18084792
They offered a better service
>dont have to leave your house
>dont have to go to Walmart
>prices are still good
>dont have to interact with Walmart people
>no 20 registers with only 1 open that's 17 people long
>wider selection
>not supporting Walmart who has always been shady anyway

>>18084796
You know why inglorious bastards was a big and hit but youll never see a nazi heel gimmick anymore, right?
Its not that one faggot that takes fake underpants fighting that seriously

>>18085132
SOVL!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>18085211
Okay, and there's still Stardom and TJPW and several other joshi promotions. I don't think you understand what a monopoly is. "Mono" means one. For WWE to be a monopoly, it would have to be the only wrestling company, which it's not, never has been, and never will be.

>>18085035
You do realize that most people have never heard of any of those other promotions right? Naturally when WWE does something, that's when the negative reactions will start.

>>18084147
How braindead do you have to be where you take any criticism of WWE slop as necessarily coming from an AEW fan taking potshots.
Yes, it's happening everywhere (that's how late-stage capitalism works), it doesn't fucking make it any better.
Wake up.

>>18085227
Just because more than one company is selling the same thing doesn't mean there isn't a monopoly. AEW is in second place because Tony has access to billions to spend on his life-long hobby. Who is number three? TNA?

>>18085035
Its caring to people when tradition they've been used to their entire life suddenly changes

>>18085068
I always thought it was because the other things needed to cuz they were desperate for money to just stay afloat

>>18085301
TNA yes, and TNA used to be much more prominent, but they made a series of very bad decisions that harmed their business, which had nothing to do with WWE.

>>18085111
>were not better and more professional looking than anyone else

>>18084855
Toyota used to be the leader in the electric car market with the Prius, but Tesla toppled them in that market.

>>18085158
Now you can, yeah. Before streaming was a thing, the only alternative was some rinky dink jr league looking mudshow that no one watched or took seriously. Wrestlers who jumped ship to there would routinely have fans shocked cuz they didnt know they were still wrestling. Mayyyybe some areas would play cmll sometimes, but thise were niche heavily Mexican areas.
Until roh started getting popular and joined up with new japan and streaming took off, sure. But between when wcw died and when aew began, they had no actual competition. And fine, aew isn't touching them, but they still counter program as though they were competition.
They didnt do that for 20 years

>>18085227
Youbrealize Microsoft was considered a monopoly even though Apple existed, right?
Could argue they still are even with Linux and people using macs

>>18085313
>TNA
>prominent
Anon...
Their peak was angle joe cage match and that still wasnt prominent

>>18085370
And that is incorrect. And in addition, markets do not trend towards monopolies. That is a leftist myth. There are way more prominent wrestling companies now than there were a decade ago.

>>18085313
WWE will likely buy TNA, leaving nobody but AEW as a competitor.

>>18085383
I can tell you're a real wrestlong fan

>>18085383
>markets do not trend towards monopolies
>the tko merger never happened!
>neither media outlets to make time warner!

There can be an in-between, anon happy medium of capitalism and socialism. Adds dont need to be EVERYWHERE. Working and getting money to buy what you want is good. Blond people getting seeing eye dogs for free is also good. And socialist. Could argue either way for public schools, but that would be a lot of people unable to work to be poor teachers for their kids

>>18085383
It's not a myth - as companies gain more money and a greater share of the market, they are able to leverage their position to lock out competition and increase the cost of entry into their markets.
It doesn't have to be proven because you can see it all around you. Calling it a leftist myth is a major right-wing cope.

>>18085370
IBM was a true monopoly before Microsoft and Apple. They were the only game in town for decades. They lost that because they ignored the personal computing market.

>>18084130 (OP)
If it bothered me so much I would just stop watching.

>>18085422
It's exactly this.
We have public and private sectors of the economy. Ideally, they shift in accordance with society's needs.
An ideal society would have a left wing and a right wing that understand the need for one another and who work in a good faith manner to achieve their means understanding that victories on the other side aren't necessarily bad, just a reflection of society's needs at the time.
Sadly, here in the US, neither party understands that. But there was a time when they largely did and that was when America was most prosperous.

