Thread 18424372 - /pw/ [Archived: 460 hours ago]

Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:49:06 AM No.18424372
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supposedly the "feeling is restored" and the "pendulum has swung" and "all in dallas was the reset aew needed" yet he instantly became the lowest drawing champion and the company is in the worst shape its been in the 5+ years its been active
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:52:11 AM No.18424382
>>18424372 (OP)
>the lowest drawing champion
His title match drew the AEW attendance record in North America. He is in fact the highest drawing champion.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:58:35 AM No.18424410
>>18424382
yet he still cant beat nxt
what gives?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:08:15 AM No.18424448
>>18424410
Cable ratings are not a function of how popular individual wrestling talent is.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:15:02 AM No.18424469
>>18424382
lowest all in attendance of all time, less than half of the first london show
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:17:45 AM No.18424479
>>18424382
you know the champion was moxley for that match right
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:18:13 AM No.18424481
>>18424382
please delete this
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:18:58 AM No.18424484
>>18424382
What was the gate again?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:20:07 AM No.18424487
>>18424448
Neither is attendance for a show with dirt cheap tickets yet here we are
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:20:17 AM No.18424489
>>18424469
It's not Hangman's fault that UK fans are extremely hot for AEW.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:20:42 AM No.18424492
>>18424469
Oh my
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:21:18 AM No.18424495
>>18424487
Well then it makes no sense to talk about Hangman not being a "drawing" champion then, since the term is meaningless given all the other factors.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:23:26 AM No.18424505
>>18424495
He's obviously not a draw since business is down in all metrics. They've had to lower prices just to match attendance of 2 years ago.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:24:07 AM No.18424508
>>18424372 (OP)
Hanger was born female
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:24:22 AM No.18424511
>>18424505
>all metrics
They just did the highest attendance they've ever done in the US. In the metric of "US attendance" AEW have just hit a company record, and in this metric, they are up.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:26:35 AM No.18424516
>>18424511
Ticket prices were extremely low.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:27:44 AM No.18424518
>>18424516
That does not make the claim of them being "down in all metrics" any less false.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:30:08 AM No.18424529
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>>18424511
>In the metric of "US attendance
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:31:02 AM No.18424531
>>18424518
Business is about making money. Ticket sales make money. Therefore lowering prices means that business is down.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:32:17 AM No.18424537
>>18424529
Well sure when you look at the facts things seem grim but have you considered the feeling???
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:34:36 AM No.18424545
>>18424531
AEW's money comes from their TV rights money. They could sell zero tickets and still be a sustainable business.
>>18424529
This graph basically says that AEW does lower when returning to a place for the second time than WWE does. It is not relevant to anything else.

Listen to me. I know that you have a trillion copes under the sun that you have collected in your immense AEW folder to convince yourself AEW is about to collapse, but it's all cope and it's all extremely boring and delusional.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:48:12 AM No.18424590
>>18424545
https://www.ringsidenews.com/wwe-raw-attendance-soars-while-aew-dynamite-drops-first-quarter-2025/
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:52:01 AM No.18424602
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>>18424382
>the AEW attendance record in North America
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:56:48 AM No.18424618
>>18424602
Yeah, All In (2025) is the highest attendance they've done in the US.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:57:23 AM No.18424620
>>18424618
Weird qualifier
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:57:45 AM No.18424623
>>18424382
Their last 7 shows combined have only done about 8000 fans, that's dire
AEW is dying
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:58:25 AM No.18424629
>>18424618
then what happened
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:58:44 AM No.18424630
>>18424620
>Weird qualifier
>>18424623
>Their last 7 shows
lol
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:02:22 AM No.18424642
>>18424630
Huh?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:08:06 AM No.18424660
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>>18424630
>lol
LMBAO
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:12:56 AM No.18424676
>>18424629
then you cried about it
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:18:27 AM No.18424689
Why are the epiggies panicking so much?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:46:28 AM No.18424769
>>18424382
And other lies AEWtists tell themselves because they can't cope with reality
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:48:18 AM No.18424777
>>18424769
If it's a lie, tell us which other AEW show in the US had higher attendance than All In 2025
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:57:08 AM No.18424803
>>18424511
>All In 2024: 40k attendance
>All In 2025: 20k attendance
Yup, AEW is down in all metrics. Your disingenuous, bad faith arguments don't change this fact.

