Name a bigger fumble than Starrcade 97. You can't.

Triple KWAB's ambitions

>>18169608 (OP)
Regal getting busted for steroids or whatever the fuck was taking that stupid fucking junkies
Nah I'm memeing, probably the invasion angle. Cornette came up with a very fucking solid build up to the Wrestlemania 2002 card (not the card itself which is just a boomer fantasizing about it on a KC interview)
Also me getting fired due to alcoholism kek

Gary Glitter at a computer repair shop in 1997

>>18169634
The buildup was hokey worked shoot crap lmfao

>>18169636
Somehow I liked the idea of Taker vs Funk

>>18169608 (OP)
I thought it was fine for what it was.

Not a fan

AEW after 2021

>>18169634
There is nothing solid about Cornette somehow making Steve Austin vs Mankind the finale of the invasion. It is demented. We had already seen Austin vs Foley dozens of times in the Attitude Era and not a single person considered him a WCW guy by that point

>>18169786
>setting records for paid wrestling attendance is fumbling

>>18169891
austin foley aside it was still a thousand times better than what actually happened

>>18169644
>hey nwo Wolfpac is going great and people like it
>let's end it
>not do a Civil War angle
>and then tell people Foley is winning the wwf title to boot

>>18169947
It really wasn't.

>>18169608 (OP)
invasion. starrcade at least drew millions, invasion begun the ratings drop

>>18169608 (OP)
AEW

>>18169608 (OP)
Yes I can.
The end of the Attitude Era, the focal point: Austin-Goldberg, the straw that broke the camel's back.
WCW pivoted towards the downhill with Starrcade 97 but 1998 still had good material and the company slowly descended into madness.
When the WWE made its hypercorporate pivot, it's like they jumped off a cliff and collapsed with no premonitory feeling of "uh oh, something's wrong".

The shift from AE to Ruthless Aggression was one that the WWE despite its massive Netflix deal and record houses at extortionate ticket prices simply never recovered from.
More people watched the product 25 years ago than today.
It's a smaller pond with fatter fish, but nowhere near as many of them.

Hell in a Cell 2019

>>18169936
You're trolling right?

>>18170087
Despite your numerous attempts to repress it Wembley happened lilbro. #1 paid attendance in wrestling history.

>>18169608 (OP)
HIAC 2019

>>18169608 (OP)
The brawl for all was much worse, they ruined a lot of people's careers with that one, then the winner gets the "prize" of being fed to Butterbean? Gay. At least Starrcade 97 only had one big fuckup, as opposed to the whole idea being a fuckup.

>>18170084
>>18170236
A show so bad it helped boost the launch of a rival promotion kek

>>18169634
>Also me getting fired due to alcoholism kek
holy based give me a qrd
were you working pure heel or were you still a tweener?

>>18170096
Oh you were trolling.

Starting aew in 2019 instead of 2004.

>>18169608 (OP)
You guys can call me a mark for this all you want:
I lean "chud" in my personal beliefs, and I've always generally liked Hogan as a wrestler
But this one fuck-up is the reason why I'm glad Hogan's been getting all the backlash he's gotten from the general public in recent years
Hogan's an undisputed GOAT but the fact is he did way too much backstage politicking and other angle-ruining bullshit over the years just to keep himself looking strong and to bury others. And just about all of it went largely unpunished
And in my opinion, that bullshit at Starrcade '97 was the worst of them all. I was a huge Sting mark at that time, and I never got over that

>>18170541
tna was founded in 2002

>>18170552
Bro, IT WAS A WORK. If you don't believe me, watch some full nitro episodes from 1996-1997. One of the storylines was
>Hogan keeps using his backstage influence to stay on top
For instance, when Piper beat him at Starrcade 96, they did a story afterward where Bischoff and Hogan destroyed all the tapes so that Hogan's defeat could never be shown. It was all kayfabe. They did the weird finish at Starrcade to further the perception that Hogan was winning through politics. The fact that they had Bret Hart ready to come out and save the day is proof that it was all pre-planned. I can't believe people actually think this was a shoot.

>>18169608 (OP)
Starrcade 98, 99, 2000

>>18171289
That's not the point. The ref was supposed to do a fast count, but didn't because of Hogan

>>18169608 (OP)
I dunno if it's bigger, but they really fucking dropped the ball with Sting in the WWE.
What a massive waste of time that all was.

>>18170552
Sting wasn't big enough to beat Hogan clean. I love Sting, but it's the truth. 97 Sting wasn't as over as 98 Goldberg or 90 Warrior.

>>18171289
Dude, you do realize the part that people take issue with was Hogan/Bischoff telling the ref to do a normal count when Sting got pinned instead of a fast count?
That one backstage shoot decision completely ruined that match and the entire buildup to it, all because Hogan didn't want to lose clean to Sting

>>18171381
Yeah that was part of the story. the referee was Nick Patrick, who was literally the NWO's pet referee.

>>18169608 (OP)
Your life

>>18171400
No it was a worked shoot, and one that was done so well that everyone is still falling for it almost 30 years later.

>>18171394
>Sting wasn't big enough to beat Hogan clean
You know what's funny?
Even if this was true, surely even you have to admit that there were much better ways to give Sting a non-clean win, besides the complete clusterfuck that ended up happening that night
Out of all the ways they could have avoided giving Sting a clean win, they chose to have Hogan technically beat him fair & square with a legdrop and REGULAR 3-count, then have Bret look stupid calling it a fast count and restarting the match with himself as the new ref, while the announcers sound confused as to why the match is restarting when Hogan clearly won clean in kayfabe

>>18171414
Maybe the ref doing a normal count to "help" Hogan makes sense in planet retard

>>18171460
everybody already knew it was fake, they were working the early internet smarks who really really hated Hogan at this time.

