Why are men dropping out of college?

>>81561003 (OP)
I dropped out of college because I already have a degree.

men are in a downward spiral of nihilism, they gave up on life altogether, not just college

Men need purpose in life. Women just exist.

>>81561003 (OP)
Can anyone give me a good reason to invest my money in going to college?

>>81561037
According to 2022 data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the median annual wage for a full-time worker ages 22 to 27 with a high school diploma is $30,000. For a full-time worker with a bachelor's degree, it's $52,000.

The difference marks a pay gap of $22,000.

>>81561003 (OP)
men still go for stem but humanities has basically gone full retarded

Most humanities departments have chosen their focus to racial grievance politics

Men are still pretty logical. A humanities degree doesn't really help you find a job. If you are a man interested in the humanities, you can just... use free resources to polish your writing capabilities, read continental philosophy, learn new languages, etc... You don't need to go to a four year university to study all that and also be forced to take social justice I, social justice II, advanced social justice, black studies, and other third worldist garbage courses alongside it.

>>81561074
>You don't need to go to a four year university to study all that
Ah, excellent. "Just be a fucking pseud."

>>81561083
Pseud is thinking you need the validation of a degree to be educated.

You don't need a university to structure your learning in current year.

>>81561097
You need real experience if you don't have experienced teachers, otherwise you're just some pompous blowhard who talks out their ass, and the people who are serious can hear the difference.
I fully expect you to continue doubling and tripling down on this like the blowhard pseud that you are.

>>81561003 (OP)
I changed career from a workplace that was 80% women (white collar) to 28% women (blue collar, women are still somewhat separated to the admin field).
My mental state has increased significantly, guys can just say what they want and no one takes it too hard, they move on and we just get the work done and talk shit. The difference is night and day compared to where i was where everyone was on guard trying to not hurt each others feelings or say the wrong thing.
The women frequently come over and complain that another woman is being a bitch or making the environment insufferable and just a nightmare to be in.
They are slowly invading blue collar areas as well.
Women allow/push for the destruction of mens spaces. Yes, some men are simps and speed it up but women take advantage of it.

I went from "keep quiet and don't upset the others, i just need to get home to relax away from this wagie cagie" even though i was relatively liked, to "lmao you guys seen this meme?" and "bro wanna stay back after work and we can just smash this job, or work on something of our own, we got time before we hit the gym"

>>81561069
Why do I need more money? As long as I have a place to sleep and food, I'm good.

>>81561128
If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library.

>>81561277
https://read.gov/aesop/052.html

>>81561302
Doubling down on talking out your ass called and checked.

>>81561257
I used to work in a warehouse environment and a lot of women were pretty cool. I actually didn't have any problem, probably because even though it was 50/50 male/female its just working people who just wanna make bread and go home, not a place for upper class liberal types. but then some new hair dyed hair bitch complained about me because I asked her if she could do something and she thought I said it too aggressively and because she was black she interpreted it as me doing it to her because she was black (even though I talk that way to everyone)

desu it literally just takes a couple really retarded bitches to make a workplace go from being tolerable to terrible. And of course hr complaints they always side with the woman so if you get one talking to from them you just kinda check out because theres not much else you can do

>>81561003 (OP)
There is no point. Society can't even guarantee me a woman who isn't a coal burner at this point. If niggers don't have to work or be ambitious, why should I?

>>81561315
cringe wagie ants don't appreciate art.

>>81561359
"There's a time for work and a time for play."
-Aesop

>>81561384
I'm 30 years old i need to play

>>81561326
>desu it literally just takes a couple really retarded bitches to make a workplace go from being tolerable to terrible
True. What a bitch.
My current boss said one thing he wont tolerate is drama, which is probably why everyone is pretty chill.

