What polls are those Dave?

>>18287387 (OP)
Wow sounds like the number must be really good. Makes you wonder why they've literally never released anything suggesting that.

>>18287387 (OP)
watch the piggiEs squeal bout this one folks

all the polls are saying this (the poll where his friends responded)

>>18287387 (OP)
>dave
>friends
The observer subscribers arent his friwnds juat paypigs.

>>18287387 (OP)
kek E-Tards BTFO

genuinely asking where they came from. They were getting the same numbers basically the weeks before and after going on MAX, so where did these hundreds of thousands of extra viewers come from? Going on MAX did not make a couple hundred thousand new fans if it did we'd hear about it in two ways one being AEW and two being MAX both entities would be very happy about viewership and subs and shit. I genuinely want to know where Dave thinks these fans came from. No, your friend watching on MAX is not proof or a poll, it's one person.

>>18287395
>What polls are those Dave?
His own audience, because Dave is a fucking retard who doesn't understand what selection bias is.

>>18287387 (OP)
surely this anecdotal evidence if proof

>>18287387 (OP)
Many are saying this

>>18287426
Tony didnt even bother tweeting about the millions of MAX viewers like he did that fake demo 40-90 number

>>18287426
>genuinely asking where they came from. They were getting the same numbers basically the weeks before and after going on MAX, so where did these hundreds of thousands of extra viewers come from?
Dave can't answer that because Dave is a retard who doesn't understand statistics and deductive reasoning.

I'm not saying Dave is right or wrong but streaming numbers are literally not publicly released so we probably will never know

It happened in his mind so to him those 6 millions views on max are real.

>>18287426
Yeah the number stayed the same for about a month no one ever talks about that

>>18287387 (OP)
SO WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS AND WHY DO YOU NEVER REPORT THEM DAVE IT'S A VERY EASY QUESTION

so they have gained viewers on max but they need to run tv out of a taco bell and still can't sell out?

>>18287463
Chuck E Cheese Trannymite next week finna be fire

>>18287459
>SO WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS AND WHY DO YOU NEVER REPORT THEM DAVE IT'S A VERY EASY QUESTION
Dave will state one minute that he doesn't know the number, which is true because literally no one does, then he was emphatically state that they are doing hundreds of thousand on Max with literally no proof.
This is despite the fact that Max is the 2nd worst performer streaming service right now in terms of viewship

>>18287487
he changes whether he knows the streaming and revenue numbers based on the argument

does this include collision? is dave arguing that a collision more than doubled it's viewership overnight and the network is still fucking with it's time slow?

>>18287387 (OP)
>dave
>friends
your sons friends aren't your friends too dave

>>18287387 (OP)
So Raw on Netflix is a failure because the streaming audience isn't trained to tuning in at a specific time to watch a show, but AEW somehow has higher viewership on Max?

>>18287426
Dave desperately clings to it because every metric we can observe is going down, so he had to believe that the one metric that no one knows is actually doing really well

>>18287500
Collision never comes up funnily enough. These magic new AEW viewers only watch Dynamite according to Dave.

>Uhhhh me and my friends use Max
Fuck me this nigga desperate

>>18287387 (OP)
>more meltzer headcanon
"most of my friend watch on max"... this is journalism right?

>>18287459
>>18287487
The ratings and sources are literally published every week in the observer. Every week. Every rating. Every source.

https://x.com/nicklopiccolo/status/1946038062905254332

Nick ended Dave again

>>18287500
>>18287518
No joke, I didn't even know Collision even streams on Max because literally no one ever talks about it

>>18287532
Nick stop posting your tweets, you are just as lame just on the other side.

>>18287426
You don't seem to understand how ratings work.

The people represented in ratings all have Nielson ratings box that they use to watch various things on television, as part of an agreement with Nielsen.
Why would the people specifically with a vested interest in continuing to watch on television suddenly watch on MAX?

The reason the ratings didn't change is because ratings isn't actually an ACCURATE MEASUREMENT OF LIVE VIEWERSHIP -- it's a PROJECTION of total viewership (a GUESS) based on the percentage of Nielsen box holders who are watching and hitting the button their special remote.
It's a weird, shitty, very inexact way to gauge ratings and in my opinion it's always been a bit of a scam for marketing people to push big ad contracts.

