Thread 81494137 - /r9k/ [Archived: 1110 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:31:24 PM No.81494137
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>people's impressions of real world historical events like the holocaust and african american slavery are shaped by exagerrated fictional depictions like Schindler's List and Roots made decades, even centuries after
>if you try to point out how retarded this is they say you are denying the events, rather than just saying to stick to actual contemporary sources instead of "le heckin based on a true story" fanfiction
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:46:52 PM No.81494279
>>81494137 (OP)
yes everyone but you is just a retard
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:53:31 PM No.81494326
>>81494137 (OP)
It's on purpose. A lot of people don't seem to realize that all of the information they get parses through other people. They didn't personally experience the holocaust, they're just taking for granted that what others have told them about the holocaust is true. Admittedly, this model works most of the time - I don't know with certainty that the Earth is spherical, I just take it on faith that the people who told me the Earth is spherical weren't lying, and that seems to be a good judgment. But maybe we should be more skeptical when people have a vested interest in dishonesty.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:56:15 PM No.81494346
>>81494137 (OP)
Just wait a few centuries and no one will give two shits. In 500 years normies will be talking about how awesome the Nazis were, don't believe me? Just look at how they talk about the Mongols and vikings.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:03:06 AM No.81494415
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>>81494137 (OP)
>real world historical events like the holocaust
LMAO this goy fell for it!
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:05:48 AM No.81494448
>>81494346
Depends who has power. If Jews are still massively overrepresented in positions of power, then the nazis will remain vilified for millennia.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:09:37 AM No.81494480
>>81494346
This is what I always thought too. They say Dzinghis killed so many people the world got colder. Imagine what future generations think of the guy who threw the entire world into a war that would kill millions and focusing on one specific tribe trying to exterminate them.
That is if it doesnt get forgotten.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:17:36 AM No.81494533
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People who got played are mad they got played.
What the fuck happened to the Egyptians ?
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:18:35 AM No.81494542
>>81494346
You're correct that no one will care about the atrocities in the distant future. But they aren't the same. The Mongols were a victorious empire than conquered most of Eurasia, and ruled it for many generations. The Nazis were a flash in the pan, that failed to keep their European empire going for more than 6 years. Future historians, and future laymen, won't put them on the same level as the Mongols.

When looking back on that time period, they will mostly talk about the US empire, and the shorter-lived soviet empire. The Nazis will be mentioned when studying the US empire, as brief antagonists that got delt with. The same way that people only really think about Vercingetorix of Gaul in the context of studying the Roman Empire, who handily defeated him; but non-specialists don't really think of him or his people very much, independent of the Romans.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:21:00 AM No.81494563
>>81494448
If Jews are still massively overrepresented in positions of power then by then there won't be a future.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:23:05 AM No.81494587
>>81494542
I'd put them on the level of the carthaginians, with the big painted himself being equalled to Barca.
