Thread 18266051

What exactly started the downward spiral AEW has been on for the past 4 years? They started off so hot and now they get maybe 1500 people showing up for television, regularly are sub 600k in the ratings and PPVs are doing TNA tier numbers. I'm wondering if we can pinpoint what started AEW's demise.

>30k fans
>highest attendance they've hit in the US
>downward spiral
kek ya know the e-drones finna bubblin over All In

>>18266051 (OP)
shut the FUCK up you fucking clown

>>18266051 (OP)
Brawl In and the biggest draw they will ever have getting pushed out

>>18266051 (OP)
Well, for one, being unwatchable slop for trannies

>>18266051 (OP)
OP is a deranged reposting lunatic
https://archive.palanq.win/pw/search/image/Lpf5bLIqmu6gIEO5lQPh7w/

>>18266051 (OP)
The hype wore off. Simple as. Everyone now realizes it's just a glorified indie promotion.

>>18266081
GREAT find Anon
I was just about to reply earnestly to the OP and all
Thanks for letting me know it's just a recurring troll.

>>18266051 (OP)
>PPVs are doing TNA tier numbers
AEW lowest drawing PPV ever still clears TNA's highest drawing PPV ever by a significant margin
TNA has not once ever had a PPV get more than 60,000 buys.
AEW PPVs are regularly still doing 100,000+ buys for years now
This sentence is a complete and total lie.

>>18266068
>30k
Just like the first All In got 80k, right? Why does your cult leader lie to you so much and how do you still believe him at this point after all the times he has been objectively proven to be a liar

>>18266051 (OP)
It's been in a downward spiral since the first fucking episode of Dynamite. Shit is boring and it sucks. Completely ruined all the hype and momentum the indies had leading up to its founding.

>>18266081
Can you look up the faggot who keeps looking up shit on the archive and see how many times he posted in the last week? Im curious to see those numbers

>>18266118
>AEW PPVs are regularly still doing 100,000+ buys for years now
>This sentence is a complete and total lie.
Well at least you are being honest now

>>18266144
AEW's lowest drawing PPV ever still clears TNA's highest drawing PPV ever by a significant margin.
TNA has not once ever had a PPV get more than 60,000 buys.
AEW PPVs are regularly still doing 100,000+ buys for years now.
Saying "AEW PPVs are doing TNA tier numbers" is a complete objective lie

Don't know that I've ever seen the drones this angry

hhh's 'counter programming' appears to be a bigger backfire than raw on netflix

>>18266155
Meltzer reports the PPV buy numbers. If you look at the youtube buys, it was less than 10k. How many other outlets are there to buy the ppv on? We can figure out a real estimate if we know that. My guess is 50k-60k

>>18266119
We don't have a cult leader, and your lies about AEW are not objective.

>>18266191
>My guess is 50k
oh you made this failed thread >>18263698
why did you change to sub-20k then? >>18265236

>>18266119
>Just like the first All In got 80k,
the first All In was 2018 and drew 10,ooo paid, and 11,263 total in building
you retard
All In 2023 was the 2nd All In.
Not first.

>>18266191
saaars we can guessing that aew sold 500 ppv buys saar they are badly failing like TNA

>>18266214
*10,000 paid,

>>18266205
That wasn't me schizo.
>>18266215
I didn't see anything to GMS, you illiterate seething fag. Reality isn't your friend, it seems.

>>18266051 (OP)
It's just not good

>>18266068
How many tickets did they sell for the Dynamite after?

>>18266279
Couldn't sell out a 3k bingo hall, I'm afraid

>>18266068
>30k fans
It's been confirmed that only 9400 showed up and less than 20k bought the ppv. Lmao at the tranny fed

>>18266214
Was the first All In an AEW PPV?

>>18266051 (OP)
Lack of coherent storylines,midget epidemic,tony is cringe,bucks act like its 2010 with their reddit irony,omega looks ugly and wrestles like a gymnast,no psychology,too much gay shit,mjf being a miz lookalike without his charm and I could go on but you know whats the top reason ?
They were made to counter late vince wwe which was haphazard and often nonsensical but nevertheless entertaining.
After HHH got the book the hole that was there close and squeezed the aew cork out,since then audience been leaving the wrestling as a whole or switching to wwe to watch cody whom the top guys forced to leave.
All that equals one thing,No Milly.

