Why do zoomers flip their lid over small age gaps

It's the culmination of the retarded sociology of "power imbalances" in relationships being taken to increasing extremes. Soon we will not be allowed to have relationships with those with differences in IQ, financial situation, race - hell, women are supposedly oppressed by the patriarchy so the logical conclusion of power dynamics retardation is that a man ever having sex with a woman is always literally rape. It's retarded if you think about it for more than five seconds.

>>81564724 (OP)
What is this here expression trying to convey?

>>81564724 (OP)
why has been this talking point so astroturfed in manosphere (hate using this gay term) communities

>>81564724 (OP)
Because they were all groomed by pedochad as teenagers.

>>81564724 (OP)
UnderageB& posts are like 99% angsty little girls unironically. They find out what irks men the most and because of theire inability to get laid at 14 spread irritating nonsense online like wildfire. Solemn truths learned late in life.

>>81564724 (OP)
because they're young enough that even small age gaps are a big deal due to the pace at which people develop physically/mentally

dude just don't date high schoolers unless she's a girl in your class. it's not some weird thing, just wait for them to graduate first.

When we were 12 my best friend was dating a 19yo who moved into his bedroom in his mom's house with him, no one seemed to have a problem with it somehow.
She was also retarded and only watched preschool tv.

>>81564874
Hmmm, no. I think it's okay for a 17 and a 20 year old to date.

>>81564874
And the birth rate plummets even faster

>>81564724 (OP)
As a millennial I don't get it. When I was younger it was pretty common to see a 16 with a 19 year old.

>dude you're 19 break up with your 17 year old underclassmen she's still in high school.
Hmmmm, no!
>but the brain dev-
No.
>she's still taking the bu-
No.
>come on you're being weir-
Nope.

>>81564724 (OP)
Hell if I know, maybe all the horny kids that I rejected found somebody deranged enough or maybe they didn't and now they're seething.

>>81564894
also a millenial and i remember the types of 19 year olds that would date 16 year olds, and the types of 16 year olds that were dating 19 year olds.

the guys were always scumbags in a myriad of other ways, and the girls were always coming from some kind of shitty home situation and were borderline retarded.. it was not a good look.

>>81564724 (OP)
>An adult fucking a minor is totally the same thing as a 30 year old adult dating a 27 year old adult
Just more regressive liberal moralistic ideology. You'd think these were conservatives from the 50s but these aren't, these are moral policing lefties. They'll go to lengths to try and "discredit" age gaps by making wild arguments. Somehow a 25 year old is less able to decide for themselves if she wants to fuck a rich and famous movie star because he's 50 and the "power imbalance" of him being rich and famous while she's a lowly peasant with no autonomy or say in who she fucks

>>81564894
They don't want young fertile people breeding. Norman young relationships are illegal now.

>>81564921
It's always the case they remove agency from the woman in these equations with absolute irony of promoting feminism on the other hand.

Adult women get to choose with whom they want to be and their decision-making ability doesn't get completely removed due to the age being X gap instead of Y gap.

>>81564921
>a 19 year old is a "grown ass adult" compared to a 16 year old
Does anyone believe this outside of 19 year olds who try really hard to be perceived as adult and mature? It's not like you have no mental capacity before 18 and then max capacity at 18.

>>81564882
I just think it's a clearer line to say girls in high school are off limits, instead of saying some girls in high school are off limits and some girls in high school aren't.

>>81564891
You don't need to be knocking up 15 year olds like they did before the industrial revolution to save the birth rate. The problem isn't teenagers not having kids, it's women getting past 30 without becoming mothers. We can afford to let kids be kids until they're 18, society will survive.

>>81564961
So a 16/17 year old who graduated is fine? It's totally arbitrary too.

>>81564894
as a late millenial, I feel that this crap came with the LGBT craze bc those creepy groomer clubs project their perversion onto everyone else

>>81564891
>guys can't take advantage of young teens anymore! can we all just think of the birth rates!!

>>81564921
keep in mind the age bracket being discussed is early teens to mid 20s. a 25 year old is more capable of making a decision like that than some 15 year olds

>>81564919
>it was not a good look
You're that type of millennial alright. 16/19 is perfectly fine and not even in the conversation for predatory.

>>81564998
It's a retard zoomer who thinks they're a millennial

>>81564998
>not even in the conversation for predatory

have you heard of statutory rape?

