I've never had this argument with anyone, but to me it seems pretty simple. You just need to be able to see the big picture.

If you want a safe and good society then people shouldn't walk around with guns. If you actually prefer living in the Wild West where you need to defend yourself using guns then it's different.

As long as you're able to see that a society is defined by the quality of the people living there it seems simple.

As a hyperbole of what I'm talking about, what if everyone had access to bombs, nukes, biological weapons, lasers et cetera. Where do you set the line on what people should be allowed to have?

Tell me, which racial demographic is causing the most gun violence?

>>81523064
3-5% of nig males, 1-3% of white males, 0.01% of asian males, hispanic males somewhere between nigs and whites. Just because OP is a fag and doesnt like guns doesnt mean the rest of us want to be toothless queers

>>81523078
So despite being such a fraction of the population, they commit a disproportionate amount of gun violence? Why not just get rid of niggers?

>>81523091
>Why not just get rid of niggers?
That's exactly what you need to do. But if everyone was a good person there'd be no reason to walk around with guns.

>>81523078
>Just because OP is a fag and doesnt like guns
Strawman and you're a moron. Guns can be good for killing people. I think we should use them on people like you.

>>81523106
Simply owning a firearm doesn't equate to any moral characteristics. Do I get to take your kitchen knives because you MIGHT cut yourself?

>>81523091
Control for nigs and gun crime rates go down to euro levels

>>81523119
>heh, you have committed a strawman good sir
You dont want guns and are a fag, and you also want no one else to have guns. I will have guns and you will not suck my dick because you would enjoy it, being a fag and all

>>81523121
>Simply owning a firearm doesn't equate to any moral characteristics
Wrong.

>>81523121
>Do I get to take your kitchen knives because you MIGHT cut yourself?
False equivalency.

>>81523133
>False equivalency
No

>>81523436
Guns are weapons and kitchen knives are culinary tools. Also terrible post. "No" isn't saying shit. The only reason I'm replying is that there are no other posts to reply to.

>>81523595
A weapon is a category of tools.
Guns can be use to hunt, or to defend yourself, or your country

more guns = more gun violence

It's obvious. But Americans won't listen to it, so don't waste your breath.

It's also obvious in the rest of the world, as guns go up, more people die. Guns go down, fewer people die (violently).

>>81523689
>more guns = more gun violence
Statistically incorrect

>>81523055 (OP)
Freedom > safety.

>>81523664
>A weapon is a category of tools.
>Guns can be use to hunt, or to defend yourself, or your country
So what?

>>81523689
Switzerland is one of the most armed country in the world.
Mexico and Brazil have strong gun control.
Which one is the safest ?

>>81523727
How will i hunt or defend myself without guns ?
>inb4, a bow

>>81523055 (OP)
>>81523689
>"just ban firearms"
>the technology is out of the bag already
>criminals still get their hands on them, and now since they're already illegal by default, they might as well make them compact machine guns with suppressors as well
i'm going to fart in your mouth, and you had better just hope i don't have diarrhea.

>>81523715
That's actually a valid argument I think because you have the right to choose what you want. It obviously only applies to yourself though because you can't choose that others should choose the same.

One more thing is that I think there's a high likelihood that you have misconceptions about what freedom is.

>>81523752
Ha-ha-ha. What are you even talking about? You can use a gun to defend yourself. That's a thing in Svalbard because of the polar bears for example

>>81523760
See this post is the typical example of not seeing the bigger picture.

If you live among criminals you should have guns to kill the criminals, do you get it? The point is that when you live among criminals you're already doing it wrong.

>i'm going to fart in your mouth, and you had better just hope i don't have diarrhea.
Of course a moron who doesn't get it would write something like this. Thanks for proving to everyone what you are.

>>81523689
>But Americans won't listen to it, so don't waste your breath.
Are Americans just genetically dumber? Is it the education or what?

>>81523119
>gun control fag also has violent fantasies of using guns on those he disagrees with
Even in your fantasies you're just watching people you don't like be killed, pottery kek

>That's actually a valid argument I think because you have the right to choose what you want. It obviously only applies to yourself though because you can't choose that others should choose the same.
>One more thing is that I think there's a high likelihood that you have misconceptions about what freedom is.
You sound like a fucking retard.

>>81523055 (OP)
You're more than welcome to try and take them but you won't do shit.

