Why are natalist like this?

>>81584111 (OP)
would you enjoy living in extreme poverty?

So we should raise kids in a tent under an overpass?

>>81584111 (OP)
Everyone really forgot that birth control didn't exist for 99.9% of human history. One of the reasons there were so many children back then was because women did not have a choice in the matter. Turns out that lots of bitches stop getting preggo as soon as they gain the ability to.

>>81584111 (OP)
Poorfags shouldn't have kids. Poorfaggotry fucking sucks and unless you are extremely talented/lucky/attractive you're doomed to be just as much of a miserable poorfag as your parents. Poorfags only exist to serve as a cheap wagie for shit tier work, a consumer and a debt slate, all of which is done solely for (((their))) advantage.
t. child of poorfags

>>81584160
Past a certain point poverty is a choice, that's on you.

>>81584117
According to him, yes!

>>81584111 (OP)
Antinatalists see poor people and be like
>ew. These people clearly shouldn't exist.

>>81584175
Maybe 50 years ago, before boomers and Jews pulled up the social mobility ladder so they could loot the country

>>81584196
And then they tell you THEY'RE the compassionate ones.

>>81584196
no i think its more like
>wow i wonder how these people feel about the fact they were raised into an objectively bad life against their will

>>81584196
Its more like I don't want to be them or my kids to live like that.

>>81584207
>WAAAAAAAAAAAH I HAVE TO FACE HARDSHIP WAAAAAAAAAAH MY LIFE AND EVERYONE ELSE'S IS EXACTLY LIKE THIS CHERRY PICKED EXAMPLE WAAAAAAH

>>81584215
what? i replied to someone using poor people as an example, i was just using the same example. if you are happy about being alive then that's great you were brought into the world. if you aren't happy about being alive then that kinda sucks and it is objectively unfair that you were brought into the world without your consent. there is no reason you have to be thankful about life and have to view it as some sort of perfect gift, it is the selfish desire of all living things to reproduce.

I've noticed that its mostly white people trying to outbreed browns. What they forget is that careful planning surrounding childbirth is a byproduct of intelligence, its a sign of being able to think ahead and what separates them from the foreigners who breed like rabbits.

Overall its really just desperation on their part. They can't dismantle the systems that are contributing to declining birthrates, so they resort to shaming like >>81584215 . The ship is going down and they can't accept it because they've already invested so much.

>>81584233
>it is objectively unfair that you were brought into the world without your consent
How the fuck can you consent to something before possessing the ability to consent, you fucking moron? This is exactly the type of ontological retardation anti-natalists have zero fucking response to. It is not objectively unfair, there is no such thing as parity in anything in the first place. Fairness doesn't exist.

>>81584111 (OP)
I wanna live like that. Some dugout or homemade cabin in the woods. Hunting, fishing. No contact with civilisation. I wish i grew up like that. I didn't. But my children will. I just have to find a woman antisocial eniugh to go with me.

>>81584258
lmao are you kidding? that is exactly why its so unfair, you have no way of even knowing what you're about to be dragged into against your will. it is indeed objectively unfair because one party has absolutely no power over the situation. insulting logic and then saying fairness as a concept doesn't even exist, kek. feel free to keep bringing children into the world but do not fool yourself into thinking it is fair and automatically righteous.

>>81584258
>How the fuck can you consent to something before possessing the ability to consent, you fucking moron?
That's precisely their point you bumbling retard. Holy shit the fact that people like you get the right to vote is daunting.

>>81584268
This is how flowers in the attic type of shit happens

>>81584253
Thirdies/brownoids breed like rabbits because we subsidize it. If we stopped providing gibs just for shitting out babies they cannot afford they would stop or they would starve in a gutter. Either way the explosive population growth of irresponsible retards is resolved. As a nice bonus it would result in a smaller tax burden on net positive taxpayers (mostly whites) so responsible people would have more kids. But the (((humanitarians))) will keep us all taxed to death so (((their))) precious minority pets can keep irresponsibly breeding.

>>81584291
Flowers in the attic? Care to elaborate?

