You didn't fall for the "Learn to Code" meme, did you?

>>81563189 (OP)
artGODS won

>>81563189 (OP)
I love how easy it is to meme americans into debt and possibly fucking themselves over
>Just go to college, bro. Any degree is better than no degree
College degree becomes devalued as a result
>Whoops, we really meant just code/learn stem bro. Everyone needs coders. It's the ticket to the middle class
Just for coding to become oversaturated
>College is a scam, bro. Just learn a trade
I give it a decade before wages start stagnating/dropping

>>81563189 (OP)
I major in IT and I don't like it but you know what they say you gotta study
At least I'm from europe so I won't go into life long debt

>>81563189 (OP)
no degree is worth it. I have a friend who's doing art and he's 50k down just on his fucking dorm

>>81563189 (OP)
>you are required to do this system or you will never get a high paying job
>normies call for you to lose the degree you spent years and tens of thousands of dollars to get because you gamed the system
literally everybody cheats on tests somehow, why is it so bad when it's AI that is used to do it?

im gonna get rich and ai cant cuck me feelsgoodman

>>81563259
The whole point of education is to learn lmao, if you wanna cheat then you're only disadvantaging yourself

Of course I fucking did. I made a file that said "Hello World"////// then I got a government job and I was like fuck as long as nobody finds me here I'm doing pretty good.

>>81563189 (OP)
I did not learn to code :/

>>81563315
You're completely right, but having the degree opens a lot of doors. Not only on the job market, but in other areas o life. It's a sign of status. For example, plenty of women wouldn't consider dating you, if you don't have a college degree. Plus even if you get your degree, but you don't learn shit, you still have to be resourceful and somehow figure out a way to pass all your classes.

>>81563189 (OP)
The 'bux office tried to meme me into this, but part of the course was teaching others, so my autist ass noped the fuck out of that.
Fortunately, I was finally able to get signed of on limited capability in '22, due to my mental illnesses.
I don't have to fake that I give a fuck about being a wagie normie anymore. Until the next cunting assessment.

>>81563189 (OP)
No and thank god

>>81563189 (OP)
Just like archaeology but for different reasons the field is highly saturated, basically any time there is an established "meta" you should ignore it because everyone is running toward it, making the fruit not only less abundant but less worthwhile

Do you guys think mathematics is still viable? I plan on becoming a statistician/data analyst when I go back to school

>>81564612
You'll be competing with chatgpt and Ranjeet who'll take 8 bucks an hour

>>81564612

Yes there's roles for that mainly in finance/insurance/logisitics. But they will almost never hire fresh grads and you will have to eat shit at an entry level call center or logistics job for a few years before you get what you want.

>>81564642
Honestly I just want an office job. Tired of slaving away in the sun with zero retirement and skin cancer as my reward.
It was cool for the first 5 years but now that I'm 7 in I'm getting bored.
I do make 25 bucks an hour now though.

>>81564654
yeah I was planning on getting into insurance as some sort of actuary.
Insurance companies are the scum of the Earth but as long as I get my bag and relatively cozy job I don't care.

>>81564691

Yeah I had to do 3 years of data entry before I got my "comfy" job.

>>81564703
I'm fine with that. I'm already 31 but I have half a shit ton of college credits already so I should be able to get my degree by 34 or 35, and find the job I actually want before I turn 40.
old, but I don't give a shit.
Better than what I'm currently doing. I've capped out in my current trade and the only way to be more successful is to start my own business. I don't really want to do that though.

>>81563315
>The whole point of education is to learn lmao
You clearly lack a functioning brain to see that's not what education is about.

>>81563189 (OP)
If your mentality is this as a programmer:
>Things will just fall apart. People come and and go. Systems come and go. Innovations, improvements, breakthroughs, and even just logical upgrades of the technologies are inevitable.
Don't be surprised that you won't get hired for doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on being a dumbass.

>>81563189 (OP)
>"Learn to Code" meme
I know how to program, but I am not a computer sci/eng grad. I am a hobbiest who contributes a lot of generative art tools (not AI).
Imagine working a job lol

>>81563259
In my country, this would constitute academic misconduct.