>>81561128
>You need real experience if you don't have experienced teachers
this doesn't mean anything. Plus, over 90% of teachers are shite at their job anyway. And these are not my words, alright, you can hear this sentiment from the LIBERAL university and college professors who have either retired OR went into "youtube" careers and became entertainment-educators, even if they still have some lectures in unis and stuff. People such as:
Bret Weinstein, for example. But the list of names is very, very long indeed. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not with what a single person has to say, esp. all of it, like a brainwashed member of an ideological cult you are, it's what most/all of them are saying about the transformations in environment.
All of this, however, without even touching on the topic of the AI yet, which will and must transform everything, including your very understanding of education itself. I mean, it already did. For people like me. Retards like you will need more time to accept the new realities of the 21st century. It's hard to let go for retards and outdated mammoth shit like boomers.
TL;DR: You're living in the past. And you were sold a diploma. And lies. I understand it, anon, very clearly. Simply not applicable in 2025.

>>81561519
>here's why school is bad: a poorly written wall of text
>by tardy mctardson

>>81561570
>grammar
not an argument. Thank you for proving me completely right, however. Here, study this:
>https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy
Also, imagine being such a retard, that you would believe that the perfection of writing right out of your head, thinking much faster than you're typing too, in one of the international languages is a sign of anything in 2025.
What you should have payed attention to, is that my post wasn't written by the AI and also without any auto-correct. Because if I cared or wanted to write a perfect text in one of the multiple languages I speak fluently (4 languages, by the way), I could have easily done so.
Yes, I am flexing my uber IQ without any tools on you on purpose in this pointless tred. Because you were retarded enough to dare to point the mistakes out in 2025 on the internet. Like a completely worthless and utterly retarded piece of biotrash you are. You don't even realize that you have shown the world, that you're not to be payed any attention to. I can bet you can't even speak English properly and that is the only language you know and will ever learn.
You prove time and again that lies about "very worthy diploma for the rest of your life" sells great to 80iq clinical spastics such as yourself.
Human learning is a never ending process, much like an AI never ceases to learn. So stay in your lane, smoothbrain.

>>81561069
Now control for IQ

>>81561607
If you are trying to convince people of something, you should use proper grammar or risk being marginalized as an uneducated tard. You are unrepentantly unconvincing.

>>81561620
A random retard on the internet
>intelligence matters for earnings in 2025 hurr durr
lol. lmao even. never did. Esp. not in the current economy. Besides intelligence doesn't equal education. I'm smarter than the vast majority, but I never wasted my time on bullshit such as masters or a phd, because I knew I won't pursue an academic career.
>https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/39/5/820/7008955?login=false
TL;DR: IQ is irrelevant and has no correlation to earnings.

>>81561627
> you should use proper grammar hurr durr
Doesn't matter in 2025. Which makes you factually wrong. And proves me factually right. Automatically. You can't get that simple truth through your retarded skull, which is irrelevant at large. But if you want a consensus or multiple opinions, then go ahead, ask other people what they think about the grammar on the internet vs the idea itself on the internet.
TL;DR: Thanks for letting me win so fucking easily. You have argument, no facts, nothing. Just superficial irrelevant bullshit. Good luck, retard.

>>81561656
At least you didn't start this post with a fucking lowercase letter. Eat shit, young lad.

>>81561128
Do u think the average college in 2025 has experienced teachers anon

>>81561664
If I wanted to complain, I'd become a teacher myself.

>>81561663
>Eat shit, young lad.
Ah yes. There it is. So obivous. Of course it is a retarded outdated fukken mammoth boomer, who lives in a fantasy world. Worse than a troonster, I swear.
If you retard knew how old I were, how high my IQ is, and what my job is, you'd fukken kill yourself, because of you utterly worthless and braindead your ancient arse is.

>>81561672
Complain about...?

>>81561003 (OP)
>Go to college
>Going into $50k worth of debt
>Come out
>Have to compete with jeets shipped here with no debt
>They can afford to undercut you to a degree you are unable to live
Sounds like a good plan

>>81561681
Anon, a smoothbrained boomer believes that nobody ever has heard his 72iq mega takes on the world and how things work and so he decided to prove all of us working people, who shape the world today wrong, by telling us about firm handshakes, and "do it yourself", and false appeal to authority, and so on, and so forth. You could hear the exact same braindead bullshit 30 years ago on the internet too. lmao.
TL;DR: Boomer is a worthless biomass, don't expect anything coherent or valuable there.

