Bret is 68 years old. Why is he still bitter?

>>18309767 (OP)
Narcissistic personality disorder.

he should have become a christian like taker

Cuz he a bitch
Fuck Butt Hurt

>>18309767 (OP)
When you spend a lifetime always being right and no one ever listens it's gotta be pretty easy to be bitter about it

>>18309775
fpbp, same as Phil

>>18309767 (OP)
BRAT THE SHITMAN FART!!!!

>>18309807
he's right about the Kliq but wrong about Goldberg

>>18309767 (OP)
If it wasn't for Goldberg he'd still be out there wrestling twice a week.

>>18310015
Bret would be dead if not for Bill Goldberg

>>18309910

>>18309767 (OP)
He did everything you're supposed to do, and he did it better than anyone else, and he got shit on a lot. By a not-quite-as-good literal faggot who was fucking Vince so always got his way, by a manufactured shitter like Hogan who backstaged him in two companies, by a green shitter who ultimately wasn't that over (chants were piped in) who cost him the final years of his career and millions of dollars. Meme all you want but being sincere for a moment, who wouldn't be bitter? Fans should be bitter, we could have gotten an HBK style second run and we didn't for the sake of a jew.

>>18310022
Source?

>>18309767 (OP)
old qss dude kwab

>>18310137
Hogan wasn't manufactured. You could argue he wasn't the second coming but he had a cunty mind for the business. Bret probably would've been fine after Goldberg's kick if he took time off

>>18310210
He was over because the machine was behind him, and that same machine could have gotten behind any number of guys. Nobody can tell me with a straight face that you couldn't have gotten Randy Savage over the same or more with the same or less push.

>>18310228
you do know Hogan was already mega popular even before his Hulkamania run right?, he was squaring it up with Inoki in Japan being over with those japs and also being the top babyface of AWA

>>18310228
>He was over because the machine was behind him
The Verne Gagne machine?

>>18310228
I disagree. If you're talking about the early 80s Hogan was the most over guy organically. No one else at that time would've had the acumen to be in that spot to begin with, but that's behind the scenes. Up front, 6'7'' and 305lbs of Hulk Hogan coming out to Eye of the Tiger and working the crowd about his Hulkamania bullshit was lightning in a bottle. Right time, right place, right guy, right culture. No offense to Randy, but he was never that guy

>>18310276
>>18310278
Comparing how over he was in AWA to the Hulkamania post-Vince over is like trying to compare Seth Rollins to 1998 Austin. Disingenuous. I'm sure he sold out a lot of territory shows and shared a ring with somebody over in Japan, but that's orthogonal to the point here.

Hogan, in WWF, was 100% manufactured. That doesn't mean he'd be a jobber, but they could have put that same muscle behind a lot of other guys and gotten a similar result. He wasn't in that spot because he was the best wrestler or the best body or the best talker, because he wasn't any of that.

>>18310228
Hogan being red hot already and moving to WWF and pinning Sheik for the world title was a "stars aligned" moment that turned into the big bang when Hogan beat Andre at Wrestlemania. sure he had the corporation's backing he was their chosen guy, but to ignore his own merits is just straight foolish. Bret couldn't have been that guy or Randy. Ted Dibiase couldn't have been that guy or VIRGIL. I can't imagine anyone but Hulk Hogan being the guy when the hammer struck the anvil in that bubble of time brother!!

>>18310323
>it's true because I said so
Even though you're clearly retarded?

>>18310323
nta but momentum accumulates if you strike while the iron is hot. and the iron was hot. look what happened in Luger kek. his presence in media and the fact that he was such an icon that grannies in Somalia knew who he was is all you need to know he wasn't some upper midcard talent. he had that x factor

>>18310370
It's true because it is self evident. If you can't recognize the truth in a statement like "Hogan wasn't the best wrestler", it's you're demonstrably retarded and getting progressively angry that someone is speaking the truth to you instead of placating you in your tard rages.

>>18310406
That's putting the cart before the horse. Grannies in Somalia might have recognized him, but because of a years long full court press media blitz to make it so. Give that same to Randy Savage and the skinnies would know him just the same. Might as well deny that Disney has something to do with Mickey Mouse being so recognizable, and that Mickey Cat wouldn't have worked at all.

>>18310443
>"Hogan wasn't the best wrestler"
Well at least you recognized your original argument was utterly retarded and you're trying to deflect by pretending you said this instead. That's progress. It means you've recognized the stupidity of what you said, but you're just too stubborn to admit it.

