the dronies are already turning on him

Tony Dronies ya mean
All my homies hate tone drones

>>18301148
so funny

>>18301144 (OP)
I saw a clip recently of the WCW match with Jay Leno in it, and honestly I was thinking something similar
Something about seeing Hogan sell for Leno really rubbed me the wrong way

He's not wrong and its been a gripe for a long time amongst wresters now, probably ever since celebrities and outsiders began creeping in. It takes time and money and a spot off the card from someone on the roster. Jelly Roll or whatever the fuck his name is probably is getting a huge payoff for his appearance and his time in compared to someone else and while that someone else is still going to shows and making towns, Jelly Roll's time in wrestling is done after his payoff and publicitiy and then that's it. And its not like celebrity appearances are always the best thing and bring eyes to the product and is good for anything in the long run. There was that one guy who did guest commentary for the Bret Hart vs. 123 Kid match and the shit he was saying nearly ruined what was known now to be a classic. Hell, half the celebrities who showed up during the Guest-GM era were ass. There were exceptions like with The Muppets and Bob Barker but for shit like Jesse Jackson who hated being there, didn't want to participate or do anything and just showed up to promote his shit for childrens literacy and then peace the fuck out with a paycheque helps no one.

Rob's right.

It makes money for the wrestler involved too, you're not "fighting" for art your doing it for entertainment.

>>18301316
The Guest Host era was better than the Attitude and Ruthless aggression era. You're just an AEW mark

>>18301144 (OP)
why? travis scott just proved him right

>>18301343
I still have my penis and a loving relationship with my father, so no. I don't watch the dimeless flippy midget tranny rodeo live from Casa Bonita's women's bathroom.

So if its wrong for actors to try and be wrestlers, why is it ok for wrestlers to try and be actors

>>18301357
How much money did this make and how much of it was laundered?

>>18301357
they already are actors though
just not very good ones
kinda like porn stars

>>18301357
Roddy Piper was the first to break that mould, don't forget it.

The difference is that there are exceptions of course, but a good portion of the stunts and fights and choreography for films will be done by the actor or actress for a few shows, filled in a stunt person for the more complex ones and then these days? Practically can entirely be done in CGI without any involvement from anyone physical on set. Rob has to perform many of his moves in front of a live audience compounded with the risk of being injured, screwing up, hurting his opponent and all while gauging reactions from the crowd and planning accordingly while hitting marks on what emotions he wants the capacity audience to go through and be swept up into all while simply using his body. What Rob does in a single evening would take trained Hollywood stuntment a year to prepare and do. There aren't any actors anymore that would try as hard or endeavour to.

>>18301357
because wrestling IS acting

>>18301165
>Something about seeing Hogan sell for Leno really rubbed me the wrong way
Especially when Hogan would refuse to ssell for 95% of WCW's active roster.

>>18301144 (OP)
I cant disagree, those celebrities do not belong in the ring. You guys really want some bull shit fucker like jelly roll or travis scott in every ple? Weve already got logan paul and pat mcaffe, but atleast logan paul is devent and seems to be moving towards doing wwe regularly.
Oh wauit, are people mad that aew can only get some tik tok memes to show up?

>>18301414
Hogan selling for Leno was going to be on the cover of Entertainment Weekly and the Wall Street Journal.

>>18301433
I'm not a Turner stockholder so I don't pretend to give a fuck to sound smart on the Internet. Only a sad cunt would do that.
The shit was stupid.

Rob is right. It's gotten really bad lately with these rappers and YouTubes faggots.

Why do these faggots think wrestling is some type of artform?
It is literally play fighting.

>>18301144 (OP)
He's not wrong.

>>18301144 (OP)
I don't mind it so much if the celeb is an actual athlete
Guys like Shaq who are huge, or someone tough tough like Mike Tyson, or even football players like Lawrence Taylor? OK, I can buy them doing well against a wrestler in kayfabe despite a lack of "wrestling experience"
But giving a skinny kid like IShowSpeed a Rumble spot bothers me. I don't care if he has crossover appeal. I don't care if his appearance was somewhat realistic by not giving him any real offense, and having him thrown out in less than a minute. That dude simply shouldn't be there in place of another wrestler (or in place of a celeb who actually looks like a threat)

>>18301495
>Why do these faggots think wrestling is some type of artform?
Because it kinda is?