>>18266051 (OP)
Very first cracks appeared when they tried to arrogantly force Sammy as a face, and hot potato'd the TNT title. That was the first time the crowd hated what Tony was doing. Then the Wardlow fumble. Then Ricky Starks fumbles. Then losing Cody (his WM entrance MINDFUCKED Tony). Then losing Jade. Then MJFCole/Devil/Friends bullshit, then feared for my life, then rewarding the Elite with two belts that killed the tag division, then too many belts, then 20 min OC openers, then releasing the Punk security tapes, then LEDs everywhere (a reaction to Cody at WM).

Those were the main hits that fucked them. They've dialled back the LEDs, but it still isn't the same as before in the milly years.

>>18266051 (OP)
The shitty booking in the early days was an indicator that the honeymoon period would not last. Tony choosing the elite over CM Punk was the real nail in the coffin though. Punk was the only true draw they ever had and it felt special that he was back in wrestling until the indy nerds fucked it up out of pure jealousy.

>>18266448
Pretty much this

>>18266051 (OP)
All In was a success this weekend
The problem is AEW can put on good PPVs but weekly TV is fucking abysmal

>>18266051 (OP)
I think it's AEW's autistic fans. They love wokeness. They hate everything about America (Trump, Hogan, etc.). Die hard liberals who worship the transgender community. They lost the war recently. So now they're angrier than ever. Seething uncontrollably. E-Gods won prowrestling and we won politics on a global level. E-Gods have so many wins right now, we just sit back and watch them cry. Not out of our own superiority, but out of pity. Why do AEW leftists lose at everything in life? Because they're not GODS like us.

>>18266448
>Punk was the only true draw they ever had
>couldn't even draw 800k on Collision

>>18266885
Literally everything backfires on them. They spammed that Haitch's counter programming failed and then it came out that All In sold less than 20k ppvs. God absolutely hates AEW.

>>18266051 (OP)
When Tony Khan agreed to start it

>>18267628
>money mark
He didn't start shit. He got fleeced by carnies. And his stupid shitskinned father paid for Tony to just go away. Shadid hates Tony, irl. Loves his daughter though. And so do I. That Arab sucks a mean BWC.

>>18266913
It really does

>>18266051 (OP)
MOX

>>18266279
Or the dynashite before for that matter

>>18266051 (OP)
>PPVs are doing TNA tier numbers.
when teh fuck did TNA ever draw 100,000+ PPV buys ever?
fuck outta here with this nonense

>>18266913
>and then it came out that All In sold less than 20k ppvs
this is schizo headcanon that nobody on the board is putting over for you and it made you very mad today.
An Acutal FACT is that all 3( THREE!) of WWE's sad sad little cope shows they threw at AEW, all their tircket sales combined (that's 3 shows) could not sell more than AEW's singular event All In.
1 single AEW show outdrew 3 WWE shows altogether in the same weekend. That's a fact.
unlike your sad lil cope that you have been pulling for every AEW PPV this year because you have mental illness.

>>18266279
That place just sold out today actually.

>>18269134
If Carlos Silva says they sold 150k ppvs would you believe him? If not then you shouldn't believe Tony who constantly inflates AEWs numbers (Like the YOY ratings bs he tried to pull two weeks ago.)

>>18266051 (OP)
I really dont know anymore. After years of bullshit my brains fried, i remember thinking the first all in and the idea of aew being pretty attention grabbing. I read about it it on espn at the time.

>>18269199
The UFC and Boxing barely get a couple hundred thousand buys these days. AEW is not getting 150K ppv buys. I really wouldn't be shocked if the under 20k thing was legit.

>>18269199
if people like Dave Meltzer/Wade Keller/Sean Ross Sapp/John Pollock also corroborate it, then yes I would.
but that's never going to happen in real life. So why the wildly implausible hypothetical scenario ?

>>18266051 (OP)
Disrespectfully knocking over the photo of Inoki, after invoking his spirit to attend the show, thereby attracting negative attention from the land of wind and ghosts.

>>18269290
Where do they get their numbers from? (HINT: it's from TK)

>>18269248
Of course they arent. The measurables (TV ratings / attendance) are way down but Dave and Co are still say they are getting 125 to 150k lol.

