Bischoff is trying to claim credit for the Attitude Era

im so tired of this old fuck, nwo wasn't even his idea cuz he stole that shit from japan

>>18190658
japan didn’t invent factions retard

>>18190623 (OP)
ai slop

>>18190623 (OP)
Without the nWo getting hot and wcw going on a run vince would've had no motivation to stop with the shitty employee gimmicks, plumber, garbageman, evil dentist, etc. So yeah, Bischoff and Hogan lit the spark that created the attitude era.

>>18190623 (OP)
He deserves some, whether he was talented or a good guy. NWO changed the game.

>>18190658
It was Larry Zybyszko's idea

>>18190623 (OP)
NWO is the most important faction in wrestling history. You can argue they changed wrestling for the worst. I wouldn’t be mad at you. But their impact changed wrestling forever. You have Pre NWO and Post NWO.
HOWEVER, all of the main NWO angles were written out by Kevin Sullivan. Eric needs to give him his fuckin credit.
Eric created the concept.
Kevin made it reality.

>>18190623 (OP)
Why do you people insist on posting screencaps instead of the fucking savable image?

>>18190852
dis nigga saw that ai pic and thought 'goddamn better share this in high res with the boys'

>>18190852
How else will I know who retweeted who because it's so fucking important

>>18190860
Or maybe I'm tired of every board being full of phone posters who would screencap this img with the unimportant response from Natty rather than just post the img

>>18190888
don't let me stop the crusade buddy
go get em

>>18190623 (OP)
Who the fuck cares?

>>18190623 (OP)
Attitude Era won, so it gets the name.

>>18190949
Yeah that's fair actually

>>18190837
>for the worst
It's "for the worse", you fucking retard.

>>18191004
for the wurst what is this germany haha

>>18191018
Ich finde dass, WWE ist die beste! WCW ist schlect

>>18190792
No, WCW and WWE had to step up their game because of ECW.

>>18191029
Fuch you.

>>18191196
garry fuchs??

>>18190852
The entire point of the screencap is to show that Bischoff retweeted it

>>18190852
It’s an AI pic, it’s not like it’s worth posting in higher res anyway

>>18190852
We have people shilling their twitter accounts unapologetically. It's sickening.

>>18191225
Nice detective work dick

>>18191283
i second his notion
i'm his partner on the force, he might be a wildcard but he gets results

>Easy E resorting to reposting AI slop just because it praises him
A new low.

>>18190623 (OP)
>>18190852
Easy E has the best hair of all Pro Wrestling

>>18191283
>>18191289
All in a days work gentlemen. Wherever Jeets try to shill sloppa, I’ll be there to put a stop to it. Or at least point it out.

>>18190623 (OP)
couldn't have done it without Greg Gagne

>>18191183
......anon......

>>18191931
don't tell him nobody normal knew what ecw was and the big two just stole their shit wholesale and raided their talent at will

>>18191944
Yes WWE and WCW stole the successful hardcore attitude and all the ultraviolent gimmicks and wrestlers because ECW kicked off the attitude era.

>>18191944
>nobody normal knew what ecw was
Sure that must be why the ECW invasion happened and there were active ECW roster members sitting ringside and coming onto WWE television to kickstart the violence of the attitude era.

>>18191952
anon, they portrayed the leader of ECW as Stephanie McMahon
Steve Austin was the captain of The Alliance
>>18191948
You can do that forever in wrestling, are you going to tell me ECW was just a cheap copy of Puerto Rico bladefests or an American imitation of jap deathmatches now? Everyone copies what gets over, if they don't, they're stupid.

>>18191952
oh you mean the Raw is War one
well, that was cross-promotion when neither of them were doing very well. remember that ecw got a monthly stipend from vince for favouritism and developing a couple guys
did any of them stick around at all?

>>18191183
hahahaha good one

>>18191944
WWF copied them but WCW during their heyday didn't in the slightest. Signing Public Enemy and Raven doesn't count.

>>18191975
You must be forgetting the WCW Hardcore title, but yeah they more took the talent and wasted em. Mike Awesome, fat chick thriller lol.

>>18190623 (OP)
>AI slop worshipping boomers
grim

>>18191952
didn't that fall apart really quick
people refusing to job i heard

Eric is a retard and killed TNA, but he got the nWo and the presentation of Nitro absolutely right. Those are the two things he did very very well and it was intentional and not an accident. WWF in 1996 was a gay outdated disaster compared to what WCW was doing

>>18190733
they invented inter-promotion invading faction angle, which even Bischoff is on record saying it influenced him, you zoomer cumstain

>>18192019
i distinctly remember hearing that when Randy Savage's dad had his outlaw shindie bought out they did an invasion angle, idk if that's before whatever the japanese nwo thing was but it had been done

>>18191998
1995. 1996 is when they started the edgier stuff.