>>81561003 (OP)
I only made it to community college but I dropped out because I was too dumb to get past the general ed requirements to do what I actually wanted to do, which would have been a waste of time and money anyways.

>>81561003 (OP)
I dropped out of college because I had a drinking problem and insisted on lying to the people around me and doing drugs instead of going to class. Based on the guys I met there, I would assume that's the case or most men.

>>81561519
>>81561636
>>81561695
Obvious AI spambot

>>81561675
>how old I were, how high my IQ is, and what my job is
No, please go ahead. I'd like to laugh even harder.

>>81561720
AI follows your irrelevant grammar which makes your microdick wet, you piece of mammoth shit.
Funnier still, even if I were an AI, I'd still win this. So you essentially just surrendered your self-fantasized and self-percieved intellectual superiority to a fucking LLM. It means that we factually don't need you in this world anymore. You're a drain on resources. The WW3 can't come fast enough at this point, so many worthless shit eaters.

>>81561733
Take it easy pajeet

>>81561726
I'm one of the people who will bring about the AI government. New systems in local government in one of my current projects.
You live in a fantasy world, a bubble of wishy make belief thinking and bullshit, but you don't understand it. You're exactly the same as troonsters. Utterly delusional.

>>81561755
>I'm one of the people who will bring about the AI government.
You too? On what kind of timescale is the project plan?

>>81561751
curtailing the population of species known as pajeets is one of the benefits of a global war at this point, yes.

>dread crept over the pseud as he realized that there were no project plans at his job

>>81561763
>You too?
tens of thousands of people are in the government across all of the branches. that's just the local level. police is also the government, i.e. so are the armed forces, etc.
>On what kind of timescale is the project plan?
nobody knows for sure and the government is slow, but we already have examples of using AI agents here and there in the management, handling the paperwork, in the government. It's working today. But nobody stops at it, we implement new systems, databases, cloud computing, all that good stuff, and among all of those, of course also the AI and the AI agents for people in the government to work with.
I don't know who will be left or what the management or the government will look like in 10 to 20 years from now, I assume most jobs inside of such structures won't exist anymore, at all.

>>81561788
"nobody knows for sure" isn't exactly as suicide-inducing as you promised.

>>81561804
You're stunned, because I'm telling you the truth. Something people have rarely done to you in your life. It's factual. Deadlines of projects in the government are like jerking off. They're constantly in flux. Plus, it is about a lot of money too. When was the last time you heard about anybody or any business paid by the government trying hard to finish everything as fast as humanly possible?
Right.

>>81561128
experience doing what? Humanities is just pseuds arguing anyway

>>81561824
Projects with no planning are just grift.

>>81561003 (OP)
good image, why the fuck did it have to be an mp4? so you can have a shaking pepe in the top? That's gay just let me read without the visual static of a bunch of unchanging frames.

>>81561827
Whatever the job is. What kind of job do you get with a humanities degree, anyways?

Remove the networking / socialising element of university and what do you have left in terms of academic benefit?

There will be people enrolling in colleges and universities this September to study 3-5 years only to find upon graduation that a computer program that was in operation in 2025, could produce higher quality output than what they can produce in 2030 after having finished their degree. Which is to say nothing of the quality of AI output in 2030 which will presumably be insane.

>>81561848
I got a job in a bank with a humanities/law degree

>>81561860
AIs aren't going to get that much better in five years without some drastic breakthrough, and we'll need coders to write that breakthrough.

>>81561868
Do you have any coworkers without a degree?

>>81561878
And for this breakthrough we will need junior software devs hired out of university whose sum total experience comes to FizzBuzz and other toy problems they wrote at university within the years 2025 - 2030?

>>81561003 (OP)
I dropped out of engineering because I got addicted to drugs not because of women. I was invited to quite a few parties and women generally enjoy my company, i got too comfortable and that's where the problems started. And it was completely my fault, had to process it working shitty jobs living with my rightfully pissed off family for 2 years before going back and finishing. If you're coming out of highschool and don't feel like locking in for university take a year off to work then apply. Keeps you busy, NEETing will kill you. Guarantee you'll have way more discipline for school working backbreaking jobs for pennies.