>>18269306
They verify or corroborate the numbers with their sources/ the cable PPV providers etc.
You don't get to deny reality because AEW existing raped your brain. They do 100,000+ PPV buys on the regular. None of these reporters have ever had a case of finding out a completely different PPV number. This conspriacy about AEW PPV butyrates literally only exist in the most fringe and demented corners of the IWC.
Cope

>>18269335
Please post any non wrestle newz source of their PPV numbers. If they are doing 125-150k 12 times a year Im sure there are press releases by PPV platforms about that since those are amazing numbers in 2020s.

No idea I don't watch

>>18270242
Based

>>18266294
It's been confirmed you're a bitch who got 92'ed by jannies

>>18269515
I'm sure if it was untrue surely one of you crack e-drone journalists would've found out by now?

>>18266423
>mindfucked

enough about (You)

>>18266051 (OP)
Not sure

>>18269335
>None of these reporters have ever had a case of finding out a completely different PPV number
No cable provider has ever told shit retard fake journalist wrestling marks any numbers, at all. There is no incentive to ever do so, it can only ever be used against them when it comes time to renegotiate contracts. PPV numbers have always been made up by senile Meltzer

You have to be a special kind of retarded to think it's everyone else's job to disprove fake journalists' unsourced numbers - and if nobody does so, then it makes their fabricated numbers true. Life doesn't work that way.

no slidey

>>18272925
This will take a while

>>18271250
>7hrs between posts
>>18272925
Your life is sad and empty

>>18273234
how many hours between this reply and the 7 hrs one that made you seethe like a scared pedo bitch?

>>18273234
You can play pretend you don't check /pw/ or Facebook or anywhere else more than once per day, that's fine, but it doesn't mirror reality. This isn't 1998 any more, we have tabbed browsers, it's easier than ever to check in on your old convos before starting new ones

>>18266068
AEW's biggest month of the year is going to end up with under 40k total fans across 10 shows. Ghoulish.

>>18274601
Only 40 thousand fans!

>>18266051 (OP)
Hangman's first title reign was weak after Danielson, leaving the Punk/MJF feud to carry the company
Punk/Hangman was kind of a shit match but optimism was high having a real star as champ again. Then he broke his foot, and the booking started to suck during the summer
Punk/Mox for the belt was a godawful feud but the match was good, and Punk with the belt again made it seem like the decline of the previous months would level out and things would be good
Then Brawl Out happened
Booking really started to suck, just total nonsense, not pushing the right guys
Punk came back and his containment show sucked, then he got fired, faith in a good show was essentially smoked and dusted
MJF had well worn out his welcome by this point
Booking never really got better, talent started to leave
Really it all goes back to putting the belt on Hangman at Full Gear 2021, that was the canary in the coal mine, but Hangman being a prima Donna about dropping the belt to a bankable name was where the trouble really started, and then Punk's injuries put nails in the coffin

>>18274601
That's so grim when one of them was trannymania

>>18273915
>provides vivid detail on how sad and empty and terminally online his life is
grim

>>18266051 (OP)
Serious answer: when Tony took full control of the book. The EVPs weren't particularly good at booking but they provided different perspectives and kind of balanced each other out, resulting in AEW's best run of shows. But once Tony took their power away it was all over. His autism overpowered everything and doomed the company.

>>18273915
>Facebook
>2025
KEK DIS NIGGA IS 65 YEARS OLD
WHO TF USES FACEBOOK IN 2025

>>18274801
>doomed the company.
yeah doomed the company to a brand new 3yrs, $185 million per year media rights deal.
That's $555 million over the 3 years. Half a billion dollars guaranteed in TV media rights money.
"doom" indeed.

>>18266051 (OP)
just look at how their remaining fans act and you know why nobody wants to be associated with that group

>>18266214
>10,ooo
what an odd mistake to make

>>18274826
and yet the company STILL hasn't turned a profit

>>18275877
>b-b-b-but the profits!!!!!!