>>81523878
You obviously have no idea who I am or what I'm about. Laugh about that.

>>81523811
Didnt OP said he wants to ban guns ?

>>81523893
If I were to decide I'd slaughter you and all other threatening, violent, low IQ pieces of trash from this world.

>>81523930
Start with yourself nigger

>>81523904
My stance is that guns have no place in a peaceful society. If you need guns then your society is already trash and you must fix that instead first. Guns obviously have their place and time.

>>81523742
>Switzerland has around 2.3 million privately owned firearms
>The prevalence of guns is linked to Switzerland's militia system, where citizens are expected to serve in the military and store their weapons at home
>there are approximately 220 gun deaths annually
>of these deaths, around 200, are attributed to suicide
>There are an estimated 400 to 500 million privately owned firearms in the United States
>In 2022, there were 48,204 gun deaths in the United States. 27,032 of which are suicides

Ok, mutt.

>>81523760
>we've allowed hundreds of millions of weapons into private hands
>a blanket ban wouldn't instantly solve gun crime!
Hmmm..

>>81523689
There's virtually zero nigger type gun violence in Finland, firearm related deaths are like 99% suicides.

>>81523055 (OP)
COLD DEAD HANDS

>>81523946
You wish I were a nigger because that would make it so simple for you to win the argument, you inarticulate genetic dead end.

>>81523055 (OP)
>I am an out of shape homosexual redditor but let me tell you what your rights should be
You didn't mention race because you're a lying pussy, kill yourself with something slow and painful if you're against guns, faggot.

>>81523953
If the society is peaceful why do you feel threaten by guns ?
Also, the society might be peaceful, but it needs to protect itself from other societies.
And again, how will i hunt without my guns ?

>>81523970
Which is still considered a violent death, caused by guns. >>81523966 for more info

>>81523966
>all that irrelevant suicide shit
If someone wants to kill themselves who are you to stop them ?
>graph
USA is vague. Some states have more gun control than european countries.
Post a graph that shows both gun death and gun ownership rates. (you wont)

>>81524017
>caused by guns
They would pick another method.
Do you think theres no suicides out of the US ?

>Gun Deaths
>Gun Violence
>Aw man, getting violently murdered to death would have been fine if it was just with a knife instead of this nasty GUN. Yuck.

>>81523995
>If the society is peaceful why do you feel threaten by guns ?
Because they're dangerous and don't belong in a peaceful situation, making you also think the guy is a nutjob. You could still have them at a gun range or something like that. Anywhere it actually makes sense. It's the same reason it's illegal to carry a knife with you in a city.

>Also, the society might be peaceful, but it needs to protect itself from other societies.
Definitely. In which case guns and other weapons make sense.

>And again, how will i hunt without my guns ?
You can use guns to hunt. As long as the hunt is otherwise legal.

>>81524022
>Post a graph that shows both gun death and gun ownership rates.
For each of the 50 states*

>>81523930
>if i were to decide
You won't do shit.

>>81523971
>COLD DEAD HANDS
Accepted.

>>81524039
>Because they're dangerous
Cars and trains and planes and bikes are dangerous too. Lets ban them.

>Definitely. In which case guns and other weapons make sense
But you still want to ban them ?

>You can use guns to hunt
So you dont want to ban them now ?

>>81524017
>suicide counts as gun violence
Nigga please

>>81524044
If I had the choice to make the world better I would because I have morals.

>>81524050
>Accepted
Accept than you wont do shit fednigger

>>81524050
>Accepted.
COME AND TAKE THEM THEN

>>81524078
>I would genocide half of humanity, look at how moral i am !

>>81524063
>Cars and trains and planes and bikes are dangerous too. Lets ban them.
That's retarded. They have functions. Moron.

>So you dont want to ban them now ?
I get that's it confusing being dumb.

>>81524050
>>81524078
Internet bitches never do a thing kek

>>81524090
Killing evil is moral, yes.

>>81524050
But you're a weak bitch who thinks guns will bite him if he gets close.

>>81524110
>killing is moral
>bbbbut guns are bad because they are!!!
LMAO

>>81524118
Look at the poor retard being confused.