>>18424545
AEW doesn't have money and it isn't a sustainable business. And don't even try to conflate profit with revenue in a pathetic attempt to claim AEW "has money". Dave Meltzer totally promises they'll be profitable at some point in 2026 but for now they have literally $0.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:58:09 AM No.18424809
>>18424372 (OP)
Anexity cowboys isnt over with me
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:59:19 AM No.18424813
>>18424777
It's a lie because you're trying to pretend like All In wasn't down horribly YoY, which it was. Comparing this year's All In to last year's All In is the only valid comparison to make.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:00:20 AM No.18424818
>>18424803
It's like talking to a brick wall. No matter how many times you are shown examples contrary to your talking points, after one post, nothing goes in and you go right back to repeating your comforting mantras. Maybe if you repeat them enough times they'll become true.
>>18424813
Well you can't compare the US and UK markets because they're completely different things. It's simple really.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:08:34 AM No.18424847
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>>18424818
>It's like talking to a brick wall.
Yeah, because I'm right and you're wrong. Did you think you could fool me into accepting your lies, copes, bad faith arguments, and shifting goalposts? I'm an immovable mountain of truth and facts and I'll keep obliterating your bullshit without mercy.

>>18424818
Nope, not letting you move the goalposts. All In attendance was down 50% YoY. This is an inarguable fact.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:10:17 AM No.18424859
>>18424847
>your lies
What have I lied about?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:12:56 AM No.18424871
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>>18424859
You lied about Hangma'am being AEW's highest drawing champion. The truth he's their lowest drawing champion.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:13:56 AM No.18424876
>>18424871
>You lied about Hangma'am being AEW's highest drawing champion.
He main evented the biggest drawing show they have ever done in the US. An inarguable datapoint that you cannot refute.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:15:03 AM No.18424882
>>18424871
You keep using cable ratings as a measure of individual wrestler popularity. Cable ratings are basically a measure of how many people have cable. They do not measure popularity of individual wrestlers. Why you think you can use ratings to determine how popular wrestlers are, I have no idea.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:16:02 AM No.18424889
>>18424876
>He main evented the biggest drawing show they have ever done in the US. An inarguable datapoint that you cannot refute.
That data point is completely irrelevant to the subject. You said he's the highest drawing champion. You lied.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:16:54 AM No.18424894
>>18424889
You think that being in the main event of the highest drawing show in the US is not relevant to the question of whether he is a draw?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:17:02 AM No.18424896
>>18424882
>shifts goalposts
As expected lel
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:17:44 AM No.18424900
Dave Meltzer is the guy in this thread shilling for AEW btw
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:18:15 AM No.18424903
>>18424896
You don't know what that phrase means lol. You brought up cable ratings and I specifically addressed that point (and refuted it). I am not moving or deflecting to anything, I am addressing your (bad) argument because you have poor knowledge about what cable ratings represent.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:20:12 AM No.18424907
>>18424900
Yes, I am. It's me Dave Meltzer. I am also in your walls, and I am also organizing this inside a discord call with the Irish AEW fan as we speak. If we successfully slide this thread then Tony has promised us +5% equity in BeatnikInvestments.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:20:14 AM No.18424908
>>18424894
The question isn't whether or not Hangma'am is "a draw". The question is whether or not Hangma'am is AEW's highest drawing champion. And he isn't. You lied.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:21:23 AM No.18424914
>>18424903
>denies he tried to shift the goalposts after trying to shift the goalposts
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:21:46 AM No.18424915
>>18424511
Funny that same event (All In) that was their highest North American attendance actually kept losing attendance each year they have had it
And yet Tony still lies about All In 2023 being the highest paid attendance for a wrestling event in history when the turnstille count didn't match the sold ticket count and multiple WWF/E events beat it
KWAB
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:22:22 AM No.18424918
>>18424908
Lol. Why are you so emotional and butthurt? Obviously if you are looking at US attendance, then Hangman vs Moxley is extremely relevant. If you think Wembley matters, then you must conclude Adam Cole is a gigadraw. This is not "lies" this is just quantifying what someone means by "drawing". If you unpack it one way, you get one result, and a different way a different result. It's not lying, and you don't need to get so absolutely autistically ass blasted about this just because someone has a different opinion.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:23:23 AM No.18424926
>>18424915
>And yet Tony still lies about All In 2023 being the highest paid attendance for a wrestling event in history