>>18266051 (OP)
It started. It's been complete shit from the get go

>>18275899
profits have always been the measure of success for a business, dipshit. that never moved

>>18266051 (OP)
Dunno but they are having a show at a mexican restaurant rn

>>18278091
I've been at that venue for various things. Somehow they shrunk it by 10x
Maybe it's the ring, but I've also been to NXT Live in a nearby location. Not only was it 3 times the size, but they had to do two shows in one day due to high demand. Years ago mind you, I sat behind Frank The Clown and Brock Lesnar Fan. In any case, AEW is a failure.

>"My name is AEW and I give you bloody diarrhea."
Seriously, how did AEW fuck up so bad? I literally heard a fan say, "Pass the chips, spic!"

The big issue is just that they have an overwhelmingly green roster. You take all their best guys they ever had and you can maybe make 1 hour of watchable TV every week.
Punk and Danielson should have been bigger deals, but they were too beat up and old when they showed up. These guys were hugely over with all wrestling fans, and were seen as getting over despite the WWE and not because of it. They would have made perfect EVPs or pillars to a start up AEW.
Their other big issue is their fans are too dishonest. A company like AEW could thrive on word of mouth, but when you have people lying about the worst stuff in AEW being their favorite parts, no one trusts them and they just think AEW is WWE for fags.

>>18278091
Nice. Mexican food is delicious

>>18279365
>The big issue is just that they have an overwhelmingly green roster.
I don't watch AEW because I see enough of it on Botchamania. Did you know Tony tried to shut them down for showing AEW clips? I hate that faggot.

>>18266913
>God absolutely hates AEW.
Don't we all

>>18279365
>overwhemingly green
>their midcard washouts immediately waltz into WWE

thanks for the footage from March tho

>>18269175
cook him

>>18280085
>Did you know Tony tried to shut them down for showing AEW clips?
This is a lie and never happened in real life
Why are all drones such craven liars

>>18266303
It is now.

>>18266361
>After HHH got the book the hole that was there close and squeezed the aew cork out,
Sure that must be why HHH keeps hiring AEW talent.

>>18274826
Rampage got cancelled. Collision is getting canceled. That's 2/3rds of AEW programming cancelled less than 1 year into the "3 year media rights deal". WBD will terminate the deal and shitcan the tranny rodeo I'm afraid.

>>18274741
>durr you waited 7 hours to post
>hurr that means you are terminally online

>>18280548
Are you really surprised that people whose entire identity is based around fake fighting have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality?

>>18280582
All true

>>18281442
That is not the greatest news

>>18266051 (OP)
The real reason conosole warriors are not going to mention is that Tony hired a buch shitty tv writres.

>>18266051 (OP)
Tony R Khan

He won't like this!

Tony Khan being the booker.

Yeehaw

>>18266051 (OP)

Do the math:

Cost Category Estimate
Talent Pay (full roster guaranteed pay each day) $200,000–$500,000
Crew (TV, production) $50,000–$150,000
Venue rental $10,000–$20,000
Travel & Lodging $15,000–$30,000
Insurance/security $5,000–$10,000
Misc/Overhead $5,000–$10,000
Total Cost Range $285,000–$720,000+

Revenue: $44K–$66K
Expenses: $285K–$720K

Net loss: ~$220K–$675K
per night running at los pollos hermanos

>>18266051 (OP)
Being unwatchably bad

>>18283855
Grok is this factual?

And the spiral continues as hangman tanks the ratings

>>18285832
Yup.

People didn't want a new wrestling company they wanted WWE to be watchable again

>>18286584
WWE is unwatchable under HHH they need Vince back

>>18285832
Homos 4 hangman didn't show up

>>18266051 (OP)
Punk, it was Punk, how many threads?

>Cody was a plant
>Young Buck came in for themselves
>Y2J and Punk make it all about themselves
They are screw from the very begining and even worse they drag NJPW down the toilet with them.

>>18266051 (OP)
has it really been 4 years? it feels to me like only 2 or 3 that they've been going down.
i feel like it was losing punk, who is objectively a gargantuan draw. but he wanted to get fired anyway so it was going to happen eventually.

>>18275834
is there something more to unpack here?

>>18283855

Add in the merch and food and they are in the positive

Now I don't watch aew but my step father does. What I've seen is they seem to botch quiet a bit. They also have no memorable story lines or strong characters. Ik moxley has been doing that heel gimmick for some time and Tony storm has been doing her lesbian angle but yk that's all I know.
Cody and cm punk jumped ship too so ya