>>81564940
It makes zero sense how it is under the guise of being "pro women" yet they fail to see how they're arguing against women having the choice to decide for themselves who they want to fuck, arguing for less autonomy. I'm sorry but is a 25 year old woman incapable of making that decision for herself just because the man is 5, 10, 15 years older?
>>81564945
Take it up with the law. In the day to day there is virtually little to no difference between a 17 year old and a 19 year old, but the law says 17 is a minor even if they're 17 years, 11 months, 3 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds old while an 18 year old who just turned 18 a minute ago is now an "adult" who can go to prison for life, join the military and die, yet can't buy a cigarette or a damn light beer until they're 21. The prefrontal cortex doesnt fully develop until 25 but you still can have some sort of logic going on upstairs unless you're a dumbass

>>81564724 (OP)
It's pretty funny. In the grand scheme of things zoomers are children with no life experience or perspective on life. An age gap of 3 years is basic bitch "it's fucking nothing" when you look at the average lifespan of humans at 80 years.

To them, an age gap of just 3 years is 15-20% of their life. Which is still small. But they automatically assume that's a huge gap. If they get married then when they are 30 y/o and 27 /yo that becomes only a 10% difference in lifetime. I know women aren't good with numbers and percentages but that's trivial.

Zoomers are brain rotted retards that get into hysterics over nothing. They're completely overly feminized. Who the fuck cares about those age gaps when it was completely normal and non-harmful for human history. It's okay little zoomers, things will be alright.

>>81564749
>I a proud victim of soft-eugenics

>>81565028
I find it funny zoomers worship drug dealers and murderers but freak out over this

>>81565015
In most states a statutory rape charge of a 19 year old with a 16 year old would be thrown out of court or non-existent, because 16 is the age of consent and in the states that aren't, even they realize that isn't a big deal at all. You're confidently wrong about this.

Also, just because the law says something doesn't mean it's inherently bad.

>>81565018
Brain 25 is also a myth.

>>81565040
i find it funny you guys freak out over "groomers" but then argue for 25+ year olds dating teenagers.

>>81565046
I'm not a conservative so you're aiming at the wrong target, chum.

>>81564882
Like honesty, are people going to die if two consenting grown ups choose to date each other. I don't get what the hysteria is about. It's not illegal and it's completely harmless. It's actually more harmful to keep two loving, consenting grown-ups in a healthy relationship separated because of another person's irrational hang ups. Pussified generation.

>>81565041
https://lawstuffexplained.com/can-a-19-year-old-date-a-16-year-old/

its a gray area

I've noticed that about Zoomers and Gen Alpha myself. They hate anything to do with age gaps. It's weird as fuck. They also infantalise women. They'll say an 18 year old woman and a 23 year old man dating is bad because the man is a pedo or something strange. And they'll say 18 years old is still a child (???). Zoomers and Gen A are just brainrotted to the max. They have no critical thinking skills or anything due to being brought up on the internet.

>>81564961
>The problem isn't teenagers not having kids, it's women getting past 30 without becoming mothers. We can afford to let kids be kids until they're 18, society will survive.
The main problem is the welfare and pension system can't cope with an aging population. End it and birthrates suddenly don't matter much anymore.

Anyway, women in fact do not need to rush into having children. Realistically a woman can still pop out a bunch of kids if she starts at like 31 lol. The "issue" (if you think lower birthrates are an issue, which I guess is fair since reproducing is the defining characteristic of a successful organism and not wanting to reproduce is sign of mental illness) is that women reach 30 and keep on behaving as if they were in their 20s or teens. Just directionless living in the moment not really thinking about the future. Then they reach 40 and realize having children is now a big challenge.

As for the topic at hand, girls can consent the moment they want sexo (so, when they hit puberty). The moralfagging won't stop them from masturbating or (in the case of sluttier girls) seeking out guys to bang lol. And there's nothing wrong with an older guy having a consensual relationship with a teenager.