>>18191958
No the invasion before the attitude era and buyout, not the WWECW brand invasion.

>>18192019
Ric Flair, real world's champion run

>>18192031
Yeah I realised, also I was being hyperbolic but my real point was that ECW was a distant enough third that I honestly think only dedicated wrestling fans were likely to have heard about it. All I hear was that they had shit timeslots in the middle of the night.

>>18190852
Who gives a fuck, this thread will be dead soon anyways you fag

>>18192038
Just because they weren't the most popular organization doesn't mean they didn't create the most popular style of attitude that the other more popular organizations obviously ripped off to maintain popularity.

>>18192049
>create
please tell me what you think ecw 'created' besides a lingering smell in the bingo hall
let me guess, steve austin does a couple of shoot style promos, hence they created stone cold
or is it them inventing garbage wrestling like they didn't hire Mick out of that deathmatch tournament
the grungy feel? it was the late 90s man, everyone in the big two wore black jeans and half the themes were hart or johnston covering popular rock
tell me what the fuck ecw is so fucking amazing for doing PLEASE

>>18192027
Savage's ICW invasion was before both the UWF invasion angle in the 80s the 90s UWFi invasion of NJPW, but that doesn't mean that's where Bischoff got the idea from. He says he got it from the latter, which makes sense since it was an absolute gigadraw and made NJPW SKYROCKET.
Any people who have only watched modern NuJapan and think that they've seen hot crowds need to do themselves a favour and watch some NJPW vs. UWF or NJPW vs. UWFi.

>>18192147
That's earlier than I expected, I concede the point.
My only cope is but where did those gooks get the idea? If we go back far enough, I bet the travelling circuses did invasion angles.

>>18192069
Heyman booking absolute miracles and kino with limited guys is the true genius of ECW imo, guy could get a dude over that couldn't talk, work or walk if he wanted to.

>>18192069
things WWE ripped off directly from ECW
>3-way matches
>UFC/Shoot fighter gimmicks
>pregnancy angles
>lesbian angles
>crucifixion angles
>brawling throughout the crowd
All hallmarks of the "attitude era" storylines and main event style

>>18192069
That part

>>18192180
>>3-way matches
nta and not disagreeing with your overall point, but didnt wwf do these before/same time as ecw? i thought both heyman and prichard called up cornette to verify how the gimmick worked since he "invented" it in smw

>>18192180
You've got a point with a couple of those, but I think it's very telling that the edgy angles they used (to greater effect) were written by Russo, who was a massive smark addicted to dirtsheets, so the copying argument works better.
Taz's larp also doesn't count as the original when they go and get an actual UFC fighter and if they popularised crowd brawling then that's a mark against em lol. Time wasting fucks, I'd rather watch a chinlock.
Also maybe they invented three way elimination matches, i think they credit that one funk's in as the first on ppv.

>>18192192
ECW had been doing them since at least 1993.
The first WWE 3-way was in 97

>>18192180
>brawling throughout the crowd
That's been a thing since the territory days though.

>>18192147
Legit one of the best shows of all time. Mutoh almost bled to death and the building was shaking with Hashimoto beat Takada.

>>18192195
>Taz's larp also doesn't count as the original when they go and get an actual UFC fighter
ECW HAD an actual UFC fighter they brought in to job to Taz
>and if they popularised crowd brawling then that's a mark against em lol.
A retarded bong, of course. The brawling is what made WWE more fresh than WCW, who only allowed it occasionally in the midcard, and it became staple of almost all WWE's main events

>>18192219
No fucking shit moron, but it didn't become a regular thing in WWE until they started dealing with ECW

>>18192229
oh yeah, who? Ludvig Borgia lol? This'll be good.

>>18192158
>My only cope is but where did those gooks get the idea?
Lots of those guys worked in the US in various territories and undoubtedly picked up ideas during their time there and brought them back to Japan. Japanese wrestlers knew their shit and studied US tapes/went on excursions to America, Mexico and the UK to learn.
Despite that fact, it's not so far out to imagine two promotion owners coming up with an invasion angle over a few beers even if they'd never seen one before. It's literally just 'wouldn't it be cool if my guys got to fight your guys?' with a few extra steps.

>>18192264
kill all zoomers

>>18192229
It's a matter of opinion but I personally fucking hate crowd brawling, the walk and brawl in particular always looked very unnatural to me.
Also, I come from a land down under, for what's that worth. You can attack that if you're uncomfortable getting btfo because you swallowed every fuckng thing Heyman said about ECW and it's influence.

>>18192274
He's a completely irrelevant guy from the tournament days of UFC, isn't he? Fuck it I'll just look it up.