>>18085383
Seriously? Outside of WWE and AEW, most wrestling promotions in the USA look like they are putting on a show in a barn or community center.

>>18085433
Just like this board, console war faggotry ruins everything

>>18085399
GCW, New Japan, MLW, NWA, and many others

>>18085412
Most of that stuff isn't mergers and acquisitions. It's companies who launched multiple successful brands.

>>18085437
You still have many choices for wrestling. There's so much wrestling in America you can't possibly watch it all. You can spend all day watching wrestling without ever watching WWE. It's not WWE's fault that WWE is the only wrestling show that most people want to watch.

>>18085461
Yeah, and there's fewer and fewer companies doing it cuz they got merged, and thus fewer companies owning everything or making anything. Which goes back to a reduction of marketplace diversity, which could easily eventually lead to....
Why did you need that explained?

>>18085514
>which could easily eventually lead to
It doesn't lead to monopoly. That is a leftist myth that does not happen in reality.

>>18085457
Are any of these on major networks, cable or paid streaming platforms? Who are the stars of these promotions?

>>18085539
They struggle to get on those platforms because so few people want to watch them. They prefer to watch WWE. MLW and NWA air for free online and still nobody watches them.

>>18085479
Yes it is. They did everything intentionally to make people want to watch it. It was their goal. Not their fault? Like theyre snitsky? They accidentally succeeded? It wasnt Vince being aggressive and shady?
Accessibility and looks matter to people. Its hiwbthey know its real and high end. If you don't look as good, you're not taken as being as good, and people dont want to waste their time on something inferior.
If youre only available on your own streaming platform, Twitter, or apps most people dont have, it becomes work to engage with the product, and people dont feel like putting in extra effort to hunt down a show when there's a better looking one that requires almost no effort what so ever. Its like if you live in boston, get Italian from the north end, or go to the burbs to get olive garden? If you live by the beach, will you hunt down a local community pool to go to instead? Dobyoubgrab the shirt from your drawer that has holes in it, or the one that looks decent on you? Street fighter or whatever shitty knock off yiu find at the retro shop?
That said, id choose troll 2 over almost any other movie to watch

>>18084130 (OP)
God I hate ads so fucking much

>>18085479
outside of AEW and WWE in the USA you're basically talking about small time indies.

>>18085547
>They did everything intentionally to make people want to watch it.
Now you're saying WWE is the bad guy because they try to get people to watch their show.

>>18085550
They'd be big time if people wanted to watch them. TNA used to be on a major cable network, and they ran off a lot of their fans, which cost them their TV deal. None of that is WWE's fault. TNA's incompetent leadership is responsible for TNA's downfall, and now it's WWE helping to build it up a little bit.

The point is, you have all sorts of options for watching wrestling. WWE doesn't have a monopoly at all. It just feels that way because most people are only interested in WWE.

>>18085522
You need to circle back to >>18085383 where you first tried that false logic and go back over the shrinking of companies more and more and reread. You keep pretending tko wasnt created specifically to monopolize fighting sports when the clearly are attempting that.
Why did Vince buy all of his competition? To monopolize, which, according to you, is a myth and a market will never head towards a monopoly
Im done trying to explain it to you. You're either an idiot or just a contrarian, but you'll never get how the real world works. Im sorry, anon

>>18085146
Capitalism has few alternatives
It makes sense people bring up the failures of communism when people mention "late stage capitalism"

>>18085553
No, im saying they intentionally tried to succeed, and thus its their fault that they did. Are you really that dense? Just because you cause the effects doesnt make you automatically bad

>>18084130 (OP)
More like its the sign of JEW times. Vince McMahon avoided this for as long as he could and then they kicked him out.

>>18085574
>Why did Vince buy all of his competition?
Because they were failing. Failing companies will sometimes be bought by successful companies, but there's no reason that multiple companies can't also be successful.
>You keep pretending tko wasnt created specifically to monopolize fighting sports when the clearly are attempting that.
UFC doesn't even have a monopoly on MMA, WWE isn't at all a monopoly in wrestling, and there's many boxing promotions in addition to the new Zuffa Boxing. There is no monopoly in sight.