>>81563259
>literally everybody cheats on tests somehow
Do subhumans actually believe this?

>>81563189 (OP)
I'm just so tired of working at grocery stores and retail. Been doing that for a total of a decade on and off. Despite having an accounting degree. I'm 30 now
Started a new job as a cashier and already want to quit.
Genuinely considering going homeless as an alternative

>>81563189 (OP)
I'm sure that title is real, but I find it hard to believe it's true.

>>81563259
Never cheated, graduated with a 4.0. Still work a 40k a year job because no connections lmao

>>81564982
Phong Ngo wouldn't lie to us for sensationalist purposes, would he???? :O

>>81564975
I feel you
I once had the will to work those types of jobs as a late teen but once I entered my 20s, my tolerance for it obliterated

everybody learned to program so it's the bare minimum now

>>81563189 (OP)
Sorry, is this US citizen computer engineering grads or jeets and chinks that apply and beg for visas all the time?
I'm still seeing a shortage of computer engineers. I'm a team lead at a pretty big DoD prime contractor and my wife works at HR and I've literally seen the applications. Postings up for months and no one qualified is applying, it's just tons of foreign people graduating from US universities but can't work here without a visa. Literally can't hire them as they'll never get a clearance.

>>81563259
I still don't get how he "cheated". Most companies now have local LLM at 4o quality, at work for all this stuff including code assist. Did he pass all his in person exams? His project worked? Then it's good. Can he maintain it? Well that's why nothing is a solo project and there is tons of bureaucracy with morning SCRUM meetings.

If I were to give any of you advice it's to stop chasing money. Just go to school for what you actually enjoy. I've had a few stupid faggots that were smart but fucking hated coding and wouldn't shut the fuck up about their hobbies and I just thought, "man, maybe you should study that and work in that instead of wasting our time". Pretty much everyone I work with spends some time at home thinking or tinkering with Orins or local llm's and that sort of thing.

>>81565377
>I'm a team lead at a pretty big DoD prime contractor and my wife works at HR and I've literally seen the applications. Postings up for months and no one qualified is applying, it's just tons of foreign people graduating from US universities but can't work here without a visa. Literally can't hire them as they'll never get a clearance.
OK, but if someone had the skills you're looking for, why wouldn't they just start their own company? I would wager that you're barking up the wrong tree and should fill in the gaps with startup firm contracts.

>>81563189 (OP)
employed... but at what cost?

>>81563243
no, just art isn't worth it lol

>>81565448
Because we are looking for fresh graduates. The only requirement is you have a related degree and aren't a creep during the interview. If you mean "start your own company" in the west coast style snake oil salesman bullshit app, yeah go ahead. If you mean actually getting to construct something that works and isn't designed to fleece people, then no I don't think you'll get the backing to integrate or pitch your idea anywhere.
Even if that was your goal, you're better off making the connections at a prime contractor before you leave to make your own company and start exploiting the small business BS that is required for many large contracts by making easy stuff for cash and having that pay off your bigger projects.

I know the average normie thinks west coast does software or tech well, but it really doesn't and hasn't since the 80s maybe. Practically every research paper of note we're seeing too is either from Europe, China, or the US midwest and northeast coast. If it's some new tech worth integrating, it's the same thing.

>>81565539
https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/15/the-u-s-navy-is-more-aggressively-telling-startups-we-want-you/

>>81565566
I work in this field and am telling you first hand from IRAD experience but damn I guess you're right I was wrong and am a nigger. You're right anon I won't argue with you anymore. If Connie Loizos says so I guess she's right. Whatever you were thinking, I was wrong. Don't try to get a job at a prime contractor to start off, just make your own company.

>>81563189 (OP)
with ai, they could use their coding knowledge to build something with ai and start their own business

>>81564855
How do you think it came to be that it's random half battered countries like Iran or Russia developing new missile tech while melting pots and most Asians are scratching their balls or rebranding old shit?
Third worlders and chinks cheat at everything and bring the whole school system down with them.

>>81565630
Are you implying that the author has fudged some of the details in the name of sensationalism, or are you not being sardonic?