>>81561837
There is planning. But having a calendar with milestones means fuck all in the large parts of the government.
Look, government is a huge, immense apparatus, responsible for a myriad of things. From inventing, adjusting, etc, the rules and standards to holding all of them up. Government also has to keep track of an insane amount of things. For example bridge load of all of the bridges. Which depends on the age of the bridge, read materials, durability over time, too. Humans on average, unless they're autistic, never even stop to think, about all of the things, incl. regulations and numbers the government keeps track of. I can give you more concrete examples, as I already did.
Application, form, paper processing. There is no reason all of those, at least the initial test of being filled out properly and having a signature, if required, can't be done by a computer program. Government systems almost everywhere across the world are largely outdated, so are plenty of banking systems, by the way. Some government workers have to work with fucking software written for Win 3.11. I'm not joking. One would think Win XP and Win Server 2000. But even these are partially too modern, lmao.

TL;DR: So long story short, government already has implemented AI to process some forms and applications. People have no idea, but their applications are checked and partially processed by the AI today. It will only spread itself from here. How many years exactly at this point? Nobody knows. Not only because government and projects being dynamic and in flux, but also because of the factual AI development, jumps in performance, and so forth.

>>81561903
Yes. A senior developer doesn't want to do that shit. They'll just whip up some relational models and give each junior a table or a stack component to implement.
>but won't the AI do the junior dev roles?
No, again, the senior dev doesn't want to deal with thousands of lines of vibe code diarrhea. The junior devs clean it up before the senior dev reviews it and tells them the things that both they and the AI missed.

>>81561917
Planning a project involves learning the dependencies of each task and ensuring that things are executed in the correct order.
If you're really working on AI workflows, that should sound very familiar. If there is a lack of a project plan, it indicates a lack of competence to design workflows in general.

>>81561627
He convinced me desu, I know people with Master's who will flat out say the best way to learn is to use the massive database call the internet and do independent study and research. Courses and credentials mean nothing. Its like a cute little game to play, nothing more.

>>81561924
>only a human can debug, edit and unit test code written by an AI before passing it along to a competent senior dev

I'm not convinced you really believe this, despite typing it. And if you do believe it, and you think that particular pocket is the niche in which biological humans can exist for the next 5+ years without AI becoming able to perform that particular task (to a higher standard than any human) then good luck to you.

>>81561949
I did say "You need real experience if you don't have experienced teachers." I'm not an elitist, you can gain experience without college, but you have to actually try and not just gloss over some introductory texts and Dunning-Kruger yourself.

>>81561961
I am gonna be honest, I was considering writing out a long winded reply and explaining myself to you, but having lurked further, you just sorta come across as a dipshit and aren't worth a reply. You seem to already have such strong opinions so I might as well do this irrinrornf9end9wpsndoe93nd93jddnoeossneoeneodboeejejen393br9xnelens9wlwpaboseneoeb3iws eosoeieoen3orn9eneoeen9eejo2ns9ebeodjsiend93ndieid9en39dbeiej2owkdj0wkabdoejdkesieoeneodbcie9ebcbroenxnepwmcnofotj493ir83949gmgoto49t9tjfnxbxbxbdjdbdjbfodnckfmfif9ekwpwp. Theres no real room for conversation with people like you.

>>81561947
I can tell you have no experience with such projects. Not with the government and not on such a massive scale.
What you're saying is the basics of the software engineering of a cs grad that errbody learns in the kindergarten nowadays. And they made sense for an offline software project a number of years ago or small tools today, maybe, even.
Your line of thinking is in no way applicable to the huge scale LIVE projects, that have to ensure SECURITY first, functionality, stability, teaching the workers the basics of software, and so, and so forth, in parallel, while fixing and combating real-time issues, problems, threats, and cyber attacks.
Human factor alone makes any design workflow fly out of the fucking window, if you don't have stable e-mail servers protected by layers of nowadays AI spam filters, because Kevin the 63 year old moron from community garden planning or some such bullshit has opened a malicious spam e-mail and data in it containing worms (written by AI as of today, or with the help of).
Normally the news don't report it, but the amount of times the government was hacked and cyber attacked is staggering. When something bad does happen it usually is the human factor. But that's a tangent.
Not to mention that any change in data protection, or systems security at large, and so on, have to be voted on by the local politicians first. Because they'll be working with it. Their heads are at stake. A federal government can't just magically command everything and fix everything and give all of the guidelines for everybody. Maybe they should've invested in such a plan, but it doesn't exist. Because "local", read state, and then down to the town hall level, mini governments are all independent, yet must co-exist and cooperate efficiently at all times. Preferably anyway.
TL;DR: Anon, it is way, way more complicated than you think of it initially or imagine it to be.