>>18192281
>NOOOOOO IT DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE >WELL JUST BECAUSE OK

>>18192274
Oh hey Paul Varelans I was expecting somebody straight out of the first UFC, that's pretty legit for an early fighter.
Could have just told me, fuckwit.

>>18192209
cheers anon. i must have conflated the heyman call with some of cornettes other stories

>>18192277
Why would I need Heyman to tell me something that's easily verified by watching the programming?

>>18192293
Mostly referring to his portrayal of himself and ECW over the years, particularly that dvd documentary that did so well it launched the ONS shows. He has a way of portraying the promotion as the genesis of anything that made money in the mid to late 90s, mostly to inflate his worth and mitigate the fact that he didn't pay anyone.

>>18190623 (OP)
Hes right, NWO sparked the more adult oriented gritty stripped down approach that WWF would take and run with. Vinces idea of wrestling was alway the cartoony shit, he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the AE. As soon as he won the war he slowly went back to his cartoony shit.

>>18192019
>they invented inter-promotion invading faction angle
No they didn't, retard.

>>18192347
>NWO sparked the more adult oriented gritty stripped down approach that WWF would take and run with.
There was nothing gritty or stripped down about Nitro/WCW, dude. THAT is some BS revision.

RAW was literally in gyms and looked more like an indy by comparison. WCW could never actuallybe edgy, that was whole problem when Russo tried to Raw-ify the show. By 97 Bret was cursing out Vince and they were lynching Ahmed Johnson and Piper was on the other channel speaking gibberish.

>>18192376
Did so

>>18192393
I think there's a period there where WCW are really embracing the changing winds and the NWO is on fire where they look like the mature show because WWF hasn't quite had Austin explode yet.
The fashion also helps. Just makes it look 90s and more real than idk Crush and Doink doing promos in full gear.

>>18192408
Mature, less cartoony yes. But filming from the Mall of America and MGM Studios wasn't gritty television

>>18191998
>Eric is a retard and killed TNA
Retards have been saying this for years, as if the buck didn't stop with Dixie. Eric and Hogan only had control over Hogan's creative specifically, contractually. It's not their fault a money mark favored them at the expense of other shit on the card. Dixie was at the source of most stupid decisions at TNA.

>>18192426
I get what you mean, but it's a big contrast from the dungeon of doom days. I prefer the AE before Russo turns it into incomprehensible shit, honestly.

>>18192429
Yeah it stops with Dixie, she is retarded also, but TNA had a very unique presentation but as soon as Eric came in her overthrew all of that and what were they left with? WWE life in Orlando studios and it also crippled them going on the road per his recommendation. I actually like Eric,.but I think he got it wrong with TNA, despite his best intentions. The 6 sided ring and impact zone was unusual, but it did give TNA an identity and he came in and tried to turn it into WWE lite

>>18192408
Another thing, and this is important: much easier to masturbate to what Marlena and Sunny were wearing after the show than the Nitro Girls.

>>18190623 (OP)
Why do boomers love AI slop so much?

>>18192429
I'm gonna blame all three of them. Share the love. She's a dumb money mark, but those two knew they were taking her money for nothing past a certain point. I doubt they were desperately trying to right the ship only to be railroaded at every turn by Dixie into the wrong decisions.

>>18190623 (OP)
Bischoff has a valid claim to it. No Bischmeister lighting a fire under Vince ass, no Attitude Era.

>>18192468
i don't think they can tell sometimes, i mean how often are they getting exposed to it? meanwhile we're here looking at images all fucking day, can spot a shop cos a couple pixels look weird and now can spot ai pics on sight cos we associate it with low effort oc and spammers
meanwhile in the boomer brain: haha that pic is crazy, lol the gorilla is in jerry's fridge. watch out, jerry!

>>18192468
>>18192701
to be fair, unless you spot the text in the top left thats fucked, theres nothing about this image that really screams AI. especially if youre just looking at the thumbnail preview. looks like it even got the hands right htis time

>>18190658
>>18190806
Hogan came up with it, but he wanted it to be him, The Booty Man and The Nasty Boys

>>18192711
>theres nothing about this image that really screams AI
it's in the style of a vintage paperback, it's AI slop 101

>>18192711
the image fucking existing screams AI dude, you think all of a sudden someone just did an old school comic cover that would take a talented person a lot of time, while also getting their facial features not quite right but close enough?

>>18192718
oh so you guys arent looking for faults in generation just 'this style is typical for ai'. fair enough,

>>18191183
This is the real answer. ECW actually brought something new to the table, and when it became popular the big two immediately started copying it. The attitude era should have been called the EXTREME era because ECW started it. Vince started copying ECW because he was getting desperate. WCW was winning at the time and that made for a rare case where Vince was willing to try something new. So he ripped off ECW's style while also parasitizing them and stealing their talent, and the "attitude era" was the result.