>>18171473
Yeah let's shit up the biggest event in wrestling to this moment after all the effort. That will show them

>>18171489
still got ya bubblin to this day

>>18169608 (OP)
This happening.

>>18171651
God I keep forgetting about WCW's atrocious logo change before they folded
Who the fuck thought that shit looked good

>>18171651
hey could you get a shittier image? I was still able to make out most of that one

>>18171869
it's a hd pic from 2001 ya mark

>>18170002
The Invasion PPV got 75k more buys than Starrcade 97.

>>18169992
It absolutely was. He at least booked some WCW guys to go over and didn't horrifically kill all their momentum and ability to draw in the future.

>>18169608 (OP)
INVASION

>>18170454
>rival promotion

Hogan claiming that Sting wasn't tanned is still one of those 'nigra are you kidding me?' excuses

>>18173942
Wasn't it just a cover since Sting was addicted to pills and came to the arena fucked up like Hardy did in TNA

>>18169608 (OP)
I don't know, sorry.

>>18170541
>Starting aew in 2019 instead of 2004
Why didn't Tony Khan start AEW sooner?

>>18171489
Yes, that's exactly what WCW would do. The other anon is right

AOL TIME WARNER

>>18171431
There were better ways to do everything. Point still is, Sting isn't the guy to beat Hogan clean. He was never as over as him even once.

>>18171651
AEW's constant stage changes from 2019-2022, then 2023-2024, 2024-2025 reminded me exactly of this. Just schizophrenic, ADHD horseshit that ruins its own brand. That was WCW panicking, and AEW did the exact same thing.

>>18172238
Now adjust for global population increase

Austin heel turn

Cena heel turn

nwo in 2002

Goldberg in WWE

In terms of long term damage, TK not firing Punk immediately following Brawl Out. He would have been thrown in to the market with Vince in control of WWE

>>18171869
Why did he do this

Giving Nash control of the booking was retarded

>>18169786
Try 2019. You wanna book something that could go toe-to-toe with WWE at the time and you run matches with Joey Janella, Marko Stunt, Sonny Kiss, Nyla Rose, etc, etc? Glorified shindie at that point.

>>18170552
Sting was struggling with addiction at the time and the office got cold feet. That's honestly not too bad of a call on their part. I'd say Hogan going over Yokozuna after having Bret lose was a much more egregious example of his politicking, even if Sting was way more over than Bret ever was.

>>18173950
I don't know if Sting ever showed up to work actively fucked up, but yeah, you were supposed to read between the lines. Sting himself even admitted he was going through issues at the time.

>>18175565
Was gonna say 2019 actually but the ratings were still okay until 2021 where they took a complete nosedive

Bischoff firing the guys that would later beat him.

I indirectly blame the Screwjob, although it did prove how second-rate WCW was behind the veneer of winning the Monday Night Wars at the outset.

>>18170469
I made my debut in the promotion as a happy to be here babyface, then eventually I checked out due to a heel project manager cunt having us on never ending daily meetings and rewriting the booking almost every fucking day. So I just boozed myself every evening until way after midnight. I think I was only a heel against her but babyface with anybody else. Or the other way around kek
I cut one last promo on her after she wished me best of luck with my future endeavors. Now I'm sober and getting tryouts in other promotions. Fuck that fucking cunt.

>>18175554
are you unfamiliar with Fred Durst?

>>18169608 (OP)
People focus on Sting being done dirty but the real fumble was what they did to Bret. He was the biggest news in wrestling thanks to the screwjob and they did fuck all with him.

>>18171394
>97 Sting wasn't as over as 98 Goldberg or 90 Warrior.
Debatable. Sting was huge. He was everywhere in the late 90s.

>>18177090
The biggest FUMBLE is the fact that these things kept happening over the years and no American/Canadian will ever have the balls to avenge the disrespect done to him on Live National Television, that he witnessed before his very own eyes in real time , as well the millions (and millions) watching at home.

Vince snr dying

>>18178486
Wrestling fig status?

>>18169608 (OP)
Bischoff's Real American Freestyle scam job

>>18169608 (OP)
if only he got himself a tan

>>18170076
good post, anon. but you're too smart to be posting here. just tell which women's wrestlers are trannies and titlets.

>>18169608 (OP)
you are right. you cant
>>18175573
>Sting was struggling with addiction at the time and the office got cold feet.
back then literally everybody was on something.
>That's honestly not too bad of a call on their part.
no, it was the WORST possible call on their part. build a dude up for an entire year only to have him lose in a confusing manner. it absolutely killed wcw on the spot. wcw became a joke. people lost interest and they never beat any wwf show in the ratings ever again

>>18169608 (OP)
>Owen's harness
>Putting a thousand dimeless geeks in NWO
>Nash breaking the streak
>Wasting DDP on the Undertaker stalker angle
>The Rock being involved in the John Cena heel turn
>Aleister Black's father not using brand name birth control on that fateful night in 1984

>>18169608 (OP)
Invasion easily
>>18171679
It catered to the Extreme Sports/Y2K/New Millennium aesthetic at the time, but yeah it does not hold up compared to the previous logo

>>18169608 (OP)
Battle of Britain,Bay Of Pigs,Afghanistan conflict,Mongolmania running wild on eurasia,9/11,Trail of tears,Hitler fumbling the main event against jews,Kevin Nash incident of 92

>>18169608 (OP)
Starrcade 92

>>18169891
was that seriously his plan? JFL corny is such a tard.