i really wish i could stop my AGP femboy fetish degeneracy but every time i consider it i remember that im 5'5, weak and with bad bone structure for men

>>81489171 (OP)
holyyy that is one legendary ass. also being 5'5 doesn't matter even if you're a top, alot of bottoms will find you cute for it

>>81489183
its not about being top or bottom (im a total bottom with men) its about being a man
either im a femboy or a coping failed male

>>81489192
be with another failed male femboy

>>81489192
at this point this is just your fetish. being a man is about identifying as the male gender, if you do that then you're good to go. femboys are men, cute and breedable men yes, but men nonetheless.

>>81489198
op is chadsexual

>>81489212
i identify as a male but i try to appear feminine which isnt what men do dummy

>>81489227
men do alot of things, i don't see how appearing feminine isn't one of them. look back at history, lest we forget.

>>81489227
as 5'5 I wouldn't worry about it since you don't have much opens. you either cutemax or drawfmax, having muscles can make you look even shorter though

bish if you are 5'5 and have even the tiniest amount of a chance of being able to girlmode without looking disgusting DO IT
>t. 26 6ft and dont care anymore, eterno-repping, injected estrogen once and just said "forget it" bc i just dont care anymore

CAPTURE IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN CARE

>>81489236
too bad im not a noble man that has guards and slaves in the real world id get ridiculed for being a grown ass man acting like a femboy its just true sorry
>>81489265
i am but im still getting older though

>>81489227
you can't say ywnbaw and also say "men don't appear feminine"
men do all kinds of things
you're not morally mandated to be anything
I'm firmly under the impression that it's deeply wrong to foist the ideals of men in their 30s-40s onto men in their teens and 20s
you wouldn't think a guy in his 40s wearing "faggy" clothes is cute, but if he was wearing yohji he might look aesthetically minded
young guys should be embracing being cute. girls their age might struggle to appreciate that but they would struggle to appreciate them in any case.
>>81489274
how old are you even?
what fashion have you even tried?

>>81489288
>you wouldn't think a guy in his 40s wearing "faggy" clothes is cute, but if he was wearing yohji he might look aesthetically minded
yeah but if you invest too much into being a cute femboy when you get older you'd just look like a weird troon-lite
>how old are you even?
mid 20s
>what fashion have you even tried?
every basic femboyware kek

>>81489171 (OP)
Wanna hook up?
Orogegenananananlo

if you ever even THINK about being a femboy, if it comes to your awareness for even ONE SECOND, YOU ARE A FEMBOY. period. you are a gay bottom in some way shape or form, anything you say to avoid that fact is pure cope out of fear of embracing who you really are inside. no straight man ever even conceives of being a femboy, this exclusively happens if you deep down want this for yourself.

I think estrogen is bad because it's something that disrupts the function of a healthy body, for lack of a better term. If you want to be a healthy man, you do not want to introduce any level of exogenous hormones at levels significantly outside the range of the norm. Even androgen hormones are harmful when exogenous. Estrogen doesn't keep you young. It gives a lot of users a sickly appearance. I think it's an important treatment in those who are deeply mentally ill and that's about it. I still think people should have the right to take estrogen, smoke heroin or whatever else they do, as long as it doesn't end up disrupting my day to day.

Look at the archetypal pretty boy. He's youthful, but at your mid 20s, you are still young. He's healthy first and foremost - clean, clear skin, looks like he eats a balanced diet. He does not do anything in excess and he's just an example of good genes and a good environment. You have control over the latter.
>>81489305
Exactly, but look at Yohji there. Does he look like a woman? At the same time, does he look like the archetype of a man? Again, does he look like a woman or a man?
You know that tumblr girls go crazy over guys in vests. They slim the waist and are a decidedly masculine garment. Have you ever worn one? I think you might need to focus more on fashion, it's something that's deeply underrated among guys with our type of thinking. You think that there's male (t-shirt and jeans) and female (tons of types of tops, pants or skirts, outright dresses, jewlery - many choices for a maximalist!). You should be very deliberate about your choices as a man. Women get a lot of leeway for fashion choices that I don't agree with.

>>81489348
i probably live nowhere near you so
>>81489352
anon its not the question of weather i am or not
i already am and i was fucked because of it many times
its about continuing to be this way
>>81489353
im not too big into fashion im pretty much an incel personality wise and the only types of alternative "fashion" i like is sexy faggy femboy shit like panties and crop tops and thigh highs thats it

>>81489171 (OP)
Does your femboy-farts smell bad?