Nonetheless, main point is, noone will care.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:27:58 AM No.81494633
>>81494542
The thing is it's not a people's importance TO HISTORY that dictates the attention given to them in history, it's their importance TO THE NARRATIVE. Consider that the triangle didn't actually enslave Africans, it just rerouted them, but the narrative says that whites enslaved Africans, so we learn the triangle trade in school and not the preexisting slave trade in Africa, which is more important. Nazis are not that important to history, but they are the most important component of the narrative, which is why they get so much attention. This will probably remain true for a very long time.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:29:06 AM No.81494641
>>81494587
the empire of Carthage lasted for hundreds of years before the romans destroyed it. It's more equivalent to Germany as a whole, not to the relatively brief period of Nazi rule.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:32:51 AM No.81494673
>>81494641
You shouldnt fully dislodge the nazis from the german empire. Putting it into the grander context of germany losing the war and then plunging the world into yet another war is what would make it more worthwhile of a history lesson.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:34:28 AM No.81494690
>>81494641
>>81494673
To add onto it, even Caesar was a flash in the pan, so was Alexander who was still known and admired by the Mongols. Napoleon couldnt hold onto most of Europe for more than 3 decades and we still talk about him. Hell he killed off maybe 10% of europe at the time. We dont care anymore.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:48:26 AM No.81494790
>>81494279
me and like 2000 other people yeah
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:52:39 AM No.81494823
>>81494542
>The Mongols were a victorious empire than conquered most of Eurasia
Which fell apart the nanosecond Temujin died.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:53:57 AM No.81494837
>>81494823
The khanates though
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:56:24 AM No.81494863
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>>81494137 (OP)
Just because other races other than white had real trails and tribulations in history doesn't mean you have to seethe about it online.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:57:15 AM No.81494868
>>81494823
The Yuan empire lasted for like 200 hundred years in China. I think there's something similar in India but I can't remember what it's called, Mughal or something?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:59:34 AM No.81494894
>>81494868
By that logic America is actually still historically part of the British Empire. And the Ottoman empire would also be part of the steppehorde success you mentioned.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:07:27 AM No.81494955
>>81494894
Well, no. The United States isn't ruled by Britain anymore. The Yuan Empire was ruled by Mongols.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:09:25 AM No.81494970
>>81494955
It was ruled by anglosaxon individuals for a majority of its history, with most of them being descendants of the pilgrims or the famed mayflower club. Even Obama had pilgrim roots.
I'm not saying I disagree but it's a grey area where politics and historians play a large role deciding who is part of who and who is distinct.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:09:31 AM No.81494971
>>81494894
I mean prior to 1945 most people would have definitely considered America in the context of a greater Anglo-Saxon civilizational/political tradition
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:14:31 AM No.81495006
>>81494971
Yeah so that's, even up till now, a majority of their history.
To get back to the mongols however, the mongols themselves werent known for much besides the conquest and then falling apart, with the offshoots who adapted to their host regions' cultures being the ones we know more about than the nomadic ones.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:14:50 AM No.81495009
>>81494970
I would say that the difference is that the US is clearly a distinct political entity defined by its rejection of British rule, whereas the Yuan were a subsidiary of the Mongols who never rebelled against them.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:18:03 AM No.81495029
>>81495009
The death of Kublai almost directly ensured the Yuan would be independent of the Kurultai. It fractured the empire as a whole.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:22:13 AM No.81495054
>>81495029
Also, the Yuan were also a flash in the pan.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:23:00 AM No.81495058
>>81494326
Don't be tricked by big Globe
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:29:27 AM No.81495100
>>81495006
My point is that despite not being a dependency of the British empire there's a clear continuity in the same vein as the mongol successor states, I don't think anyone would define the U.S. in 2025 as even remotely "Anglo-Saxon." >>8149542 is a silly post but I'd think the empire's political legacy at least as important a part of mongol historiography as the empire itself
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:31:30 AM No.81495115
>>81495006
My point is that despite not being a dependency of the British empire there's a clear continuity in the same vein as the mongol successor states, I don't think anyone would define the U.S. as even remotely "Anglo-Saxon" in 2025. >>81494542 is a silly post but I'd think the empire's political legacy at least as important a part of mongol historiography as the empire itself
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:42:36 AM No.81495180
>>81495115
Not in 2025 lol but stil for what, 170 years out of it's currently 249 years history?
And sure, the yuan were there for less than a century, really going to shit in the last years, but that too was just a small moment. The big mongol moment itself wasn't more than dzinghis and then kublai, immediately falling into different tribes occupying mostly the middle asian steppes. The mughals through the turkic known as timur were distinctive enough as well to not be considered part of that aside from maybe the first few decades of the 300. So I really wouldn't agree with that second post you linked back to.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 3:53:49 AM No.81496093
>>81494279
Realizing that everyone is retarded, that you are retarded, that I am retarded, is a good starting point towards viewing the world more objectively.
Objective truth should always stand above your feelings, but I know concepts like this are hard for a tranny like you to understand.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:25:59 AM No.81496272
The rate shit is going nowadays, 2 weeks ago is practically ancient history.