>>81565774
The Opium War only happened because China was more technologically advanced compared to Europe, and Europe had nothing China wanted to buy. The British triangle trade changed all that

>>81563223
Except with the trades there will always be work and you can be your own boss. The only way they are going away is if people stop being lazy and learn to do things themselves.

>>81565774
>How do you think it came to be that it's random half battered countries like Iran or Russia developing new missile tech
they aren't developing anything new lol, they're just catching up to everyone else from stealing secrets

>>81563315
If you work a real job you know people only care if you can achiev the end result, the process doesn't matter

>>81564982
It is, vpns mean it'd be stupid for a business to hire American coders most of the time.

Where the fuck do you get a career these days. Or is everything truly this busted

>>81566097
Be brown. I am a happa and always put in white and wondered why no one accepted me. I started putting in Asian and got replies, now I go with [Other / BIPOC] and it works wonders.

>>81566097
There are plenty of viable careers and schooling is well worth it for most fields.

>>81565539
>Because we are looking for fresh graduates
I'm glad FAANG doesn't care about degree scam. Self-taught making 450k.

>>81565852
Bongs started the opium wars because some jew couldn't make a profit from drugs anymore.
>>81565894
Yank hypersonics in two more weeks, am I right?

>>81563189 (OP)
Stemcels deserve it

>>81565853
Your labor can and will still be devalued by saturation.

>>81563189 (OP)
I've been programming for a living for the past 15 years.
Most of the other engineers in my department were laid off recently but I survived the latest reorg.
I can't imagine trying to find work if I graduated now instead of in 2009. Things were bad when I graduated because of the subprime lending crash but nowhere close to as bad as things are now.

>>81563189 (OP)
I'm a contrarian so I'm about to learn to code.

>>81563189 (OP)
>twice art history's 3%
How many of those are working in museums or whatever as opposed to working at whatever random bullshit job they could find?

there are no niches anymore
you can't just focus on yourself and care about doing a good job
you have to compete for everything or you'll be left behind
and everything is framed in terms of transactional self-interest so it's been completely normalized

>>81567587
also how many of the unemployed CS majors are fucking useless retards trying to work in a field where those are very easily sussed out?

covid. doesnt matter if it was real or not, but what happened in 2020? the entire fucking world went on lockdown, had to stay inside, and got really fucking bored. so, literally TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE all started to learn to code at the same time. genius, right? stuck inside, nothing to do, cept what you can do at a computer....fun, a hobby, might get you a job!
except EVERYBODY DID THIS AT THE SAME TIME. this was obvious, 6 months into the pandemic. at the year and a half point you should of known this even if you were in a diabetic coma the entire time.

at the year point my brothernlaw decided to get into computer security or something, and he tells us "every single class/course/school/online program is completely full, with wait lists".

like yeah motherfucker, thats whose going to be competing with you for the same jobs. its ALREADY GOT A WAITING LINE. AT THE START. WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING TO FIND AT THE END

Code-niggers get no sympathy for me because it was only 3 years ago they were online bragging about doing nothing at work all day while making six figures.

They were also the most whiney crybabies cunts when WFH ended and they were screaming on all corners of the internet about it, I couldn't browse r/redscare without the most spoiled cunt imaginable in a comfortable white collar position whining about having to actually go to work.

Has everyone forgotten the early 2020s when they were smugly implying they'd the only employed people lording over everyone else due to automation? You can easily find posts from back then implying they're a superior breed of person.

I don't even think the job market is that bad for them. I wouldn't be surprised if tech workers are just doing their usual whinge.

>>81563189 (OP)
Dunno it worked for me
>>81567990
You forgot to mention the actual relevant part, way too many tech corps companies doubled in size during that period i hopes everything will be online and that the pandemic would last at least a decade. now they slowly lay off the excess while blaming everything on ai

>>81568088
>>81567990
Don't forget wagecucks having to work 8 hour shifts muzzled with a mask got ragebaited with "Day in the life of a Twitter employee" videos. There was a perception at the time, which was somewhat exaggerated but had a grain of truth, that these people get to fuck around all day and get paid so much more.

Like of course many of these people would retrain immediately to become part of that class.