/schizopost end

>>81564992
>A 25 year old is more capable of making a decision like that than some 15 year olds
The average 25 year old to 15 year old? I'd agree. There are outliers but if we're going by the average then it'd be wrong since a 25 year old has more life experience, has a more developed understanding of it all, a 15 year old is still a kid. A 40 year old would say the same about a 25 year old, but in reality they're still adults at different stages. The zoomer brain logic is that all age gaps are wrong just because an 18 year old fucking a 10 year old would be literal pedophilia, so if a 20 year old wants to fuck a 28 year old then because 8 years ago that 20 year old would have been 12 and he would have been 20, it is pedophilia. It never ends either because somehow, an adult is less of an adult because at one point they weren't. Make it make sense. >>81565041
>Brain 25 is a myth
Would you agree that the average 15 year old and 25 year old have differently developed brains? If 25 is not the hard cut off point, a person and their brain, their understanding, grow over time and develop more over time? Significantly enough to where there is a noticable difference from a certain stage in their life to, say, 10 years later?

>>81565040
They try to act hard and tough emulating gangbangers that sell drugs, do drive-bys and burglaries, and pimp hoes. Then a consenting couple comes along and they lose their shit.

Zoomers have yet to make a single argument about why consenting adult couples are a bad thing because they weren't born the same year. It's all irrational hysteria. They think they know it all despite being in their teens and 20s. Like you aren't shit, bitch. You're still a youngin and don't understand just how trivial a few years is.

People in their 30s and up view a few years as a blip in their life span. It comes and goes quick. Truth is you never stop learning and gaining life experience. And people develop at different rates and hit different peaks. It's just irrational to expect people to couple up by exact levels of unquantifiable life experience. If one partner has more life experience then that should be a good thing. They are more mature and can help the other partner. Zoomers need to be mocked and verbally bitch slapped around until they get it through their thick fucking skulls that no one gives a shit about age gaps.

>>81565104
>Would you agree that the average 15 year old and 25 year old have differently developed brains?
In terms of capacity, no. Not significantly. I guarantee I've done my research on this subject more than most people who try to engage with it from some philosophical angle. I'm just very tired of people trying to justify "18" as some end-all be all age (or worse, 21/25) when there's no scientific basis towards any of them to the point where people act like 16/19 is super weird but 18/40 on 4chan is fine and dandy because you've had it drilled into your head from birth.

Read Empirical Introduction to Youth.

>>81565143
>In terms of capacity, no.
What exactly do you mean by that?
Although getting older doesn't increase your iq, I think age is similar to iq in that a difference of 20 points could vastly change the way one absorbs a concept, understands it, and is better able to grasp its function and apply it.
I'm not a zoomer that believes "omg, 21 and 18, literally a groomer pedophile". It doesn't matter what I believe if the law says 18 is an adult. Age gaps can be a bit weird if the person is 20 and the other person is 70 but something being a bit weird isn't necessarily a crime or any of my business.

>>81565143
>I'm just very tired of people trying to justify "18" as some end-all be all age

Lines have to be drawn somewhere. 18 is just where it was drawn legally so that is what sticks in our moral conscience.

>In terms of capacity, no. Not significantly.

That's just laughable.

> I guarantee I've done my research on this subject

I'm sure you're quite the researcher.

>>81565203
>>81565203
In terms of actual brain capacity, problem solving, ability to understand the world, etc. It's not significantly different at all. In terms of wisdom, it varies. With age does come more experience and wisdom, yes, but But I think teenagers being "innocent children" is a falsehood.

>>81565221
You can be smarmy and condescending about it while you chug down a smug cup of coffee, but in terms of raw cognitive capacity, no, there isn't a significant difference in functioning.

https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.neuron.2016.10.059
>"In the neurodevelopmental literature, a given neural measurement is typically interpreted as mature when it matches (to a sufficient degree) an "adult" reference. [...] However, structural development continues to progress for a surprisingly long time. One especially large study showed that for several brain regions, structural growth curves had not plateaued even by the age of 30, the oldest age in their sample (Tamnes et al., 2010; see Figure 1B). [...] Other work focused on structural brain measures through adulthood show progressive volumetric changes from ages 15-90 that never "level off" and instead changed constantly throughout the adult phase of life (Walhovd et al., 2005). [...] it is unclear whether there is even a steady set-point at all."

Adler, N.E., & Matthews, K. (1994). "Health Psychology: Why do Some People Get Sick and Some Stay Well?," Annual Review of Psychology, 45, 229-259.
"However, empirical tests show that adolescents are no less rational than adults. Applications of rational models to adolescent decision-making show that adolescents are consistent in their reasoning and behavior after the salient set of beliefs is assessed (Adler et al 1990). Quadrel et al (1993) demonstrated that adolescents are no more biased in their estimates of vulnerability to adverse health outcomes than are their parents."