It is the highest paid attendance wrestling event in human history. There is no argument there.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:23:32 AM No.18424928
>>18424907
I wish dave was in my walls so that faggot would get squished
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:24:23 AM No.18424933
>>18424915
>the turnstille count didn't match the sold ticket count
Because the turnstile count and the paid attendance are measuring two different things you massive fucking retard lol. How can you talk about this subject to death and not know these things?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:25:33 AM No.18424938
>>18424896
>>18424914
Please explain what subject you thought you were talking about, and what subject you think I shifted things to.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:28:34 AM No.18424947
>>18424918
So many weasel words holy shit lmao. Hangma'am is AEW's lowest drawing champion yet as proven by the ratings and attendance of every episode of Dynamite he's been on as champion. You're twisting yourself into knots trying to make this fact go away but it's not going away.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:30:25 AM No.18424956
>>18424938
I'm talking about the fact that Hangma'am Homo Page is AEW's lowest drawing world champion.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:32:05 AM No.18424962
>>18424947
>>18424956
Do you think that how many people have cable is a direct result of how popular any wrestler is at any given time?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:35:22 AM No.18424973
>>18424962
>trying to deflect shift the goalposts to cable viewership again
Mox drew more cable viewers as champion. When Hangma'am became champion cable viewership immediately dropped. This is an apples-to-apples comparison and Hangma'am loses.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:40:00 AM No.18424999
>>18424926
>Wrestlemania 32 turnstille count is 80,709
>All In 2023 turnstille count is 72,265
Therefore All In 2023 is not in fact the highest paid attennce wrestling event in history, and Tony Khan is a liar. In fact, two other Wrestlemanias and a Summerslam also have higher attendances than All In 2023.
Facts don't care about your feelings, sweetie
>>18424933
>Because the turnstile count and the paid attendance are measuring two different things you massive fucking retard lol.
So you admit that Tony is lying about the amount of people that actually attended All In 2023 by parroting the 80k figure? Glad we are on the same page here.
>How can you talk about this subject to death
I don't though, lol. Think you got me confused for someone else you schizo.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:53:13 AM No.18425047
>>18424999
>Piggies still seething and coping about all in 2023
Lmao
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:53:42 AM No.18425048
>>18424973
Could you try answering my question? It's not a deflection since it's extremely relevant to your claim about Hangman's "drawing" ability which you said was related to the cable ratings of the shows he's on.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:55:44 AM No.18425051
>>18424973
>This is an apples-to-apples comparison
But you are implying that the drop is related to the relative popularity of those two wrestlers and entirely unrelated to the fact that less people have cable each year.
I think that less people having cable is a bigger factor in what average cable ratings are than relative wrestler popularity. Though if you can find evidence that people cut cable as a result of who the current AEW champion is, that would be wild.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:56:47 AM No.18425061
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>>18425047
>I don't have a real argument so I'm just gonna say some bullshit
It's ok my gAyEWtist, the 81k number was real in your mind, we understand
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:57:23 AM No.18425067
>>18424999
The more you conflate turnstile count with paid attendance the more you look like a retard kek
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:59:09 AM No.18425071
Why does the sole AEW fan always add "lol" "lmao" or "kek" to his posts
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:59:26 AM No.18425073
>>18424999
>Tony is lying about the amount of people that actually attended All In 2023
Tony is no more lying about his own attendance than literally any sports or entertainment company is lying when they announce their own paid attendance for shows. The only single sole exclusive singular solitary case in which anybody has ever demanded turnstile count be used rather than paid attendance is All In 2023, and the reason for that exception is because you guys could not handle taking the L and AEW getting a win and you immediately held them to a different standard as anything else.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:00:38 PM No.18425082
>>18425071
>sole fan

still
not
over
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:01:46 PM No.18425088
>>18425071
I'm just one of many hundreds of AEWmaniacs here on /pw/ and the reason I do it is because reading through you guys' attempt to reason about things is very funny. I can see the rusty broken hamster wheel squeaking away in your heads and it is greatly amusing.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:02:42 PM No.18425094
>>18424956
>>18424973
Christian is feuding with Kip Sabian LMFAO
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:04:27 PM No.18425105
>>18424372 (OP)
I mean he is simply not the guy material, a new era main eventer, sure, but clearly not the guy.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:07:12 PM No.18425118
>>18425073
>and the reason for that exception is because you guys could not handle taking the L and AEW getting a win and you immediately held them to a different standard as anything else.