>>81523851
>"just ban guns"
>"oh but when you might need them, they're fine"
?????
nice "bigger picture" perspective from someone who can't even follow their own line of logic.
when the populace is disarmed and has no chance of defending itself, bad actors are also equally aware of this and are more likely to take advantage of it. have you ever heard of the phrase, "an armed society is a polite society"? you can't materialize a weapon out of thin air, there has to be provisions for it. and for that matter, people aren't born criminals either. but as far as what motivates people to pursue a life of crime instead of employment is an entirely separate subject.
>>81523966
>vast majority of firearm deaths are suicides
not a secret, and this is also mostly endemic to how people treat firearms like an 'off switch' and are usually unable to separate their emotional impulses from this, and the perception that it's much easier than addressing the underlying factors of why you feel that way or even just reaching out. this also bleeds over into the subject of the quality of healthcare in each country. for example in America, a firearm costs about as much as a dentist visit, and if you need more complex work done, they cost much less than that.
>>81524026
>They would pick another method.
perhaps, but that also means that they need access to those methods and are willing to follow through with them. just by reducing immediate access in adverse emotional states, reduces the likelihood that you will still be in that emotional state later on and ergo, less likely to commit.

>>81524139
>he thinks im laughing because im confused
LMFAO

>>81524142
>can't even follow their own line of logic.
It's perfectly consistent when you don't just dumb it down to fit into your dumb little box of preconceptions.
Read the rest of the thread, I think I answered your point of view already.

>>81524096
Guns have functions too.
Protecting your life and being independant is more important than fast travelling

>>81524142
>perhaps, but that also means that they need access to those methods and are willing to follow through with them. just by reducing immediate access in adverse emotional states, reduces the likelihood that you will still be in that emotional state later on and ergo, less likely to commit.
A rope is cheap and easy to access so i dont know whats your point

>>81524225
>Muh protection

>>81524252
>No argument
Begone, republicuck

>>81524184
>I think I answered your point of view already.
no, you're simply making more and more exceptions to your initial point of view.
>we should ban guns because they have no place in peaceful society
>ok you can hunt with them
>ok you can defend yourself with them
>ok your country can defend itself against other countries with them
>yeah cops should have them
>yeah you can have them at the gun range
it seems this stems from your inability to perceive what enables a society to be "peaceful" in the first place.
>>81524250
>A rope is cheap and easy to access so i dont know whats your point
you still need to go to the hardware store and buy it / go to where you're storing it
you still need to spend the time to tie it into a noose
you still need to think about where to hang that noose, and if it can support your weight
you still need to go there and hang it up
you still need to put your neck in the loop
and lastly you still need to commit to the actual act of hanging

each of those steps is something that takes time and allows you to cool off and can essentially serve as an emotional barrier to actually following through. when you're going through the steps, you can decide "eh, nevermind, maybe later" and that itself is an act of suicide prevention.

>>81524360
You're too dumb for further arguments. Also you came here. Not the other way around. So leave. I have nothing more to say to a retard anymore than I have letters to ant colonies.

>>81524472
>no, you're simply making more and more exceptions to your initial point of view.
Wrong. My view hasn't changed at all. If it had I swear I'm man enough to say so. You're the one who judged too hastily, fag. Exactly as I said
>your dumb little box of preconceptions

>>81524537
>My view hasn't changed at all.
Can you restate it again more clearly ?
Because you seem very confuse on what you want

>>81524537
go ahead and re-read the thread then.
and while you're at it, tell me what enables a "peaceful society" to exist, and what the difference between that and your perception of "the Wild West" is.
i'll give you a hint, there's really no difference and it always circles back to a 'good guy' with a gun.

>>81524563
I think guns are only for the right time and place, and my main point is that a peaceful society doesn't have guns among the citizens or police, only to defend itself against other countries or in instances with polar bears for example. So you should not be allowed to carry a gun (or another weapon including knives) with you out on the street among other people in a peaceful society. The moment you need to carry a gun or police needs it your country has already sunk too far to be called peaceful.

>>81524627
>i'll give you a hint, there's really no difference and it always circles back to a 'good guy' with a gun.
That has always been my view. But good guys build good societies where only other good guys are allowed to live, in which they are no longer reliant on guns but rather on trust and cooperation. This is a good country that is the basis for development into more advanced states.