>>18310472
your argument doesn't make sense within itself. Luger or Randy wouldn't have been that big. WWF didn't make Hogan over outside WWF. they brought him in and he was already mega over, and clearly the right man for the job. had Randy been in that position? lol? sure? what if pigs flew? he wasn't. and that's why he's Randy Savage, and Hulk Hogan is Hulk Hogan. the ceiling was just higher

>>18310475
>pretending you said this instead
*record scratch*
>>18310323
>He wasn't in that spot because he was the best wrestler...
I think the reason you want to argue is that you're legitimately retarded, or at least very low IQ, and so you aren't very good at reading comprehension. You read something like "manufactured" and you don't really know what it means, so you start sperging and fagging over it as you've done here. "Oh yeah well he sold out five rows in AWA so now what!?", the whole point of contention is based on your being kind of dumb. This is why I outgrew wrestling and generally avoid talking to wrestling fans, 99% of you are like this.

>>18310508
>*not an argument*
I accept your concession.

>>18310502
>what if pigs flew
If you aren't smart enough to entertain a hypothetical, why are you poorly arguing against a hypothetical? What's the point?

>>18310515
It is an argument, a pretty plain and clearly articulated one. What happened is you're low IQ, lost the argument, but wanted to keep going so you used canned meme replies. You're like a worm.

>>18310523
it's not a good hypothetical because it puts Randy in Hogan's boots. not in the "manufacturing" sense, but as he was coming into the company, before your alleged manufacturing. had Randy or Luger or Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Sheik for the title and then gone over Andre they would've been huge, but not Hulkamania huge. and I don't appreciate your condescension

>>18310549
I only condescend because the people on this board are so demonstrably less than me, and most of you struggle to make it through an entire sentence before you forget the context and start fagging out again.
>had Randy or Luger or Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Sheik for the title and then gone over Andre they would've been huge, but not Hulkamania huge
We'll never know. I disagree, and I think Bret does too, which was the original point before the gaggle of retards here took a break from gay fanfiction to make their bad reading comprehension a point of contention for an hour.

>>18309767 (OP)
Michaels won.
>training the next generation, meaning his style was, is and will be the industry standard
>beloved by everyone he ever works with, even if they leave WWE no one badmouths him because he's that good
>fucked so many rats in his time that you can make a line from calgary to montreal
>had an amazing second run where he solidified his status as an alltime legend

Anyone who seethes about this post is a Bret 'The Shitman' Fart cultist.

>>18310579
>We'll never know. I disagree
agree to disagree; don't take this the wrong way, but you come off so bitter I'm beginning to suspect you're Bret as a shoot

>>18310592
>training the next generation, meaning his style was, is and will be the industry standard

I think this is what actually really makes him bitter and truly hits his mark ass, current wrestling fucking sucks and it pains him every day to see it like this.

>>18309767 (OP)
He's mad that Goldberg had a better match with DDP while doing the bare minimum than Bret had in his entire career

>>18310625
I'm not Bret, but I understand where he's coming from. Retards won't and can't, which is why it mystifies 99% of the IWC, but to be great and still saddled with this or that problem purely because of lessers is a bitter pill to swallow. No matter what you do you're at the mercy of the bottom rung, people who are barely even people, whether that be half literate obesity jeets arguing in memes, or roided up jews ruining the body and career of someone actually worth a damn.

>>18309778
unironically this. not that he has to be a christian, but he is bitter cause he believes in nothing. this is the fate of materialists. those who believe all there is to existence is material existence will ultimately become miserable because everything material fades and degrades

>>18310730
I think Bret might've managed to keep rasslin and gotten a nice retirement feud/match with HBK or whomever in WWE if he didn't keep working immediately after the kick. working sloppy and getting concussed several more times will mess you up worse than a single botched kick which if I'm being honest didn't even deck him in the temple

>>18310137
I agree. Yet the fans only shit on Goldberg and boo Hogan. The entire modern fanbase continues to put Michaels up on a pedestal. When Michaels should be boo’d louder than Hogan

>>18310293
Vince's old fashioned dad fucked up with Super Billy Graham and that title drop to Backlund. Vince wasn't doing that again with Hogan. AWA did that and AWA doesn't exist anymore.

>>18310791
i think Bret could have come back if he’d been more determined and less bitter like Bryan and Edge did

>>18310278
>>18310323
The AWA was massive and successful. They were absolutely a machine. Verne was going national before cable and before mass syndication. He was just too old and stubborn to capitalize on his lead by the time the world was ready for it.

>>18309767 (OP)
Why didn't he take some time off after Goldberg kicked his head off?

>>18309767 (OP)
Thats all he has is his bitterness