I can't imagine approaching a woman because the thought of doing so and bothering her makes me feel guilty.
I am physically incapable of being attractive to women, so to try to form relationships, knowing that they don't really find me physically attractive seems selfish to me.
Therefore, the only morally corrext option for me is to not talk to women and accept that I will be a life long bachelor.
The only goal now is to defeat sexual impulses and figure out a way to supress desire for sex and companionship. Because masturbation and pornography make me feel guilty too but I still can't stop myself.
Its the last goal. Once I can quit masturbation, I will finally be free.

>>81511940 (OP)
>I can't imagine approaching a woman because the thought of doing so and bothering her makes me feel guilty.
>I am physically incapable of being attractive to women, so to try to form relationships, knowing that they don't really find me physically attractive seems selfish to me.
I have similar thoughts.
I have no attraction neither in looks, nor in my wealth or any achievements, and I am virgin in my years that is extreme ick.
Only way for me to have any value for women is going total fake and lies about myself. So idea if bothering women instantly feels for me doing cheating and fraud, I and I don't find any pleasure in defrauding people.

>>81511940 (OP)
To deny oneself love and connection out of guilt is to punish the heart for feeling what is natural. Even the withered tree reaches for the sun, not to boast, but to live.

>>81511940 (OP)
>Because masturbation and pornography make me feel guilty too but I still can't stop myself.
perhaps you can do it so much that you stop caring. that's what happened to me, maybe it will work for you

>>81512170
Guilt is natural feeling. What you talking about.

>>81512241
Guilt is a visitor, not a ruler. If it stays too long, it no longer teaches but restrains you. Wise ones do not banish guilt, but question it. Ask yourself this:
>"'Is this the voice of truth, or the echo of old wounds?"
To live well is not to feel nothing, but to feel rightly.

>>81512170
>>81512287
wow its like confucius is actually in the thread

>>81512170
By now I'm used to it. I would probably be a bad partner anyway since I'm fairly solitary and most of my time is spent practicing a hobby of some kind

>>81511940 (OP)
Yeah, it's a survival instict to keep our egos intact, to want to have some dignity.
You also feel like its not dignifying if others get what you cannot get but need.
Women like men who are of value. Build your value by figuring out what people need and becoming popular. It's gonna take you a few years.
Maybe it's already too late for you. But the earlier you start, the less you will have to regret in the future.

>>81512287
>Ask yourself this:
>Is this the voice of truth
I do ask myself, and I can't find what can I offer to women. What do women want? These things I don't have.
Whhat can I offer? Lies, pretending I am person I am not.

>>81511940 (OP)
>doing so and bothering her makes me feel guilty
same here, some women will actually smile at me and i look away, not because i'm shy but i can't bear putting them in the situation where i'm smiling (back) at them. I'm so overly considerate of them not feeling uncomfortable I won't even acknowledge their existence, even when they want me to. Its totally out of control, I'm over 40 and havent had a girlfriend in 10 years, and never had a real long term live-together relationship. There was once, even two girls sitting together, one massaging the others shoulders, and they were both staring at me, and I thought, oh I probably shouldn't be seeing that.

Even if a woman were to somehow convince herself that she is attracted to me, I would try to convince her that she is mistaken and to look elsewhere for a better guy

>>81512932
Yeah this is me. I'm so fundamentally broken and universally ignored by women that I think she either thinks so poorly of herself that she has to settle for me. I'd point out how I'm fundamentally broken as a person and that literally any other human being would probably be better than me. I'd be saying all this while on the inside screaming for connection. It would be selfish of me to feed into her delusions.

>>81512932
I did that once in middle school on the last day of 6th grade. She looked down at the ground with a sad look and said nothing. On the first day of 7th grade I saw her again. She was angry and attempting to kick my shins while calling me an asshole as her female friend watched. Later that day, her female friend found me walking through the hall with no one else around and she hugged me. It was my first and only time ever being hugged in my life. Neither of us said anything and I kept my arms at my sides. The whole time I was just thinking about how she smelled my awful scent and felt my disgusting misshapen diseased body during that hug. I never saw either of them again after that day. I am a 29 year old khhv neet

>>81511940 (OP)
Very relatable. I'm pretty certain women would be uncomfortable with me asking them out, and I know for a fact they will never ask me out, therefore it is over.
It's a pretty simple equation but also pretty unbreakable. Take solace in your friendships and your passions bros.

>>81511940 (OP)
Stop thinking so highly of yourself, you sound like those retards that think "I will kms in front of you to change your life forever"

You are almost never bothering people. And in a lot of ways you can actually make their day instead with a simple chat. We live in times where we mistrust strangers for stupid reasons.

>>81515277
women proudly say they feel insulted when nonchad men approach them.

>>81511940 (OP)
>because the thought of doing so and bothering her makes me feel guilty.
>I am physically incapable of being attractive to women,
>knowing that they don't really find me physically attractive seems selfish
What exactly makes you so sure of this OP? How bad is it really?

>>81511940 (OP)
If all introspective men retreated we'll be stuck living in a world more dominated by impulsive abusechads than it already is

>>81515394
bald with a fucked up jaw and glasses
At best I'm never considered as anything but a 4

>>81515294
Yeah I saw the spammed reddit post too, it's a spammed reddit post.

>>81515737
Its honestly really depressing
>if you work really hard, one day you might be able to be average looking

>>81512287
>Confucius silver/blue eyed
Ancient China Hapa confirmed. SEAMonkey inhabitants of today pls go

If a woman ever approached me and tried to interact, I would assume its a trick and im being set up for a prank, or a scam or because someone dared them to do it.

>>81511940 (OP)
You need to punch some heavy bag my dude.

>>81517424
i'm a martial artist, i train fairly consistently and i work out fairly consistently too. i still 80% agree with OP. I don't think martial arts with fix this problem for most people.

>>81517424
I've thought muay thai looked cool and would like to at least try it a bit. For what purpose though? Would that actually help with making me want to consume porn and masturbation less?
Because I kinda agree with >>81517606 as I already do weightlifting.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say I'm depressed. Just one of those things where occasionally I think about it and feel a little melancholy, having accepted my fate of being single