>>18192730
Is hiring talent they're not paying stealing?
Can you copyright chair shots as shortcuts for bad wrestlers?

>>18190623 (OP)
Not good

>>18190623 (OP)
Why tho

>>18190792
Without Eric Bischoff modern wrestling would suck

>>18192730
There is also the fact that most of the 96-97 WWF roster were full of former WCW-ECW guys who left to Vince because the former treated them like garbage the moment the good ol boys were hired and ECW honed their rage at that situation thanks to Heyman.
Even WWF were promoting stone cold's ECW VHS with him ripping hogan and bishoff.
It was Bret and Michaels who began pushing to more crazier stuff even before NWO happened because at that period you had TV shows and movies showing breasts and other shit at prime time on cable, and mostly because everyone at WWF minus vince were even at ECW events and watching the tapes.

ECW had the trash energy old MTV had that everyone loved it.

>>18194992
BITCHshut had no hand in this, all was ECW.

>>18190623 (OP)
he's right. no bischoff ran wcw = no attitude era.

>>18195883
>mostly because everyone at WWF minus vince were even at ECW events and watching the tapes
lol

>>18194992
modern wrestling does suck...

>>18191183
thats like saying michael jackson and madonna had to step up their game because of the pixies

>>18190852
>1956
HUH

>>18192393
By grittier he meant a slightly more serious and adult-oriented product like the NWO beating people with baseball bats and the worked-shoot angle with Benoit stealing Sullivan's wife.
WWF was doing embarrassing kids cartoon stuff with Doink and Dink in those high schools gym shows. Which is partly why they were running there to begin with.

>>18190852
Why is Hogan so short? What did Bischoff mean by this? Is he one of those height fags?

>>18196164
>worked-shoot angle with Benoit stealing Sullivan's wife
but that was sullivans idea/booking. eric was never a booker

>>18196268
uh, do you mean in a technical sense? he had a ton of input on just about everything

>>18190623 (OP)
boomers LOVE their AI slop

>>18196357
>he had a ton of input on just about everything
actually he didnt. if you notice he never calls himself a booker

>>18198220
Vince wasn't the booker either that was Pat Patterson, but we don't let Vince skate away from all that shit he greenlit.
I have heard that Bischoff's podcast is pretty wacky, the guy can be very very careful with language to portray things a certain way.

>>18192029
Attitude didn't really start until thebfactions did in 97. Hart foundation, nation of domination, and dx

>>18198275
and even that is different from the 99 AE which was just all over the place

NWO
FO FO FO
LYFE

>>18192730
>The attitude era should have been called the EXTREME era because ECW started it
neither of those would have existed without hogan's heel turn getting eyes to watch wrestling again.
it was the nWo era, kids.

>>18198256
>Vince wasn't the booker either
no vince was the booker. he made the decisions and people like pat planned the matches. in wcw they had a booking committee and board of executives which wcw had to answer to. kevin sullivan was a head booker for years though. bischoff was never on the booking team

>>18199868
yeah yeah pass the buck Bitchoff, heard it before

>>18192019
without knowing anything about the japanese invasion angle outside of it being an inter-promotion invading faction angle, i highly doubt it was anything like the nWo beyond that surface-level description.

>>18190623 (OP)
>stolen from japan
of COURSE burgerlanders must have "invented" it

>>18190623 (OP)
why do boomers worship AI slop

>>18200092
Eric was in the audience for the big blowoff to the program, it's where he got the idea from, and he admits that. Move on

>>18196164
>By gritty he meant other words that have different meanings
>like the NWO beating people with baseball bats
Brother, the Nasty Boys were brawling with bats and doing table spots with Missy Hyatt at her sluttiest years before Nitro was ever greenlit.
>Benoit stealing Sullivan's wife.
Soap operas are gritty now? Why are you even trying to further this you sound like a fucking idiot. We can agree the company moved on from Johnny B Badd and the Ding Dongs without making it something it wasn't, even for its time.

>>18201473
>Brother, the Nasty Boys were brawling with bats and doing table spots with Missy Hyatt at her sluttiest years before Nitro was ever greenlit.
nobody asked

>>18201473
Look man your vibes and feels arguments just don't beat that in the context of the time it completely changed the feel for something a lot more fucking serious and mature than Hogan vs the Dungeon of Doom and this is very well established. The tone of the show immediately shifted, it was a company wide angle.
You seeing the Nasty Boys use bats once doesn't dispute this.

>>18190623 (OP)
who gives a fuck what some irrelevant old man says about anything? Especially enough to necrobump?

>>18190623 (OP)
this is probably the only thing i agree with Bischoff on