>>18085601
Get some glasses, then. Disparity between 1 and 2 matter.

And awa was failing cuz Vince raided their guys and paid hogan to no shiw a huge event for them
Just like he raided every promotion. They were failing cuz he was actively sabotaging them to get their best workers so he could move in and be the only game in town like he did on black Saturday. Get a fucking clue

>>18084130 (OP)
I don't like ads and logos on the wrestling apron. It's as simple as that

Eddie Alvarez wanted to go to ufc. Bellator copied word for word what is ufc contract to try tonget a judge to stop it. He didnt side with them. Know why? Cuz he'd make exponentially more money in ufc. Because the disparity between 1 and 2 plays a huge part in a company having total dominance in a market. If the gap is that big, then youre not competition. And you dont have shares of the market. Not in any significant way that matters

>>18085252
>Writes a paragraph of seethe over being called an aewtist
Hit dogs holler and this bitch is screamin

>>18084796
Soccer has ads on the jerseys

>>18085547
If other wrestling promotions were better than WWF, they would have won. Simple as.

>>18085783
If Edison was better than Tesla, he would have won
If beta was better than vhs, it would have won
.....oh shit, the inferior thing has won multiple times??? Nooooo!!!

>>18085764
Who the fuck would know that?

Hogan or flair. Who had better matches? Flair. Who had better promos? Flair. Who was the bigger star? Hogan
Has cheating heel champions taught you nothing? Its not about being the best. Its about getting stupid idiots to fall for bull shit.
Whise a better singer, brittney spears or Christina augileira? Yet Brittney was the one who got over more.

There are many authors better than the twilight chicl and the Harry Potter lady. Why aren't they outselling those two? Cuz twilight his the epitome of literature?
You don't really expect anyone to take you seriously, do you?

Amd no, they wouldn't have. Vince had more money to use cuz of the new York market alone. He also saw the future before they did of national television and how it would effect the business. It was his product that was better, it was him being a shrewed, aggressive, scummy kind of businessman that won't him it. He saw it and got there before anyone else and sabotaged everyone in his path to the point hisnfather that sold him the company hated him and wanted him stopped
What's it like having no ability to be able to think? Is it a good feeling?

>the thing NJPW, the UFC and boxing have done for decades is now bad all of a sudden

>>18084174
Everything I own has labels on it you fucking retarded I am exposed to advertisements already 24 hours a day

>>18085938
WWE appeals to a wide audience of all ages and races and backgrounds and AEW simply doesn't. Why does this fact bother so many people and why do they pretend this means WWE is bad?

>>18085990
Prowrestling as a whole does. That's why its been around for as long as it has in many places, idiot. Why does this fact bother so many piggies and why do they pretend this means WWE is the only thing anyone is allowed to enjoy?

>>18086044
No one said you can't watch AEW if you want. The argument was over the people claiming popular = bad and why that is such a retarded take.

>>18085663

It’s hot dogs, retard

>>18085898
Well he’s making fun of us Americans for having ads in our sports when soccer (the most popular sport in Europe, and the entire world aside from America) is literally plastered with ads. So i was just pointing that out to him because instead of assuming hes retarded i just gave him the benefit of the doubt

>>18086196
>instead of assuming hes retarded i just gave him the benefit of the doubt
big mistake anon

>>18085891
There’s so much more to a successful business than the end product. You can have an incredible product run by bad finance officers, or shitty marketers, failing to keep employees happy, poor leadership,etc. WWF was the best all around wrestling company in the world. This is what people like you don’t understand. If any of these companies were better than Vince’s WWF empire, they would have won. That’s it. All your coping and excuses are just a bunch of bullshit.

>>18086063
No. I assure you it is not. Lmfao

>>18085146
>a point in time where there are only monopolies left

So a point in time that has never existed and never will? Unless you believe McDonald's is the only restaurant you can go to. Anyone calling advertisements on a ring a "hellscape" has obvious mental issues that they're projecting onto the world around them.