No, it's simply about AEW straight up lying to people's faces and expecting them to happily eat up the slop without questioning it. And it can't be an L if AEW never actually got the W in the first place. If it was a real number I would have been happy for them, (I watch both brands) and it would have been a true achievement, for a new wrestling promotion to achieve that record in just 4 years. But in reality it's not even the highest attended wrestling event at Wembley Stadium, Summerslam 92 beats it there.
>The only single sole exclusive singular solitary case in which anybody has ever demanded turnstile count be used rather than paid attendance
I literally used Wrestlemania 32's turnstille count instead of WWE's fake number of 101,763. Of course the E lies about their attendance too, but their real attendance still beat All In. Stop distorting what I said. You're so gotten to, it's pathetic.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:09:33 PM No.18425135
>>18424999
They hated this one
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:09:57 PM No.18425137
>>18425118
I'm afraid that 81,035 is a higher number than 80,709.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:12:23 PM No.18425147
>>18425061
I don't need an argument, history will remember it as 81k and no amount of you coping and seething on a dead board will change that lmao
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:13:53 PM No.18425153
>>18425137
And I'm afraid 81,035 is a fake attendance number and 72,265 is lower than 80,709, a real attendance number
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:15:19 PM No.18425163
>>18425118
This piggy is squealing so much lol
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:15:44 PM No.18425164
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>>18425147
>Still doesn't refute that he's wrong
>Even a Google A.I. knows that he's wrong and AEW lies about the attendance
Oh dear, how grim...
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:17:52 PM No.18425178
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>>18425163
>gAyEWtist still can't refute the actual attendance number
Jej, you love to see it
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:18:39 PM No.18425180
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>>18425164
Oh dear
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:24:13 PM No.18425206
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>>18425180
>Claimed to be a record
>Claimed
Oh no no no AHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:33:20 PM No.18425230
OP here
AEW sucks I'm afraid
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:34:39 PM No.18425231
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>>18425051
>incoherent babbling about cable
Last Dynamite with Mox as champion: 637k.

One week later, the first Dynamite with Hangma'am as the new champion: 588k.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:49:38 PM No.18425269
>>18425231
I strongly encourage you to read my post again and really try and concentrate on what I'm saying. It's not incoherent babbling, I can promise you. I don't think you've understood it yet, but I believe in you. I know you can do it, just have some patience and concentrate and read it again.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:54:23 PM No.18425288
>>18425269
drones are stupid. AEW mindraped them.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:00:56 PM No.18425316
I accept your concession
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:03:15 PM No.18425322
>>18425316
I concede that Christian will NEVER be sniffing the AEW World Title ever again lmao
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:12:14 PM No.18425521
>>18424372 (OP)
that's the thing
they reset it back to pre-punk period where back then the only thing carrying them was that they were the new guy in town and wwe was senile
they think that this alone has fixed all their problems but their problems have existed since day 1
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:22:33 PM No.18425538
>>18425082
It's funny, Ojama, even though there is more than one of you. There's definitely at least you and your butt buddy rovert.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:24:27 PM No.18425543
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>>18425322
>>18425071
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:28:08 PM No.18425557
>>18424882
It seems that more people have cable when NXT is on. Incredible.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:35:30 PM No.18425577
slopdown must have been terrible huh
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:40:41 PM No.18425595
>>18424448
neither is ppv tickets
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:59:45 PM No.18425668
>>18425557
What?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:12:13 PM No.18425717
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>>18425668
AEW RATINGS ARE GRIM
>What?
DIRE
>What?
BLEAK
>What?
GHASTLY
>What?
AWFUL
>What?
I SAID AWFUL.
YOU SIT THERE IN YOUR WHEELCHAIR IN DUBLIN AND FLAP YOUR LITTLE GUMS ABOUT CABLE RATINGS WHEN OL STONE COLD JUST HAS TO TAKE ONE LOOK TO TELL YA THAT THE WRESTLING SCHOOL IS VIEWED BY MORE PEOPLE. HOGLISION WILL BE CANCELLED JUST LIKE HAMPAGE FOLLOWED BY SWINEAMITE AND THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:13:36 PM No.18425993
>>18425717
bah gawd stone cold beating aew like a government mule