>>18301525
but it's not?

>>18301144 (OP)
I would agree, but then look at the suicide forest guy - he's fucking great.

>>18301542
cause he's a active wrestler

>>18301144 (OP)
I kinda give Logan Paul a pass because he technically is an athlete (even though his boxing matches were probably fixed), plus he's good in the ring, and they work the whole part timer, celebrity status into his gimmick, so it kinda works.

The shit I can't defend is stuff like Travis Scott, or whoever the hell that Zoomer streamer was they had in the Royal Rumble (but even then, it's the Royal Rumble, there are always joke entrants).

AEW marks want to pretend this is a WWE problem as if they didn't just have The CostCo Guys and The Rizzler at All In last week, or Master P a few months ago.

>>18301529
Theatre is art and wrestling is just a gayer form of that.

>>18301144 (OP)
Celebrity involvement is fine as a supplement to the show but the problem is they are not creating entertaining characters now so they have to lean more and more on "outsiders" to try and generate interest.

>>18301529
it objectively is. it’s not a sport so what would you call it?

>>18301525
Why do you retards keep trying to insist that wrestling doesn’t primarily exist to make money?

How do you whine about HHH being shit now compared to when he was booking NXT and not realise that back then he could put on smark wet dream literal who match after smark wet dream literal who match because NXT didn’t have to make a single cent whereas the main shows do, so you can’t have dimeless shitters 540 face planting onto the outside every single match to pop some obese marks?

>>18301600
>Why do you retards keep trying to insist that wrestling doesn’t primarily exist to make money?
Where did I say that retard. These things aren't exclusive.

>>18301575
>so they have to lean more and more on "outsiders" to try and generate interest.
Vince ended up in this situation before, the only difference was he actually tried to make new stars/find a new draw but couldn't
As a result, WWE's biggest show of the year in 1995 had THIS bullshit as the opening, shilling the celebs more than the damn wrestlers, like it was a Scooby-Doo episode featuring the Harlem Globetrotters:
https://youtu.be/arp6k8qOdm8?t=626

>>18301144 (OP)
He's right though.

>>18301357
because movies are fake and wrestling is real

>>18301553
Big Boom AJ at least was a pro wrestler at some point

>>18301433
I know you probably just used random names but Time Warner owned EW back then. They could have put Mike Awesome vs Kanyon on the cover if they wanted. I don’t think they cared a bit about Wrestling doing ratings or generating any sort of buzz or a single dime. It was just the Boss’s strange interest that had to be catered to. Bischoff knew this and spent and stole as much money as possible as quickly as he could.

If I’m jelly roll hearing this then I’m finning to use all this guys moves in my Logan Paul match.

>>18301580
slop

>>18301777
Only the most basement dwelling obese smarks know this btw
He is for all intents and purposes the costco guy.

>>18301600
Nta but when Vince was the majority owner you could argue that it was no longer wrestling but at least it was still sports entertainment. WWE was THE thing generating money for Vince. Similar to how the Buss family owns the Lakers, they had no other business interests anymore. It’s not like Steve Ballmer owning the Clippers and happily paying the Luxury Tax and building brand new arenas. It’s the primary source of their income so the product has to be generating money. To do that fans have to at least be interested in what you’re putting out. The Lakers had the appeal of LA and the championships. Vince had the appeal of the #1 company.

WWE is for all intents and purposes an arm of a talent agency now. The purpose is not to entertain fans so they watch and spend money. it’s to push Endeavor backed artists and get them exposure. WWE sold their PPV’s to NBCUniversal and they don’t care about buy-rates. They sold RAW to Netflix they don’t care about ratings. They sold every inch of ring space to advertisers, down to the fucking tables they crash through. The perform privately for the Prince of Saudi Arabia. It exists to make Jellyroll look like a big star. Or Travis Scott. Or Bad Bunny. Whoever it will be two months from now.
You see what the product looks like when you do not have to entertain fans. Same as AEW who also do not exist to make a profit, except it’s more singular and autistic. That exists to entertain Tony.