>>18085891
edison did win bud

>>18086226
Its a media company, not a wrestling conoany, dumb ass.
And sabotaging other people doesnt give your own work more merrit.
They didnt succeed as a wrestling company, it was their means to an end. Dont forget Vince was embarrassed by wrestling and wanted to get rid of the ring entirely.
Mcdonalds isn't really a fast food place, its a real estate company whonises their real estate abilities to sell food. They farm and grow everything in house, too. Facebook isn't a social media platform, its a data harvesting program. All things are disguised to trick stupid people
And on that note
>>18086059
The tone of the board implies otherwise. And if thing is popular cuz its followed by masses of fools, how good could it be? Star wars is still good cuz its still popular? Justin Bieber makes amazing music cuz he's popular? Titanic was a great movie cuz a shit tin of teen age girls wanted to fuck the lead?
No

>>18085370
Microsoft was only considered an illegal monopoly for browsers in Windows...

"The U.S. government accused Microsoft of illegally monopolizing the web browser market for Windows, primarily through the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.

And nobody considered that a hellscape or whined about muh late stage capitalism.

>>18086511
>Its a media company, not a wrestling conoany, dumb ass.
wtf does that even mean

>>18086511
>And sabotaging other people doesnt give your own work more merrit.
Getting rid of competition helps your product standout. You’re extremely naive and idealistic. It’s time to grow up.

>>18086490
>I completely missed the point
We know

WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS AD IN RING

>>18086522
They do complain about too many ads on YouTube, though. And the ads back then were mostly due to viruses from bad porn sites
They learned to grease palms, or im sure they would have gotten guff for being the base os on every non apple computer

>>18086522
They didnt realize how much it sucked until Firefox came out, and then only fucking idiots kept the default browser

>>18086570
Nice ragebait bro

>>18086532
The wrestlers are ways to sell shirts and action figures and posters and belts. That's theyre product. The show is just a show they make to advertise for their real products. They have a creative team to focus on scripts. Production crews to make everything made for tv. Theyre much more in common with universal pictures than they do with any wrestling company before them or current. They have a show that happens ti feature guys pretending to fight cuz that's the business Vince inherited in and cuzbjebfailed at everything else

>>18086550
It doesnt make your product any better. I just have character and integrity. Maybe its time for you to stop being miserable

>>18086511
>the tone of the board implies otherwise
>some fat retard spamming disingenous takes about a wrestling fed that makes him seethe implies that WWE is bad despite its popularity
Please live in the real world and don't base your beliefs off of the "tone of this board." In reality, 8x the amount of people are spending 5x the money on going to WWE shows than AEW shows. None of your copes matter.

>>18086655
Oh, i do. There aren't people to talk to about wrestling there is the problem. So I come here as a break from it

>>18084885
>heh so you can't name any co panties that started less than 13 years ago that became worth tens of billions of dollars and the #1 in their industry
>looks like I win again and this is late-stage capitalism
This is why leftists belong in camps

>>18086696
>co panties
*companies
fucking autocorrect always trying to fuck on me

>>18086655
The faggy leftist mind is incapable of understanding things like choice and options. They believe only councils and experts and regulatory boards should be able to designate what is and isn't accepted by the masses, that people aren't capable of selecting things they like on their own without divine communist intervention

They've always seen their own kind as gods walking the earth among mere mortals, nothing will ever change that. It's a sickness they will never be rid of.

>>18086604
Netscape used to be the dominant browser.

"On September 22, 1997, Internet Explorer 4 was released. The release party in San Francisco featured a ten-foot-tall letter "e" logo. Netscape employees showing up to work the following morning found the logo on their front lawn, paired with greeting card signed "Best wishes, the IE team".[2] The Netscape employees promptly knocked it over and set a giant figure of their Mozilla dinosaur mascot atop it, holding a sign reading "Netscape 72, Microsoft 18", referencing the companies' market share."

During the United States Microsoft antitrust case in 1998, Intel vice president Steven McGeady testified that a senior executive at Microsoft told him in 1995 of his company's intention to "cut off Netscape's air supply",

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_wars

>>18086644
>The wrestlers are ways to sell shirts and action figures and posters and belts. That's theyre product. The show is just a show they make to advertise for their real products.

Netflix alone is paying them $5 billion. Go look at what Saudi pays for one show, the ticket revenue for WrestleMania, etc.