>>81584111 (OP)

What if these "human beings" just don't have souls and are following their NPC programming to fill the world with backdrop people? More like human doing than human being to me. Kinda scary when you realize so many don't have an inner monologue.

>>81584306
Your children are going to become incestuous or just plain in general weirdos from the lack of socialisation and contact with society

In the book "flowers in the attic" the children who are kept away from society in the attic become incestuous during puberty because they are only around and only know eachother

>>81584341
And? That sound good. Antisocial weirdos are better than normies, and if my son and my daughter are in love, i'll allow it. Love is love.

>>81584201
only takes on generation in europe in current day and age to build generational wealth so your offspring does not need to wage ever in their lives
it really is this simple
its insane how easy life is but alas
everyone including you are retarded it seems
this is from minimum wage work btw

>>81584111 (OP)
Seems kinda comfy desu

>>81584639
especially since they spend all their free time just fucking
i would trade my life with theirs

>>81584308
Thinking in language is anti-enlightenment, a complete downgrade from the thoughtless purity of raw perception.

>>81584139
>If given the option, women will chose to make humanity go extinct
Why do we give them rights again?

>>81584116
its not about what you enjoy, its about doing whats right

>>81584843
living in extreme poverty is right? what are you even trying to say here, that you should be okay with being at the bottom of society? life is not worth living if you do not enjoy it.

>>81584111 (OP)
if you want children reduce the work week to 3 days and implement social programs,no right wingers will ever do this so they are left to bitching how its the culture and them feminists

>>81584207
>bad life
They lived in a niggerfree country

cool let me just build my own peat house
>uh sorry pal that doesnt meet code were going to have to take your kids and give them to this gay couple btw your son is trans and is a girl now he's a link to him spreading his 'bussy' on cam uh sorry nothing we can do that's jsut queer culture

>>81584111 (OP)
how is this not a photo from 500 ad? this is below africa tier. did they have leprosy or something?

>>81584214
Or at all, apparently.

>>81584894
Social programs are not necessary, but you are correct that capitalism has been corrupted into corporatism and the natural state of society in the modern era should be a 15 hour work week that can pay for a family of at least 5 on a single income.
Communism and socialism are not going to provide this. Neither is fascism. Neither is liberalism.
The cause of this issue is boomers voluntarily taking this system and working giga-overtime until their overtime became stamdard and expected, as well as inflation caused by federally controlled fiat currency with an emphasis on global gdp and causing inflation.

>>81584207
>wow i wonder how these people feel about the fact they were raised into an objectively bad life against their will
if they wanted to not exist, they'd kill themselves. which they have not done, indicating they appreciate existence even WITH all the poverty and suffering. and you want them gone anyway.

>>81584945
call it what you want rename it all you want untill we get these thing there wont be kids

>>81584111 (OP)
I'm not reproducing unless I have the same/greater opportunities than my parents (Boomers). That's the point of having children. To give them a better life than you had. If not for that, then fuck it not making more slave chattle for Mr. Shekelberg
>HURR INCEL CHUD NO WOMAN WANTS YOU! YOU NEED TO REPRODUCE NOAW!
Ok, fine with me then. Enjoy your civilization crumbling around you. Still not dying for Israel.

>>81584843
Who defines "right"? A Hebrew mystic writing in a scroll 2200 years ago? You?

>>81584947
humans are literally hardwired to be averse to pain. have you ever felt suicidal, i sure as hell have and im still here, not because i specifically want to be, but because my monkey brain is scared of pain and what it would feel like to die. it is much harder than people think to go through with suicide. you have no idea how they felt, neither do i, but inferring that because they're alive they are overall happy and truly thankful for being born is idiotic.
>and you want them gone anyway
nope literally never said that, i have no idea how you can even put words in my mouth when you literally greentexted everything i said

>>81584972
I don't think its possible societally for us to have a 15 hour work week and for the federal government to act as a surrogate father figure at the same time.
We need to move in a much more libertarian voluntary association direction.