>>81561958
What I said was that the senior dev doesn't want to deal with all that shit.
And he wants to retire someday and is looking to train replacements for the long term. You're delusional if you think that AI will be taking over all programming roles completely in the long term.

>>81562053
Those are all things that can be accounted for, and not doing so is graft.

>>81561069
>New York
Yeah Im going to accept these stats as real and true and not fake lies at all

>>81562113
Ad locum

no coitus, no college

>>81562099
Things in reality don't work in the ways we wished they would have. There is no shutting Alabama down for a day to install a new MS Office package for BillyBob and tens of thousands of his coworkers, and tomorrow the operations will resume just fine. This is not how modern government, projects, and project implementations work, anon.
I can tell you one of the steps that is being done, that you can't plan for: software and everything around it. So what is done, for example, E-Mails are being sent to all of the Team Leaders (and there are shitloads of small teams in the governments) with the request to assign users for cooperation with the IT and implementation. It ranges from pre mass rollout beta testing, bug reports, up to creating a report with lists, of for example all of the software and nuances of digital work relevant and needed for the functionality of a team. Like engineering or scientific software, anybody, governmental medical experts. What tools are they using for expertise. How is the data stored. Are they working remotely? Cloud computing? Local level? What are the data security laws and norms, on a local level? All of these must be answered for effectively for (or by) every single employee of the system known collectively as the government(s), and accurately, before you could even start planning the way you want to plan. It's not really feasible. Not even talking about most people (females mostly top kek) in the government being completely fucking tech illiterate.
A man can only do so much in a working week, but the world around doesn't stop and the man has to constantly take into the account all of the changes. Which is why everything is done LIVE.
TL;DR: Live project. Keep up by keeping up. If you were to dedicate your time to thorough planning alone, you'd never be finished with the planning by itself.

A ship with no sail will not reach a port. If you can't plan parallel tasks or manage resources, that's massive incompetence and/or intentional graft.

>>81561003 (OP)
Women bully men out if they are not giving them attention. Peers and teachers. The sexism and bullshit againat men pervades everything.

Yeah, sure, anon. Which is why I work on implementing new systems and AI into the government an you do not. More philosophy and less real world experience, dude.

You don't know what I do, pseud. If you did, you'd kill yourself.

I do know. You're nowhere near IT or AI, that's certain. You think that perfect planning exists. You think that floating deadlines do not, despite cs undergrads kindergarteners being taught about it for decades.
You assume that ideal or perfect anything exists. It doesn't. Ideal is the enemy of good and it's impractical and even harmful in the real world. While your autistic ass would be planning for every single exception and nuance the world will cease to exist. Technically. Things will just fall apart. People come and and go. Systems come and go. Innovations, improvements, breakthroughs, and even just logical upgrades of the technologies are inevitable.
But anon is planning. Anon knows for certain all of the malicious ways the AI will be used for to attack a system like say a government in 2030, because anon has planned for it in his imagination in the basement. top kek.

>You're nowhere near IT or AI, that's certain.
Thanks for the laugh. Good night.

I'm still waiting to hear your argument. I know that you have no argument. All you can is being pretentious. All throughout this thread. You're probably a typical neet anyway, which would be just fine. Except you have delusions of grandeur and think that you're smarter than the world and the AI, when factually you're more stupid than the current LLMs are.

>>81561003 (OP)
I never even bothered. When I learnt that a degree does not guarantee you a job, I just gave up on the idea. Why would I take a risk that could fuck my life up big time with debt