>>81523055 (OP)
>As long as you're able to see that a society is defined by the quality of the people living there it seems simple.
Certainly. If we didn't have brown people in the country, gun violence would effectively disappear overnight. Whites and Asians don't have this issue.
Therefore, we should have much more restrictive gun laws along the basis of race for people of races that disproportionately commit violent crime, and much loser ones for those that don't.

>>81523055 (OP)
1. Owning guns isn't even solely about self defence on an individual scale, it represents people having the ability to retaliate against the state and keep it in check. Governments only use instances of violent crime as an excuse to further their interests of state control and restrictions.
2. Just because yanks don't actually teach proper discipline when it comes to firearms doesn't mean every nation without strict gun control has high gun violence. Gun crimes are a result of poor standard of living, lack of education on firearm safety and the increase in mental conditions within people that they cannot access therapy for.
3. To ask you the inverse of your question; even if you do ban guns then where do we draw the line of what people shouldn't have? In Britain people that really want to commit violent crimes will just use knives because the reality is that banning guns is just placing a bandage on an open wound and the open wound is the dissatisfaction of the public.

You could also just envision this issue as society being a parallell to the body, where guns = immune cells, you don't want them active in the body when there's no threat, that's autoimmunity. But you still want to be protected against the outside world, especially when there are a lot of bacteria = bad people out there. Also when you're sick your immune system activates = sick society, more guns. It's this concept of repeating patterns at different scales. A sort of fractal-like thing that exists in nature.

>>81524831
I really wish whites and Asians worked more together. Why is it always whites + browns. That being said, it's only statistics and you shouldn't judge individuals on preconceptions if avoidable.

>>81524920
>it represents people having the ability to retaliate against the state and keep it in check
This idea seems like nothing but dumb fantasy to me. Nobody has never done anything like that and why do you hold on to the idea that you need to fight the government in this very specific way. It's like hiring a surgeon but telling him to not try anything funny and threatening him by holding a gun to his head while he operates on you. It makes no sense. How about you instead make sure psychos don't get in positions of power and fix your government in a way that makes sense.

>>81524920
>To ask you the inverse of your question; even if you do ban guns then where do we draw the line of what people shouldn't have? In Britain people that really want to commit violent crimes will just use knives because the reality is that banning guns is just placing a bandage on an open wound and the open wound is the dissatisfaction of the public.
I would draw the line where they can have what makes sense to have. People can have knives and cars and other things that can also be used destructively. And in addition I would draw the line that people who are allowed to live in a country have to not want to commit violent crimes, so it goes the other way in the case of knives. And you literally send out every bad person. In addition to already having good mental health services and good education of course.

>>81524763
>only other good guys are allowed to live
holy fucking dissonance batman
>no longer reliant on guns but rather on trust and cooperation.
false. on an individual basis, what happens when you can no longer trust someone and/or when they're not cooperative? you call for help from armed good guys, aka cops.
there is no way to guarantee that "only good guys" exist within your society. you can however motivate people to live a "good" life mostly by providing good economic opportunities, and discourage the same people from a life of crime by having adequate security and law enforcement to make it not worthwhile, and that inherently at some level implies "good guys" that are more capable and proficient at violence than the "bad guys"

>>81525254
>dissonance batman
No idea what you're talking about if you don't learn to use your words lil baby.

>>81523055 (OP)
Have you heard about the Yugoslav war OP?
If you look into it you will understand why Serbia is #3, and Montenegro is #4.
The unarmed muslim minority that was being genocided during that conflict wishes they had guns. Do you think the Holocaust would have taken place if every German Jew was armed?

>>81525290
Perhaps if Californians grow some balls they'll also realise they can partake in armed retaliation.

>>81525254
>>no longer reliant on guns but rather on trust and cooperation.
>false.
It's not even something you can say false to. It doesn't make sense because it was a scenario.
If you're a moron. Just don't respond. Thanks.

>>81525279
>picrel
still gonna fart in your mouth, stupid bitch.

>>81525312
>It doesn't make sense because it was a scenario.
>everything always goes absolutely perfectly as outlined in my hypotheticals
>nooo you can't tell me why it wouldn't work! it was always just an imaginary scenario anyway
you should try becoming a sci-fi author with that thought process.

I'm going to the next gun show soon and buying another gun just because of OP :)

>>81525433
Get shot in the face with it. :)))))

Americans are so obsessed with guns because they're compensating for their stolen foreskins