>>18287532
The only thing more pathetic than Dave arguing with this Guineau was his feud against fucking Grok.

>>18287543
That's not true anymore. With the rise of digital, it's much more accurate to track this stuff. If you watch YouTube TV or Hulu + Live TV or Sling, Nielsen is tracking that.

At best, they are doing +25% of their audience on Max, so anything from 75K-120K
Which is a fine number, but these guys have to lie to themselves and claim it's way more than that.

>>18287558
That's a separate thing though. We're not talking about Nielsen's involvement in streaming metrics, we're talking about why the television Nielsen ratings didn't change and the answer is obvious: because those people have a box.

Nielsen's contracts measuring streaming metrics are totally different. They're private agreements with individual companies and they're only publicly reported of that company chooses to publicly report them. Not everyone who has a Nielsen box also has Nielsen tracked streaming data and not every streaming service uses Nielsen to track streaming data -- some of them have their own registries.

t. knower

>>18287561
>75K-120K
You are fucking tripping groove. NBA wishes they could get those numbers.l on streaming.

>>18287568
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, with the WB split that's coming up, WB will probably drop live sports and programming from MAX in 2026 or 2027.

>>18287558
>>18287566
I should also point out that the way ad time is rated has also completely changed and that streaming data is dead accurate and easily recordable and able to be interpreted by any layman which is a huge change from the old Nielsen box system.

Because the measure of Nielsen box TV ratings is so much more inexact than streaming data, ad time is less expensive than it used to be for everything but major events and major sports. It's why you might've noticed more commercials featuring smaller companies, pharmaceuticals, the kind of ads you would only see late at night or on low-ratings niche channels 10 or 20 years ago. Ad time for a lot of things is a lot more available and a lot cheaper than it used to be on cable television aside from the exceptions mentioned previously.
Big streaming services (those with external ads) typically cater to larger brands and companies and it's because they have more exact viewership metrics and can be more demanding with their ad rates.

>>18287602
>Big streaming services (those with external ads) typically cater to larger brands and companies and it's because they have more exact viewership metrics and can be more demanding with their ad rates.
also, to clarify again, this is why big money backed streaming in the first place and turned away from cable

>>18287543
Anon from the top rope.

>>18287667
>pitiful samefag
Do better xister

>>18287543
>It's a weird, shitty, very inexact way to gauge ratings
luckily now we can get dave meltzer to poll his friends to get real numbers

>>18287543
>>18287667
Also another fun fact, the people who have Nielsen TV boxes are also paid monthly to use them. They absolutely have a vested interest to stay on television.

>>18287453
It was real in Dave's mind

>>18287579
will this affect AEW programming?

dave has no friends, who is he kidding? everyone of his "friends" in the biz have publicly admonished him and we all know he's too autistic for IRL friends

>>18287673
Not that anon, I have no stakes in your console war. I'm only here because I like to watch Japanese women bully each other.

However I work in advertising and deal with this stuff 5 days a week
You can believe me or not but it seems like a lot of you have no idea how any of this stuff works

>>18287702
>joshipedo
Yeah big dog you should do humanity a favor and kill kys my man

>>18287387 (OP)
>most of my friends watch on MAX
Blahahahahahaa!!!!
This faggot is so gotten to it's no longer meme territory, it's let's have an intervention territory. Like that Hogtits song on YouTube,
>"Dave rolls across the internet, defending the dub so hard, he breaks a sweat..."

kek reminder that e-drones spent the better part of a DECADE claiming that RAW & Smackdown PLUMMETING is because people watched on The WWE Network instead

(RAW & Smackdown never broadcasted live on The WWE Network)

>>18287426
FITE probably

>>18287395
I’m guessing either Twitter polls or polls done on his forum

>>18287396
millions of trannies watch MAX bro, trust him

>>18287708
>that utter slop he calls lyrics

What an embarrassing, miserable "life".

>>18288282
Yeah e-drones are obsessed with AEW this is known.