>>18301916
Thar fat loser can't do the splits

>>18301343
e-drones are subhuman

>>18301851
>Bischoff knew this and spent and stole as much money as possible as quickly as he could.

And he's still a broke-ass bitch licking the boot that kicked his ass in exchange for scraps?

>>18301916
>Jelly Rolling Thunder

>>18301144 (OP)
The stoner makes a solid point. The only celebrity in ECW was Billy Corrigan, and that was at the very end when Paul was ready to give up his firstborn if it meant keeping ECW afloat. Oh, and Missy Hyatt, but she wasn't there to wrestle. She was there for... different reasons.

>>18301656
thanks for the video link interesting post

>>18301777
He's better than most of the wrestlers on any roster in the world today, and I bet his son will grow up to be dimes.
>>18301941
People know it because they've mentioned it or showed the footage of him in the indies almost every time he's appeared, ya dimwit.

>>18301357
>wrong side of town

Sounds like a Kevin R. Nash flick

>>18301656
>>18304636
Wrestlemania was founded on celebrity crossovers, Vince was always a clout chaser who viewed pro wrestling as a shameful, second-rate, low-class form of entertainment.

>>18301144 (OP)
im supposed to believe this weedbrain fuck wouldnt instantly put over jay and silent bob if given the chance???

>>18304654
>Wrestlemania was founded on celebrity crossovers
Yeah, when Vince was still building up the company into becoming the big deal that it was
Nothing wrong with a couple of celeb appearances, but when that's literally the main draw of your biggest show then that's a problem
Besides the first one, WM11 was the only time that a WM main event had a celeb in the actual match who wasn't part of the roster. And unlike WM1 they didn't have dime-drawing Hogan as part of it
The Lawrence Taylor match was the only match on that card that got serious hype and promotion. Vince even put it after the Shawn & Nash match for the WWE title, even though he was pushing both at the time

Logan exposed these shitters and now they are butthurt

Heck, Shane McMahon exposed them back in 2001

>>18305664
He says in the quote that you have to be an athlete to do it, and Logan's clearly athletic so I doubt he meant guys like him
Also, like Logan, Shane wasn't some one-off random appearance that took a card spot from another wrestler. Shane had deep involvement in storylines/feuds and wrestled several matches

>>18304643
>t. basement dwelling obese smelly smark

Does anyone actually disagree with him

>>18301144 (OP)
I agree with him on the most part but the jelly roll and logan stuff is okay because people already don't think of logan as a full fledged wrestler anyway so nobody gets devalues, as long as he is kept away from drew I think everything will be fine. There is some value to get out of celebrity participation but putting them with the main event is retarded, like the shit with travis scott. As long as they are in the mid card I don't think people will care as much.

>>18303997
did he file bankruptcy for a company he owned or for himself?

>>18301510
Ok but at least IShowSpeed was presenting like a fish out of water. It's not like he did any kind of damage to a wrestler and nobody sold for him. He just ate a Bron Breakker spear that went viral.

>>18306363
nah you are

He's mostly correct.
Celebs actually putting in the effort like Logan or Bunny is okay. But bringing in fat sacks of shit and 80 pound rappers that are too high to learn anything is awful.

>>18307055
how do you feel about the Insane Clown Posse?

>>18306792
ISS was the best way to do celeb involvement.
I'll take Speed coming in and getting killed by Bron over sending Chris Sabin out there to get his shit in and then be eliminated 5 minutes later.

>>18306363
Lose 'em.

>>18306775
Yes.

>>18307063
They genuinely seem to care. They worked with The Oddities.

>rvd criticizes aew
>fanbase wide meltdown for a week straight, legend status revoked, past controversies brought back up
>rvd criticizes wwe
>yeah he's right lol

>>18301343
no one believes this

>>18307095
>fanbase wide meltdown for a week straight, legend status revoked, past controversies brought back up
that literally didn't happen though

>>18307072
It was fun but a stretch for HHH to pretend he had to send him out there. Like Nick Aldis or a random Samoan wasn't around?

>>18307095
Nah, more like
>rvd criticizes aew
>says calls it all petiite
>they hire him and he takes the check