>>81584111 (OP)
Yeah let's submit children to unimaginable suffering just to have children

>>81585071
they i dont think its possible to have kids sorry

>>81585090
>unimaginable suffering
Don't be dramatic. Kids are simple, all they really want are some potatoes, a bit of affection and a warm place to sleep at night. You don't need to be rich to provide those.

They weren't living in poverty. They owned their own house. They were debt free. Largely if not entirely food independent.
Meanwhile in America and Europe, over half of our money goes to taxes(don't pretend that income tax is the only tax). What do we get in return for slaving over half of our working life? We only get bad things we don't want, like random wars, immigrants, welfare leeches, criminals, corrupt politicians, anarchotyranny... In debt for car, in debt for housing, some people even buy food on credit.
The family in that picture is many times wealthier than the average westerner. Billions of times wealthier. Anything multiplied by zero is still zero. But most are worse off than net worth of zero. In fact, for many people having $0 is a life goal they think may be unattainable.
What good is wealth for kids anyway? Give them a knife and they're happy. Give them a ball and that's even better. Use the knife to make a chess set and a whole new universe opens up. Spend an afternoon at the creek looking for perfect rocks and now they can play Go. Kids are easy to raise and basically pay for themselves. Just take them on fishing and hunting trips. As long as you aren't a total piece of shit they will provide companionship and grandkids. You think they are impoverished, but you don't have kids because you can't afford them?

>>81585137
Once your kid gets to the age of like 8 they're going to think "what the fuck are we doing living in a literal ruptured wooden tent house? Why the fuck was I born? Fuck my life i want an ipad"

>>81585253
That's around the age puberty begins to kick in, from which point they can occupy themselves with love. Autistic cyberniggers nowadays don't know a damn thing about such good old fashioned organic living.

>>81585270
>puberty at 8
What the fuck are you talking about

>>81585275
look at dis nigga. Not even having morning wood at 8yrs old. Grim my nigga.

>>81585243
>peasants living in a mud hut are le... WEALTHIER!!! than you
lmao you trad fags are retarded

>>81585137
>Kids just want to be mud faced retards scavenging for potato scraps. That's a great life and they'll be all ready to meet the challenges of the modern world with a little love.

Third world thinking. Being a retard digging in the moss for turds isn't very satisfying if you have a three-digit IQ. There's no clawing your way out of that poverty, I don't care how hard you study. You're pretty much fucked for life if you grew up in a mud hut learning nothing. That's who you'll be until the day you die.

>>81585275
That is around the age when puberty hormones start being released. There are recorded cases of girls that age actually giving birth.

>>81585330
Look, all I said was that being poor is not "unimaginable suffering". In today's world of abundant wealth and resources we can easily provide opportunities for any child, regardless of how humble their background is.

>>81585333
Two cases ever of people 8 and under

>>81585288
I was erect at 3.
Very embarrassing until I grew more.

>>81584258
>How the fuck can you consent to something before possessing the ability to consent, you fucking moron?
Oh so it's okay to do somwthing to somebody before they're even able to consent? That sounds kinda sus, anon.

>>81585071
It absolutely is though.

>>81585306
Not denying the possibility I'm retarded.
I wonder if you are retarded. What is your net worth? Do you own a house? Do you even own a vehicle? Do you owe money for education or healthcare? How much of your food do, you produce yourself? How many kids do you have?
I suspect you are like me, more impoverished than the people in op's image.
If somehow you are not like me and are instead like the family in op image, do you bemoan owning a house, land, and freedom?

>>81585243
>They owned their own house.
>some random planks leaned against a dort mound
>house
Anon...

>Kids are simple, all they really want are some potatoes, a bit of affection and a warm place to sleep at night. You don't need to be rich to provide those.

There is no way people like this actually exist.

>>81584111 (OP)
yea no they are just stupid why would u birth a child into a literal shithole

>>81584607
>this is from minimum wage work btw
Yeah really believable

>>81584111 (OP)
>pls live in filth and produce more debt slaves so my ponzi scheme can continue

lel

>>81584111 (OP)
She's obviously an unwedded woman living with her mother. Who knows what she has gone through.

>>81584899
Pretty sure you don't need a permit to grow peat on your land but you probably won't be alive when it grows big enough to live in.