>>18287487
He really wants to believe so badly. That’s why he keeps propping up the BJ reporting on the streaming viewers despite the fact that Dave spent months saying that only the very top executives at a company have access to the streaming numbers (as reasoning to explain why streaming numbers would never be published). Yet somehow some no name Twitter “reporter” was able to confirm these numbers with multiple sources at WBD

>>18287396
It's exactly 500k every week, they don't allow more people unless someone leaves the streaming

>>18287387 (OP)
>Netflix is the #1 streaming app
>Raw is always in the top 10, sometimes even #2
>Meltzer wants us to believe it gets less than 500k viewers
>Max is like the 4th most popular streaming app
>Dynamite has never been in the top 10 shows
>Dave wants us to think it gets 500k viewers if not more
Something doesn't add up here...

>>18287543
you are one of the only anons ive seen who correctly described nielsen ratings and rightly viewed them as a poor metric.
in general, how do you feel about the streaming numbers? do you think theyre accurate or is it another facebook pivot to video situation where its lies and bots all the way down?

>>18287543
There was that one anon that said they have a Nielsen box and watched AEW every week on TV until Max, then switched to watching it there instead because they liked the stream more than the TV broadcast.

I had to congratulate them on having a more measurable downward impact on AEW's ratings than anyone else on /pw/ ever had.

>>18287387 (OP)
>the ratings remained roughly the same
>there's magically a new audience that was pirating but is now willing to pay for MAX

>>18287426
yeah I have Max and cable, I just watch on cable because why even bother starting Max and navigating through it? Not like it's commercial free or anything there is no advantage to watching there whatsoever.

>>18289202
AEW looks worse for me on Max than it does on YouTube TV.

>>18287682
The split is going to be the cable stuff is going to one company and the streaming and movie stuff is going to another.

WBD outright said that the the live stream component of HBO Max isn't a big component of Max, but the vast majority of the stuff they live stream is licensed content from the the soon to be Cable Stuff company and it probably cost a shit ton of money to run, so I would guess they are going get rid of the Max live stream.

AEW should be fine as long as the Cable Stuff company wants to keep renewing them.

>>18288299
>Yet somehow some no name Twitter “reporter” was able to confirm these numbers with multiple sources at WBD
BJ Bethel also claimed that Sony was going to buy the the movie WBD company as WBD split, a claim that literally no major Hollywood business insider has claimed or even acknowledge, I know because I follow a lot of them. Literally no one have knowledge of that since the fucking WBD split hasn't even happened yet

>>18287387 (OP)
dronies didn't like this one

>everyone switched to MAX
So using this retarded logic the MAX viewership should really be the difference in figures before and after it moved there. E.g.
>500k viewers before MAX
>now at 300k
>MAX viewers is 200k
This is still lower than the 500k figure Dave pulled out of his ass.

>>18290665
see >>18287543
you dumb

Cable is dead. Studios are desperate and are over saturating the streaming market.
TV is dwindling, but streaming is picking up.
AEW on MAX is a smart move. TNT is harder to watch, it's like watching Smackdown on USA network.
Without cable you're out of luck to properly give viewership.
Count all the bootleg watchers, MAX, and TV into the sum of total viewers.

>>18288299
You’d think somebody who is that wired in with the very top of the WBD executive team would have a higher profile as a reporter and would be breaking major media news stories all the time. Wonder why that’s not the case.

>>18287387 (OP)
I got thousands of friends aka the many voices in my head who watch on MAX, too.

>>18287602
Bro there’s no world you should be writing paragraphs about this shit on pw. This place makes threads on AEW PPVs having 6k buys because of the one metric they can see ignoring the fact other metrics very obviously exist. This place makes threads about SmackDown being cancelled rather than very obviously not renewed and moved to another network and it’s really clearly the same people playing both sides endlessly because we’ve had IP counts this place is dead as shit. None of them are interested in learning unless you have a meme for one side or the other literally everything you say will be disregarded and this endless console war will wage on as they argue over shit they’ve made up to argue over with themselves. It’s way beyond over for pw every being an even semi reasonable place to discuss wrestling and its extended to all parts of the internet due too the few who get worked into fighting the console war for real. There’s no fucking point in you trying. It’s over.

>>18287708
I think if you know of the existence of console war songs and site them it’s also time for an intervention.

>>18287387 (OP)
kek this one got the piggiEs squealing