>>81565015
2 or 3 years apart doesn't count automatically.

>>81565257
>However, structural development continues to progress for a surprisingly long time.

Tell me how a 15 year old and 25 year old have the same capacity when the 25 year old has 10 more years of brain development under their belt.

>>81564894
I was born in the 80s and regularly saw 40+ guys boning teen girls.

>>81565341
By wasting another 10 years at the retard farm.

>>81565341
Continues to progress for a long time doesn't mean the 15 year old is incapable/super underdeveloped. By this logic we should raise the age of consent to 90 because gray matter is still pruning technically even though in terms of function, 15 is demonstrably mature in terms of capacity.

>>81564874
Kill yourself zoomer
>>81564880
Holy shit thats hot

>>81564891
Banging teen girls is awesome but its not because of the fucking birth rate, you pathetic cringecel

>>81564865
When I was 27 I used to fuck a high school senior. I came inside of her ass one morning before she drove to school. Imagine that, zoomer. Some of your girl classmates are sitting next to you in class with millennial cumloads inside their rectum.

>>81565410
If you want to say that the 15 year old and 25 year old are equal in terms of capacity then they would have to be starting from some common 0 point... but the reality is and what your source says is that the 25 year old would have had 10 years of brain development over the 15 year old. They are not starting at some common point.

The Romer quote in your pic "Instead, it is argued that lack of experience with novel adult behavior poses a much greater risk to adolescents than structrual deficits in brain maturation"

So even if you want to say that their capacity is the same their lack of experience with adult behavior is different. The 25 year old would be more equipped to deal with adult behavior than the 15 year old. Which should just be common sense. And gets to the heart of why age gap relationships for a young population (young teens to mid 20's) is a big deal.

>>81564961
> You dont need to be knocking up 15 year olds like they did before the industrial revolution to save the birth rate.

Correct. We need to be doing it because theyre hot and wet

>>81565597
>unironically she was 25 you sick fuck-posting
I don't think certain ages having certain experiences is a hard rule and I also don't think age gaps stop being noticeable or significant just because the younger party is 30. I just also don't think they're predatory as long as they understand consent. Differences in life experience does not mean two people cannot love each other or have a healthy relationship. At 15 you aren't starting at zero in terms of crystallized knowledge. I also don't think the difference between 18 and 25 is enough to say "25 is the real adulty adult age" because most people older than that definitely felt they kept maturing and the social day to day of an 18 and 25 year old can often be very similar. Someone in another thread tried to say "idk that one's messed up, it's contentious" but I'm not selling for that shit here. This isn't twitter.

>>81564724 (OP)
>Why do zoomers flip their lid over small age gaps
Weird innit

>>81564760
Pedos have tried for decades to annex themselves into a bigger movement in order to gain more legitimacy. Never works for obvious reasons

>>81565649
I was going to write out a whole long post but I really think you should just look at Romers idea of "novel adult behavior" to adolescents and reflect on the types of experiences that an 18 year old has vs a 25 year old in todays society... where they are generally at in their lives, what their goals are going to be for the next few years... etc. Also just think about what would even bring a 25 year old in contact with someone just out of HS in the context where they would be building pursuing a relationship. It's just not very common and would have to be sought out. We live in a society that largely frowns upon that type of age gap as it is... so by default that says something about the type of people pursuing them.

also i don't understand your greentext to me.

>>81566158
Not that anon but you do realize the internet exists, right?
WHat if they met in an online game, or in an anime focused discord server or whatever

Its just americunts who lose their shit over a small age gap. The rest of the world doesnt give a fuck. I had plenty of 16 year old classmates who dated a 19 year old guy. Its so common that women date slightly older guys.

>>81564724 (OP)
>Why do zoomers flip their lid over small age gaps
I'm literally a pedophile though

Zoomers are a little weird and not used to dealing with people more than 1 year younger or older than them. Generations before them had friend groups of people of all ages and it wasn't unusual for a girl to date someone 10+ years older than her, and no one batted an eye at that. The "half her age plus seven" rule was the rule of thumb, but I bet zoomers have never even heard of that.