>>81489353
Also, look at what he's doing. He's *doing* something alluring. He's acting alluring. A seductive aura is not just appearance. People typically do not get aroused from anatomical reference photos (the kind where people stand like the vitruvian man with neutral expressions in order to allow artists to practice depicting them accurately). They could be very physically attractive but the lack of an arousing situation means that the response from the viewer is not arousal.
>>81489378
Is that fashion or fetishism? You could get into fashion, you know. It's a hobby.
I'm actually quite confused how you see yourself as an incel when you say you're a gay bottom who has had sex. Are you attracted to women but have bottom for men despite this? Or are you actually into the latter, and ashamed of it?

>>81489378
you will continue to be this way whether you like it or not, because you can't no be this way. this is who you are, you can either beat yourself up about it and make your life worse for yourself, or think constructively and find ways to improve your life for yourself. pessimism is useless, i suggest you keep spiraling down in this negativity, because it'll help you realize how useless it all is more than what i or anyone else can tell you.

>>81489171 (OP)
I was bullied and that evolved into a weird I don't deserve women, forced gay fetish, I admitted it to a female fren I hope she coomed to the idea

>>81489378
I assume you're in Latin America or Asia then.

>>81489397
>I'm actually quite confused how you see yourself as an incel when you say you're a gay bottom who has had sex. Are you attracted to women but have bottom for men despite this?
im bi but i think gaysex is kinda wrong and weird
also people hate fags where i live
>>81489402
>you will continue to be this way whether you like it or not
i dont mind it but that will guarantee that when im in my 30s ill be a complete loser because i dont look cute enough and not manly enough so basically nobody will want to fuck me

>>81489427
If you like gay sex and the effects it has on your life, keep having it. If you think it would be better if you did it differently, do it a different way. In all other cases, stop having it. I know that sounds reductively simple, but it also is just that simple.
Yes, gay death is a concept but it's also kind of dumb. People, in general, become less suited for, less lusted for, and less interested in casual sex as they grow older. That's fine, and you will figure that out in time. This is something that heterosexual people go through too.

You honestly sound more like you have a lot of degrading sex and that you don't like the effects that has on you. You want to be loved and be in a relationship. Relationships aren't easy and you will absolutely "fail" a few, but maybe that's what you should be looking for?

>>81489427
men lose most of their energy at their 50s, does that mean they shouldn't even use the energy they have in their 20s, just because they'll eventually lose it? no you idiot, these men make the most out of their energy while they have it, likewise be the best femboy you can be while you can. and besides, some men never even retire and work until they die, and you can push the twink wall way past your 30s if you're smart about your health and take care of your body. don't you see how your line of reasoning is just plain negativity, seemingly only for the sake of negativity? don't you see how illogical that is?

>>81489450
>People, in general, become less suited for, less lusted for, and less interested in casual sex as they grow older.
yeah but femboys lose the appeal at a faster rate unless they take estrogen or whatever
>>81489455
>don't you see how illogical that is?
not really anon its just having testosterone in your body for 10+ years will just make you look manlier
if youre trying to be manly then thats a good thing
but if youre trying to look feminine youre just gonna look weird past a certain age

>>81489479
it sounds to me like you're faced with a choice and need to make a choice, don't you agree?

>>81489479
>youre just gonna look weird
would you say that to a twink in their 30s living the life you always dreamed of? who the fuck cares if it's weird, weird to who? straight people? you're gay bro, of course you're not going to fit in with straights. you're coping really hard right now, all so that you can keep sabotaging your own happiness. i'm not your personal therapist, go get one or take it up with the void. being face to face with meaninglessness tends to change you for the better, so long as you don't let it kill you.

>>81489520
I was a cute boy when I was young and I do not regret not taking estrogen. It would have looked weird and I would not be as strong and healthy as I am today. I'm not trying to say I'm a bodybuilder or aspiring to be a muscular man. I'm saying I enjoy being able to hike and move around without issue. I enjoy lasting physically in bed. I enjoy the feeling of waking up healthy. I still call my partner mommy in bed and they stroke my head and call me a good boy while I cum in them. I'm 30+. Sex is all in your head in the end. The sensations don't come out of your eyes. The words don't reflect on your skin. Hell, you can't even see most of your partner when you're coiled up like snakes. I don't think the estrogen is the central issue when it comes to self-sabotage here.

>>81489561
i never even mentioned estrogen once. illusions may be illusory, but the experiences provided by them are truly experienced. self-sabotage is, like all things, an illusion; you experience it as if it were the only reality, when there are plenty of far better perceptions to have. the reasons why we tend to gravitate towards a specific view of our lives doesn't matter to me, it's all arbitrary in the end. it's just better to find out how to change our perception to one that is more pleasant or pleasurable to perceive.

>>81489593
Sorry, it seemed like you were arguing in the chain for OP taking estrogen. Everything else that you say is completely in line with what I think too.

I bet OP feels really nice to fuck...