My wife is so based. She's ten years my junior (she's 25 now), but keeps saying she wishes she met me ten years ago.

>>81566158
This is where I start to tune out of age gap discourse, when it gets to the non-existent hypotheticals part where it imagines every 18 year old is a infantilized child and a 25 year old has a 6 figure job with a bachelor or master's degree when neither are the average in reality. Most 25 year olds are fucking broke or working an average job. They don't have this magical POWER over an 18 year old.

>Also just think about what would even bring a 25 year old in contact with someone just out of HS in the context where they would be building pursuing a relationship
How about a fucking job, or university, or through meeing at a random place? Online, there are countless ways which this can form.

This is so fucking trivial of an age gap to be complaining about to act like they could never have nothing in common or that one is way too young/adult for the other. It's silly and it reads like someone who thinks every age up to 25 (maybe more) is completing a Pokemon evolution of brain maturity, rather than having already reached adulthood and every moment simply being small refinements of the brain.

I've actually had experiences with similar age gaps and they went off without a hitch. Ignoring your advice and not being overly hesitant over the age has made my life a lot EASIER and less pointlessly stressful. People like you are decidedly less helpful and I've been a lot happier in life when I blocked overly sociallized people like you out of it.

>We live in a society that largely frowns upon that type of age gap as it is... so by default that says something about the type of people pursuing them.
So you just conform because you're told to? For no other reason? And you want people to heed your terrible advice?

>>81564724 (OP)
Height gap is way more problematic than age gap. If a woman wants a guy who is significantly taller than her she is supporting and promoting pedophilia. Literally the only reason why a 5'2 woman would want a +6'0 guy is pedophilia and her wanting to have a father figure she can have sex with while she puts herself in a position of a child. Literal mental illness and looking for a guy who prefers this type of height difference and "roleplay". Why would you as a woman want to look like your boyfriend picked you up from an elementary school? You sick fucks. Height gaps should be waaaay more problematic than age gap and it has to go "viral".

>>81564724 (OP)
This will backfire, every shit my generation does usually goes against their own best interest

I find the '25' thing weird in particular because in my experience because they seem to be talking more about people who are THIRTY five. It feels like the people giving the age gap advice have no idea what being 25 is like. Or 18 either.

>>81567546
By that I want to say that this is going to end up with the worst results
> Endless questioning what even is an adult
> Undermining of adults choices
> moral hunting of infidels of woke ideas
> Making it anti-woke to date an 80 year old or aggressive gold digging
> effectively normalizing real pedophilia because a 30 yo adult is called a pedo for dating a 20yo adult

I go by if a couple looks good together, for example Jeffrey Dean Morgan is a great deal older than his girlfriend but they look good together.

These attempts to change society always ruin more than they do good, leave adult people alone

>>81564724 (OP)
>Why do zoomers flip their lid over small age gaps
The hatred surrounding age gaps is entirely rooted in the belief that equality in status is something that should be pursued.
Age gaps imply a power imbalance in favor of the older party, as they have more time to acquire experience and develop their minds. This power imbalance negates the alleged equality that would otherwise be in place.

But we are not equal, and we never were equal. Sexual dimorphism is obvious and observable.
Women were born to be subordinate to men, and men were born in to be subordinate to men of higher status. Age gap relationships just make this fundamental difference clearer, and the f*minist hates this.
It was only until we started trying to give everyone the ability to vote that lies to the contrary came about.
Zoomers are the youngest adult generation and they have therefore been golemized by these f*minist lies the most.
They do not acknowledge the many judicial power imbalances in favor of women in both divorce and domestic disputes. They do not acknowledge schools and mass media grooming our youth of both sexes from birth.
They are fundamentally frame broken by the aforementioned belief in equality, and any discussion with them about these prior two oversights is pointless, because on their own they would imply you think these things are keeping them from this mythical equality.

>>81565046
We dislike tranny faggots but endorse straight relationships? Go figure.
Riveting contradiction you just found there, Socrates.

>>81564724 (OP)
They want to pretend they're, like, SOOOO mature compared to those 16 year old children.
Unfortunately, 16-19 really is about as mature as most people ever get.
In their 30s, their material conditions may change so they have more at risk and make more careful decisions, but they're no better (or worse) at thinking things through than they were half a lifetime ago.

>>81564724 (OP)
Because it's the main way men can get an advantage in sexual relationships nowadays.
More needs to be said as to why it became so popular.
The first reason is the paucity of socially acceptable groups to hate. Every society has its outcasts. In the modern occident, there is only one such sizeable group: paedophiles. Since the function of these rituals is not literally about groups, but taboos, you can twist the logic. It doesn't matter that being attracted to 17-year olds is not paedophilia.
Secondly, I will offer something in the way of an apology, as the preaching to the choir is annoying. Maybe you disagree with these values, but at least understand these are also humanistic concerns. Starting in the late 19th century, the occident became very concerned with sexual harm, to the point that it outpaced the value of purity. Following that, feminism gained traction, demanding that women receive (some of) the privileges of men. One of the nascent privileges of the 20th century is the right to a middle class life. To have financial independence, you need your own source of income. This came at the right time as two huge global conflicts, which spurred the entry of women into the labour force. Nonetheless, cultural pushback against this remained. There is perhaps no greater symbol against this way of life than the pregnant teenager. It also helped that at this time, the occident started realising that what it considers sexual abuse is widespread. It made its mission to bring it to a minimum, and this it did. However, these kinds of relationships never completely, and cannot end. What concurrently went on since 2007 is more job insecurity, less social mobility, and so on. Another factor is the ballooning of student debt. When you have no material reasons, you switch to the psychological.

>>81564746
No we already decided eugenics is bad
But yes, many radical feminists say heterosexual sex under patriarchy is rape.

>>81564749
Contempt

>>81564766
Yep

>>81564724 (OP)
And then they wonder why all the guys would rather date and fuck chinks instead

>>81567853
>>81567597
> Endless questioning what even is an adult
This will not happen, because you misunderstand the logic actually driving the sentiment. It's about the level of the ability to be financially independent- in the normal occidental stages of life, there is a clear cutoff at the end of either high school or college.

> Making it anti-woke to date an 80 year old or aggressive gold digging
That is the goal, not an unexpected consequence.

The other points are valid concerns, no matter what one thinks.

>>81567955
>This will not happen
Seen it with 27/32 and 50k likes on twitter
>It's about the level of the ability to be financially independent
Guess that means most people under 40 now are off-limts

idk I keep ageing and id still probably fuck an 18 year old lol (i am 24) idk why fellow zoomers blow a lid over this

>>81568000
>Seen it with 27/32 and 50k likes on twitter
I'm not saying noone said it, just that it will (most likely) have no cultural sway.

>Guess that means most people under 40 now are off-limts
No, because it's about social roles, not primarily economic stats. If we went by the latter, it would really be 45-60. By social role, after you finish your high school or your college in the west, you have passed the rite of adulthood, and are considered to be on your own financially.

>>81567955
>That is the goal, not an unexpected consequence.
To whomsts benefit? The people who control society can simply get themselves endless sugarbabes of which there are now more than ever before.

>>81564724 (OP)
This person is some NPC loser who has no effect on anything and doesn't believe anything that she says because nothing that she says matters because she's a nobody.

>>81564919
kek this they were usually both shitty people

>>81564724 (OP)
foid jealousy, that's it. Women don't like being mogged, they hate it even more than men. If a woman has to compete with a younger, softer, more vibrant girl, it shows that she isn't all that, it lowers her sexual market value. Women in the west rule because we are a gynocracy, ergo they have shaped societal values to fit their own needs.
>>81564874
>just wait
And then they move on and you miss out on potentially being with the love of your life. Or you wait and people think you are creepy because you waited for a girl since she was 16 anyway. You can't win.

Also lets not even factor in the historically held knowledge that girls are generally about two years ahead of boys in maturity and that girls were considered adult at 14 and boys at 16 centuries ago, and that xenoestrogens mean that girls mature even faster and boys even slower these days, so that age gaps of two to three years between an older boy and a younger girl basically mean nothing anyway.

Fuck it, I'm not getting drawn into this. I've been seeing this argument happen since I was 16 and I am now 26. I literally fucked a hot 30-something when I was 17 and to this day it was one of the greatest flings of my life, and yes it was completely legal because the age of consent is 16 where I am. Whatever. Gen alpha will probably think that age gaps measured in months are too much. We are in an age of absurd moral purity and I really have no idea why